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In Defence of 3-5-2: Midfielders v Forwards

With a half of the season gone, it looks as if the 3-4-3 formation has prevailed this season. Glancing through the current Fantasy Premier League (FPL) leaders’ teams this formation is proving the most popular. It makes sense; forwards score goals and goals get the most points. But while this logic feels right, I thought I’d take a deeper look at the statistics to see how forwards really compare when up against their team mates in midfield.

Comparing Forwards and Midfielders

Lets start with a direct comparison: The top three forwards vs the top three midfielders over 20 games.

  • Top three midfielders – 358 points
  • Top three forwards – 301 points
  • 57-point difference.

Ok, so a 57 point gap. Could be a fluke. Top 10 maybe?

  • Top 10 midfielders – 1,018 points
  • Top 10 forwards – 871 points
  • 147-point difference
  • Top ten midfielders averaged 101.8 points over 20 games
  • Top ten forwards averaged 87.1 points over 20 games.

As you can see, the top 10 midfielders show a 147-point increase in output compared to the top 10 forwards. Let’s take this one more step. We will give each team two forwards as an average. Obviously not all teams play with two, but between subs and a range of 1-3 on a given field, two sounds good. So, the top 40 forwards vs the top 40 midfielders in 20 games:

  • Top 40 midfielders – 2945 points
  • Top 40 forwards – 2394 points
  • 551-point difference
  • Top 40 midfielders averaged 73.6 points over 20 games
  • Top 40 forwards averaged 60 over 20 games.

As you can see, the top 40 midfielders averaged 73.6 over the first half of the season while the top 40 forwards averaged 60 points in the first half. That means the average top 40 midfielder is outscoring the average top 40 forward by 13 points so far.

Analysis

So clearly midfielders overall are scoring more points but why are we afraid to field five of them? The easy answer is price, rotation and number. You cannot necessarily afford the best five midfielders all at once. We have a defence to bear in mind as well. Nor will you always have players that align with the averages. If I own Harry Kane and George Boyd due to pricing restraints, I am going to play Kane over Boyd. Lastly, I don’t need a lot of forwards, I need three. While midfielders might score more points this season, I only need the best three forwards who could technically wind up even or better then the top midfielders. The other 37 can do whatever they want. Though the biggest reason might be simply leaving points on the bench. Nothing eats at our soul like a forward scoring in a benched position, such as Kane’s 18-point haul in Gameweek 20 at Chelsea.

However, this season has seen lower-priced midfield options flourish, coupled with lots of cheap, high-performing strikers. Essentially price is not an issue. With options available at all kinds of prices, there is less need for a player like Boyd as a sub. With players like Kane and Charlie Austin up front with Sergio Aguero and a budget backline, can currently field the following:

Alexis Sanchez, Eden Hazard, Sigurdsson, Nacir Chadli, Angle Di Maria

Harry Kane, Charlie Austin, Sergio Aguero

(This being the most expensive end, there are a lot of options available for cheaper. The aim here is simply to show you can have some of the best and most expensive if you want it.)

All of these midfielders can score while getting plenty of assists. The idea here is to maximize bonus points. Out of the top 12 bonus point earners this season, seven are midfielders. If their dominant performances continue, they could very easily pick up some huge differential points.

If you manage your team properly, the 3-5-2 option could really make the difference in the second half of the season. Don’t just assume you need a substitute midfielder; forwards might be the ones who need a break. What do you think?

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  1. J0E
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    • 14 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Great analysis. I currently have no idea which formation to go for in my wildcard, but this certainly puts forward a compelling argument for 3-5-2. Fab v Costa is key to this I think as they often both get points from the same goals - Fab the assister with bonus and Costa the scorer.

    1. Ruccells
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      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Thank you! And great point on the Fab/Costa conundrum. Costa does not pick up BP though. For two-ish million less, I can get Fab with the chance for more and invest that two somewhere else. More opportunities with Fab, where as Costa can only go down.

  2. foley_fd
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    2 questions please!

    1. If your rival has activated their wildcard, will it show when you view their squad as of now?

    2. Are ACON players' values dropping as per usual ownership trends, or are they frozen?

    1. Polaris - The Mortal Coil
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      1. It will say 'active' but you won't see it until the next deadline.

      2. Normal

      1. foley_fd
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Thanks - interesting that both my rivals have yet to activate.

        Rival number one has a particularly bruised squad, with Chambers, Toure, Bony, Bojan and Young!

    2. Wild Rover
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yes
      As normal

      1. foley_fd
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Thank you!

    3. OneTwo
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      1. Look under there Transfers and Finance: It will read will read Wildcard: Active or available
      2. I do not believe ACON player are protected

      1. foley_fd
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        It says available, so hasn't been activated then.

        Thank you!!

    4. mentoz
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      1) Yes, in the box called "Transfers and Finance", it will show under Wildcard either "Available" or "Active"
      2) They aren't frozen

      1. foley_fd
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Thank you!

    5. RedLightning
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      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      ACON players will have red flags, and should therefore require about 2.25 times as many net transfers out compared with the normal number before they fall.

      After they return from ACON, if their flag is cleared directly from red then they will be protected for about 8 days, but if their flag goes from red to yellow before being cleared then they will probably not be protected.

    6. RedLightning
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      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Also remember that price changes are currently slower than usual because of transfers made on wildcards not counting towards net transfers in or out.

  3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    For me, one thing pushes me towards 3-5-2

    Walcott, if he's fit and nailed on he's basically a 3rd forward, Sanchez arguably a 4th

    Plus bar Aguero no big strikers stand out to me

    1. Ruccells
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      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Exactly.

  4. Every Dog Has Its Day
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    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    This has just swayed me to have 5 mids 😮

    On the other hand
    Select one!

    A) Costa Johnson
    B) Fabregas Ings/Berahino

    I'm honestly stuck on who to pick. Sorted out my defence.

    1. _Freddo
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      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      B.

      Fabregas V Costa is no contest, with Aguero back you are unlikely to captain Costa especially of you own Hazard, makes him a very expensive pick while Fabregas is just as consistent and gets the extra clean sheet and goal points.

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
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        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers for the response. Yeah I am also currently leaning on B.

    2. J0E
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      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I'd wait on Berahino and Ings. Be aware Burnley have a terrible February schedule. I'd go for B but with Austin instead of Ings. Its a decision that is best made at the end of the month though.

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
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        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Thank you! I'll probably go for Ings. I've got rid of Austin as I think his time has faded.

        1. J0E
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          • 14 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Ings in a 3-5-2 would work. Do not do it in a 3-4-3 though. Those Feb fixtures are really bad.

  5. _Freddo
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    • 14 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    This is it, Kane and Austin have opened up the big midfield now, play one of them with 5 big midfielders and Aguero and it looks pretty strong and you could easily play both in a 343.

    1. Ruccells
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      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Exactly my point here. I really think people shy away from it due to the nagging pain of leaving a forward on the bench who scores points.

      1. _Freddo
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        • 14 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        It's a nice problem to have though and while he's scoring points the chances are his price will continue to rise.

        I'm playing both this week and whoever does better will get next week and so on, not sure Kane has become Superman all of a sudden to play every week, had him for 4 weeks now and he's been consistent, not sure people will get punished like last week too often.

        1. Ruccells
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          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          That's a good point. I think playing the long odds on the midfield will really help from a differential viewpoint as well. Could gain some serious ground on top table leaders.

          1. _Freddo
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            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            That's another thing, most will have Aguero, Costa and Kane upfront, those with a 5 man midfield will also have Kane and Aguero so it will be Costa V two big midfielders.

            That's an example obviously but worth considering.

            1. Ruccells
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              • 9 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              In that example, Hazard and Fab completely outshine.

  6. Just A Hat
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    3-5-2 is my favorite formation but since Kane is so ridiculously cheap it almost forces you to play 3-4-3 unless you are prepared a little extra for a 3rd striker (Austin, Ings etc.) and then having a benching headache each week.

    That, added with Boyd's good value at 4.5 is way I've stuck with the 3-4-3

    1. _Freddo
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      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Is Boyd really good value?

      He's just a glorified Barry Ferguson without the bonus points taking up a big slot, is the odd goal enough to sacrifice a potential high scoring slot?

      1. Just A Hat
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I think so, he has done well when I've needed him...I'm a big fan of Costa/Aguero and it's just silly not having Kane so I think I'm pretty set on the 3-4-3 for now...if Aguero was to have a setback though...

        1. _Freddo
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          • 14 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          That's fair enough, I guess it's one of those where your chosen formation dictates.

          I've had him all season but have just got rid as I want better flexibility and am looking at Kane as the enabler although he's a really strong one that I want to play.

    2. charliekiller
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Can I ask who is your 4-rd mid? Assuming that Hazard, Sanchez and Silva/Fab are the trio

      1. Ruccells
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        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Chadli and Sig are both great options

    3. RedLightning
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      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Kane being cheap does not prevent you from playing 3-5-2.

      If he's good enough to be your 2nd forward, then his cheapness is a big bonus, not a problem.

      But it may give you the flexibility to play 3-5-2 some weeks and 3-4-3 others.

  7. InterYaNan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Great post!!

    I have just looked at my ML and not one person currently playing 3 5 2!

    So im going for it on my WC, pick one midfielder 8.7 or below please...
    already have FAB / Haz / ADM / Chadli

    thanks in advance!

    1. Ruccells
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      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      With Bony out of a bit or permenently, Siggy is really going to step up. Consider him for 6.8

      1. Ruccells
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        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        *permanently

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Have you considered Johnson, Zaha or tadic?

  8. joe259
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    RMWCT

    Foster, Myhill
    Terry, PVA/Duff, Pieters/Taylor
    ADM, Sanchez, Chadli, Hazard, Boyd
    Costa, Aguero, Kane

    Is rotation gonna work with Pieters/Taylor and Duff/PVA?
    Is not having a southampton defender a wise decision?
    Thoughts on the team?

  9. Still Unsure
      9 years, 3 months ago

      WC options?

      A)
      ADM - Hazard - Boyd - Chadli - Sterling
      Kun - Kane - Costa

      B)
      ADM - Hazard - Boyd - Fab - Silva
      Kun - Kane - Austin

      1. Still Unsure
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'm on A I think, but maybe Chadli -> Siggy and Sterling -> Eriksen

      2. foley_fd
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Great article, but for me - those midfielders have to be excellent, otherwise it's not for me.

        I'd want 4 big hitters + Chadli / Siggi / Downing.

      3. The Man Pastore
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Sterling/Chadli + Giroud

        OR

        ADM + Ings

        1. Still Unsure
            9 years, 3 months ago

            B but only for the next 4 weeks.

        2. joe259
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          boyd + costa

          or

          fab + austin

          1. Ruccells
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Fab and Austin. Fab has bigger potential game to game especially in BP.

        3. DGW blindness is for Kinnea…
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Factor in Costas 10th YC as well. It's not far off

          1. RedLightning
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            • 13 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Nor is Fabregas's - they're both on 7.

        4. John t penguin
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Also if you do a search for forwards on transfer and start at 7.9 mill
          Only lukaku and bony make an appearance before you reach Rooney at 10.8
          There are one or two returning forwards in that area though but it still shows that unless you want to massive up top the money is there for five man mid

        5. rocrocodile
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          • 13 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I'm sold on the 3-5-2.

          Is this good to go for WC?

          Foster / 4.0
          Terry / Bertrand / Debuchy / Wisdom / Wasiliewski
          Haz / Fab / Silva / ADM / Siggy
          RvP / Kane / Ings

        6. The Banter Panther
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Need a few secs of your time to choose 1 of these bad boys to bench this GW:
          A-Sanchez
          B-Austin
          C-hazard
          D-Boyd
          E-Downing
          F-Silva

          1. Courto
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            D or E For me.

        7. Courto
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Interesting read. I've had Costa since GW1 but could be tempted to drop him for Aguero and keep Kane/Austin.

        8. Kroos Kontrol
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          That top 3 comparison would have been shot to pieces had Aguero stayed injury-free. Regarding the top 40 one, most teams have 4-5 MFs and 1-2 STs. So there are fewer STs, and thus fewer point-scorers (hence lesser FWD slots). Around the no.40 mark in forwards, you have guys like Drogba and Adebayor. In MFs - Willian, Coutinho and Sessegnon.

          1. Dino
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            • 14 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Good point but the top 10 is fairly representative.

        9. The Fantastic Mr Fox
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          The comparison is not entirely accurate.

          Considering how more midfielders play than strikers, you would expect more of them to have higher scores. Most clubs have 4 mids for every 2 strikers on the pitch, some have 5 for every 2, while a rare few employ 3-3 upfront. So unless you account for that, you really cannot say for sure that 5-2 is better than 4-2 or 4-3.

          More midfielders score higher, but since more of them play, is it statistically significant?

        10. The Fantastic Mr Fox
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Forgot to mention. Good analysis nonetheless. I had seen something like this with last season's data and made a few inaccurate assumptions with that 😀

        11. Football Matas
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Just posted this elsewhere, but relevant here - I totally agree.

          Currently sitting at overall 1,382 (have been as high as 52) and rising this week - I've gone for a slightly different wildcard approach (I hit the button on Jan 2nd)

          Foster - Panti
          Lescott - Terry - Cahill - Clyne - PVA
          Silva - Sanchez - Hazard - ADM - Sterling
          Kane - Austin - Ings

          Going with consistent scoring budget strikers to fund a power midfield and double Chelsea defence. Double WBA defence too is a bonus, and allows me to afford Clyne as an alternative. Also double Sunderland if needed. I'm gambling that a rotation of budget strikers, with Haz plus double Chelsea def will hold off on owning Costa (confident) and my power midfield (with additional points for goals and cleanies) will hold off an Aguero charge (not so confident). 3-5-2 every week.

          Happy to have Clyne (off the bench for Cahill), Sanchez and ADM playing today with 56 banked with Austin off the bench for Sterling (last minute switch of Sanchez to Hazard capn though grrr)

          With my 3 strikers all outscoring Costa yesterday I'm happy (all with baps), and I will hold 2 transfers back if I lose my nerve to bring in Kun....any thoughts people? I've been tracking a lot of wildcard topic posts and have yet to see this approach which is surprising I think - the capacity of top performing midfielders to score heavily in the second half of the season (as per Ronaldo and Bale of previous years) is too good to resist!

        12. makaveli70
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          wisdom or clinchy for the next 2 gameweeks???

        13. Beavis
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          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Great article mate. Really considering the 3-5-2 approach.

        14. Concrete
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          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Naylor or Moreno?