[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Berbalove
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Nice post, Mark. I think you're onto something here.
    I like your clean sheet save point bonus.

    While we're at it, why don't do something with the way defenders score as well, seeing they too lag mids and forwards.
    Could defenders have a special bonus for not only shut-outs, but for not letting the opposition getting shots away or conceding chances? In other words, a solid defensive display earns defenders bonus points.
    And how about outfield players saving a certain goal? That surely should be worth something.

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Blocks, interceptions, successful clearances.

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      1. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Blocks off the line could earn bonus points as they are effectively goals otherwise.

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    2. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      IT'S ALL RELATIVE!

      Defenders lag behind mids/forwards because they are priced cheaper. If you priced defenders the same as midfielders/strikers we'd all have 3 Reading, 3 QPR and 3 Wigan players.

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        I suppose I also agree with this, I wouldn't want to pay £10m for Baines, and if they kept the prices similar but changed the system, you'd see lots of teams with 4/5 ath the back.

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Of course it is. If keepers and defenders scored more points, the price difference between them and the offensive players would need to be decreased.
        I think that would be interesting, opening up new strategies for FPL play. Going for a heavy-hitting 5 at the back could a viable option. Would not that be interesting?

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          They'd have to change prices for just about every player in the game, change the current budget and most of the scoring.

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          1. Berbalove
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            They do every year anyway, so that's not an issue IMHO. What Mark really is trying to say, I think, is that it's a shame no one cares about the GK spot, because it doesn't matter (that much). And that I can agree with.
            The question then becomes - what can be done about it?

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            1. The Finnisher
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I know but not drastically...it would be a completely different game and unnecessary imo.

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              1. Berbalove
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                I am too a bit conservative about this game, thinking that it works fine as is. However, thinkering a bit in order to improve it is fine by me. I like the vice-captain system, the January WC and the possibility to save a transfer. Surely the game can improved?

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                1. The Finnisher
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  Yeah it can, I just wouldn't want it to change too much.

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        2. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Light Knight like this^^^

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      3. Mark
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 19 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Indeed but that's leading to a game where we're just filling the keeper and defensive slots and playing with attacking players alone. It will get to the point where we'll have 4.0 defences and pile all our cash into attacking positions - massive imbalance. That's bad game design, simple as that. Balancing a game with cost alone is not the answer and the longer it goes on, the nearer we get to a game where we might as well be just selecting goalscorers.

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          I have Baines, Johnson and Clichy so maybe I'm not one to talk to about it. I'm stubborn and like big defences anyway.

          I agree though, it's come to a point where the only time you do spend big in defence is once the season is ending with TV's of 115M or when there a plenty of cheap attacking doing the business. I just don't like the fact that it will change the game quite a bit with some of the changes being suggested. I like the idea of an extra point for a CS (and 2 for the keeper) and maybe even recovered balls. But it will still be the same, we'd just get the cheap defenders that do the above and fit in the Bale's, Mata's, Van Persie's etc.

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          1. Berbalove
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            We would not just fill in with goal scoring machines if the system were designed so that it could make sense to have massive defence. Ideally, the system should be made so that you can not in advance know which strategy will be the best - going for a strong attack, strong defence, or a balanced team.

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            1. The Finnisher
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I don't think there is any system that would create balance between forwards and defences without it being ridiculous.
              FPL and the way we pick our teams is simply replicating the way the Premier League has transformed, defences aren't as good as they once used to be.

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              1. AndyRokit
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                In order to create a balance you'd need to identify the players who are having a good game without goals or assists. Ideally you don't want to clutter the game with too many other stats (as it'd be less enjoyable to follow). So how's this:

                - Award a point for every X times a player wins possession.
                - Deduct a point for every Y times a player loses possession.
                Where Y>X (to keep the scoring from getting too negative!)

                E.g. A keeper collects a cross or saves AND HOLDS a ball. A defender wins the ball in a tackle or makes an interception.

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        2. Bedok
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          I think we have already reached that point this year (cheap def, throw the cash forward). There are exceptions and most will have a least one big defender, but it doesn't help that the key clean sheet teams or top teams rotation strategy make most of them too much of a risk. As for keepers, yes, the point difference between a the top and bottom, if they all played every game, is not enough to make it a key position FPL-wise. Choose a good rotation at the season's start and forget about it. Maybe a change at WC time to free up some cash. It would be interesting to see the stats of, say, Hart or DDG all season vs a Bego - Jask rotation of home results. Maybe I'm off topic here.

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    3. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I think a goal line block should be quantified and rewarded somehow (something along the lines of a defender blocking a shift on or close to the line when the ball has already passed the goalkeeper).

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      1. Scroobius Mac
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        *a shot

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      2. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        crazy thing with these is they often go down as clearances rather than blocks. gerrard's last weekend went down as a block (securing his 3bps, a good thing imo) they often go down as clearances though, seemingly worth nothing ppi wise

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      3. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        know that wasn't your main point just reminded me of a ppi 'issue.' goal line blocks literally stop a goal, no subjectivity there, so yeah a decent idea

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        1. Berbalove
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Goal line blocks should definitely be worth something.

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        2. Gamst - Up (?) the Rovers
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          How do you measure blocks ON the goal line. How far out should count? The whole six yard box? Now there's subjectivity for you 😉

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    4. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      On the other side, looking at the value stats in FPL, it seems that the game is amazingly well-balanced.

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      1. Mark
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 19 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        That's because they've simply frozen keeper values or reduced them in order to balance them against the attacking players. That doesn't get away from the fact that, when it comes to selecting a squad, the increasingly popular trend is to give keepers low priority both in terms of spend and thinking time because they contribute relatively little to our tallies in relation to attacking players.

        I'm talking balance in terms of contribution to the game and our enjoyment of it. Every season we're caring less and less about keepers - they are just a slot to be filled when perhaps they could be so much more and actually add more fun and strategy.

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      2. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        The problem is value does not equal pts. I like marks idea as i hate the way it only really makes sense money wise yo spend the cash in forward areas as their is seldom any point seeking value in these attacking positions as these are the positions that score the points.

        The only time we look for value in midfield and fwd slots is at the start of the game when budgets are stretched. To me this early part of the game is the most interesting and as budgets become more sign whoever you want as cash is no barrier some of the enjoyment is gone for me.

        thanks for hitting on this very irritating flaw in the game Mark.

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  2. Captain Shirokov
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    For GW33:

    RVP or Suarez?

    (Serious question)

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I wouldn't ditch either.. if you're purely looking to bring one in for GW33, it has to be RVP.

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Have both atm, have to get rid of one to afford a decent DGW midfield.

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          I don't know that I could do it ..

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Keep your fingers crossed for a Suarez YC and hope you don't have a decision to make ..

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            1. Captain Shirokov
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Yep, that's the plan 😆

              I will jizz all over the place if he gets one.

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          2. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            I have a WC like.....

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            1. heco87
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Haha decent... sit tight for now anyway, wouldn't worry too much about next week just yet.

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Same dilemma. I'm torn between getting Rooney or keeping Suarez.

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    3. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Robin just

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    4. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Did you screenshot your FPL Page when you were 8th?

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        😀

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      2. Eboue
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        He can just look in history?

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      3. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Yup. 😀

        ðŸ™

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Haha it was an honest question, I know I would have.

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    5. nevins84
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Form screams Luis

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    6. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Having a similar dilemma.
      As of now, I'm thinking Rooney instead of RvP, and then who to keep: Bale or Suarez?

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  3. jas5sk - Youtube channel
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Score predictions, anyone?

    Real Madrid 3 / Galatasaray 1

    Malaga 0 / Borussia Dortmund 2

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    1. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Rm2 0 galahdkkzakfjakakdnabdkrooZ rnsbfnemkisk
      Mal1 2 borussia

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Madrid 2-0 Galatasaray

      Malaga 1-1 Dortmund

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    3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Real Madrid will beat Galatasaray 3-0.

      Dortmund will draw 2-2 with Malaga.

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    4. Van Dal
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      2-0
      1-1

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    5. Saniul
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      4-0
      0-0 or 0-1 or 1-0

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  4. Captain Shirokov
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    I presume that most people would agree with Mark in this article contrary to his last 'opinion' post?

    I know I do.

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Well said.

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Too extreme for me .. in terms of Value, GKs are comparable. Agree the BPs need tweaked to reward them properly though.

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    3. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Seems most people agree that there is some sort of problem but not to what extent and what solution is best.

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Yeah, that's the problem really.

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      2. Van Dal
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Maybe they could get an extra 2bonus for every 3 saves

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      3. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        The system in place works, but tweaks could (and should?) be done in order to make the game more interesting, adding layers to the strategical perspective.

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Not sure I would want a whole lot of strategical tweaking done. Its simple enough for somebody to spend a minute a week on and complex enough that us lot can obsess all week.

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    4. Van Dal
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      what was his last opinion post?

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        It was regarding selling value of players.

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        1. Van Dal
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Ah rightio thanks

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    5. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      +1 Good post with some good ideas

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    6. Brightside
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Disagree.

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    7. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Nope. If you want to make all positions have equal points it will require a complete overhaul of scoring and pricing for all positions which would ruin the game imo. A simple increase of CS points to 5 would probably increase their value quite reasonably.

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      1. Van Dal
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        great point tbh

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    8. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I don't necessarily agree that there needs to be a change it but found it interesting which is the most important thing. When I say I don't necessarily agree I mean that I don't think the obvious solution is staring us in the face.

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        But you still think something has to be changed?

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    9. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      i don't tbh, although that's a result of the issue, i don't really care about keepers.

      in general the articles are great as they get people talking. as nice as it was to read about soop's lunch back in the day fpl related stuff is still the bread and buttner* of this site

      *sorry, have pun tourettes

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Yeah, true. I remember when the ICC article came out. It was good banter at first but the lack of FPL talk grew tiresome.

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    10. 1966 was a great year for E…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      One of the big pluses of FPL is the simplicity of the scoring, so I don't agree with the 'save points worth more if you keep a clean sheet' idea.

      I'd just give keepers 5 for a CS (or keepers 6, defenders 5)

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  5. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Can't believe some Rooney owners are being smug about Fergie's latest comments. He usually does the opposite of what he says!

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      it's true what he says though, Rooney needs games and he will play all of them if he's fit imo.

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        When is he ever fit? He's like RVP before the end of 2010.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
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          he's been unlucky is all, remember the gash he got in his thigh? that was terribly unlucky for example.

          Anyway, he's been making quick enough recoveries, I'm not overly worried.

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    2. Captain Shirokov
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      What did he say?

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    3. FACUPARSE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Whats his latest comments please?

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    4. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I have Rooney, and was reassured, even If I shouldn't have been- we all have always known that Rooney needs to play to perform - so brace yourselves for some destruction, shrek style!

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        I'm thinking of getting Giroud so I can have Shrek and a donkey 🙂

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          😆

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        2. Eboue
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          😆

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        3. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          😆

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        4. JK - Cønt â­
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Best comment of the day

          😆 😆 😆

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        5. Eboue
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Get nasri so you have a puss(y) in boots!

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          1. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            😀

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        6. FACUPARSE
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Giroud is better than any Sunderland striker in their whole history

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    5. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      ^This but I guess in this case he thinks van Persie may need a rest.
      Going out of the cup must of hurt.
      Ironic though that both Rooney and van Persie didn't start against Chelsea.

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    6. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      That's what I said..

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    7. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Check Scout Tweets folks.

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  6. Saniul
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    I wonder how many of you guys play MLS fantasy. Over there, goalkeepers get 5 or 6 points even when they don't keep a CS. I wonder if FPL could reward them more, in line with the MLS rules.

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  7. shirtless
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Saurez (c), scores two but gets booked. Saurez>Rooney + Michu>Fellaini next week with two frees. It can't fail!

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Against West Ham without Carroll, pushed up front to avoid trouble with Sturridge on the bench, I doubt he'll get yellow.

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      He only gets booked on bad days... 😉

      It'll either be 1pt or goals galore 🙂

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      1. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        West Ham without Carroll offer no attack threat. aimless crosses into the box without the end product.

        I can see a 4 or 5-0 thrashing being on the cards.

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        1. JK - Cønt â­
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          ^^this^^^

          If Rafa is confirmed out for Monday I'm taking a 1 week punt on GJ

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          1. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Former club. He's bound to score. He bloody owes us owners for last week!! 😡

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    3. FACUPARSE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      i think 1-0 liverpool will happen... Suarez booking

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  8. The Light Knight
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Off topic but Fifa 13 noob here so be gentle
    How often should I play the young squad players to keep them improving?

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Try and get them out on loan if possible. If not, Cup games and League cameos should help.

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      You need to keep an eye on your calendar. When you have a tough game coming up, or two games close together i usually give them a run out to rest my key players. Just keep an eye on energy levels and fixtures.

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    3. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Loan them out 🙂

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    4. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I only play seasons mode.

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    5. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Much obliged lads. 🙂
      Just one more thing, where can you check the players fitness levels apart from in matches?

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      1. Eboue
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        In squad press r1/ rb

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 14 Years
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          Thanks Eboue 🙂

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  9. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    I was going to get RVP for the double, now i'm not so sure.

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      + Rooney?

      xxx

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Of course 🙂

        xxx

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          see you later for sexy time

          🙂

          xxx

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            gays..

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    2. Captain Shirokov
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      +1

      Might forget UTD forwards altogether and keep Suarez.

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      1. JK - Cønt â­
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Rooney looks nailed on 😉

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        1. Captain Shirokov
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          What makes you think that?

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    3. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      man utd have 1 midweek game in 2 months, and that game is followed by a monday game, not saturday or sunday. possibly harshly i don't think hernandez and welbeck will get a chance to take his spot off him. also i refuse to believe an rvp with a week off between each game won't re-find some form

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      1. applebonkers
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        and this coming from a guy who sold rvp last week

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    4. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      away games against west ham and stoke may not be very high scoring.

      Good CS potential though.

      I'll go de Gea, Vidic & Rooney

      or de Gea, Rooney & van Persie (if Suarez gets yellow)

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  10. JK - Cønt â­
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    @Parm

    I considered a few things when I decided to sell Bale

    a) Main rival has Baines, I can't afford to risk a Baines DGW haul where rival has him and I don't
    b) I worked out I'll lose less on Bale than on Michu, and have no issues buying him back either way. Even Bale can't hurt me FPL wise for selling him when he has a blank
    c) Mirallas is more nailed on than Anichebe
    d) MY tv isn't high enough to accommodate Rooney and RvP.

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    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I think Baines will have a poor double, you're heavily reliant on attacking returns as I doubt he'll keep a clean sheet. You'll be lucky to get double figures from him, but that's just my opinion.

      Check his PPI also.

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      1. JK - Cønt â­
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        I agree with your opinion, but we both now what he is capable off. I think that if my main rival didn't have him, I'd go without, but I'm not far enough head to feel comfortable about him having him for a DGW and me not

        He's also an easy route to Vertonghen for his DGW.

        It's high risk to have him due to the factors you mentioned, but due to ML circumstances. it's possibly a bigger risk not to have him IMO. Although a high OR is obviously nice, my ML has cash on the line, as well as rep at work (for winning 2 straight years). That is my main priority ATM.

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        1. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Hmmm, removing Baines, could you afford RVP & Rooney?

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          1. JK - Cønt â­
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            no.

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  11. Jubilanus / BSC Small Boys …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Who do we think are must haves for 33?

    RVP, Walcott, Caz, Fellaini?

    Anybody else?

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Berba

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    2. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      RvP/Roon. Baines I'd say.

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  12. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Ok, last thing I'll add to this debate.

    IF Mark's idea was implemented.

    And goalkeepers were suddenly just as capable of getting consecutive double digit scores (alongside the likes of Bale) then this leads to a difficult moral dilemma.

    Should captaining a goalkeeper be morally acceptable?

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    1. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I like the idea of the possibility for every position to have the highest scorer after 38 GWs. Could make the game even better.

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    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      YES Its the only way I could ever win fpl

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    3. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Hasn't got anything to do with morals even as things stand now.

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        But what I'm getting at is something pertinent to the issue of changing things. Don't you think the idea of captaining goalkeepers is a bit absurd?

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    4. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Returns will still be volatile like Baines' are, so a goalkeeper will still be not a very wise captain punt.

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    5. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Yes, and some will sell assets like Bale to fund moves to bring in reliable keepers.

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    6. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Nothing wrong with putting the (c) on a goalkeeper now. Just requires a mammoth set of balls.

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        but the points ceiling is lower

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  13. Mind över Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    For gw 33:

    a) Mata, Siss and Enrique -> Caz, Fellaini and 5.7m def (Distin?) (-8)
    b) Bale and Sissoko -> Caz and Fellaini (-4) - lose 0.9m on bale

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  14. boc610
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Fergies post match comments always hint as to how angry or happy he is with a player as he is usually pretty upfront and he seemed pretty peeved with RVP for that miss against Chlesea, and happy only with Valencia's performance

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Yup. Should of benched him against Sunderland and started him in the cup if he wanted a confident show.

      van Persie thrives on confidence and feeling that he is at the heart of things. as he did after the Romania game.

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  15. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Team linked. Around 30 points ahead in mini-league, but team needs a lot of work to profit from DGWs and clinch league.

    A -8 this week and a -12 next can get me this for the DGW:

    De Gea*, Federici
    Mertesacker*, Clichy, Azpil, Demel*, Mariappa
    Bale, Cazorla*, Walcott*, Fellaini*, Maloney*
    Rooney*, Suarez, Berbatov*

    Is it worth it?

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    1. daisybcfc
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      no way. 20 point hits are mental. rooney may only get 90 mins. Demel may get 0 or worse in a game. Walcott just coming back from injury may have a rest too. im going to take either a 4 point hit or 8 if im feeling risky.

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    2. get_in
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      20 points is nuts. I'll be taking -8, maybe -12 at a stretch. Whats your current team?

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      1. Jimjam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Begovic, Federici
        Evra, Clichy, Azpilicueta, Davies, Mariappa
        Bale, Walcott, Michu, Sissoko, Maloney
        RVP, Suarez, Lambert

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  16. The Light Knight
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    RVP is finished as a true FPL prospect/option for the rest of the season
    Get over it and move on with your lives

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Thank you.

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    2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Ok.

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    3. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      7 PPG since GW31 😉

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    4. daisybcfc
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      people said he had a dud this week and still got the highest of all United players. Im keeping for a while anyway.

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    5. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Don't agree at all, too definate a statement. Bear in mind Rooney go injured in England game, he is proving far from bulletproof.

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      1. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        ^This you have to consider Fergie stated that he wanted to get back to clean sheets with the knock-out phase of the Champions League approaching. this also coincided with the return of Vidic.

        Since this the wingers have had much more defensive duties and less freedom to supply van Persie.

        Rooney has achieved returns largely through the middle with good one touch link up play.

        Man Utd's goals per game has plummeted with the CS run in the last few games.

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    6. nevins84
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      True

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  17. Phaze 1
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Any update on Debuchy? Weird that all the Newcastle updates have failed to mention him even once.

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Think he'll struggle to make Fulham but should be ok for Sunderland ... focus is on the Benfica match at the moment - no word on him in the ongoing press conference yet.

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      1. Phaze 1
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        thanks

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  18. Ginkapo FPL
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    I have decided Wenger needs to go. I am all for the keeping him forever, except that I have come around to the idea of Mourinho replacing him and I think if this happens it will only happen this summer.

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Wenger+Wilshere -> Madrid also? 😉

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    2. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Don't spend too much money down the bookies this week I have a feeling you are getting very out-of-the-box punty.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        I have had to give up betting on football, I'm useless at it

        On the other hand its the Grand National this weekend! :mrgreen:

        Load up on Seabass

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          This is a good alternative to lining paddy Power's pockets!

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    3. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Agree, I'd go all out and try and bring him to the Emirates ... the attitude of the club needs to change and a figure like Mourinho has the ability to do that.

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    4. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Mourinho likes chucking out the rubbish, signing good established players, being successful and high-tailing it out of dodge. The antithesis of the Arsenal board.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Well when you put it like that I am less supportive, but Moyes would be awful

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          He's the best shag you'll ever have but you wake up realising he's also stolen your carpet.

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  19. BEMBA DA
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    BREAKING NEWS

    Carlos Tevez given 6 month ban and £1000 fine for driving whilst banned

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I wonder did it cost season tickets to the Etihad too 🙄

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Where's that new comments system again?

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        Can't come soon enough...

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    3. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      And community service.

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    4. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      And community service.

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    5. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      it's ok, he can now drive his golf buggy, I don't think a driving ban includes them

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 18 days ago

        🙄

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    6. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      And community service.

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    7. ★FC Borecelona★
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      And community service.

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    8. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Now you're just milking it.

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    9. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      fake news

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    10. /
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Didn't even mention the community service.... That's the last time I read Bemba's BREAKING NEWS.

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    11. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      Shouldn't someone teach him how to drive? If he has no respect for the law and continues to drive then at least he may do so more safely.

      If his offences are not taken seriously i can't really see a better alternative.

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    12. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      And community service.

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  20. Efan Ekoku Pops
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    The thing that annoys me about keepers in FPL is they could have 5 saves in a match, yet will only get rewarded for 3 of them. Over a whole season, this means 76 saves could have happened without earning any save points points; this works out at 25.3 missed points per season.

    I'd suggest a point for every two saves and 5 points for a CS with a fairer share of bonus points, or something like that.

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    1. Captain Shirokov
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      +1

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    2. SC not pearls before swine
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      The problem with pumping up points for saves is that it will hurt the keepers who play for good teams, and don't give up many shots on target. But I guess that's okay, it just might mean that Jaask needs to be priced similarly to Hart.

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    3. JK - Cønt â­
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      +1

      This is basically what I said 2 pages ago, but with the addendum that saves that result in a CS get rewarded a 1 point per save

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    4. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I did just start running the numbers for this exact system (without bonus). It just made all the keepers have incredibly similar scores (as predicted by Bedknobs & Boomsticks)

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  21. You Must Be Jokin Ere
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 18 days ago

    Hows about 2 points only for each penalty scored, regardless of who scores it.
    And what about a 2 point "bonus" for every goal scored outside the box..............

    And whatever happened the bonus for hat-tricks??

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      I like the idea of pens being worth the same. It's not like pens are any more frequent if you're a striker as opposed to a defender, and they aren't any easier, so why should a defender get more for scoring one?

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    2. Efan Ekoku Pops
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 18 days ago

      There should be a hat-trick bonus. I like the idea of extra points for scoring from outside the box! It'll be like points scoring in headers and volleys getting extra points for '"special" goals such as overhead kicks and diving headers!

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      1. JT's Dog
          13 years, 18 days ago

          and how about points for best celebration

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          1. roscola
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            and best haircut

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            1. JT's Dog
                13 years, 18 days ago

                baldist

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            2. Efan Ekoku Pops
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I like that idea! Bale would need to up his game, or he could lose a lot of potential points with his stupid heart thingy

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              1. JT's Dog
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  would you get minus points if you tried a backflip and missed landing

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                  1. Captain Shirokov
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 18 days ago

                    Most definitely.

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        • Hazardous
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          Fergie comments suggest rooney will plag all games well as much as possible while rvp could be rested

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          1. SC not pearls before swine
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            FPL rule number 22: Never listen to Fergie.

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          2. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Rested for what?

            Reserve games?

            Trophy Lifting?

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          3. Crouch Potato!
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Don't see hy he will need rest as things stand now.

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            1. Parm
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              100 points is still possible.

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              1. Crouch Potato!
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Yup, plus RvP will be there next year, he has a say in how much he will want to play. Not a player that likes the bench.

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                1. Parm
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  Golden boot....

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                  1. Hazardous
                    • 13 Years
                    13 years, 18 days ago

                    Suarez....

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          4. The Finnisher
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Which means RVP will play all games and Rooney could be rested.

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            1. Phaze 1
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              this

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          5. SuperOsçarBaby
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            RVP needs that GOLDEN BOOTS 😉

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        • Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          good article, nicely identifying teh problem, yet the solution is a bit radical - one goal scored against can be 10-12 points difference - this will increase the luck factor too much.

          All you need to do is ONE of teh following:

          either 5 points for CS for a keeper
          OR 1 point for teh first 3 saves and 2 for every additional 2 saves

          this will give a slight edge over the situation today, but lets not forget - keepers usually afford more security of starts and less injuries than defenders, so this is something in teh great scheme of things that can compensate for a bit less points.

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Nice angle

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          2. charlie1X
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            The actual points is a small detail. (2xsaves or 3xsave points for CS)

            The principle that saves and clean sheets should be linked, with extra credit given when they lead to points for the team makes sense.

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            1. Lord Flashheart
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              why should they be linked?
              a reading keeper having a fantastic game with 9 saves because his defence is shite and they draw 1-1 against City - should he be penalized for not keep a clean sheet beyond teh points he lost for not having the CS?

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        • nevins84
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 18 days ago

          This DGW is really getting to me now..... There is no DGW players i can bring this week that will outscore what i have already, so that leaves me taking a -8 next week , and to top it all off i don't see any certs for good scores in the DGW apart from Caz, Fell and possibly Berb. The United striker pick is a complete lottery and i dont think any of their forwards will play 180mins wally is another massive gamble which i'd prefer not take.... Who else is there .. Looking like a poor DGW..
          Rant over !!

          🙂

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          1. David Brains - OH NO!
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            I think other good scores will come from RVP, Rooney, DDG, Walcott, Sagna, Baines, Fellaini and possibly Berba/Giroud

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            1. nevins84
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              RVP, Rooney and Wally are huge risks RVP and Wallys form stink plus who says there going to play????
              Sagna.... emmm ok
              Baines maybe
              Giroud.. been there done that and got very little
              Fellani ... yes .. one of few certs for handsome returns

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          2. JT's Dog
              13 years, 18 days ago

              will there be a follow up rant, cause that ended bit early

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          3. Which one of these for the DGW then?

            A) RVP
            B) Rooney
            C) Both if possible

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            1. Captain Shirokov
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              A if you must.

              Although it's a complete toss-up.

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            2. Parm
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              C

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              1. FACUPARSE
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Neither... Won't do much

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            3. David Brains - OH NO!
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              C will be easier if Suarez picks up a yellow card

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              1. charlie1X
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                ^This

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            4. charlie1X
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              c) if they thrash West Ham

              If they beat West Ham (1-2) Stoke (0-1) then:

              b) de Gea, Vidic & Rooney

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          4. Hazardous
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            i think there may need to be a limit which allows you to have a max number of 3 defenders that are priced at or less then 4.5 stopping players from having 5 4.0 defenders?

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            1. Captain Shirokov
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Sorry, but that is ridiculous.

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              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                +42.

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            2. heco87
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Nah, I haven't seen a hugely successful team with 5 x £4.0m defenders.. all part of tactics and strategy.

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              1. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Wow... for someone with those points hits you're actually doing alright this season. a 28 point hit?! Wow.

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              2. Hazardous
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                my rival has this ....

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                1. heco87
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  Link?

                  You are about 80 points clear in all your leagues anyway, why the beef?

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            3. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Why?

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            4. roscola
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Daftest thing I've read today 🙂

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              1. Crouch Potato!
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Its still early 😉

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                1. roscola
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  😀

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            5. David Brains - OH NO!
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              O'Brien and Davies are the only £4.0m defenders that have done particularly well this season and they subsequently rose in value to £4.6m

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            6. charlie1X
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              If you want more valuable defender then you need to reduce the number of them a team has. Currently to compensate for injuries you get 3 from 5

              mid 4/5 from 5

              stk 2/3 from 3

              If 1 or 2 players will hardly ever play they will of course be cheap ones.

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          5. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            I'd like to see some opinion pieces written by Granville...

            I've got some titles readymade for him:

            Dr. SambaLove: How I learned to stop worrying and love Suarez (and Osman)
            Spot the Mifferential

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            1. roscola
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Frisking Nurse Emmanuel

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            2. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              You need help.

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            3. Scroobius Mac
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I wonder if there was any scope for the community to write a n opinion piece as well. Ask for a submission on a certain topic? Maybe just too much admin work.

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              1. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Nice idea ... pick the best submission... little bit of editing perhaps.

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              2. The3rdTurd
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                Nice idea, but they would get a lot of submissions which were just clearly fecking ridiculous.

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                1. Scroobius Mac
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  Quite easy to spot a piece that is never going to make it - not like you have to read every submission.

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                  1. daisybcfc
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 18 days ago

                    also with the new comments system isnt there a rating system? easy to discard lower rating posters?

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          6. Moyo1
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            Lampard in for Walcott?

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            1. charlie1X
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              GW34 yes

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            2. heco87
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I won't be doing that move.

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            3. David Brains - OH NO!
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Hell no.

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          7. FORCA INTER
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            i compleatly disagree with this post

            there is a reason why defenders are so cheap

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            1. Captain Shirokov
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              This post is about Goalkeepers?

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            2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              I'm coming for you

              😈

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              1. FORCA INTER
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 18 days ago

                you can try but we both know that you will fail

                i am superior

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                1. Captain Shirokov
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  😀

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                2. Chu Young Ping Pong
                  • 13 Years
                  13 years, 18 days ago

                  You are. Crush him Forca!

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            3. charlie1X
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              ^This

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          8. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 18 days ago

            I don't know about the others but I understand a little bit Scottish. What Fergie just said: I am gonna start RVP next week and Rooney all together and will gonna bench Rooney for one of the games in the double. RVP needs to win the golden boot. This is mind games with that Liv racist. Evra just gave me the idea 😉

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            1. nevins84
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 18 days ago

              Golden boot already on its way to Melwood

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