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Gordon’s Plight Boosts Flourishing Mignolet

29 March 2011 1156 comments

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Craig Gordon has announced that he still remains well short of fitness as he battles to regain the number one jersey at Sunderland. An article in the Northern Echo this morning quotes the stricken Black Cats stopper who is still struggling with a knee injury…

“I’m not very close to being fully fit to be honest. I go back to see the specialist in the middle of next month. It’s a possibility (that I will not be fully fit until next season). A strong possibility. I’ll need to wait and see what the doctor says. I’m in his hands and he will tell me what I’m capable of doing from there.”

This comes as significant news for Fantasy Managers due to the potential offered by Simon Mignolet. The young Belgian keeper has started the last three league games for Steve Bruce, conceding 4 goals and keeping a superb clean sheet at the Emirates in gameweek 29. That game saw a 10 point haul with 2 Save Points and 2 Bonus for Mignolet, bringing the 3.9 valued prospect to the attention of Fantasy Premier League Managers.

Although Sunderland travel to Eastlands this weekend, the clean sheet against Arsenal on their last away trip will give them confidence, while City’s goalscoring form is hardly convincing right now. After this, Sunderland’s fixtures improve markedly, as our recent “Frisking the Fixtures” article outlined. With this latest news on Gordon’s fitness, it seems likely that Mignolet will cement his starting role – providing a significant boost to his already healthy Fantasy stock.

Look out for his ranking in today’s Watchlist update; a full Watchlist article assessing Mignolet’s potential will also follow.

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Funkyav
15 years, 24 days ago
Capello has learnt 100 words of english in his time as england manager. he says the players can understand everything he says, how come i cant understand a word of what he is saying in his post match interviews...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/28/fabio-capello-jose-mourinho-england

CAPELLO OUT NOW
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1. TommyK
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Still probably more words than Stevie G knows...... 😉
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  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    True dat.
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2. gatzi
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I just think he's made too many mistakes already
  
  Picking the same old team that has proven to not work. You gotta pick the best team not the highest profile guys with the biggest wages - he's not developed anything since he's been manager.
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  1. Funkyav
    15 years, 24 days ago
    it is thought that if you live in a country then you can pick up conversational language in about 12 weeks. Possibly up to 20 for those who are a bit older.
    
    How long has he had to learn the language?
    
    PATHETIC
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    1. pompeyfan
      15 years, 24 days ago
      It is thought?! What experience of this do you have? Anyway he does have at least conversation English skills.
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      1. Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        One of my best friends is a language teacher. This is widely known, ihavent just made it up.
        
        3 months living in a country surrounded by locals and a normal person will pick up language.
        
        I speak french to a conversational level and i can say for sure that Fabio does NOT have conversational English.
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        pompeyfan
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Its not as easy as you think. I just commented as I hear this a lot from English people that haven't actually gone to live abroad and don't have any real language skills. Not a dig at you.
        
        It took me quite a bit longer to pick up Dutch and it took a lot of hard work. Also speak conversational French.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        some languages are harder than others definitely, but i still find his lack of english after all this time baffling.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        This i slightly agree on but isnt Capello already fluent in a number of languages. The fact he is learning another so late only complicates things
        
        Besides the media is only using this rod to beat him as ever and ignore the players lack of responsibility.
        
        Its all so boringly predictable year on year with the only difference this time is the foreigner can be painted with another brush.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        blah blah blah you are boring me now...
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Its boring when the truth comes out yet.
        
        Yes Capello is multilingual. Yes he is old and still has managed to grass a new languae
        
        Yes the media are using anything they can against him.
        
        Fine if they want him to go but base it on football.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        "One of my best friends is a language teacher. This is widely known, ihavent just made it up."
        
        A yes. Great evidence.
        
        "3 months living in a country surrounded by locals and a normal person will pick up language"
        
        Utter nonsense again.
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        It might be over-stated by Funkyav but I don't think it's nonsense. I picked up a decent amount of Marathi when I was over there for seven weeks, and Tamil when I was there too. It's do-able when you are immersed completely in another language.
        Saying that I've forgotten pretty much all of it, as it was the mid 90's I was there and haven't used it since.
        Capello should have a better standard of English considering he has been here a good while and his main job is to communicate.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Theres a big difference between learning words and pharses to get by and an whole language.
        
        3 months is nothing. There is so much that goes into it between grammar, vocab, verbs, tenses etc etc etc . This is a language. Completely diff from pharses
        Besides it goes on from there to retention. Like learning a skill such as driving eventually it will become so engrained you can not drive for 5 years but still be able to cltuch, brake, gas etc.
        As you said you forgot which is normal under the circumstances.
        Language is far more complex than merely learning in 3 months.
        
        Most of all there is no evidence to say it takes 3months nor is it widely accepted by anyone in the field.
        
        Although and if Capello should talk to his players better this to has very little to with his ability as a manager. And yes there is evidence to support this.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        i supppose you know better than a language teacher (with 10 years experience of teaching around the world)
        
        you are so patronising it is untrue.
        
        3 months living in a foreign speaking community is enough to pick up conversational language skills.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        to Dbr.
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        Drip Doctor
        15 years, 24 days ago
        DBR is actually talking a lot of sense here.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        "i supppose you know better than a language teacher (with 10 years experience of teaching around the world)"
        
        Your using one persons ability and opinions and then applying it to the whole field. My gf is fluent in 3, almost fluent in another 3 and has studied everything from linguistics to literature of the major european languages' your statement about it widely accepted is indeed nonsense
        
        "3 months living in a foreign speaking community is enough to pick up conversational language skills."
        
        Evidence please. Conversational is complete different to retention once removed from the environment.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        evidence
        
        from a leading linguist blog regarding learning a language from a different country.
        
        "Along with motivation, intensity is one of the most important principles of language learning. If you spend at least 90 minutes per day for six days out of seven every week, you will make a significant breakthrough in three months. If you study 3 hours a week you will achieve very little.
        
        A breakthrough might mean getting to basic conversation ability starting from zero. It might mean going from basic conversation to the ability to express more complex thoughts and read comfortably. You will know when you have made a breakthrough and it feels good.
        
        Of course your activity must be intense. Sitting in language class may not be intense, especially if there 15 other students in the class. Personal study is intense. I am talking about reading, listening, learning words and phrases and using them in writing and speaking. You can do that with a minimum amount of tutoring."
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        You have a girlfriend? 😯
        
        😉
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Atilla - yes I was going to question that next!
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Funkyav thats merely an opinion.
        
        Wheres the study of a class of non speakers being able to read a national paper cover to cover and then discuss it after 3 months in conversation.
        
        Of course people can learn some words thats pretty obvious over a time period. There is no evidence for it A. Being possible B widely accepted.
        
        All that statements sounds like besides lacking anything other than an opinion is someone trying to sell a language course
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Dbr - u are such a *&*&(%! So why is your opinion the right one?
        
        I trust the opinion of a senior linguist on a blog backed by several international organisations than i do your small minded, patronising, anti british, know it all Opinion!
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Dbr - we were talking about conversational language skills.
        
        what are you on about reading a paper cover to cover?
        
        IDIOT
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        "Dbr – u are such a *&*&(%! So why is your opinion the right one?"
        
        My opinion is based on evidence. There is no evidence to support it.
        
        A man who can speak 50 language saying people call learn languages in 2mins means nothing unless it is backed up with evidence which is repeatable under a variety of conditions.
        
        Opinions based without evidence - the blog you linked mean very little. I am happy to change my opinion when evidence shows otherwise.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I give up
        
        you are abhorrent
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        Akers
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Welcome to the club Funkyav.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        "I give up"
        
        I didnt expect anything less since you offered 0 evidence to the claims you made.
        
        Im really not an annoying know it all git or dont claim to be. I just dont like opinions without any evidence being so frivolously used an accepted.
        
        I like evidence. Its the most important thing in an debate
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        Stat virgin
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Woah woah woaaaah
        
        I'm not getting into the rest of this debate, but you are a know it all git
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I give up tryin to reason with you (and that idiot Bieber)
        
        I know what i said is true and I trust the person who told me. I also have my own experience to go by. I know there are variables and some languages are harder than others. I don not need to convince you of anything. you have given absolutely no evidence at all.
        
        you and your "high and mighty", "i am always right" attitude is abhorrent and i look forward to the day that your comments do not annoy the people on this site.
        
        Bye
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Sammy - maybe you percieve that and it comes across in my righting but i dont intend to be.
        
        My intentions are simple. I hate people using opinions as facts or making claims that have no evidence to back them up
        
        Whats so wrong with that? Im not saying "I know this" im saying what you just said has no basis in fact.
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        Locarno
        15 years, 24 days ago
        For a know-it-all git, he has a strange way of spelling writing.
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        😆 Ha!
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Hehe Loc.
        
        This can be my defence 😀
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3. PFOR
  15 years, 24 days ago
  "We play, ehhhhhh...good"
  "We score, ehhhhh...goal"
  "John Terry, ehhhhh...captain"
  
  Same as Trappatoni tbh.
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4. pompeyfan
  15 years, 24 days ago
  He didn't say he had learn't 100 words he said he only needs 100 words to explain what he needs to to the players. He's probably right.
  
  Steve McLaren managed ok with FC Twente without the language skills. To blame England's performance on Capello's English is ridiculous
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  1. gatzi
    15 years, 24 days ago
    McLaren and his interview where he spoke English with a dutch accent was the daddy 🙂
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    1. Funkyav
      15 years, 24 days ago
      pompeyfan - it has been a factor in the england teams poor performance, he has to take some of the blame, he picks the team and the formation and is there to inspire/motivate.
      
      England are a shambles, it is not all Fabios fault but some of it is and the fools who employed Fabio and then renegotiated his contract are more to blame but they wont ever leave.
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      1. pompeyfan
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Capello's management is a factor but I don't think his language skills are. Bobby Robson was successful in many different countries. Trapattoni has also been successful in Germany & Ireland with pretty poor English & German.
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        Funkyav
        15 years, 24 days ago
        fair enough we will agree to disagree.
        
        i cant stand capello. He should not still be in a job after the world cup debacle.
        
        The last 3 england managers have been a disaster (last 2 especially).
        
        I used to love international football now i just see it as an inconvenience.
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5. The Artist
  15 years, 24 days ago
  absurd conversation.
  
  generally-accepted theory (by developmental psychologists rather than your mate the "language teacher") is that language acquisition to a fluent level is typically possible up to age 24. language acquisition skills deteriorate over time, with an infant aged 2-4 most likely to quickly become proficient in the use of language and so on to the average age 24, at which time the average human can give up hope of beginning to study a language and achieving a fluent level. i'm evidence of that, having begun to study chinese while living in china at age 23 and, 9 years later, being *proficient* but not *fluent*.
  
  the level of english that capello possesses is, in fact, classified as "conversational", though certainly short of proficient. however, for someone who arrived in an english-speaking environment on a semi-permanent basis for the first time at 61 (count that, 61) years of age, being conversational is a fine achievement.
  
  the whole "capello out" call on the basis of language ability is best left alone. pure xenophobia as, if 'arry were in the job and made the same mistakes capello has made, england supporters would be calling for his head all the same. to suggest anything else is, in the eyes of an objective observer, pure churlishness.
  
  check your facts, check your attitude.
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  1. Drip Doctor
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Post of the day.
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  2. pompeyfan
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Thats exactly what I was trying to say 😉
    
    Nice post
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G0SS
15 years, 24 days ago
Is RVP due to rise tonight??
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1. Funkyav
  15 years, 24 days ago
  looks like he might...
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2. King Nil Miss ✩
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Yes sir!
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3. tosey
  15 years, 24 days ago
  yeh 10.5 it will have to be
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  1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    tosey you on ghana aswell yeah?
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    1. PFOR
      15 years, 24 days ago
      A lotta people are.
      
      (Anyone have the Ghana line-up btw?)
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    2. tosey
      15 years, 24 days ago
      no cant bring myself to back against england
      
      plus stuck seein the mrs so wont be watching it
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      1. MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        "stuck"... sounds like a healthy relationship 😆
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        TO
        15 years, 24 days ago
        🙂 lol
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        its what we all say really
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  2. Johnny Unitas
    15 years, 24 days ago
    we should know if he got throught he game unscathed before the price rise though, might gamble on it myself at about 12.30 in order to avoid a further loss on Tevez and rise on RVP
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4. G0SS
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Really dont want to buy him before he plays and hurts himself.
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  1. King Nil Miss ✩
    15 years, 24 days ago
    The game is over by 9:30!
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    1. G0SS
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Ha I thought today was Monday cos I was off work yesterday. This is excellent news. Cheers ML.
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Connor's Calling
15 years, 24 days ago
A. Dawson/Luiz/Carr/Rooney/Welbeck
B. Terry/Luiz/R.Johnson/Gyan/Carroll
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1. Drip Doctor
  15 years, 24 days ago
  A
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Scoredelario
15 years, 24 days ago
On a side note - can anyone confirm that buying lampard for gw33 is NOT essential, at all. Who cares if he's playing 2 games that week - over the final 8 games, i think plenty will outscore him.

He gets an extra 1 game, so everyone else is playing 7/8ths of his games anyway. I'm willing to bet that, per million dollars, a lot of players will get more points in 7 games than he will in 8. I mean a LOT of players.

And let's remember it is per million dollars that counts, since it doesnt matter if your x points come from one 12+4 mil, or 8+8 mil. It's still x points from 16 mil of your team.
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1. Drip Doctor
  15 years, 24 days ago
  It's definitely not essential but most people, including myself will be getting him out of fear of what he could do.
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2. Andy
  15 years, 24 days ago
  All that matters to me is I think he'll score the most points in GW33 so I want him to captain him. Then he's got West Ham at home (a club he has an amazing record against) the week after. Nothing says you, I or anyone else needs to keep him until season's end anyway.
  
  Will he be good value? Gosh no, but not all players are but still get ample points.
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  1. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    I suppose so - If you'd otherwise have money lying in the bank. For me i would have to make sacrifices and I think i'd lose points that way.
    
    Also, I'd probably end up transferring him in (4 points) and out (4 points) where i could otherwise keep a player all the way through.
    
    For me, value is essential, providing you're able to reach close to your bank limit with good value players.
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  2. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Also, people talk about differentials - What about 'undifferentials'
    
    I recently felt great because i DIDN'T have tevez when loads did. And I'm praying the same will apply to NOT having lampard.
    
    I'm clearly tempting fate in a big way here and i know what that means. :S
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    1. MAD
      15 years, 24 days ago
      I'm probably going down the no-lampard road as well... we can cry together in GW33.
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    2. Locarno
      15 years, 24 days ago
      I'm a fan of those. My undifferentials at the moment include Nani, Rooney, RVP, Bale, VDV, Nasri, Torres and Lampard.
      
      Scary stuff.
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      1. Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        haha, but surely some of those really are important.
        
        Torres, for example,is guaranteed loads of points every game.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Yea he's fixture proof... 2pts against any opposition.
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        Locarno
        15 years, 24 days ago
        There's going to be a GW soon where Torres, Zigic, Kolarov and a few other roundly condemned and discarded players really tear it up.
        
        Which is going to make for a hilarious afternoon of bitterness on this website. 🙂
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        You telling me? I'm one of those bloody Torres owners...
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      2. Andy
        15 years, 24 days ago
        No-one in their right mind has Torres.
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        The Artist
        15 years, 24 days ago
        indeed, nor would they captain him. 🙂
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3. 1966 was a great year for E…
  15 years, 24 days ago
  If you don't spend that £13m on Lamps, you'll likely be spending it on Rooney, or Tevez, or Torres, or Fabs - the question is do you think Lamps will outscore them.
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  1. MAD
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Just that all those options are almost 2m cheaper 😛
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      15 years, 24 days ago
      You know what I mean...
      
      Most of them are only £1m cheaper anyway 😛
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  2. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    I agree there arent many good value expensive players this season. Perhaps van persie and nani are the main 2 - and then you have to go for 'reasonable value, quite expensive' players to fill up your team.I.e. nasri, vdv, tevez, rooney(ish)
    
    The likes of torres and lamps are just pathetically bad value this season, i think.
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  3. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Questions about doubling up on defenders...
    
    Is it any different to have:
    
    3 'teamx' defenders for 5 games
    vs
    1 'teamx' defender for 15 games?
    
    I.e. throughout a season, does doubling/ tripling up actually make any difference except increase your sample size and reduce your chance of bad luck in the short term?
    
    Given that you can choose your favourite sequence of 5 games, wouldn't this suggest that doubling/ tripling up might be the best long term strategy when defenders are of similar quality?
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4. Marknlard
  15 years, 24 days ago
  But if you captain him in GW33 when he scores 20 points more than anyone else then you probably won't care if he does diddly for GW34-38.
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  1. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    i see no reason that luiz won't outscore lampard, or at least come close, in gw33.
    
    Also, van persie can score against anyone and also has a double.
    
    Yes, there's a chance lampard will outscore everyone, but we need a crystal ball to tell you if it will happen.
    
    Even if it happens, i won't regret not having him.
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    1. tosey
      15 years, 24 days ago
      what???
      
      yes luiz could outscore lampard but very unlikely
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      1. Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        why? i think a clean sheet is as likely as a lampard assist. And unless they get a penalty, when's the last time lampard scored from open play. And luiz?
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        tosey
        15 years, 24 days ago
        2 games ago away at blackpool
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      2. Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        and maybe i should say
        
        luiz x 2 + the 7 mil invested elsewhere
        
        is very likely to outscore lampard x 2.
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        tosey
        15 years, 24 days ago
        lampard x4 as id imagine anyone who has him will captain him
        
        he got 20 goals last season and the most assists in the league
        
        if you dont have him itll hurt you imo
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        Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Last season chelsea were goal machines.
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    2. Marknlard
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Yeah of course they might, but you'd be brave to captain a defender over a midfielder. I'd also say that RvP's double is tougher than Lampard's on paper.
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      1. Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Actually that was hypothetical, i'll be captaining van persie i think.
        
        I agree chelsea will score more than arsenal... but i think van persie is likely to get a much high percentage of arsenal's goals.
        
        With chelsea, you need to buy the whole front 10 or whatever it is to guarantee a goal.
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      15 years, 24 days ago
      Lots of people (me included) have had him in past years and remember the bumper points hauls he can bring - it's just Lamps and Fabs (and Ronaldo) who have done that on a regular basis in midfield.
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    4. Andy
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Value is great but I don't think you can underestimate the equal worth of having one or two blue chip players who you captain and can "rely on" more than the steady Eddie's for that BIG score.
      
      Eleven standard players will only get you so far, the last four seasons I've been playing I've picked up, amongst other things, value is great but you need one or two of those [potentially] special players.
      
      I'm not saying Lampard will score big, and he's definitely not value, but he is one of "those players".
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      1. Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Yeah I agree, and i don't think lampard is one of those this season. That's why i don't think he's good value.
        
        If a player is worth 10m+ and is good value, he can expect to score big quite often.
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        tosey
        15 years, 24 days ago
        47 points in 6 games that included utd, city and liverpool would indicate he is good value
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        Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        33 of those points were against blackpool, sunderland and fulham.
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        tosey
        15 years, 24 days ago
        and his next 3 gwks after stoke he plays
        
        wigan, west brom, birmingham and west ham
        
        3 at home 1 away
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5. Jonah
  15 years, 24 days ago
  From the 3 teams that have a double in gameweek 33, there's a small group of players who are a good shout. No-one from Birmingham except foster looks that great, in my opinion, only Lampard amongst the Chelsea attack, and probably only a select few from Arsenal.
  
  This means that we're all banging on about the same players. It's not nessecarily because they're utterly fantastic options, more because there aren't too many alternatives if you're looking for double game weekers.
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Drip Doctor
15 years, 24 days ago
Lovely shot, love those straight drives.
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Jimjam
15 years, 24 days ago
70 points behind top of my league with this team:

Foster
Huth, Coleman, Kolarov, Rafael, Djourou
Nani, Van der Vaart, Nasri, Meireles, Downing
Rooney, RVP, Zigic

Not asking specifically who to get this week, but more broadly: which players should I look to transfer in (or out) over the next few weeks so I can catch up with my rival?
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1. TO
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I've got 10 of your players in my team & same defensive players bar Kolarov[Hangeland for me]
  
  Players to get rid:
  1 Rafael or Djourou
  2 Meireles
  3 Zigic
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  1. Jimjam
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Yup those were the ones I was thinking of. Was looking at possibly getting in some of these guys: Luiz, Dawson, Adam/O'Hara, Lampard, Suarez. Sound good?
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    1. TO
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Almost the same plan i have. Jarvis/Adam, Luiz & Suarez should be in my team by next GW
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Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
15 years, 24 days ago
This is the first time in this phase that my boys have done anything ... 🙂
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Drip Doctor
15 years, 24 days ago
Wasn't Dilshan the highest run scorer at the last World Cup aswell. Consistent!
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1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
  15 years, 24 days ago
  He am the man!!! 🙂
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  1. Drip Doctor
    15 years, 24 days ago
    It's seriously impressive, especially when you consider how a lot of the other opening batsman have done this World Cup.
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shiffo
15 years, 24 days ago
Anyone thinking of bringing in RVP for Tevez this gameweek? Both have easy home games but afterwards RVP has a better schedule.

I also need to get a defender as I only have 2 fit, would you pay 4 pts for RVP + Luiz in for Tevez + Raphael??

Am totally lost, any help would be appreciated!
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1. Drip Doctor
  15 years, 24 days ago
  If you have two free transfers then sure why not. If you only have the one, then just bring a defender in and leave the Tevez -> RVP till next week.
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  1. shiffo
    15 years, 24 days ago
    I only have one transfer but to bring in Luiz I need to sell Tevez! I can get a cheap defender instead this gameweek, then RVP next wk and Luiz the one after next but by then their price will have gone up massively I guess.. Thanks anyway!
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2. MAD
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I'm actually thinking about brining Tevez in, not taking him out 😛
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3. King Nil Miss ✩
  15 years, 24 days ago
  RVP and Tevez both can score big so I guess it´s really up to you..although I confess would prefer RVP.
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  1. shiffo
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Yeah me too, much better form and Man City usually score one or 2 goals only
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Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
15 years, 24 days ago
Vettori being escorted to the cleaners ...
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Scroobius Mac
15 years, 24 days ago
Could I have a quick opinion please, who should I ditch for Luiz:
A)Huth
B) R Johnson
C) Rafael
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1. Locarno
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Seriously?
  
  C by a street.
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  1. Scroobius Mac
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Yeah I know that seems sensible but Stokes fixures are terrible apart from the double whereas Rafael should be back soon and I may play him in more weeks.
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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      why are you getting luiz this week?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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      1. Scroobius Mac
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Because Lampard has stretched my funds and I won't be able to afford him at 6.4, plus it's not like Stoke are goal scoring machines.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Newcastle would care to disagree.
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Certainly.
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Retro
15 years, 24 days ago
All this talk about week 33. I don't even know who's playing this week yet. Plans schmans!!
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Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
15 years, 24 days ago
Southee has bowled a maiden over!!! 😀
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1. Demí
  15 years, 24 days ago
  erghhh 🙁
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  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    I've got both batsmen as well ... 🙂
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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Whoop! Whoop!!! 🙂
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      1. Demí
        15 years, 24 days ago
        lucky sod 😉
        I have sanga but not dilshan. On the bright side, atleast i captained Murali
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        Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I might still have chosen the right captain ... 🙂
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Locarno
15 years, 24 days ago
I said to my mate, "I just watched that film about the Nazis."

He said, "Oh what, the one with Adolf in?"

I said, "No mate, you're thinking of 'Flipper', this was just about the Nazis."
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1. Demí
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Any woman that thinks the way to a mans heart is through his stomach is aiming just a little too high
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  1. Locarno
    15 years, 24 days ago
    I asked my grandmother for "something Cuban" for my birthday, and she got me a Che Guevara shirt.
    
    Clothes, but no cigar.
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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      like it!
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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      My grandad always used to tell me to fight fire with fire.
      
      That's why they kicked him out of the Fire Brigade.
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2. Johnny Unitas
  15 years, 24 days ago
  good, you just missed the "Adolf in IT" for a perfect score for me
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jamsiep
15 years, 24 days ago
Game on!
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1. Demí
  15 years, 24 days ago
  meh
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2. Locarno
  15 years, 24 days ago
  😯
  
  A Vettori hat-trick and SL would STILL be favourites...
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  1. Demí
    15 years, 24 days ago
    Wow. Just wow.
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3. jamsiep
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I wasn't joking!
  
  Okay, I was. But still... Will be interesting to see how the SRI middle order copes now. Mathews to see them home!!
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  1. Locarno
    15 years, 24 days ago
    James, you and I could get them home from here...
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    1. jamsiep
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Not saying much though, I'm a pretty serious batsmen. 😉
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MADE IN CHARLTON
15 years, 24 days ago
CRICKET

DILSHAN OUT. My faint hopes of a top 1000 finish in the Telegraph game remain alive!
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Demí
15 years, 24 days ago
Jayawardene out.

Game on? I think soo..
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RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
15 years, 24 days ago
for all you fantasy golf freaks- cash prizes and all.

seeing as i hate professional golfers with a passion, not for me.

ps- if you win, you can sed me a couple of hundred for the heads up 😀

http://fantasygolf.irishtimes.com/?page=register&aff=1907
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1. Funkyav
  15 years, 24 days ago
  you need to buy the paper to get a code each week. not ideal for those of us not in Ireland.
  
  However, I have set up a league in the ESPN fantasy MASTERS Golf competition. details below if you are interested...
  
  Get in the action now:
  http://games.espn.go.com/masters/en/group?groupID=907
  
  Group: Fantasy Masters
  Password: masters2011
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  1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    as i said mate,not for me, hate pro golfers- following would only anger the blood.
    
    particluarly that macdowell c.unt
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    1. Funkyav
      15 years, 24 days ago
      yes you have said this before, strange that you would advertise a fantasy golf comp seeing as when folk start talking about it you vent your spleen and declare war against all golfers!
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      1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        thoguht it might be useful to you lot on here, with a 15 grand prize!
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mr messi
15 years, 24 days ago
Any Etherington owners hanging on to him? I know Stoke have a dgw coming up but he doesn't seem to be fully fit yet and hasn't done much since back from injury.
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RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
15 years, 24 days ago
jesus the more i look at defoe's fixtures, i just can't get rid of him.
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Locarno
15 years, 24 days ago
Pity Vettori isn't allowed 15 overs...
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RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
15 years, 24 days ago
hey attilla, u here?
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1. Attila the Bum
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Yessir
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  1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    see this? might be useful to ye
    
    -http://www.tourismopportunity.ie/
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    1. Attila the Bum
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Yeah seen that thanks, I'll let ya know how we get on when we get to starting the site. We're just at sorting out the legal aspects etc stage at the moment.
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      1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        ah acool.
        are you allowed give details or is it all hush hush? 40 k is alot of money man- must be an idea of some use to have that backing behind you!
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Hush hush for the moment I'm afraid, I'll let you know as soon as we're protected. If it works out it could be a cracking little business. If it doesn't, well at least we gave it a shot.
        But I'll certainly let you know how the website end of it goes as soon as we get into it.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        very interesting- love to know how the protection will apply to a tourism business....looking forward to seeing it!
        
        did you go the bank with a business plan for that funding or other investors? (please tell me to piss off if im asking too much)- it just seems a huge amount for google ads
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        It's not just for google ads, its for our initial marketing budget as a whole. Google ads will be a part of it, though hopefully a not major part of it.
        We are part funded through the Leader programme and partly our own funds. We're just at the stage of making the business legal and investor-ready. So quite early doors really, we're taking our time in a way, trying to make sure that it is bang on in every department - we don't want to launch and find major flaws, or get ripped off, sued or something.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        gotcha. whats the leader programme?
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Its a local funding programme
        http://www.nrn.ie/leader-approach/2009/07/leader-in-ireland/
        Part of an EU initiative I think.
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Scoredelario
15 years, 24 days ago
Questions about doubling up on defenders…

Is it any different to have:

3 ‘teamx’ defenders for 5 games
vs
1 ‘teamx’ defender for 15 games?

I.e. throughout a season, does doubling/ tripling up actually make any difference except increase your sample size and reduce your chance of bad luck in the short term?

Given that you can choose your favourite sequence of 5 games, wouldn’t this suggest that doubling/ tripling up might be the best long term strategy when defenders are of similar quality?
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1. Attila the Bum
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I love doubling up. When it works its beautiful. Pity I chose Everton as one of my doubling teams though. 😐
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2. tosey
  15 years, 24 days ago
  finally somebody thinking along the same lines as me
  
  since i trebled on my defence ive done ok out of it
  
  best way to sort your defence is to have 3 from one team 3 from another that rotate well and then one more expensive defender that plays every week
  
  wish id done it alot earlier but was always told it was too risky
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  1. Scoredelario
    15 years, 24 days ago
    yeah i dont see how it's risky in a 38 game season
    
    it's risky if the competition is about getting green arrows.
    
    Or a head to head
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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      see below, one of the riskiest things you can do in this game apart from captaining a defender or defoe.
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    15 years, 24 days ago
    I really like the idea, but it stops you from bringing in OOP defenders (unless they play for one of the teams you're trebling on). Maybe they're over-rated, though.
    
    My rival tripled up on Sunderland over xmas / new year, absolutely raked in the points.
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3. Kings of Lyon ★
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Yes assuming you keep that 1 teamx defender for all 15 games which you wont do.
  
  Im going to adopt doubling/triplling defenders next year i think
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4. Andy
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Statistically I don't think it makes a difference how many you pick - other than obviously if you have 2/3 defenders it restricts the options you can choose in midfield or attack.
  
  Personally I don't like doing it because I like to spread my bets and find selecting defenders the least interesting part. If (say) Newcastle concede after 3 minutes of their kick off at home to Wigan then the gameweek is over there and then, but that's based on preference not mathematical advantage.
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5. Stat virgin
  15 years, 24 days ago
  The only downsides are lack of flexibility if the team loses form, we've all been there when were stuck with a defender who we lose ALL faith in of keeping a clean sheet, and then the inability to cash in on attacking points. Apart from that it's sound logic to me, but I'd stick to doubling up to give more flexibilty
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    15 years, 24 days ago
    sdammy, that was abotu to be my point. If a team loses defensive form (literally, happens to all teams) youre f cuked majorly.
    
    bad strategy i reckon
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    1. tosey
      15 years, 24 days ago
      thats why i pick two to treble on with great rotation, if they have a few nightmares defensively chances are you have them benched for the poor away performances
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      1. MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Yea Brum's homeform is off the hook atm! 😛
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        tosey
        15 years, 24 days ago
        gwk 26, the three brum defs got me 24pts
        gwk28 they got me 14pts
        
        didnt play them 27,29,30
        
        not too shabby
        
        anyway im off home for the day, evening gents!
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        funny as they didn't have a game in GW28... but I get your point.
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jamsiep
15 years, 24 days ago
C'mon the Kiwis!!!!
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1. Attila the Bum
  15 years, 24 days ago
  My team would be seriously fecked if Sri Lanka don't win.
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  1. jamsiep
    15 years, 24 days ago
    At least you have a team. I don't think I even have that.
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    1. Attila the Bum
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Did you intentionally rip apart your side or was it just bad management? 🙂
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      1. jamsiep
        15 years, 24 days ago
        A bit of both really, I'll explain later when I'm not *supposed* to be working...
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ralphypne
15 years, 24 days ago
CRICKET:

Game on, what a shame vettori has no overs left.
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1. jamsiep
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Not a problem, they've still got 4 overs from Nath. 😉
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Locarno
15 years, 24 days ago
Is Matthews' injury going to prevent him batting???
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1. jamsiep
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Mathews (one 't' btw) is injured?!?! Absolute disaster! 😛
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Blue Teets
15 years, 24 days ago
Place is dull lately. Can hardly blame you for talkin cricket, cannot wait until saturday...
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1. Attila the Bum
  15 years, 24 days ago
  This is new for me,
  1) I agree with your addition to your name.
  2) You aren't complaining about cricket chat.
  Well well. 🙂
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  1. Blue Teets
    15 years, 24 days ago
    So you are quite smart after all...
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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Clever, but perhaps not wise ...
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    2. Attila the Bum
      15 years, 24 days ago
      “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.” Socrates (not the brilliant cig smoking midfield genius)
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    3. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      how, pray-tell is capitalism the solution when it caused the problem
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      1. Blue Teets
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I can't be botherede getting into it RBJ.
        
        Dr Bernstein presents the case much better anyhow:
        
        http://link-shrink.com/9182
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        1966 was a great year for E…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        David Harvey on crises of capitalism:
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        capitalism simply does not work- it doesnt fit human nature. we're all f ucked
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Capitalism IS human nature to a degree.
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        Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        What utter tripe, Attila!
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Really? Have humans not bartered and traded throughout our existence on this planet?
        Is it not the thing that helps to create competition? The driving force behind the Industrial Revolution? One of the most important factors in innovation, development and invention?
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Dissagree Attila.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        to a degree attilla, but only to a small degree. the survival of the fittest is all very good, but a system that depends on people purchasing and purchasing things, and getting into debt, things that 100 years ago and further back (shit, 40 years ago and back) we didnt need, completely blows the human nature thing out of the water. It's all starting to fall apart, and the human masses are feeling the strain.
        
        Unless human nature has completely changed in the past 100 years (an evolutionary blink), thats pure twaddle. We are enslaved in a system that benefits the tiniest minority.
        
        This is one of the best things ive ever written i think, anywhere!
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Oh I quite agree, but that's an aspect of modern capitalism of today, it is not the idea of capitalism. The basic idea of capitalism is the system that suits human nature best, Communism is quite unnatural to our nature and so you never really see it throughout history apart from the relatively recent past.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        i agree about communism. What im saying does not mean im advocating communism.
        
        The simple fact is, through more transparent state involvement, none of the bank failures would have happened recently. The quest for profits is appealing to the greed in human nature, and its been shown for thousands of years that greed is wrong. People have run too far from some of the positive aspects of communism.
        
        Unfortunately, the way competitiveness is worldwide, we're screwed. People lose their job because they dont squeeze the last penny out to the detriment of everything else- including the nurturing of decent human nature- a love for our environment, the world we inhabit, this unique globe that protects us from the most iumaginable physical elemental forces in the universe. THAT was human nature
        
        our human nature ancestors worshipped the earth for what it was, a lifegiver. Now wwe're told to worship the dollar- so we can have a new iphone, or pair of gucci shows, or useless ipad. The dollar gives nothing back, but misery to others.
        
        im sorry, its all quite sad rteally, i have no hope for the species whatsoever, too many bad people, and too few good ones. We need a plague.
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I think that you're more annoyed with consumerism than capitalism which is different. But I do take your point.
        Anyway the main hassle we have is massive over-population, that is the world's biggest pain. The bank stuff should have certainly been regulated better, but all of this thread covers such a vast amount of different angles that I think most of us would be in general agreement about the fundamentals but we're all getting lost in the semantics. (And this is all probably waaaay too far beyond Fantasy Football chat it must be some kind of record for off-topicness, I'll expect to see this thread receive the coveted OffTheTopic Award at the presentation dinner at the end of the season) 🙂
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        attilla, that overpulation shit isnt true, we're being fed such lies. This is another reason why were supposed to accept our fellow human beings live in hell around the world, and why we cant share the wealth.
        
        ill link you something in a minute.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        We are thinking alike RBJ 😉
        
        Said the same on next page
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        The Artist
        15 years, 24 days ago
        at the risk of incurring your wrath, rbj, i think you've crossed your wires on this one.
        
        it is the political competitor of capitalism (note that i say political...looking to sidestep discussion of nature of philosophical relationship between the two) that is the one more opposed to human nature: communism. god is it ever. "let's ignore our personal needs and those of our loved ones and share the fruit of our labor with people whom we've never met!" hoo-boy. not only crack-pipe idealism, but impractical to boot.
        
        if anyone ever needed evidence, just look at china: its least successful years (and by "least successful" i mean the years where excess deaths averaged roughly 1.5 million per year) were the ones when the country's economy was run by communists. (1949-1976 is what i'm calling "communist" years, before anyone jumps on my figures. what's existed since '76 or '77 is the purest capitalist system the world has ever seen.)
        
        [i figure if people can discuss cricket on a football website, communism is open season.]
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        The Artist
        15 years, 24 days ago
        ok the conversation became MUCH more well-thought-through between when i started and finished writing my post. still stand by my points, tho.
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2. Scoredelario
  15 years, 24 days ago
  I think the protesters are embarassing. In Britain, it's been too easy to sit on your arse and have a good income, for too long, and that's why there are so many lazy people thinking they have a divine right to everything.
  
  It filters right through to parents blaming teachers for their kids' failures, kids blaming their parents, and alcoholics/ binge eaters getting angry with doctors.
  
  Now it's people borrowing shitloads of money, expecting to never have to pay it back, and then blaming the government.
  
  It's a bit like cheating footballers/ managers getting angry with referees I suppose.
  
  Make people's lives impossible then blame them for it.
  
  Never blame yourself
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  1. Locarno
    15 years, 24 days ago
    That much sense in one post on this site can result in only one thing.
    
    Ban this guy!!!
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    1. Scoredelario
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Haha. Try moving away from England, and you'll get the perspective i've got.
      
      I live in Hong Kong now and it's only through this that i've seen just how cringeworthy things can be back home.
      
      From alcoholism being a necessity to hard work being an embarrassment, Britain's really is an odd culture once you step outside and giggle.
      
      Then again, I could write a book about how silly some culture is over here... Basically i think i just hate herd mentality of any type
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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I am so pleased you no longer share in our culture.
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      2. Blue Teets
        15 years, 24 days ago
        You live in Hong Kong ?! I hope to move there to finish my Ph.d next year.
        
        Where, Kowloon ?
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        Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I'll soon be doing a phd in hong kong... Oh the irony. Live in the new territories... Up in the cheap bit for now.
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      3. njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I like this post. I found the same when I initially lived in Sweden a few years ago and very much the same now again.
        
        Your comments about alcoholism and and hard work are spot on
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  2. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
    15 years, 24 days ago
    scored, i agree wtih alot of that.
    
    however, its this culture of consumerism thats the culprit really. all these loans are a direct result of all this shit people are trying to sell us. all this shit being sold is driving the economy which is supposed to be the key to prosperity.
    
    this unsustainable cycle has been promoted by governemts, and its only gonna end in chaos. look at ireland- its a microcosm of whats really gonna happen worldwide in my opinion. its all gonna fall apart because its completely false.
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    1. Blue Teets
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Yes that is true. That isn't capitalism though.
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      1. Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        +1
        Capitalism is used as a coverall hate blanket.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Free markets, capitalism, call it what ever you want is a good thing per se. But when it comes to the point that companies do anything to get that extra 0.1% growth in a fiscal period, it's gone too far imo. There has to exist some stability behind it all, you can't just use up all the resources all over the world with profits being the only driving force.
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        In total agreement Mad.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        unregulated , laissez faire capitalism is now costing the average taxpayer thousands over their lifetime to pay for a wealthy few.
        
        unless you two are both a part of that set, you have been brainwashed.
        
        look at the Irish and British banks? Look at the subprome crisis??
        
        and let me tell yous oemthing gents- China is gonna burst in the next few years too, then its serious security crackdown time by governments- thats why all this surveillance is being installed gents- the people in the know KNOW this is unsustainable.
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Unregulated laissez faire capitalism does not exist.
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        Blue Teets
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Old Dominion FC. Correct. America had it last up to 1920. Britain had it before that in 1890 and Ancient Rome had it 2000 years ago.
        
        Those 3 are the most successful, scientifically advance civilisations in history. Coincidence ?
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        bollox.
        
        if you want to talk abotu it relatively, then the chinese had the most advanced society thousands of years opast.
        
        anyweay, we're not talking about scientifically advanced societies. We're taling about human life, and human society.
        
        The world in Terminator two looked pretty f**king scientifically advanced, but it didnt look too sweet for any humans, even the manager of barclays capital f.ucking markets.
        
        I think this shows how completely detached from ordinary reality you are you wannabe toff.
        
        Said it before and ill say it again, you're such a complete w@nker.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        The most successful scientifically advance society in history was Alexadria,Egypt couple of thousands years ago. But that another debate 😉
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Depends what you mean DB - it certainly had the best minds of a generation there for a time.
        As for your China reference RBJ - well it's partly true - however it is a bit too generalist for my taste. The Chinese fortunes ebbed and flowed according to the quality of their leader at the time, for example under Emperor Yongle, he commissioned Zheng He to go on a massive exploration and trade voyage, China was an open and scientific society, however when his son inherited he closed the borders up again and did not capitalise on Zheng He's voyages.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        auld yongie was a sound man 😀
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        Attila the Bum
        15 years, 24 days ago
        He was indeed. Zheng He was some dude though, he discovered Australia and potentially America before the Europeans. He was a eunuch too which must have been annoying when the rest of the lads were enjoying the local lasses 🙂
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        America certainly did not have unregulated laissez faire capitalism; rather it was run by government aided semi-monopolies (e.g., government funded transatlantic railway).
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Erm, transcontinental...Though trans-atlantic would be cool.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        yeah but it pretty much does, i know what you mean though
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        China is not going to burst, they are a combination of totalitarianism and free markets. They will drive their own policy to keep the markets from overheating. China is actually a perfect example of where hundreds of millions of people have benefitted of "capitalism".
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        The beneficiaries of China's policies are Americans. Most of China's population wallows in abject poverty.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        There's two sides of the coin, hundreds of millions of people have gone from poverty to middleclass in China after they introduced a form of free markets.
        
        Americans? Newflash for you... Most of the US treasury bonds are actually owned by China atm so it's China who's being the beneficiaries of the United States and not the other way around. I suggest you read some before sprouting out some nonsense the media have fed you.
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Chinese purchasing of US Treasuries to support the value of the Dollar was my point.
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        china is in the moiddle of a bubble, rates are close to ten percent. its gonna go boom soon, youll see.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Why don't you short some chinese stock then and make a killing?
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        Join us tomorrow when our topic will be 'Religion - which is the one true faith?'
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        Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        People don't borrow money in China at anywhere near the levels of the west. They do, however, have some slightly questionable explanations as to where the rich get their money from!
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        1966 was a great year for E…
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        This.
        
        Capitalism will only benefit the majority with a robust system of regulation - this idea that markets can and should dictate everything is a very modern idea brought about in the 70s by neo-liberals and monetarists like Milton Friedman.
        
        See Chile under Pinochet for how these people think capitalism should work. It's not good.
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        See any other country in South America during Pinochet's time for an argument FOR the Chilean model.
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    2. MAD
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Other countries(banks) are too big to fall though... at least for now they will keep on blowing more air into the debt bubble worldwide.
      
      It all boils down to the nature of the greedy homo sapiens. As long as all the people with the power profit from the system as it is now there will be no change... you watch.
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  3. njfsdkffslkf
    15 years, 24 days ago
    What do you say to the lower income mother with two kids who is having her child benefits and local facilities cut?
    
    Where was her hand in borrowing?
    
    I agree with many of your sentiments but you cant generalize like that on such a complex issue as last weeks protest.
    
    Although there is indeed a culture of blame without doubt
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    1. MAD
      15 years, 24 days ago
      Maybe she should contribute instead of getting pregrant twice and living off child support 😛 Harsh... but fair.
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      1. njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Why do you imply she is living merely off benefits. She could have part time job working on low income and receiving her entitled child benefit income.
        
        Mad come away from the dark side of that banking. We can save you yet! 😀
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I've never stepped to the dark side, but it's a big problem here in Finland where girls get pregnant in the suburbs at a young age and live off the social benefits for the rest of their life. They might even marry a guy who doesn't have a job and lives off the social support himself. Downfall of the wellfare system right there.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Yep but your not gona help people in that situation by making things worse.
        
        Besides I didnt mean to suggest this woman was on benefit. A working family still get child benefit.
        
        So where is there crime in the last 2-3 years? They are entitled to march
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Aye I get you... but when it's more profitable to get pregnant than get a job there's a big flaw in the system. Same goes for unemployed men who get 1000€/month as unemployment benefits just because they won't accept any job that is given to them.... it's bullshit that's what it is.
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        In a nutshell the system is wrong. Even when at its very best managed perfectly say China in the coming decades its still bunkum for me.
        
        Poverty will still exist. Tiny elite minority will get rich will the majority works for little to nothing. This is the system we champion based on an ideology which doesnt fit modern society
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        Scoredelario
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I think what MAD means is that the benefits system incentivises pregnancy in those who would otherwise steer clear of it.
        
        So that is a problem
        
        Perhaps the mum you speak of wouldn't have had 2 children if she knew it would lead to a much more difficult life. Instead, she knew she would actually earn more money by doing so.
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Why is she "entitled" to a portion of my paycheck for make poor life choices?
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        njfsdkffslkf
        15 years, 24 days ago
        There needs to be a fairer balance which rewards work but also looks after those in need.
        
        Not merely rewards corruption and laziness which is the current system. Cant see things changing
        
        People in power making so much money and a passive and to a large extinct ignorant electorate means things will remain the same
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      2. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        MAD, your dad could have done a legger after duffing your mother and your mother would have been in the same situation. Harsh, but fair.
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        MAD
        15 years, 24 days ago
        I guess I deserved that.. but see my post above to get my point.
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    2. Blue Teets
      15 years, 24 days ago
      All those benefits are giving to the honest hard-working mother is the money taxed from her wages.
      
      Money ALREADY owned by her.
      
      Let her keep all of it is the solution. Let her boss keep all of his too.
      
      The money saved will allow companies to give better wages and give them greater competitiveness in the market which drives down prices and drives up quality.
      
      That is the 19th century in a nutshell- Britain's most sucessful period.
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      1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        eyah when people worked 12 hour days 6 days a week with a rotten life-expectancy. sounds like heaven.
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        Blue Teets
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Your'e right, what they had before that was much better..
        
        No independence, hygiene, ambition and a life expectanacy of 34 years old to a disease which could be cured today with a pill.
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        Blue Teets
        15 years, 24 days ago
        *You're ffs
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        RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
        15 years, 24 days ago
        i think its fairly obvious that was a typo, seeing as i have the apostrophe in my posts above, you complete gobsite, scumbag, fukwit.
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        Was he not correcting his own post?
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        Old Dominion FC
        15 years, 24 days ago
        And before that they worked 16 hours a day
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Locarno
15 years, 24 days ago
I'm thinking water cannons are the answer, but maybe that's just me...
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1. 1966 was a great year for E…
  15 years, 24 days ago
  Nah, we sold all our water cannon to Libya, Yemen, Bahrain, Qatar - nice, democratic countries like that.
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Squerly4568
15 years, 24 days ago
any1 having a punt on ghana tonight?
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1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
  15 years, 24 days ago
  i have 30 quid on at 9/2
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  1. Squerly4568
    15 years, 24 days ago
    good stuff!
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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
      15 years, 24 days ago
      bout time england lsot- gareth barry as captain can only help
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Locarno
15 years, 24 days ago
Jesse Ryder? There's the game gone.
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