[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. CBC
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    13 years, 17 days ago

    Just the article I needed! Thanks!

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    1. Willis.
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      lol

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  2. Declan-
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Can't wait to read this one 🙂

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  3. andres
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Bego bunn
    Baines azp davies harte mariappa
    Bale mata maloney sissoko walcott
    Lambert suarez rvp

    So I have 0 in the bank and 2 FTs.

    How would you start preparing for the double? – probably doing just one transfer now

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    1. andres
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Come on guys, thonking of mata to cazorla to start

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      1. Killitzer
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        that's exactly what i'm planning- or maybe mata---> walcott?

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  4. Az
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    This is an absolutely fantastic idea. Keepers definitely need serious work - you just dont care about them!

    Sign me up to the petition!

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1 I definitely agree with this more than last weeks article

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      1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Agreed. Last weeks was strange. So what if you loose 1m value at the end of the season. I see it as 0.5m gained overall. Also, getting rid of players who you have built up for ages allows much greater flexibility for bringing people in.

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        +1

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  5. /
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think I prefered no FISO to the new look active FISO

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I liked the old one better 🙁

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    2. Spencer
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      It actually looks like some financial software I used to develop. It makes my eyes bleed looking at it.

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  6. charlie1X
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Very good idea to reward save points for a clean sheet.

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  7. LewanGOALski
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Are ahere still some people having their WC and keeping it till GW36 ?

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I'd like to but I have very little Gw33 coverage

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      1. LewanGOALski
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        how many is that for now? For me it's 4 including JEvans and I am targeting 3 more for a 4-point hit and probably keeping WC for DGW36

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Same for me, gotta use it know, as I have played the last weeks like I'm gonna use it in GW33.

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    2. Spencer
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Me.

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  8. Scroobius Mac
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Why should a keeper only gain extra reward for saves if they keep a clean sheet? A striker gains points for scoring even in a loss. If a keeper makes 8 brilliant saves that salvages a point or defends a 2-1 lead why should they effectively lose out.

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      You could still get 1 save point for every 3 saves, but this total would be trebled if the keeper had a clean sheet.

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    2. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Fair point.

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  9. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Keepers definitely need something more. Because of their poor potential i always try and get the cheapest keepers with the most save point potential. Cesar was getting save points and clean sheets until recently, but even so, i'm happy just to take the save the points. Keepers, as they are, are unbalanced.

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1 Makes little sense to go with an expensive keeper unless they are getting consistent clean sheets like De gea

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        The cheaper the keeper, usually the more save points. And they accumulate quite nicely over the season.

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          ^This. Its only the last third of the season when awash with cash that you need to think about an elite keeper.

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  10. Fifa las vegas
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    CR7 to score tonight?

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    1. Fifa las vegas
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Good bet?

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    2. JD
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      hatrick

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      1. Fifa las vegas
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Ya think? really?

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  11. roscola
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Great stuff, Mark.

    I'm not totally sure about your proposed method. It's regularly not the keeper's fault when they don't keep a cleanie, it's defenders who put them in unwinnable positions. A keeper who makes 10 great saves shouldn't lose those save points if their defenders are to blame for conceding a consolation goal.

    I think a simpler system would be to give them save points for every 2 saves instead of every 3. And perhaps also give them a 5 points for a cleanie instead of 4 (similar to the different points available for goalscorers in different positions).

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Yeah that I could get on board with.

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      1. roscola
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I'm massively in favour of anything that helps to diversify the teams out there.

        The scoring system for the game encourages templates by rewarding an ever narrower pool of players. Making goalies as lucrative as top defenders makes for more options and more diverse teams.

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    2. get_in
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Agreed, and given that a defender subbed after 60 keeps a CS, it's much more difficult for a keeper to even get those 4 points.

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    3. adey70
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Agree. Goalkeepers need more points for a clean sheet than defenders, who have assists and goals as other scoring options. Saves rack up points very slowly - nine saves equals one assist, 18 saves equals one defender scoring. Doesn't seem balanced.
      And the bonus points situation has been biased towards goalscorers for too long (especially annoying when all they've done is score a penalty). I remember a time when Scott Parker used to get bonus points for, you know, controlling a game. No more. Means certain players - particularly defensive midfielders - have no real way to win points....

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  12. JD
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    is tevez nailed on ? want to do rooney>tevez after dgw33

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  13. Liastro ⭐️
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    1FT, 1.3m in bank.

    Begovic – Federici

    Evans – Davies – Clyne – Harte – Turner

    Mata – Bale – Cazorla – Michu – Puncheon

    RVP – Suarez – Berbatov

    Thinking Harte -> Sagna (FT), or should I take a hit to get more DGW players in?

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    1. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Michu --> Afro?

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  14. Tommy J
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Can't disagree with this article, however,,,,

    As a counter view-it's quite useful that individual expensive keepers don't score that much more than cheapies so allows two cheap keepers with rotation and saves money for elsewhere-will make this harder to do(I think) as it is likely to push up prices and therefore less money to spend on the rest of your squad-you also have to have two keepers one of which is always benched and therefore money is tied up with less flexibility(I think this makes sense...at least to me!).

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    1. roscola
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      As I say above, making the two-cheapie system the only viable strategy leads to template teams. If goalies are more lucrative then you have a decision to make - one top keeper or two cheapies - and some managers will choose one way, other managers another; that helps to create diversity in the teams.

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  15. FACUPARSE
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Tevez gets 250 hours community service... How he will hate that, would be great if it was litter picking like Boy George on the streets of Manchester

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    1. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      OrLike George Michael - cleaning toilets.

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  16. /
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    What's up with TotalFPL? They have Berbatov on 0% since 2.30am. I'm not having that

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    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      He must have gone up three times since the last GW

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  17. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Great article , I've thought for a long time that keepers are dead rubber unless they are given more flexibility to score points.

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  18. Billy Gilmore
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    141 points in 31 weeks for a £4.5m player is absolutely ridiculous value, so I don't see how that could happen if the prices aren't hiked to accommodate this.

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      This is a good point.

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    2. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      The prices would have to be adjusted accordingly, I guess.

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  19. Sleep Talk
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Sitting at a small restaurant in Chumphon Thailand awaiting the night train to take me to Bangkok. Great to see that the quality articles on here still keeps coming out. 😉

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  20. FACUPARSE
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    31,000 bring in Vertonghen even though he has no game GW33. Clever

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      People also have WCs. I might be bringing him in this week too.

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      1. FACUPARSE
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Good shout...

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        1. FACUPARSE
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          NAAATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Dafuq.

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  21. Buck The Trent
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    With Mark's idea on higher/equitable points opportunity for GKs, then Hart could be priced at 13.6 mil 😯

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    1. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Rubbish next Boselli will be 10m for being on the bench 😉

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  22. /
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    What price will Bego start at next season?

    I'd say 5.5

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Depends on where he is...

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      1. ronty
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        this

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    2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Yep, he'll be 5.5.

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  23. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Current defence:
    Evra – Clichy – Azpilicueta – Davies – Mariappa

    Planning to do Evra -> Mertesacker to free funds for midfielders, and for the DGW

    But also want to get Azpil & Davies out - but for who?

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Sagna/Mert, Vidic & Distin

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  24. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Jsut give them a couple more points for a clean sheet. Problem solved.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Yeah 5pts for keeper CS

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  25. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    1) Cameron first choice again?
    2) Is Having Jevans a double GW cover or waste of space?

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    1. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think so and jevan won't play 2 IMO.

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    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      If you're on a WC I'd get rid of Evans, but if not and he's in your team anyway, I'd keep him.

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  26. Van Dal
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    anyone picked a team for ipl fantasy cricket?

    any tips, standout players?

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    1. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      *bites lip

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      1. Van Dal
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        bites d

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        1. Christina.
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          😯

          You can do that?

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          1. Van Dal
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            ur gal can 😉

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  27. OPTA FPL
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    De Gea

    Wilson G.Johnson Davies

    Bale Mata Walcott Sissoko

    RVP Suarez Sturridge

    Bench: Snodgrass, Evans Pearce

    2FT, 0 money

    A. Snodgrass --> Townsend (free up cash to do Sissokho & G.J --> Santi & Sagna next DGW)
    B. Evans --> Azpilcueta
    C. Others

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    1. HVT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      A but do you get a feeling that this could be Snods week ?

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      1. OPTA FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        actually I dunno who to start,Sissokho or Snodgrass but if I sell him, it will solve my benching headache.

        Everyteam could get CS easily if they play against SUnderland now, I'm very tempted to take that CS (Azpil), rather than wait for uncertain Sagna (or any Arsenal defender)

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  28. heco87
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Enjoyed reading the opinion article again. Agree with the point that the bonus points system needs tinkering to reflect a GKs contribution more accurately but don't think it's fair to compare Hart returns with RVP/Bale returns in that way.

    Looking at the Value stats over the course of the season, the GKs are on a par with other positions ... I think if the above were to be introduced, the price of GKs would have to be increased accordingly or at least given a wider range. I suppose the article does touch upon the ability of the game to strike the right balance but I believe that it is the bonus points system which is flawed in this case rather than anything else. Best example I've got of this to hand is Bunn away at QPR in GW25. Clean sheet and a penalty save without collecting any BPs in a 0-0 draw which, is in effect just as valuable as a goal so why does the PPI not reflect that? He was beaten to the BPs by 2 x attacking midfielders and a defensive midfielder in this match (presumably based on crosses?!) Madness.

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    1. AriseSirGiggsy
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      perhaps what could be altered is the algorithm for bonus point awards to give greater weight to saves and catches, basically involvement in the game - again i favour this over a multiplier system on save points

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  29. AriseSirGiggsy
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Really good article
    I think save point multipliers is a touch unwieldy / complicated, and would make them massively more prominent than defenders, plus would favour attacking teams that allow opposition shots on goal (ie United) more than defensive teams that lock opponents down (ie City) - which is argued in the article is not fantasy football mirroring reality.

    I'd favour a clean sheet point reward hike to 9 points

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  30. Jebus Saves
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    More save points for keepers and recovered ball points for defensive midfielders.

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