The Numbers Game – 2015/16 Review – Crystal Palace

Yep, all of this ^^^ Titles speak.

Jose only cares for the real trophies. Pep has a big collection of CWCs, super cups etc. Jose doesn't stay around for those. He mainly wins leagues, CLs and the country's big cup.

You would never see Pep adjust the formation because of the opponent's tactics. Just keep passing the ball around until the phenomenon in the team (Messi for example) can come up with something. Doesn't usually work against the top teams that can actually defend and hit on the counter.

Yeah that's ludicrous. I've never seen a manager with so many different game plans for every situation.

The question was who can claim to be the better manager i gave my opinion and my reasons for it... how a debate usually goes.. i'm still waiting on your reasoning for Pep... who is a super coach btw

Ancelotti's record is poor when it comes to league titles tbh. At least his Milan stint because it was a long one. However, you are ignoring that he was against one of the best Juve teams of all time as well. Much stronger than this one for sure.

Ancelottis lack of league titles in comparison is a fair argument he has under achieved in that regard i guess but 3 CL's is a monumental achievement

Bidddledy-dee biddledy-dah.

You are obviously aware that he has won the CL 3 times? So let's just wait till he wins it for a 4th time with Bayern (something Guardiola couldn't do) and then perhaps the matter will be clearer for you. 😕

Failed with Bayern big time. Didn't reinvent them at all. Had no competition after buying every Dortmund star. His style also rubbed on the German national team taking away the traditional German ruthlessness and efficiency.

Almost half an hour into the debate and the first Pep fan to argue for him with any conviction and good points... fair play mate.. although it doesn't change my opinion

He did bring out the best in Xavi and Iniesta and bought Alves. To me this is his best work. Still he had a far superior team than Madrid who change a manager every year. Due to the stability factor, it is easier to be a Barca manager than a Madrid manager imo. And there is less pressure as well.

I may bobbing a little harsh, but 6 of the 8 Barca players I names stayed throughout his tenure. Throw Valdes in there and that's 7 of 9, and those 7 were the back-bone and rib cage of that team.

I would have loved to have seen him test himself at a club that wasn't already at the top.

The same can be said, to some extent, about Mourinho but he did win a Champions League with FC Porto.

Time will tell what sort of job he does with you boys, but I'd say he's had a charmed career so far.

Pique was never world class. Puyol and Busquets and the possession style of play Barca have that makes them have the ball most of the time protected him. Pique is a decent defender at best.

Messi wouldn't have made it under another manager? What planet are you on?

And the clubs after that mate?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3385270/Jose-Mourinho-biggest-spending-manager-world-football-past-10-years-makes-10.html

1 - Jose Mourinho – £619m
2 - Manuel Pellegrini – £597m
3 - Carlo Ancelotti – £466m
4 - Roberto Mancini – £441m
5 - Pep Guardiola – £382m

He does mate.. as good as Jose's Madrid team was on paper it wasn't on quite the same level as that group Pep had there hasn't been a club side in my lifetime that compares.. his first El Classico ended in a 5-0 defeat to Pep.. it was only Jose's quality as a manager that enabled them to eventually top them before Pep quit..

Yup.

Guardiola's Barcelona vs Mou's Inter
Guardiola: 2 Wins
Mourinho: 1 Win
1 Draw

Guardiola's Barcelona vs Mou's Madrid
Guardiola: 5 Wins (and some routs, 5-0)
Mourinho: 2 Wins
4 Draws

Guardiola's Bayern vs Mou's Chelsea
1 Draw in the Uefa Super Cup (Guardiola wins on pens, so Guardiola win)

Mourinho's only "schooled" Pep three times. Pep's beaten him 7 times, 8 if you (rightly) count a shootout win.

^this. 😆

He didn't build from the ground up, just provided the finishing touches.

Mou is the real deal IMO and Pep is set to struggle big time in the PL this season.

not mediocrity to european champions like mou did with porto and inter.

pep just had to provide the final embellishments on already CL winning squads - and he didn't even manage to match Heynkes' achievements at Bayern.

I'll admit he did very well at Barca, but that may have had something to do with having the best player of all time in his squad.

Mou trumps him

Provided the finishing touches with a winning spine already in place. Same thing at Bayern. Except he couldnt win the CL like Heynkes did in his tenure there.

Probably a poor choice of words with 'laurels' more than anything else. I simply meant that he'll have to be "on" at all times compared to La Liga and Bundesliga where there were many-a-game where they hardly needed to show up. Not to say the PL won't have teams just like that, but with the fixture congestion the top clubs experience, I feel these minnows are able to pounce more often.

Also easily best two is probably less apt than two winningest managers.

They are 'underdog' teams in comparison to the clubs Guardiola manages, which already had world class spines and were pretty much guaranteed the league every year even if they hadn't had a manager at the club at all lol.

Citeh will be his big test and I wouldn't be surprised if he falls a long way short of the mark.

Not to mention Real Madrid.

"Jose is not a very good longterm plan imo"

This is a tired cliche built on the backs of information taken out of context.

I wonder if the same will happen at Utd. It didn't happen at Inter or Porto. At Madrid, he fell out with Casillas and it turned out to be justified. Even Ancelotti continued to bench Casillas in league games all season. Ramos and other big characters in the team sided with Casillas. At Chelsea, he blew it with the whole Eva incident.

I think at a club like Utd, he will be calmer and will learn from his mistakes at Chelsea.

Been through this one before mate the battery is dead in my crystal ball so i'm not gunna sit here and try to predict what will or won't happen... i'm sure Dortmund fans were looking towards stability under Klopp until they found themselves in the relegation zone for much of his last season before he walked on them... things happen.. stick that in your pipe

Ha i know i'll flag it for hot topic.. most certainly is that 🙂

yeah, took me ages to read, love it mate.

yeah I am really enjoying reading everything and it's great to hear the counter arguments being made 🙂

you gave a reasoned argument. Respect for that

I hate people who just give an answer with no reasoning, or even worse, reply to a question with

lol

Brilliant stuff mate this is what makes the site so great imo like i said earlier.. well played 🙂

September 10th is going to be a great game, that's for sure. Explosive derby.

Am genuinely excited that the league could be entering a great era. The quality of managers plus the scores of TV money will surely attract more world class talent.

Now if Arsenal can just get a CB and another striker...

there is more pressure on Jose for a few reasons, first of all he is PL proven and has settled in and secondly Utd fans are expecting a lot from him after several years of disappointment under Moyes and LVG.

Pepe definitely has pressure, but as you say he does have the excuse of first year in England.

I love it when neither of them wins the league.

The best case scenario: no CL football for Manchester on season 2017/2018.

However, it could have an evil side effect: UEFA would either change the formate so that the richest clubs are guaranteed to play CL every season, or the top richest clubs of Europe have their own league.