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19 December 2011 1158 comments
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Arsenal have this afternoon confirmed they are closely monitoring the proposed industrial strike action due to take place on the London Underground this Boxing Day.

With the Gunners set to face Wolves at 3pm that day, the club have made supporters aware via their official website that, in the event of a strike, any decision as to whether the match goes ahead will be made with the public’s safety in mind. Both Arsenal and Wolves are already liaising with the relevant authorities ahead of any announcement.

Chelsea also have a home game that day, with Fulham due to travel to Stamford Bridge and although the club have yet to comment, reports over the weekend have suggested both these matches could conceivably be at risk if the strike goes ahead.

At the moment, this is just a heads-up. We must stress that nothing has been finalised either way but Fantasy managers should at least be aware over a possible postponement on the horizon.

With Man United and Liverpool hosting Wigan and Blackburn that Gameweek and with Spurs taking a trip to Norwich, there would be plenty other strong options available if the games are called off. Owners of Chelsea and Arsenal assets face a real quandary, though- with both clubs at home to Aston Villa and QPR respectively on New Year’s Eve, would getting rid for one gameweek be the sensible option?

Plenty to mull over, then, and, added to this is the possibility of a double gameweek for both London clubs if the matches are indeed cancelled, it’s fair to say we’ll be keeping a keen eye open for any update.

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  1. LarkyTown
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Monday dinner time and the Head to Heads STILL havent been updated yet?

    I just cant believe that it can take so long to do some additions and then re-sort a couple of hundred thousand leagues?

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    1. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Bet you know your result already though

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  2. sushi36
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    suarez as captain against wigan good or bad idea? had considered ba but hes not scoring, and VP but villa away might not be the easiest!

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    1. encored
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      good idea. just hope he's not banned before that

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    2. Epic Fail
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      Suarez has barely been scoring all season.

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    3. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Wigan have got a lot tougher to beat all of a sudden, watch their 1-1 against Chelsea. Pressed really well and probably played better. Against a wasteful team like Pool/Suarez, don't expect lots of goals

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  3. Rocky
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    RMT please:
    Vorm
    simspon baines jones
    drenthe bale mata nani
    rvp adebayor ba

    bench: westwood evans neil taylor ferguson

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  4. Leaf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Vorm ruddy
    Jagelka walker jones (Naylor mcauley)
    Nani VDV Bale mata (Ben arfa)
    Rvp sturridge welbeck
    What do you think

    1 welbeck – best (leaving cash for Ben arfa – Walters next week)

    2 4 point hit do to welbeck – ba & ben arfa – shelvey

    3 do nothing

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    1. Funkyav
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      3

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  5. emperikal
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Haven't made any transfers this week and thinking I'll just stick and save 2 for next week but I'm having a little difficulty deciding on who to bench. Currently I have it as:

    G: Krul

    D: Jones - Jagielka - Evans

    M: Silva - Nani - VDV - Drenthe

    F: RVP - Ba - Adebayor

    B: Vorm, Enrique, Gower, Tierney

    Who do I bench to bring Enrique in? Probably end up (C) Ba again even though he failed to deliver last week. He's at the heart of everything NC do and easily could have bagged a couple last week.

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    1. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Bench Jagielka, seriously. I do not trust Everton one bit.

      RVP (C) - got to watch Villa to believe how bad they are.

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      1. emperikal
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers for the reply. Ya I think thats a good shout. Everton has brought me nothing but pain over the past few years lol.

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        1. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          lol as a fan or an FPL player? 😀

          Just cannot trust them, I mean I support Arsenal and people think it's been bad this season, but at least we went on a run of sorts.

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  6. sushi36
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    is suarez as captain against wigan good or bad idea? had considered ba but hes not scoring, and VP but villa away might not be the easiest!

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    1. villian-ty
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      villa havent kept a cleansheet against any of the top 10 teams this season.

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    2. msimms89
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Ba not scoring? He was unlucky this week (hit the post, etc) and scored 2 the week before.

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      1. Sons Of Pitches
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        scored 11 in 11 but clearly thats not enough and should have bagged a hattrick at weekend too.

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        1. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          The disaster was of FPL player's own making, all that expectation for one match against a team he'd never played before ... same for his team.

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    3. Bench pony warmer
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      always think it is mistake to risk captain on forward who isnt scoring much even if playing well.
      Got to think if Lpool ran over villa then arsenal can do more with v persie

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    4. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I might consider Suarez captain. He was very unlucky against Villa, hit the woodwork twice.

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  7. tris
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    What ye think of my team?

    Vorm/Given

    Taylor Enrique Richards Jones Walker

    Silva Bale Song Sessegnon Nani

    Ba RVP Sturridge

    Coming first in all my leagues and got 74 points for gw 16 - not bad!

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    1. Bench pony warmer
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      first in overall league?

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      1. tris
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        ha no mate..first in all my own leagues..think 514th overall in uk.

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        1. Bench pony warmer
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          nice team though, you thinking about moving any out

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    1. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      If that happens on Wednesday I quit this game!

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      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Googled Ba Hamstring

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      2. tris
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        its more than a gameeeee! lol

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  8. Kurtd
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    14 years, 3 months ago

    I notice a serious lack of Man City defenders in most RMT's this evening. Is this just coz of price?

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    1. msimms89
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      14 years, 3 months ago

      That and 1 cs in the last 9 games.

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  9. gunner1994
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Dyer Brown ---> Dempsey Evans?

    How long is Bale injured for?

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    1. Screaming Midget
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Any other defenders before Brown?

      Sunderland do face QPR, Wigan, SWANSEA NORWICH before final WC chance, so not the worst.

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  10. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    repost

    ok folks here is my dilema. (team is linked)

    I have 1 FT which I plan to save this week giving 2 ready for the great looking GW18. I will need to replace the Yak that GW. My first thought was Bale out (as my main rival has him) for a 5.3 or less mid and Hernandez in for Yak, but then there is DGW to consider. I have 0.7 in bank, so, unless I downgrade somewhere I have 6.4 to spend on a striker, and am struggling to see who to get. Plan to do Ba – Studge in GW19, so he is not in my thoughts. Any help would be appreciated. Only way I could Rooney would be to do BAE - Caulker, Bale - Gower and Yak to Rooney for a 4 point hit. If you don't think I should lose Bale, what striker do I get?

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    1. zyad947
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Dont take any hits. Blackburn against bolton could see Yak score. Do Rooney transfer nxt week.

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Either way I'd have to be a hit that's 3 transfers in 2 weeks. Rooney transfer will not be until next week, but I'd still have to take Bale, and I think getting Caulker and Gower is too much Swans, when I can just get Hernandez. Damn it I'm totally not sure here.

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    2. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      too. much. info. at. once.

      can't you simplify it so it's a little more to the point?

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        right I'll bullet point it

        *Don't want to do any transfers this week to give myself 2 next week

        *Need to take Yak out after Bolton, but would only have 6.4 million to spend right now and don't see many great options.

        *Am considering doing Bale -5.3 or less mid to get Hernandez in for Yak (for no hit) or BAE-Caulker this week, then Bale - Gower and Yak - Rooney next week for 4 point hit

        *Am looking for alternatives.

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          spreading it out over a few weeks and ending up with Rooney seems a good bet.

          lack of decent

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            lack of decent what? if you mean Chelsea coverage, I plan on Ba - Studge in GW19.

            But not having Bale worries me even though I'd still have 2 Spurs players for DGW

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        2. Compulsive Transfer Policy
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Save your transfer then next week get rid of VDV for Etherington and that will give you enough funds to do Yak > Hernandez. VDV will get rested at some point and for the DGW he will most likely play one of those games. Stoke have 2 games @ home and then have nice fixtures ahead. Walters is a better bet but you don't have enough funds.

          I did a crazy one this week VDV > Drenthe which I don't recommend that haha. That gives me enough funds for Yaks > Hernandez next week.

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            don't want to lose my VdV differential if I can help it.

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      2. tris
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        exactly what i was thinking. JKISTHE1, pull yourself together man! haha. what is your team and what is the problem?

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          errr....try reading the post and advising, Tris.

          you are, after all, number #1 in all leagues 😀

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          1. tris
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            That is true. gather around my little chicks and hear me speak.err still cant decipher your message JK...I got as afar your 2nd point and I really dont know what your talking about mate... try to write it, not speak it man haha.

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            1. JK - Cønt ⭐
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              how simple do you want it??

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              1. tris
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 3 months ago

                ha fair point but this makes no sense when we're reading it "Am considering doing Bale -5.3 or less mid to get Hernandez in for Yak (for no hit) or BAE-Caulker this week, then Bale – Gower and Yak – Rooney next week for 4 point hit" ..? Id say keep Yak this week, he's a good bet against Bolton and next week dump him for another striker or midfielder as the top teams wil be rotating. Song is a good bet or even Arteta. Arsenal will go on a good run so will Utd and Liverpools adam or shelvey look handy too. Rooney is a well safe bet.

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                1. JK - Cønt ⭐
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  14 years, 3 months ago

                  Right I was always keeping Yak this week. It's just about finding a replacement for him (how can I transfer out a striker to a mid?) Rooney will decimate my team for DGW but he's the best option vs Wigan and Blackburn and worth the hit IMO, WC is only 2 weeks away after that can find a workable team after that.

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        2. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          see above. Team is linked

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  11. Cheggers
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Suggestions for team?

    Vorm (Ruddy)
    Kompany, Smalling, Simpson (McAuley, Brown)
    Nani, Bale, Lennon, Sinclair (Moses)
    RVP (c), Rooney (v), Sturridge

    Lennon is coming out.

    who to bring in? Drenthe is the easy option, and if I get him I might play Ruddy over Vorm.

    However, thinking about a gamble A Johnson or Milner instead tho... what do you think?

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    1. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I'd get Walters. If you look past GW17 they have 2 very good home fixtures and at 6.7 he is still a great choice as he is a 6.7 OOP penalty taker.

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    2. Call Me Old Fashioned
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Lennon to Walters or Larsson, Silva or Yaya only safe bet from City mid.

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    3. MJonno_79
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Walters imo

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  12. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Thoughts on these transfers over the next two weeks

    GW17: Bale to Nani
    GW18: Welbeck to Suarez and Mata to Walters

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    1. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I lose 0.4 shipping Bale, whats Your pain?

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      1. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        I lose nothing as I got him when he decided to stop scoring points.

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          indeed, why I'm looking to take him out, if only I had enough to do a straight swap from Yak - Rooney.

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    2. Ravanelli
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      not sure about Suarez, so frustrating owning him, keep Mata, buy Studge or Ba

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  13. Call Me Old Fashioned
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Vorm
    Enrique Jones Simpson (Brown BAE)
    Drenthe Silva Nani (Walters Dyer)
    RVP Ade Ba

    2.9M in bank. Would you:

    1 – Save FT – if so who to play Walters or Brown
    2 – Dyer—>Shelvey/Gower until WC
    3 – Brown—>Evans

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    1. Cheggers
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Id save it and play Walters

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      1. Declan
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        +1.

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      2. Call Me Old Fashioned
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers cheggers!

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    2. zyad947
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Dyer to brunt/Eagles?

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      1. Call Me Old Fashioned
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        gosh no, do not want either of them at all. Brunt is tempting me but I have had too much pain before with him

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  14. Blando
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Just done Ade + Baines > Rooney + Caulker. What was I thinking... 🙂

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I want points and a Everton defender will not do that for me?

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      1. Blando
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Cue Baines assist, penalty and CS.

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        1. Grimes
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          God I hope so. It's only a matter of time for Baines surely

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    2. Ravanelli
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      fair enough, will be fine 🙂

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    3. On the hunt for bandwagons …
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      I'm weighing up the same transfer but maybe Shotton instead of Caulker as I already have Swans coverage at the back with SuperVorm. I think with upcoming Wigan and Blackburn home games getting Rooney in should pay off.

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  15. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Points Predictions -

    Vorm
    Enrique | Evans | Vermaelen
    Sliva | Bale | Nani | Mata
    Ba | Adebayor | RVP(C)

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    1. encored
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      61

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  16. encored
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    What are the chances of Shelvey starting against Wigan!!!! Any insights

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    1. Isabella
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Wish I knew, I'd get him in an instant!

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      1. sotothemightygreek
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        I doubt he'll start. I'd be very surprised if Carroll doesn't play against Wigan so unless Suarez is banned I think he hasn't got much chance.

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  17. ⭐ ABHISHEK - THE CURIOUS …
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    So the injury list piles up....

    i am having dyer and Bale....

    Will bale play the match ?

    Or i am thinking of Bale ➡ Valencia dyer ➡ Gomez

    next week

    Ba ➡ Adebayor

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  18. SvenGoranErskine
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    My first post... ever!

    Krul
    Jones, Kompany, Enrique, Simpson
    Bale, Silva, Nani
    Ade, RVP(c), Ba (v)

    (Vorm, Walters, Brown, Dyer)

    1FT + 1.1 in the bank

    Thinking
    (A) Kompany > Verm
    (B) Brown > Caulker + Dyer > Drenthe for a 4pt hit
    (C) Save
    (D) Other

    Thinking hurts

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    1. encored
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      i don read long posts but reading it as ur name sounds familiar :). I'd say save it for this time being

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    2. JapBen
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Well I have Brown and I am thinking of Brown -> Evans

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    3. gravless
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      c

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    4. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Out of them... C

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    5. reply fail
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      A

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  19. tevezthetroll
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Need some advice on this weeks double GW on the Sky Fantasy Football. Opens 2moro and closes Boxing Day.

    I have narrowed my captain choices to the following

    Rooney @ Fulham & (H) to Wigan
    RVP @ Villa & (H) to Wolves
    Silva (H) to Stoke & @ West Brom

    Am I right to go with Rooney seeing as he is the least likely to be rested and the second fixture is the best of the 6 games.

    Please comment

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    1. encored
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      but with Hernandez back, he might not play up front.. Go for RVP

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      1. tevezthetroll
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        You don't think Wenger will rest him in one of the Xmas fixtures?

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    2. Jayke
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Who to captain this week?

      Rooney @ Fulham (A)
      RVP @ Aston Villa (A)
      Silva @ Stoke (H)
      BA @ West Brom (H)

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      1. tevezthetroll
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        I like RVP @ Villa

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      2. JapBen
        • 15 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        RVP

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      3. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        RVP nobrainer

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        1. Funkyav
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          errr RVP everytime

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  20. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    A) Evans & Mata
    or
    B) Jones & 7.5 midfeilder ?

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      a

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    2. JapBen
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      A

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    3. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      A +42

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  21. JapBen
    • 15 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Current team:
    Vorm
    Enrique, BAE , Vermaelen Richards
    VDV (VC), Silva, Drenthe
    RVP©, Sturridge, Adebayor
    Subs: Ruddy, Brown, Sinclair, Walters

    I have 2 FT and 0.9M in the bank, any changes that you’d recommend?
    Thinking of Brown to Evans and then playing Evans over BAE and saving the other transfer

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  22. onionbarje
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Captain Poll

    A.Bale
    B.Baines
    C.Ba
    D.Sturridge
    E.Walcott

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    1. JapBen
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Ba

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    2. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Ba

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    3. Compulsive Transfer Policy
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      F. RVP

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  23. MJonno_79
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Why do people have to strike. Think yourselves lucky you've got a job and get in with it.
    Probably not the first person to say this I know but still has to be said

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    1. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Maybe employers should start thinking themselves lucky they have employees and treat them right?

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    2. Ravanelli
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      totally, the wages they earn!

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      1. Funkyav
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        Isacki - do u actually understand the situation at all?

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        1. sachmo
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          I do - what is wrong with his point of view?

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        2. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Of course not. Of course I have no idea the employer is the government. Of course I have no idea the government wants to change their pension terms as part of their austerity drive. Of course I will not feel the slightest bit of humanity for the lives of other people just like you and me.

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    3. tangtastic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      they strike because they're not being treated fairly. They have a right to be annoyed if their livelihoods and pensions are being messed with... especially when you consider that banking bonuses have returned to previous levels, and in many cases risen. Which is absolutely insane when you think about why we are in this situation in the first place.

      Having a couple of football games postponed is irrelevant when you consider the tens of thousands of families that'll be affected by the disproportionate affect that this economic crisis is having on middle/lower middle/lower income families.

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      1. Funkyav
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        except they are incredibl;y well paid and have good pensions for a job that requires no academic qualifications and little training. The unions are too strong and the management/govt are weak which has created the inbalance. Other public sector workers (police/nurses) have far harsher wporking conditions and do not strike.

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        1. sachmo
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Do you even understand the context that this situation is unfolding in?

          Think London Underground bankers are underpaid? Look at what bankers are paid.
          Think unions are too strong? Look first at the power of the financial sector.
          Think there is an imbalance between the two parties here? Look at the extraordinary imbalance in income between the haves and have nots in our society.

          That's what we should be upset about, not some poor underground workers exercising their right to withdraw their labour (and not get paid for the pleasure of it).

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          1. Funkyav
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            irrelevant about the bankers as they are in the private sector. yes it is sickening what bankers earn but I can point to another 10 jobs that pay way over the odds.

            Train drivers are very well paid for a job that anyone can do.

            They just want a day off and know they can get away with it.

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            1. sachmo
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              Their day off is unpaid, and so I doubt that time off is a primary consideration.

              It's not irrelevant, I'm afraid, what bankers are paid. It's absurd that you get upset about relatively badly paid workers withdrawing their labour, as is their hard-won right, and seem to think that the chaos in the private sector is irrelevant?

              It's entirely relevant, as you cannot separate what's going on here - a result of austerity measures and so on - from what caused it i.e. the banking crash (largely).

              If you feel like getting upset about something, look at the systemic inequalities that are becoming so obvious as of late, and let the train driver have his say.

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      2. David Davros
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 3 months ago

        The banking thing is so overstated it's starting to really annoy me. The vast majority of them aren't paid insane bonuses, it's a select few. And investment banking is an unbelievably demanding job to go into, in terms of stress levels and working hours.Most (not all) public sector require alot less in terms of work - I've worked in the public sector before and all my family do so speaking from experience. Banking sounds absolutely horrific to me, and there is not a chance in hell i'd go down that road - I don't know why so much is being made of it, they don't have it that good.

        There are so many people on disproportionate wages, footballers being one of the worst culprits - bankers work much harder for their money and contribute alot more back in taxes. It's just the buzzword at the moment - 'tax the bankers'

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        1. David Davros
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Would like to clarify, I support the strikes - I think the government is doing a lousy job and I wish taxes were a bit more progressive. But the bankers are becoming too much of a scapegoat now, in general. Need regulation, but that isn't the bankers problem, its a much bigger problem. Also I'd happily see public sector workers be in a better situation, but just as much like to see some of the public sector inefficiencies cut out that simply wouldn't happen in the private sector - if they did that the government probably wouldn't need to be cutting pensions.

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        2. Funkyav
          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          exactly Shogun - unfortunately a lot of people get there opinions from whichever paper they read.

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        3. UnderstandablyDistraught
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Banks pay incredibly little in taxes in proportion to the profit they make. The same can be said of most large, corporate enterprises. That is a fact. Please, spare me the downtrodden, hardworking banker idea. You are being absurd.

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          1. David Davros
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            That's not even remotely what I said. I'm saying people need some context. They are overpaid, but they are also overworked. If it's such a cushty job then why don;t people do it? I have the academic ability/qualifications - I wouldn't go near that job because it's just too demanding. Point I'm making is that the majority of them earn their money, and aren't earning millions like the papers would have you believe.

            It is too much, but only in the same way that accountants, lawyers, doctors, consultants etc. are all earning too much.

            Yes banks pay incredibly little in proportion to what they earn, I wish they were taxed more. But I just don't see how they've turned into public enemy number one ahead of say, premiership footballers, who contribute much less proportionately, and earn significantly more.

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        4. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          The problem, at least for me, is not that some people are paying ridiculous salaries to people. If they want to, fine, it's private economic transactions and none of my business. I only give a crap because they have taken public money. They have taken a risk, buggered up royally, got bailed out and not responded by taking care of public money. Until the day that not a drop of public money is lost on them, I will continue to care.

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          1. isacki: full casual
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            Look up "moral hazard" if you're not familiar with the term. That is what the banking industry essentially is guilty of. Speculating, but ultimately speculating with public money because of the guarantee they will be bailed out because of the massive consequences of them failing. If you're okay with that, fine, but I don't think most people are.

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            1. isacki: full casual
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              And finally, the perception that the public sector is inefficient is as much a media stereotype as the bankers being evil. Find an actual person who's a public sector worker, a friend or something. Talk to them. Get an idea of how much they're actually paid, the work they're put under particularly as the cuts grow, and also how their remuneration is suffering with pay freezes, pension cuts and the like. Then you can think if the public sector is at fault.

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              1. David Davros
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 3 months ago

                I worked in the public sector for 6 years, my mum, dad and sister have their entire working lives. I assure you I'm not getting that from the media. All of them, and me have moaned about lazy people sitting in a public sector job that can't do their job but can't be let go because of drawn out disciplinary procedures and unions.

                I added that I support the public sector because I also know people that are overworked and underpaid, and I'm not gonna write everyone off because of some freeloaders. But believe me I'm not coming at this from a position of ignorance. I worked in a theatre that bled money for years without anyone doing anything about it, and having worked in the private sector too I simply refuse to accept that that would have happened there.

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                1. isacki: full casual
                  • 14 Years
                  14 years, 3 months ago

                  Well fair enough, there are good apples and there are bad apples. We can agree there are responsible bankers and irresponsible bankers. There are also responsible public sector workers and irresponsible public sector workers. And no matter who someone is, we'd want to encourage the responsible and punish the irresponsible.

                  I also support people like you and your family because you provide a service for the country. The results are pretty clear. At least in theory it's a noble pursuit. And in the main, aside from some bad apples, I think you work hard and are paid less. In contrast, the pursuit of profit is less clearcut, not that I denounce it because it gets a lot of stuff done.

                  I graduated from a uni in London that sends a lot of people to banks and know a good number of bankers myself. I know they work bloody hard and have to think about their job literally all the time. So I empathize with them. The important thing is that their banks didn't get bailed out.

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            2. David Davros
              • 16 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              No but that's unfair. You wouldn't go to your GP and start calling him out on what Harold Shipman got up to, would you? Some banks did nothin wrong, have been investing wisely and turning a healthy profit, why shouldn't they pay their workers hard - to reiterate, most bankers work absurd hours.

              The issue at hand is that the industry should be more tightly regulated, which should happen. But you can't go round tarring everyone with the same brush based on the actions of a couple of banks.

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              1. isacki: full casual
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 3 months ago

                Again...

                "The problem, at least for me, is not that some people are paying ridiculous salaries to people. If they want to, fine, it’s private economic transactions and none of my business. I only give a crap because they have taken public money.."

                My complaints are only restricted to private sector individuals (not just banks) that take public sector money. Those banks that didn't you talk about, fine. But there are several elephants in the room that did and that's the problem.

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                1. David Davros
                  • 16 Years
                  14 years, 3 months ago

                  Well that's fair enough, and I agree. But people aren;t complaining about that, they're complaining about the wages that ALL bankers earn, they have become so vilified in the media that people write them off without even knowing which were the ones that f**ked up...

                  Just the same as I wish the public sector could sort out it's elephants in the room, of which there certainly are - see above.

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                  1. isacki: full casual
                    • 14 Years
                    14 years, 3 months ago

                    Yeah... I do wish we'd do NHS IT properly lol. Rearrange the HS and SH!

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        5. applebonkers
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          • 16 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          thought footballers pay like 50% tax, and either way isn't it just proportional to income?

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        6. sachmo
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 3 months ago

          Wrong, wrong, wrong.

          You may be right that it's a bit of a bandwagon, but it's an entirely fair one.

          The financial crisis was caused by the idiotic actions of people in the financial sector. To date, there has been no apology, no recriminations of any sort, no steps taken to ensure it will not happen again.

          Investment banking does not require a great intellect - it does require greed / a willingness to give up your life, essentially, in pursuit of money. Hence the long hours and so on - it's a filtering mechanism, designed to get people who might not think money is the be all and end all out of the system. Not to mention that there are probably a number of people working just as hard in more deserving careers who get paid a fraction of what some bankers do.

          Footballers are indeed paid too much, but they haven't, to date, caused a world financial crisis that is affecting us all. You underestimate the power and influence of the financial sector if you think it's just a buzzword - something needs to be done about it, that's the reality of the situation.

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          1. David Davros
            • 16 Years
            14 years, 3 months ago

            I think you're a bit hasty to call me out as being wrong, seeing as if I don;t disagree with a lot of what you say. I consider myself to be pretty left, but I am trying to present a balanced view here which seems to be eluding plenty who draw for the 'tax the bankers' card.

            Firstly, i disagree with the idea banking doesnt require intellect, most people who do it have a good degree with numerical content, that already puts them in the higher bracket I imagine. Next they have to be driven yeah, but also hard working - not to be sniffed at. There are certainly people equally hard working doing less well paid jobs, I'd say my mum as a teacher in a special measures school is one of them - so I sympathise.

            I'm reasonably close to some pretty big financial institutions so know a fair bit about their influence, and as I said above i'm all in favour of tighter regulations and controls.

            That's a different thing entirely to decrying all bankers villains and saying they don't deserve their money. Some people are doing that with little to no knowledge on the subject. It also makes me laugh when my hippy mates complain about it who can;t hold down a part time job for 5 minutes because they haven't got the commitment - too right those people don;t deserve as much money as the bankers.

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            1. isacki: full casual
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              By the way, Adebayor to Yakubu for a hit anyone?

              LOL.... sorry!

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              1. David Davros
                • 16 Years
                14 years, 3 months ago

                Definitely not!

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            2. sachmo
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 3 months ago

              Let's agree to agree then 😉

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    4. UnderstandablyDistraught
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      You're right, it does have to be said but only so that idea can be considered and then put on the scrapheap where it belongs.

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  24. Cheggers
    • 16 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Any update on the baines yellow card situation?

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    1. gravless
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      8)

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    2. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Wahaayyy! Lol.

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    3. AP
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      You dog.

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  25. Isabella
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    I might captain Vermaelen this week. Clean sheet and Villa can't defend from corners at all.

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    1. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Given the way Villa defended corners against Liverpool Verm could be a bloody good captain this week. Don't like not having him one bit.

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    2. Mull
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      It could work well but I wouldn't want to risk it as Arsenal have 3 CB's and Miquel in defence and Agbonlahor is back from suspension this week.

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  26. DV8R
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    How nailed on is Valencia? Is he likely to play through December?

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  27. NANI screamer screaming !!!
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    in how much time scout picks or dream team will come ??

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    1. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      Probably tomorrow afternoon, at a guess.

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    2. JapBen
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 3 months ago

      fpl dream team is already up

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  28. div
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone agree with Bale > Drenthe?

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  29. cravencottage
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 3 months ago

    Thoughts please
    A) BAE and Mata
    or
    B) Vermalean and Drenthe

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