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Monday Dugout Discussion – Gameweek 1

20 August 2012 2179 comments
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It’s the first Monday Night Football installment of the season, and we’re at Goodison Park to see Everton host Manchester United. The build-up to this game has surrounded around the arrival of Robin van Persie at Manchester United, and how he would feature this evening. The Dugout Discussion is open and the eagerly anticipated team news is in…

Everton XI: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Neville, Osman, Fellaini, Pienaar, Gibson, Jelavic.

Man United XI: De Gea, Valencia, Vidic, Carrick, Evra, Cleverley, Kagawa, Scholes, Nani, Welbeck, Rooney.

Sir Alex Ferguson chooses to start just one of his two major signings, and it’s the Japanese playmaker Shinji Kagawa that makes his United debut. It’s a makeshift defence with Antonio Valencia and Michael Carrick filling the gaps. Robin van Persie starts on the bench.

As for the hosts, David Moyes names a familiar looking side, leaving new signing Steven Naismith on the bench.

Follow all the action as it unfolds in our Dugout Discussion chatroom, which is open and can be accessed right here.

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  1. isacki: full casual
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Verdict from a Gooner...

    In attacking performance I saw a few similarities between you and Arsenal:
    - 4-2-3-1, but wingers were letdowns.
    - Man in the hole was the only significant creator. Both (Cazorla and Kagawa) passed well but were let down by those around him
    - Passing was too slow
    - Crossing was awful
    - Not enough movement
    - Attacking players dropped back into midfield because they weren't getting service

    The difference was that Sunderland parked the bus from the start, whereas Everton looked to dominate midfield, score, then park the bus.

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    1. riot
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I was thinking United were playing like Arsenal too. If I was a United fan I'd be tearing my hair out...

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Awful crossing = Nani + Valencia at rb. These mistakes will be corrected v Fulham

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        With Rafael RB and Valencia RW. I can see that

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          13 years, 7 months ago

          yeah I would think so.

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  2. mufc802
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    13 years, 7 months ago

    United need to lineup like this against Fulham

    -----------de Gea
    Rafael Rio Vidic Evra
    ----Carrick Cleverley
    -----------Kagawa
    Valencia RVP Rooney

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    1. King Eric, in America
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Rio's 4-week injury to be resolved by next week?

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      1. mufc802
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        4 weeks? damn we really need someone other than Carrick in CB

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    2. DLL18
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Rio's injured

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    3. Scroobius Mac
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Rio's injured.

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    4. alsybach
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      i am sure sir alex will be haning on to every word..............

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    5. Chazza
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      I posted this a while back as a set-up against the big teams but it'll be a standard 442 at home I reckon.

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    6. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Rio is out for a month or so isn't he?

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      1. sotothemightygreek
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        A Ferguson month

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    7. Smakies
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      rio won't be playing, other than that seems ok

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    8. Sarnab
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      +1

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    9. Bøwstring The Carp
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      +1 but Rio is still injured so carrick has to be CB, Scholes in CM then.

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    10. hillbillypete
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Urgh......this forum may as well be red not green.....altho its green tonight 😉

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    11. Parm
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I never knew wheelchairs were permitted on the pitch....

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  3. Gaz Downright
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    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    It does not happen often in football, but

    Fellaini 10/10

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    1. Bøwstring The Carp
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      +1 fantastic performance

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      1. GREENDREAMS11
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Agreed, Everton were great, played really well and created plenty chances. They could easily have had 3 or 4 on the night. Still don't understand Fergie not signing another CB. I know he's got Evans and Rio but I think they are still 1 short there

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    2. Revival
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      It was an 8.8 actually but yeah what a performance.

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      1. Gaz Downright
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        If you remove all the Liverpool fans voting 1, you would have a 10

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    3. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I makes me wonder what his best postion is? He seems to be able to play everywhere.
      Looks like he will get Cahill's old role?
      Shame I picked Pienaar (Although I thought he played well).

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  4. B.P.R.D.
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    13 years, 7 months ago

    Well, the aftermath then is I'm just going to hold off on a United striker for another week and replace one of my other Chelsea players with someone that I didn't think I was going to be able to get for a while.

    *Shrug*

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  5. Ram It
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    13 years, 7 months ago

    is this jenkinson going to be a regular for arsenal or is sagna/ Koscielny coming back soon?

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  6. The Bandit
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    13 years, 7 months ago

    Utd will get plenty of goals this season but I ain’t spending that sort of money on trying to guess who will get them.....So many cheaper options with a good chance of better returns.. 😐

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    1. Timmy Cahill Rules
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      + 1

      rooney and RVP are too expensive

      and the midfield is a mine field

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    2. Cannon
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      SO who would you be backing from the cheaper options?

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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        13 years, 7 months ago

        Michu

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    3. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Agreed 100% this is what I realised at the start of the season. Petric, Graham, Jelavic, and Bent all look good options for the next few weeks.

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    4. Liquid_Shano
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Man U team slots to be occupied by DDG, Vidic, and Evra

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  7. Indalo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    DDG Federici
    Cole Zabaleta Hangeland Clyne Demel
    Cazorla Maloney Noble Yaya Lampard
    Torres Graham Aguero

    0.5 in the bank

    Aguero ➡ Tevez good use of my transfer?

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  8. Sergio Giorgini
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Right, just logging in for the evening. Presumably there's a Fellaini bandwagon in full swing, marching band n all?

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    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      orchestra

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    2. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      String quartet and everything 😛

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  9. Vpan
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Is Aguero falling tonight?

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    1. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      i think so

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    2. Indalo
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      don''t think so, only on 54% on totalFPL

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      1. Vpan
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        but -108% in fiso?

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    3. jimski
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Probably.

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  10. gunnerlover
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Hate to be pedantic, but BBC and SKY stats both say Everton have had 6 shots on target, so why has De Gea only scored 3 points and not 4. It's these silly little things that add up and over a season and cost you places

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    1. MARVELLUS
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      one was the goal??

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      1. kennethrhcp
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        🙂

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      2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        13 years, 7 months ago

        hehe

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      3. gunnerlover
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Lol yeah obviously what happened but every outlet seems to have different stats

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    2. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      defender blocked shots?

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    3. King Eric, in America
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Because FPl doesn't use those stats? And because not every shot on target is saved?

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    4. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      A shot on target can be blocked by a def...

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    5. gunnerlover
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      According to radio 5 they actually had 8 on target, who to believe!

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    6. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Does bar count as on or off target?

      Off I guess?

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      1. gunnerlover
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Off, yeah

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        You should know. You are a Liverpool supporter. 😉

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        1. Gaz Downright
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          • 15 Years
          13 years, 7 months ago

          HAHA

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      3. mgrea
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Off

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  11. Grounderz
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Fellaini's next 7 games - 5 away and 2 home. 🙁

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    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      hes not fpl quality

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    2. hillbillypete
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      which shud see him play behind striker

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  12. DRIZ ✅
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    13 years, 7 months ago

    im thinking 5-0 to utd backlash coming up against fulham.

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    1. hillbillypete
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      im thinkin of playin petric against an out of sorts vidic and carrick pairing.

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      1. jimski
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        +1

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      2. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        ^^^^ this.

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      3. afcblegend
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        2 things to consider at first:

        1) Fulham away from home.
        2) Fulham away from home at Old Trafford.

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  13. Munsoned
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    hmm want RVP, but his price weakens the team, worth it?

    A) Pog, Torres --> stick with Pog, RVP?

    B) Pog, Torres --> Graham, Rooney?

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    1. Dragon Arcana
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      B

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  14. the axolotl
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    i'm looking at fiso on the price rises bit and it says a target NTI of 170260. can this be correct? or are they still working on it? i can take getting stung on aguero but dont want a double sting on tevez rising

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    1. moment
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Still working on it. I got stung on Michu last night.

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  15. joinho
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Anyone know were the predicted price rises/drops section has gone on the http://totalfpl.com/ site?

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    1. DLL18
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      They're working on it, should be up soon.

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    2. Indalo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      http://development.totalfpl.com/pricechanges

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    3. Keano
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Here, http://development.totalfpl.com/pricechanges 🙂

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      1. joinho
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks

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    4. the axolotl
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      yeah just looked for it, maybe they've made it a members only thing?

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  16. Scratch
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Great performance by Everton they fully deserved that win. Thought Kagawa looked quite promising, tidy player with an eye for an incisive pass. Definitely one for the watchlist.

    Now to more important matters......Man U are 9/4 to win the league. Pretty good for a 2 horse race. Would they have lost the league last season with Vidic and RVP.. I think not. I'm sticking a few quid on it.

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    1. jamsiep
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Not so great when it's a two horse race they're not involved in.

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      1. Scratch
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Lol I like Chelsea and would love to see them do it, but they haven't a hope when they're relying on Torres and Studge up top.

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    2. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Not a bad bet at all, if I was a betting-person I would probably join you as it seems a reasonable risk.

      But still you have to take into consideration that Vidic wasn't suffering from anorexia last season, could make a large difference.

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  17. FPLCEO
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Kagawa was like a Japanese Fabregas tonight......loving his game. No United investment for me at this point but by Christmas we will have a team full of them!

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    1. DRIZ ✅
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      great player just unlucky night.

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  18. MARVELLUS
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Anyone know how you join a Football Club's league?
    I've put West Ham down as the club i support, but am not in their league?

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  19. Gargamel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    So, eeeh, if you lot go to the Status page on FPL and click "My points" in the stats banner, below 'GAMEWEEK 1' and just aboze 'PRIZES', does that take you to your own team? Because I keep getting redirected to some Jack Hodgson and Darrell Hutchins.... :O

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Mine goes to Shaun Easton. I'm not Shaun Easton...

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    2. ReinaMan
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Took me to some random person as well

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  20. Chazza
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    I've broken the 30 point barrier! I must be one of the top scorers tonight with 9 🙂

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    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      I did that with Ivanovic plus Lescott...

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  21. Smakies
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Do you people think Kaca will start against Utd ?

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    1. Fifa las vegas
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      yes

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  22. aflickering
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    i genuinely believe carrick + cleverley would've done no better at CM than scholes + cleverley did tonight. just throwing that out there. scholes is a better passer than carrick when pressed, although carrick is better positionally and would've intercepted a few more balls i suppose....

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    1. LMNO
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      carrick better positionally than scholes??

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      1. aflickering
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        i would certainly say so, yeah. more mobile, and he's been honing that position in front of the back four for years, whereas scholes has only adopted it intermittently and mainly late in his career. there's a reason why carrick plays centre back sometimes and scholes never does.

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        1. aflickering
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 7 months ago

          (aside from scholes' shitty tackling i mean :P)

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  23. gdog2244
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    who should i get as my third striker besides RVP??? i have tevez and petric.

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    1. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Maybe,Giroud or Podolski, or Else Ba and the next spurs striker

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    2. Revival
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Based on next 2 fixtures Defoe or Graham. caution on Defoe if spurs sign a new striker.

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      1. GREENDREAMS11
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Considered both and would really like Defoe as a diff but it's the proposed transfer that put me off

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  24. JayBomb
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Fergie killing me have Rafael and Valencia? What is the general feeling for Saturday will Rafael start???

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      rafael should start. fergie will want goals and would put valencia in mid

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      1. bazrah99
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        +1

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  25. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    I think, eventually, I may have to fire Kagawa for masquerading as a midfielder ... 🙁

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    1. EAGLES (0 Chelsea players)
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      looked like he almost played striker today yeah?

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    2. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      They are playing Fulham, Southampton. Wigan and Liverpool in the next four keep him.
      Although the Wigan game will probably be the toughest of those four...

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  26. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Come on, we were just giving Citeh a head start to make it more interesting 😀

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    1. Fifa las vegas
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      like your positivity

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  27. jamsiep
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Right, Aguero > RVP (c). Done.

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    1. Cheggers
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Same

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    2. Red5
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Yep.

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  28. BobB
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Intruiging state of affairs - the top strikers look dubious value - Rooney, RvP, Aguero, Suarez, Torres (given fixtures and recent form)....spending big on midfielders seems the way to go this season

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    1. Park the bus
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      after 1 game?? last season the strikers killed it last season and can see no reason why they wont do so again.

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  29. Indalo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Aguero ➡ Tevez, shall I hit confirm?

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    1. Setting the Toney
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I did. Do it.

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    2. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I've gone for it.

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    3. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Hate to do it, but think I have to do the same. Waste of transfer 🙁

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  30. Pinturicchio
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Bit the bullet and used my transfer to get Tevez in for Aguero before the price rise.

    Still considering removing Ramires as planned, but it's less appealing as a -4 hit now, and I'm still not sure which >=6.5 mid to replace him with. McClean maybe. Any suggestions?

    (I have Michu, thanks.)

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    1. gdog2244
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      pienaar take the 4 point hit. played well today.

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    2. Touré De Force
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Ramires could well start Wednesday,no?

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    3. Timmy Cahill Rules
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      I have both and seeing as i cant see a viable replacemet for sergio im keeping him for now

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