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10 September 2012 1468 comments
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It somehow seems strange writing up a Leighton Baines Scout Report at this time of the season. Typically, we have to wait till the second half of the campaign before Everton embark on one of those resurgent runs so synonymous with the club under David Moyes but this time round, the Toffees have been quick out the blocks:

Baines, as always, has been one of the chief protagonists. With a clean sheet, assist and five Fantasy Premier League bonus points across his first three Gameweeks, the left-back’s form reflects his side’s surprise start, with Moyes’ men registering wins against United and Villa before a temporary blip at West Brom last Saturday. According to club captain Phil Neville, the Toffees’ fine form is down to a change in pre-season build-up by Moyes – whatever the reason may be, it brings Baines onto our radars ahead of a kind upcoming run of games for the Merseysiders.

Looking at the season ticker, Everton have, arguably, the strongest run of fixtures over the next couple of months, right the way through to Gameweek 13. Investment in the Toffees’ assets looks a definite tactic to consider, then, with (NEW, SOT, LIV, SUN, NOR) all rolling up to Goodison, while trips to the likes of Wigan, QPR and Reading all offer the potential of points.

Pricing also falls in Baines’ favour this time round. The left-back had a relatively average season by his own high standards last term, producing four goals and a couple of assists – bearing in mind he returned five goals and 11 assists in the 2010/11 campaign, it’s fair to say his attacking output took a significant dive. As a result, his starting price dropped from 8.0 last season to 7.0 in FPL, while in the Sky Sports game, his cost of 7.1 looks good value.

Already, we’ve seen Baines’ creativity supply chance after chance for his team mates – indeed, no other player in the Premier League currently matches him for goalscoring opportunities provided. With a share of corner kicks, in addition to being first in line for free-kicks and penalties, he offers far more than just clean sheet potential – with the likes of City and United failing to produce returns at the back, any highly priced defender who offers the potential of attacking returns looks all the more appealing in the current climate. If Nikica Jelavic or Marouane Fellaini can apply the finishing touches to Baines’ consistent left flank delivery, a bandwagon seems almost inevitable.

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  1. Christina.
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I thought Mark would write this article.

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  2. mysteryDave
    14 years, 1 month ago

    "Bargain Baines" no longer.

    I'm not sure Everton will keep up the defensive displays though.

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    1. r0nh
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Conceding 3 goals in their last 2 games?

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  3. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Expecting another 1/2 pointer. He is my nemesis! Never does anything when i own him.

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    1. Christina.
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Same here. I bought and sold him twice last year. Both at the wrong time.

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      1. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I think it was the season before last. I got him for a few games, he done bugger all, got rid and Everton got consecutive penalties. Conspiracy.

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      He's a long haul kind of player.

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      1. RD84
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I have a really hard time sticking with long haul players. I think Silva is the only one I kept over half the season last year, and I still felt like I kept him too long when I finally ditched him. Their fixtures at this point are hard to ignore though...

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        1. RD84
          14 years, 1 month ago

          My last sentence is of course referring to Everton and Baines.

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        2. mysteryDave
          14 years, 1 month ago

          RVP?

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          1. RD84
            14 years, 1 month ago

            LOL, forgot about him. I got him after his Chelsea hat trick and never dropped him. Truly amazing he never got injured last season. Great as fpl player, terrible as a Spurs fan.

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      2. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, i am keeping him for the long haul now. Still, how do they classify chances created on here? I can see him crossing in to Fellaini or Jelevic who knock it down for someone else.

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    3. MJ6987
      14 years, 1 month ago

      That's the case with all "attacking potential" defenders though - they only really get the "big scores" a few times a season, so you really have to keep them for at least 10 games to expect to catch one (unless you are just really lucky)

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      1. KujaliaFC
        14 years, 1 month ago

        But an "attacking potential" defender (like Vermaelen) who plays for the best defence in the league (Arsenal) will give you both clean sheets and goals/assists.

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        1. Feanor
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Whenever I have Verm he does neither. Last Christmas being a case in point.

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        2. I am not a smart guy
          14 years, 1 month ago

          A good joke.

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  4. Kings of Lyon ★
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I love Baines but he will never be my captain.

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Never captain, never bench.

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        14 years, 1 month ago

        +100000

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      2. som3awy
        14 years, 1 month ago

        +1

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    2. The Finnisher
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Except for GW6.
      You know you want to. 😉

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Damn it! it looks so temptin but i'll probably stick with RVP.

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        1. The Finnisher
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah same, although by then who knows what will be going on.
          My aim is to captain a defender that gets double figures, one day!

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    3. Mannone is Mob Boss
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Even if Eve get DGW? I doubt it

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Im sure I done it last year and got a solid 4 points

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        1. Mannone is Mob Boss
          14 years, 1 month ago

          I wish Eve got a player like Hazard so Baines will get a lot of penalties...

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  5. MJ6987
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Lost on old post...

    Pre-GW4 Press Conference

    Interview by Alan Brazil with MJ6987 (manager of Atalanta)

    Alan: Mor-ning!!!! Well, MJ, you’ve had an absolute baptism of fire in your first season in Serie A haven’t you pal?

    MJ: Yeah, you could say that! When the fixtures came out I saw that I had two of the big names in the first 3 weeks – starting with Forca’s Lazio outfit and a clash with Milanista’s AC Milan in GW3, with a match against the lower profile Grounderz (Cagliari) sandwiched inbetween.

    Alan: Aye, so you must be quite pleased with your start eh?

    MJ: Yes, well, I was quite confident going into week one despite tough opposition, but I came up against a Forca Inter team in rampant form – my score of 75 was decent enough but braces from Petric and Michu pretty much put paid to any hopes I had of a debut victory as Forca powered his way to 93 points. I shifted through the gears in week two and over-powered relative newcomer Grounderz 79-44 despite taking a 4 point hit – although it was just a relief to get off the mark. I then continued this momentum into week 3 with a real morale boosting victory against an uncharacteristically off-form Milanista (71-58) which means that I am currently lying 4th in Serie A.

    Alan: And, after some respite with the international breaks, you are straight back into the big games with another great match up against Mark (Palermo)…although from what I’ve heard on that podcast, he can be an absolute numpty, a bit of a tube sometimes?

    MJ: Err, no, I think you’re thinking of his co-host maybe? Anyway, yeah, Mark was one of the “dangermen” that I picked out pre-season – I mean, his record speaks for itself with an incredible five top 5k finishes including two inside the top 500! And, although he hasn’t had the best of starts, you know with managers like that its only a matter of time before they start performing – I can only hope that it is not quite yet!

    Alan: Aye, Mark’ll be getting absolute pelters from Granddad if he loses to yourself as a relative newcomer to the game?

    MJ: I think its “Granville” but, although I’ve been under the radar, I’ve done OK to date…a 15k finish in my debut season, followed my my biggest achievement to date, a top 500 finish and then a more modest top 10k last year, but, no, nothing compared to what Mark has achieved so its going to be a very tough game – good luck to Mark

    Alan: OK, we’ll wrap it up there – cheers pal

    MJ: Cheers Al.

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Aren't these supposed to go on the UEFA site now?

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      1. Funkyav
        14 years, 1 month ago

        it really wasnt lost, you posted it multiple times on the last post, no one cares.

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        1. Just A Hat
          14 years, 1 month ago

          lol

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        2. MJ6987
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Cheers for the feedback mate 🙁

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          1. Just A Hat
            14 years, 1 month ago

            I gave it a read 🙂 but I don't know what it is about to be honest

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          2. isacki: full casual
            14 years, 1 month ago

            MJ if you post these on a dead post (like two posts ago) and send the link to UEFA FFS they'll put it up on the site.

            Probably won't get a great reception from most visitors 😉

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        3. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
          14 years, 1 month ago

          😀

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  6. Just A Hat
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I can't wait for Gareth Emery Podcast today

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  7. FORCA INTER
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Banies and Berbatov

    -reason why i activated WC this week 😉

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    1. Just A Hat
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I still dont know whether to go for Baines or Pienaar 🙁

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      1. FORCA INTER
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Pienaar is so cheap but i think that Baines will pick up more pts than him

        they link up so well at left

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    2. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Baines - good move.
      Berbatov - you're a fool Forca, a damn fool!

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      1. FORCA INTER
        14 years, 1 month ago

        i consider to C Berba insated of RVP this week 🙂

        that confident in Berba i am

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        1. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          I've said it before and I'll say it again - I both admire and enjoy the strength of your opinions, the only trouble is I rarely agree with them 😉

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          1. FORCA INTER
            14 years, 1 month ago

            let's see how it goes

            i think Berba will shine in Fulham

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            1. GreenWindmill
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              14 years, 1 month ago

              I think he'll be ok.

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        2. Tommyboy
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Yoda you are

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        3. Mannone is Mob Boss
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Special detail carry with it special privilege

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    3. Christina.
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Petric and Jarvis.

      -reason why I activated WC last week 🙄

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      1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        U had Jarvis :shock :

        Petric will still be ok I reckon

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        1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
          14 years, 1 month ago

          😯 *

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        2. Christina.
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Had?

          HAVE.

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    4. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Berba hasn't even been in 90% of your WC RMTs.

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      1. FORCA INTER
        14 years, 1 month ago

        he was in my orginal WC team wich i posted only once(and i'll stick to it)

        i had couple of combos in mind

        for example

        Jelly+Morrison

        Lambert+Bale

        but i am sticking to Berbatov+Ben Arfa

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        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Lambert and Bale looks the best out of those.

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          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            14 years, 1 month ago

            I like Lambert & Ben Arfa then pocketing the change for future transfers.

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            1. Call Me Old Fashioned
              14 years, 1 month ago

              I am doing this

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              1. GreenWindmill
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                14 years, 1 month ago

                Wise man

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                1. Dr. Agabuse
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  Who is the wiser man? the wise man or the man, that listens to the wise man.

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  8. Kings of Lyon ★
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Foster Federici Hughes & Michu

    OR

    Jaask Begovic Vert & Dyer

    The team i have right now is -

    XX XX
    Baines XX Demel Clyne Cuellar
    XX Barfa Hazard Guthrie Cazorla
    Tevez RVP Tevez

    Very generic but its decent.

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    1. FORCA INTER
      14 years, 1 month ago

      who is other Tevez?

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      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Lambert. Amateur stuff on my part there.

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      2. FORCA INTER
        14 years, 1 month ago

        1st combo looks better

        Ruddy over Frederici maybe

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    2. Piggs Boson
      14 years, 1 month ago

      The 1st option. I'd want Bego over Federici though.

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    3. Del Griffith
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Having 2 Tevez's is a bit greedy

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      1. Mannone is Mob Boss
        14 years, 1 month ago

        The other one is Tevez when he was a Man Utd

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  9. Piggs Boson
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I'm huge fan of Baines. If there were no clear cut captain choices, and he had an easy fixture, i'd captain him in a heartbeat.

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  10. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    14 years, 1 month ago

    John Terry in line to return at QPR? just saw this on the main page...great news...hadn't seen this anywhere, what's the source?

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    1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Click on it on the main page and see

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  11. BootlegRascal
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Is it crazy to want a Spurs player on a WC?

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    1. Bonkers
      14 years, 1 month ago

      no BAE is totally a viable option for me because of his attacking powress..

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      1. Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        You mean vert.

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  12. Kostja
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Sorry to repost but was hoping for some further opinions on this :

    Got a tough decision on my hands.

    a)Keep Ba( just reallized he is not as good as I thought and I think Pardew could go back to having him on the wing, with the current formation not working and Cisse failing to produce with Ba next to him or get
    b) Jelavic- I am planning to get Baines in the next 2 gameweeks too so it may be too much
    c) Bent- takes penalties and is the ultimate differential, best fixtures also, but plays for Villa

    Thanks to everyone who replied already

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    1. Kings of Lyon ★
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I'd keep Ba tbh. Baines is enough EVE coverage imo and I dont rate Villa.

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    2. FORCA INTER
      14 years, 1 month ago

      if i say get jelly i will sound delusional

      so keep Ba

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      1. Kostja
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Not really, Jelly seems like one of the best forwards in the PL. And surprisingly Everton are creating the most shots in the box of any team in the PL.

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  13. Bonkers
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Had to copy/paste, since my timing was totally BONKERS!

    This is only my second season here in the FPL, and the most remarkable fact that I observed was that people here tend to consider the investment made in the backline as more of a waste. I don’t understand that how people with defenders from WHU, NOR, REA or even SOU even think that the culmulative money saved there, can provide them with extra points upfront? We are talking about reducing the value of 4-5 players at the back for upgrading just 1 or 2 frontliners.

    Come to think of it,

    I have,

    Cech Mignolet
    Gibbs BAE Lescott Skrtel McAuley

    I know that I can easily downgrade Cech/BAE/Lescott and even Skrtel and get around 4.0/5.0 more in the bank but really, is it worth it? Though the big guns aren’t kepping Cleanies atm, but am sure they eventually will.

    So, in a nutshell, if i play 3-4-3 and the 3 big defenders (and GK) DO manage to keep a cleansheet for their team, I may get about 15-18 points, defending on bonus etc. On the other hand, what if my defence together managed 5 points, if I downgraded each of them and the attacker which was upgraded by that money, say, scores 1 goal and 1 assist, still I am only getting a total of 13 points without considering if my ‘expensive’ defender gets on the scoresheet.

    So, is the cheap defence worth it?

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah because although the big teams do keep more CS there isn't a huge gap between them and the cheaper lot - appears even more so this year.

      Your 3(+GK) big defence won't pull in 18 points all that often. Plus you have 3 subs there more expensive than a lot of people's first choice in defence.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        14 years, 1 month ago

        This is the debate for almost 5 years here. Previously we had 4 big defenders at the back and then Reeson came he won FPL with I think 40pts margin with uber cheap defense.

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      2. Bonkers
        14 years, 1 month ago

        So, you mean, defence ain't all that important?

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          14 years, 1 month ago

          No, getting the right cheap defenders is important. You can get good results and points from defence but you don't need to spend big, unless a big gun shuts up shop.

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    2. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I always thought u were bonkers without the apple... Clearly not

      In short, cheap defence is worth it if there are few clean sheets and ur team is lucky enough to have them

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      1. RD84
        14 years, 1 month ago

        So is it worth having even one 7.0 or so defender like Baines/Vermaelen/Vertonghen (the last being should he prove himself in EPL) or is it better to spend that on attackers?

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        1. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
          14 years, 1 month ago

          I always go at least one big df

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    3. big oak
      14 years, 1 month ago

      yes to a certain point
      last season swansea provided some very good cheap defenders with high returns at home
      other teams who have a proven history of getting CS at home are stoke and fulham
      snapping up 4.0 and 4.5 starters from these teams would not make a cheap defence but a value one.
      however with teams like villa norwich southampton who give no guarantees of CS whatsoever even if the are playing a conference team then this would be stupid
      notice that more high hitters in mid and attack will also give u more captain option when the big teams are playin each other

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    4. Simon March
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I thought I'd copy and paste my reply since it took me a good 5 mins!

      You make some excellent points – Lots of people point to 10+ clean sheets for a 5m defender over a season and ask what a striker who scores that would be worth.

      The problem is that bonus points disproportionately favour attacking players and this, combined with their increased likelihood to get assists means that attacking players will, on average, score more. Therefore money invested in attack is more efficient. Also, having a good Captaincy option each week is essential as the points you get from your Captain are about 1/3 of this game.

      However, you can over-invest in attack to the point of waste – You can only play 7 attacking players and so have the choice of having a cheap 8th or rotating with potentially wasted money on the bench.

      Therefore, my philosophy is this; Get the best attacking 6 you can afford, the best 2 remaining players in terms of value/rotation, then invest the rest in as attacking a defence as you can. Players like Baines, Huth, Riise who play in decent defences but yield attacking returns can be the difference in this game. Finding the less obvious attacking defenders (e.g. Wilson of Stoke or Olsson of West Brom or Boyce of Wigan), has basically become a (slightly tragic) hobby of mine!

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      1. Feanor
        14 years, 1 month ago

        How many clean sheets have you got from Lescott and Skrtel?

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  14. big oak
    14 years, 1 month ago

    already carrying vermaelen in defence
    but that means i can buy baines at will
    gives me comfort
    im even contemplating both of them but that would be defence overkill especially with the relativeley reasonable prices for midfielders this season

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    1. Christina.
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Your grav always remind me of Shyla Stylez.

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    2. SOOnami
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Mistake 1: dont think too hard. Pick a team who you think will collectively get more points with the money you have. Now what are the lotto numbers? 🙂

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  15. isacki: full casual
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Which team's lineup is the hardest to predict this week? Not United... not City... Stoke. No idea how they'll use their new signings. The biggest question is how will Owen and Walters slot in, if they both do?

    My go:

    ......................Begovic
    Wilkinson Shawcross Huth Wilson
    Walters...Whelan...Adam....Kightly
    .....................Owen
    ....................Crouch

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    1. Tomlette Greggs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      perhaps N'Zonzi in place of Whelan?

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I like Edu over Whelan

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    3. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Zero chance of Owen starting this week.

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    4. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Owen won't start, no way

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      1. Piggs Boson
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I heard a rumour that as he entered the Britannia Stadium, he bumped into Robert Huth. If he's still alive, i imagine he's broken a fair few bones...

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    5. isacki: full casual
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Lineup if Owen doesn't start this week which admittedly looks unlikely

      ………………….Begovic
      Wilkinson Shawcross Huth Wilson
      Cameron…Whelan…Adam….Kightly
      …………………Walters
      ………………....Crouch

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    6. Round and Round
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Walters and Kightly on opposite flanks imo

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    7. big oak
      14 years, 1 month ago

      owena dn walters will play the same position
      owen will not start over walters before he proves himself off the bench and his fitness
      i guess he will be there super sub
      nzonzi will play witehead position (btw i see nzonzi as a highly underrated player and an excellent deal for stoke)
      stoke will have a dilema coz a 4-2-3-1 adam that deep will hurt stoke when they decide to park the bus against the big teams

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      1. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        N'Zonzi is a talented player! So you think he will play central midfield? In Whelan's place perhaps?

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      2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        N'Zonzi thinks he's much better than he actually is. Not sure i agree with you on the Owen Walters comparison.

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        1. isacki: full casual
          14 years, 1 month ago

          S'pose you should know better about N'Zonzi. Either way, he's not an FPL option is he?

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            14 years, 1 month ago

            hell no

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    8. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I really loved your Giroud chant ... 😀

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      1. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Jeeeee-roooooooooooooo
        don't maaaaaake it baaaaaaaaad.........

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    9. Pasqualinho
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I'm not sure many of us will lose any sleep over Stoke's starting XI

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      1. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I was considering Walters if he stayed on pens and in the hole. He's out the window now. I'm not ruling out Owen IF he nails down a striker spot, but the odds are against that.

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  16. r0nh
    14 years, 1 month ago

    IF RVP can repeat his great goal tally of 30 this year...

    He has already scored 4

    So he has 26 goals left to score in 35 gameweeks.

    That means he will not score in at least 9 gameweeks.

    Interesting...

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    1. big oak
      14 years, 1 month ago

      or get injured...

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    2. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      If you say so

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    3. The Finnisher
      14 years, 1 month ago

      And in those 9 gameweeks he will get his 13 assists.

      🙄

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    4. r0nh
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Or he will get rested, like this gameweek against Wigan, for example...

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      1. The Finnisher
        14 years, 1 month ago

        but we are going off last season, so he will only be rested once..and he will come on and score 2.

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    5. Simon69
      14 years, 1 month ago

      So you're saying he'll score more than 30 this year? Awesome.

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    6. FORCA INTER
      14 years, 1 month ago

      shame i am not anit-RVP anymore

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  17. isacki: full casual
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Hoping Baines basically plays like an extra left winger for me.

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    1. Piggs Boson
      14 years, 1 month ago

      So ami i. I'll have Boyce on the right, and Baines on the left 😀

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      1. Scroobius Mac
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I currently have 7 wingers.

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        1. Piggs Boson
          14 years, 1 month ago

          All of my 5 mids play in 'the hole' (if you include Hazard)

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          1. FORCA INTER
            14 years, 1 month ago

            hazard,michu,cazorla,guthrie,ben arfa??

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            1. Piggs Boson
              14 years, 1 month ago

              Close, Morrison over Barfa 😀

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              1. FORCA INTER
                14 years, 1 month ago

                i stronly considering morrision

                wich combo is better in your opinion

                jelly+morrision

                or

                berbatov+ben arfa

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                1. Piggs Boson
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  Probably Jelly and Morrison.

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          2. Scroobius Mac
            14 years, 1 month ago

            I included Hazard on the wing. He's a bit of both really.

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        2. Simon March
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Who are they?

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      2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I did have a look at Boyce myself but for 5m i just can't have a Wigan defender. You can get the likes of Shawcross, Hangeland & Ridgewell for that price

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        1. Piggs Boson
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Defender?

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            14 years, 1 month ago

            lol the guy has never picked up more than 2 assists a season!! Are you seriously telling me you think of his as midfielder who will pick up assists?

            In reality you will pick up 1-2 points most weeks and maybe a goal if you are very lucky

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            1. isacki: full casual
              14 years, 1 month ago

              He only started playing at wingback from the last 10 GWs of last season. The previous seasons are a bit irrelevant in that regard.

              That said I think his returns will be modest but worthwhile.

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            2. ColeHole
              14 years, 1 month ago

              +1. Attacking threat is lovely, but clean sheets do the donkey work for defenders. that's why baines and verm make sense. Boyce will have his moments, but it's not the safest investment for your 5.0

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              1. Scroobius Mac
                14 years, 1 month ago

                "Attacking threat is lovely, but clean sheets do the donkey work for defenders. that’s why baines and verm make sense."

                WTF.

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                1. isacki: full casual
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  It doesn't follow from the logic presented but I think he's saying that Arsenal and Everton keep significantly more clean sheets than Wigan hence their defenders are worth the punt.

                  Boyce is only 0.5 more than the cheapest Wigan defender (who's not even really nailed on) and for me that's a punt with very little downside.

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                  1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    Of course, although that's why you pay another 2m..

                    Boyce maybe only 0.5 more than the cheapest Wigan defender but the key words there are WIGAN DEFENDER

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                  2. isacki: full casual
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    Check the CS you would have got last season since they switched to 3-4-3. From 11 March to 13 May. Quite respectable. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/wigan-athletic/results

                    Stereotypes about defences are just that - everyone's loving Arsenal's now after spending the good part of the decade joking about them.

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            3. Call Me Old Fashioned
              14 years, 1 month ago

              OMG THANK YOU. Someone agrees with me on Boyce/Wigan defenders

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            4. Piggs Boson
              14 years, 1 month ago

              He has never played a season in this new role, and his stats have looked very good whilst he has been. And he's had a decent attacking record since he's played there.

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            5. Scroobius Mac
              14 years, 1 month ago

              He's been shifted right up the pitch though.

              Shawcross, Hangeland & Ridgewell will also get you 1-2 points most weeks and maybe a goal if you are very lucky.

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              1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                14 years, 1 month ago

                Shawcross, Hangeland & Ridgewell will all comfortably outscore Boyce... just like they have done every other season

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                1. Scroobius Mac
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  If it wasn't for his injury he would have outscored Hangeland and Shawcross last season.

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                  1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    Has he ever managed a full season? Just sounds like another reason not to buy him to me, is he injury prone? What makes you think he'll manage 38 games this season?

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                2. Piggs Boson
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  Why are you comparing past seasons, he was a full back. Anyway it's your loss 😉

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                3. isacki: full casual
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  Still using stats from previous seasons Dunny!

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                  1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    Only 3 games in, tough not to. This season has hardly been inspiring though. Two home games yielded 1 point and then another 1 pointier and the away game (when 90% of active players would have benched him) saw Wigan pick up a clean sheet

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                  2. isacki: full casual
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    It's why I've stopped playing home and away rotation - basing it around the fixtures now. I did the rotation calcs and saw horrible numbers of CS disappearing in that system. Even apparently reliable teams like Fulham, Stoke and Sunderland were getting lots of away clean sheets that would be lost in that system.

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              2. Drip Doctor
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                14 years, 1 month ago

                Gallas is the one to have at 5. As long as he keeps his place that is...

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                1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  There is a loooooong list of people at 5m that are a hell of a lot more attractive than Boyce!

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                  1. heco87
                    14 years, 1 month ago

                    Amen to that. Wouldn't touch a Wigan defender at 5m unless he had pens.

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                2. The Finnisher
                  14 years, 1 month ago

                  Captain Gallas that is. 😎

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      3. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        That's what I'm on right now. Hoping that Rangel is like half a winger.

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        1. ColeHole
          14 years, 1 month ago

          is that a WIN or a GER? 😉

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          1. isacki: full casual
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Definitely a WIN 😉

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            1. ColeHole
              14 years, 1 month ago

              Yeah, he's a good egg is rangel.

              I'm still tempted by Davies...

              Either way, cuellar may be my only CB. Too much fun to be had with fullbacks!

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              1. isacki: full casual
                14 years, 1 month ago

                Cuellar is about as good value as it gets for any FPL player, never mind defenders, IMO.

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    2. Call Me Old Fashioned
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Greedy sod 😉

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  18. Denis Tueart on the wing
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Is there any clues as to when the postponed Sunderland v Reading game will be rescheduled ? for a DGW signing or two.

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  19. CRAZY TRAIN
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Ivan>Baines in GW6. Why am I still not sold?

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    1. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      On the players or the timing?

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      1. CRAZY TRAIN
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I like Baines, but I am struggling to jusify ditching a defender that has scored 2 goals in 3 gameweeks for him! Get my drift?

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        1. ColeHole
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Yes. It's my plan too. The good thing about the timing is that your get 2 more gwks for Ivan. I'd be struggling more if I currently had Baines. gw6 sounds perfect.

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    2. Call Me Old Fashioned
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I am not solid, and will no way be making that move.

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    3. Hank Scorpio
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I'm making that move myself in GW 6. Go for it.......and then shift Baines to Vermaelen (or easy to downgrade) if needs be further down the line.

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      1. CRAZY TRAIN
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I think Kos (and moreso Sagna when he returns) offers a better value way in to the 'arris defence. Like you say though if Verm starts delivering then it is easy to swap. Alternatively I could keep Ivan and do Pod>Jelly if the former doesn't deliver against Soton

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  20. Crouch Potato!
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I would imagine that fall in pts returns from Baines last season, would have coincided with the complete dip in form of Cahill. I don't have the stats to back this up, would be interesting to see how many assists involved Cahill, two seasons ago.

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    1. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Yes, but cahill's long gone. It's all about peanut jelly and fellatio now.

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        14 years, 1 month ago

        The fact remains that Cahill that season was probably one players in the premier league, to score with his head, perfect for Baines.

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          14 years, 1 month ago

          of the best

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        2. ColeHole
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Oh, yes. Agree completely. Cahill was a monster, but he declined before last season and Everton had multiple issues in the 1st half.

          Baines' scores were tied in with Cahill's, but has been increasingly moved to the other two + Jelly.

          Also, Baines is now a better player and more than just one half of a partnership.

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          1. Crouch Potato!
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah, just thinking things through before I spend the cash on him, cheers for input.

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            1. ColeHole
              14 years, 1 month ago

              If it helps, I've booked my ticket for gw6.

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  21. The Finnisher
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Wilsons creativity and threat scores are interesting, one to look out for from GW8.

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      14 years, 1 month ago

      The Stoke fella?

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      1. The Finnisher
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah...probably shoulda mentioned that.

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Yeah just had a peak. Pretty impressive. I've already got him - don't need him to play other than GW6 though.

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          1. The Finnisher
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Didnt really think he carried much threat going forward, cant stand watching Stoke.
            Got Begovic though, so I will probably give it a miss.

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    2. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      Agree, Stoke are the team to look to once their terrible run of fixtures comes to an end. I've already got Bergovic in anticipation and can see another Stoke player in my ranks in a few weeks.

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    3. isacki: full casual
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nice spot, I wouldn't have imagined he would be creative

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    4. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Gw8 stoke, gw9 New

      That's my transfers, barring those unknown unknowns.

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  22. speshul one
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this team to incorporate Baines and an Arsenal defender, I'd rather have Koscielny but unsure on his fitness and his return.

    Foster | Begovic

    Demel | Baines | Gibbs | Williams | Cuellar

    Cazorla | Guthrie | Hazard | Michu | Morrison

    Tevez | Van Persie | Fletcher

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      14 years, 1 month ago

      It's pretty good actually.

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      1. speshul one
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Thoughts on Gibbs?

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        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Good pick. Very attacking. PIcks up bonus points.

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          1. speshul one
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Cheers man

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            1. ColeHole
              14 years, 1 month ago

              I'd keep jenkinson for now, I think. But it is an extra transfer down the line.

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        2. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Switch to saylor after gw4 IMO

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    2. The Finnisher
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Like it, would prefer Pienaar/HBA and Lambert over Fletcher and Morrison but that is just my preference.

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      1. Call Me Old Fashioned
        14 years, 1 month ago

        and mine..

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    3. Piggs Boson
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Very close to my team, with a couple of exceptions, so i love it 😉

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  23. Testing
    14 years, 1 month ago

    RMT please

    Vorm, (Federici)
    Cole, Jagielka, Hangeland, (Clyne, Cuellar)
    Hazard, Nolan, Toure, Michu, (Maloney)
    RvP, Graham, Tevez

    0.7m in the bank

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    1. speshul one
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I'm not totally convinced with Hangeland and I fear for Fulham being able to steady a sinking ship (their best players have left) maybe look at Saylor for rotation with Cuellar plus due a goal soon 😉

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      1. Testing
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I'll take a look at him, thanks for the reply!

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    2. Dr. Agabuse
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nice. I was wondering why no one seems to pick up Maloney.
      McClean instead of Nolan and you're good to go 😉

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  24. andres
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Considering doing ivanovic to baines for a hit... Worth it?

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    1. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      No, no, no, no, no!

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    2. Simon March
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Might be worth the transfer in the long run but definitely not worth a hit now.

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    3. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      No.

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    4. Testing
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Wait until GW6

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    5. Simon69
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nope. Do it the week after.

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    6. CRAZY TRAIN
      14 years, 1 month ago

      No way, wait until gw6

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  25. Call Me Old Fashioned
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Similar on price here, but stuck on this pick...

    1 - Lambert and HBA

    2 - Fletcher/Berbatov and Pienaar

    I have Clyne, Hughes and Cuellar from the teams in question if it means anything..

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  26. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Baines and Piennar have potential to be among a very select band of players who will be in my team for the entire season. Pienaar's a bargain and Baines is an extra midfielder with clean sheet points and penalties.

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    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Baines i can understand but Pienaar? His history in FPL is hardly prolific.

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      1. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        14 years, 1 month ago

        For 6.5m he is very prolific. He had a great FPL history when he returned to Everton last season and the season before he was great as well. You have to factor in Everton's poor starts, but overall he has been a very good 7.5m ish selection. The fact he is priced so low this season makes him remarkable value. Apart from Michu he is by miles the best in that price range.

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        1. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          14 years, 1 month ago

          *meant season before he went to spurs he was good as well.

          2009/10 116pts
          2008/09 119pts

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          1. heco87
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Not sure they're great seasons, but I do think he looks decent value this time round. Seems to be improving with age.

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          2. I am not a smart guy
            14 years, 1 month ago

            For a midfielder priced at 6.5m, a season return of 119 points is bloody poor.

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        2. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Not sure on that:
          10/11 - 66
          09/10 - 116
          08/09 - 119

          Decent options for cheaper, Maloney, Dyer, Nolan and a potentially dark horse... Diaby!

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          1. J0E
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Its important to look at games and read news as well as look at stats. The 10/11 season consisted of playing for Everton during their traditional poor first half of the campaign, then being bought by spurs where he was often benched.

            there's more to this game than numbers. 😉

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            1. Drip Doctor
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              14 years, 1 month ago

              Ah right you are, i'll keep my eye on him for sure.

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    2. Simon March
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      like Boyce.

      But without the clean sheet points and penalties...

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        ... and 10 talented team mates

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    3. isacki: full casual
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Very scared to curse them with season keeper but I can't see why I'd lose Baines barring injury. Pienaar I will be watching carefully to see how Naismith/Mirallas affect him

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    4. heco87
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Very few who actually end up being season keepers in my experience ... I'm not sure I've ever kept anyone for the entire season.

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      1. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        14 years, 1 month ago

        Bent was the only one I kept...back in his Sunderland days. It was that season he started at 7.5m and couldn't stop scoring.

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    5. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Double Toffee?

      Might require a visit to the dentist...

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      1. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Sounds like you could be in a lot of Baines

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        1. ColeHole
          14 years, 1 month ago

          That's ok, they'll just pump me full of Novobaines!

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  27. Piggs Boson
    14 years, 1 month ago

    QUIZ QUESTION

    Who is statistically the second fastest player in the league this season?

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    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Howson, or Boyce. I can't remember which way round it was.

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      1. Piggs Boson
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Correct, Emerson Boyce. Howsen from Norwich is the fastest.

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        1. isacki: full casual
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Unbelievable scenes Jeff!

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        2. JT's Dog
          14 years, 1 month ago

          what are the stats for this, the fastest speed any player has reached during game?

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          1. Piggs Boson
            14 years, 1 month ago

            See Nitin's link above.

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    2. blue cheese
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Boyce.

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    3. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      ooh, statisticially! *said sarcastically, just for the rhymes*

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    4. isacki: full casual
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nathan Dyer?

      Guessing the fastest would have been easier perhaps.

      Walcott?

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    5. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Boyce, but that's probably because he was playing Stoke who don't run so he looked faster?

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    6. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Not mertesaker

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Here's a question, how fast is Boyce per Mertesacker?

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        1. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Google squared

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          1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            14 years, 1 month ago

            You mean Googol? You should have googled the spelling

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            1. Lord Flashheart
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              14 years, 1 month ago

              iPad auto correct yup

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    7. Testing
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Walcott?

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  28. Simon March
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Since we're talking about Baines, what about the Bainesettes (fullbacks who are on set pieces); Daniel Fox and Ian Harte? And are there any others?

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      David Luiz? although he just takes them when Chelsea are taking the piss

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    2. Mr Blue
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Riise?

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    3. Tommyboy
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Harte isn't on set pieces like he was last year. He was on the field when Guthrie took Readings penalty

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        What penalty?

        Didn't La Fondre take one?

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  29. Lord Flashheart
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    14 years, 1 month ago

    Cameron from stoke will mostly play oop but will he play much?

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  30. Bøwstring The Carp
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Afternoon guys, if Swansea get a new LB do we expect him to get in straight ahead of Davies/Tate or will he be back-up?

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    1. Mr Blue
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Doubt it, but ofc it depends on who they sign..

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    2. ColeHole
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I''ve convinced myself it will be backup + cup games...

      I think it's davies' to lose, at least for the next 3.

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