[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. onionbarje
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Mark send this article to FPL Towers

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  2. AK ⭐
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Evening. 😀

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  3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    ha, I just spent ages replying to Scroobius Mac about GK baps and only realised now this article is an opinion piece about that very subject of GKs...

    I should really pay more attention 🙁

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  4. Heisenberg:Crystal Meth Pal…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Do you guys reckon Mata will start v Sunderland?

    Chelsea have their 1st leg tomorrow, Sunderland on the 7th, 2nd leg on the 11th and then FA cup on 13th.
    Sick of him not starting and strongly considering transferring to the likes of Coutinho for a punt before I WC next week.

    Having said that, Chelsea would want to hold on to 3rd/4th with Spurs, Arsenal and Everton snapping at their heels.

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    1. ronty
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      He would not have started if Chelsea had won against Soton.

      Rafa and Chelsea need those 3pts against Sunderland desperately.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I believe he will start. He might not play the Rubin game

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    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      No

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    3. 1justlookin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      i reckon he will. I'll have sturridge on the bench if he doesnt tho. when mata plays chelski do not tick and they need the points. think i'll be getting rid after this GW tho.

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    4. Blue-Ghosts
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      monday, thursday,sunday,thursday,saturday! Thats 5 games in 12 days! my guess is he will get a rest in either the sunderland game or a european game so id say 50 50 but my guess is he will start

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  5. Christina.
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Guess how many of the top 15 players overall still have their WC? No cheating and no EVS has played his.

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      4?

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      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        only the 2, guy in 7th and 14th(Jonah?)

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        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          What do I win?

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    2. ronty
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      1?

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    3. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Jonah only

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    4. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      2

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    5. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Just Jonah?

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  6. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    If we are talking about changing the points system, then the defensive midfielders NEED to be rewarded for clean sheets too.

    At the minute, they are under the same scoring system as attacking MD's.

    That's crazy.

    Defensive MD's are not even considered when I am selecting my team.

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    1. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      So you would rather have Tiote then Anderson?

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      1. r0nh
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I never have Anderson!

        Not likely to have Tiote either.

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    2. cassanata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Part of the beauty of the game is its simplicity. A casual player can spend a few minutes to on their team each week and do pretty well. It needs to be kept simple for the casual player otherwise most will have giving up by Christmas.

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      1. r0nh
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Well I think the game should not be geared to the casual's advantage.

        Effort should be rewarded.

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        1. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Unfortunately that would reduce their advertising revenue and the game could end up being shut down.

          Capitalism, man.

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        2. cassanata
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          I think knowledge, skill, balls should be rewarded before effort personaly.

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        ^This it needs to be deep in analysis but broad in its commercial appeal.

        Elegant solutions only please.

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    3. Blue-Ghosts
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      splitting the midfielders into 2 categories would be very messy and even categorising players like dembele or yaya toure could go all wrong! Fellaini would have been categorised as a defensive midfielder for instance! maybe a point for every 4/5 tackles made?

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  7. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    The problem with awarding the same ppi for a save as for a shot on target, is that the balance would swing to the keeper as he gets all the saves whereas the shots are spread between several players..

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Not saying saves should receive the highest PPI in the game but IMO there is too much weighting towards shots on and off anyway.

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      BAP chap says that 1 shot on target could be equal to 8 saves. Thats just mental.

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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        😯

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    3. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      By multiplying the save points by 3 for clean sheets you would be disproportionally rewarding the difficult to get clean sheets.

      Typically 1-0 shut outs by weak home teams against top 6 teams.

      This would be good as:

      1) It would more appropriately reward outstanding performance

      2) It would encourage home rotation meaning a full squad of 15 would be needed.
      (because you would prefer outstanding clean sheets to do nothing ones)

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  8. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    They should have sent Tevez to prison for the run in. Would make bringing in Aguero seem much better.

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    1. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Judge obviously has kettleneck in his FPL team. Friggin casual.

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    2. Give The Todd Some Love
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Would have got Dzeko 🙁

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  9. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Do none of you understand? The PPI system cannot be changed, for it is mathmatically perfect in every way!

    http://www.getstats.org.uk/2011/11/25/the-ea-sports-player-performance-index-helping-us-to-work-out-which-players-are-best-and-why-2/

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    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      They are using Opta next year anyway so who cares.. 😉

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      1. Declan-
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        That's good 🙂

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Opta will only mean it is more accurate than the PA, it won't change the ppi formula

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        1. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Could do. Opta have their own system of rating players - they might use that.

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        2. The Bandit
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          I think a change of 'supplier' will bring with it a new formula..

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        3. 1mills
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          The PPI formula is EA's.

          If going with Opta, Opta or FPL will need to formulate a new calculation.

          It is purely used for Fifa computer game at the moment, FPL are just using it as a sponsored use. It isn't designed for fantasy football which is why it is flawed so much.

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          1. The Finnisher
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Could this mean the BP's are similar to the Members ICT stats?

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            1. 1mills
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              You'd think so, if using Opta stats, you'd assume something like the Opta Index will probably be used for the points?

              I remember that used to be punted about in the papers a lot, but haven't actually seen mention of it in recent years. I assume it still exists though in some form.

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          2. Scroobius Mac
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Not true as far as I'm aware - I believe PPI was a system devised to calculate the relative contributions towards a match result of each action.

            Additionally OPTA are replacing the PA who supplied the stats - doesn't have anything to do with PPI. Although I do anticipate they will use OPTA's system instead.

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            1. 1mills
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              I may be wrong, but PPI existed long before FPL used it for Bonus calculations.

              My understand was EA's only interest in doing that would be for their Team of The Week calculations on FIFA.

              Seems random for them to be involved in that for any other reason?

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        4. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Doesn't this site use Opta (see below).......

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    2. ronty
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      ok

      explain the Stoke-WBA baps and how Robles got 2 last week

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        He made the second highest contribution to the result based on a thorough statistical analysis of past results performed by an idiot.

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        1. ronty
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          😆

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        2. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          🙂

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    3. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I've said it several times before, I'll say it again, and I probably still won't get a rise out of Mark:

      They should use the ITC system.......

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  10. Live4pool
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    huge benching problem this week:

    A) Snoddy (16 pts earlier this season vs. SWA)
    B) Michu (12 pts earlier this season vs. NOR)
    C) Siss (@ home to FUL)
    D) Sturridge (i'm pretty sure he will start against WHM)

    appreciate any advice!

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    1. Blue-Ghosts
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      snoddy based on current form and norwich dont score goals

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  11. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    you could argue that defenders need to be rewarded more with Baines 63 points behind Bale, but it's all relative no? Unless they are priced at 9-11M then why should they be getting similar points as a 9-11M player?

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1

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    2. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Look at defenders vs goalkeepers for example. Sure the top scoring defender is 16 points ahead at this stage (not that much 31 GW's into the season) but lets be fair Baines and Evra have had outstanding season.

      The third best defender is 113, goalkeeper 115

      5th best defender 109, Keeper 112

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        and the two defenders that are a fair way above the GK's started 1-2M higher than most the expensive keepers.

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        1. Got grey hair
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          I agree. In principle a points shake up sounded good but a closer look at points vs £ reveals...

          Goalkeepers £ TS
          Cech 6.4 112
          Jaaskelainen 5.1 112
          Schwarzer 5.1 109

          Defenders £ TS
          Ivanovic 6.9 113
          Vertonghen 6.5 112
          Johnson 6.5 109

          Very similar points but much greater value from the keepers.

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    3. ronty
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      one thing abt a CS for a defender is that it might not be his own fault that leads to
      the defender losing his precious 4 points

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    4. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      bang! nail on head.
      hart is priced the same as podolski and lennon so it's all worked out about right.

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      1. applebonkers
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        well same as lennon, similar to podolski, you get my point

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  12. Penang Sandman
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    sagna + evans for 8 points hit or just sagna for the dg33?

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  13. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Is it too risky to have Fabianski and Bunn as keepers? Both could lose there places. Other that that great price and rotation till the end.

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  14. 1mills
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Good article.

    Bit late so will say Roscola's view on the previous page probably makes more sense, as keepers who play amazing but then lose all their points because of a massive defender error would be unfair.

    A save point for every 2 saves and also giving keepers additional points for each clean sheet. Just increasing that to 5 or 6 points would help level it out a bit.

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    1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I like it in principal, but in practice it would give an even narrower spread of points as the keepers from the top teams get CS points and the keepers from the crap teams get more save points. Makes keepers even more irrelevant.

      It either needs to be more points for CS (boosting the elites) or no points for clean sheets and points for ever save (thus making keepers like Reina the budget options). This would really shake up the way we look at fixtrues too.

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      1. roscola
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I can see how that might happen

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    2. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      'Keeper should get 6 for a CS imo
      Defenders still 4

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  15. Give The Todd Some Love
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Holy crap, didn't realise Paul Robinson had had a pulmonary embolism.
    Poor guy, six months out as well .

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  16. chunk
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Own 6 DGW players and getting 2 in seems the norm on here how
    Many everyone elae planning for GW33

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Come again?

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Give him a minute he isn't superman.

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        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          😀

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  17. Tommyg
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I'm top 1000 and I've had jussi as my only playing keeper for the majority of the season without any real negative result. That in itself speaks for itself. keepers are massively un balanced in the game.
    They have definitly become a bit part in our teams.

    Wouldn't it be nice to have heavy hitting keepers that want with the heavy hitting price because currently the extra outlay is not justified.

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    1. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Jeez, I thought I was consistent in my FPL ranking.

      😯

      Check this out Ben Kirwan!

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      1. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Lol.

        Cheers. 🙂

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    2. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Same goes for defenders across the board...I probably have the only season long back to front team of all the posters on here....It has a season long average of 55 pts (only started gw6 )...I'm not sure where that would place me pro rata but it's fairly low I suspect.

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    3. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Top 1000? Only just! 😉

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      1. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        It still counts!!!!

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  18. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think best I can have is 7 double GW players in GW 33.
    Rooney RVP Jevans
    Sagna Walcott Santi
    Fellaini.

    Beside Berbatov nothing missing right? What are lads double GW players?

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I'll have 6 for -4, no Berbatov or Rooney. Maybe -4 for Berbatov but Suarez is against Reading and Lambert against West Ham at home.

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    2. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Will be DDG, Mert, Demel, Walcott, Santi, Fellaini, Berba, Mirallas

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Will Demel start both of the games?

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          So long as he starts and comes of after 60 mins.

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    3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Rooney and evans I don't like

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    4. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Baines would be useful imo

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    5. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      DDG, Rafael, Baines, Mert, Wally, Cazorla, Fellaini, Berby

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      1. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Will Rafa start?

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        1. The Bandit
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Who knows? I already have him so not selling

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  19. Live4pool
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    i personally wouldn't use any statistics or PPI's for the baps
    i think they should be rewarded to those who influenced the game most..without being based on statistics

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      They tried that, it was too subjective

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      How do you decide that then?

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      1. Live4pool
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        election (by the FPL commitee)

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        1. Got grey hair
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          I like the sound of that. Mixes things up a bit.

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      2. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        The best way IMHO is a statistical analysis. It's the only thing which gives a clear accountable result as to the reason bonus were given. The system we have ain't perfect but its better than some failing eyesight ex pro who thinks that Charlie Adams is the best thing ever!

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    3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Then it's based on opinions which isn't good

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      1. Bubbles
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        This system isn't good either. Correct me if I'm wrong but, with regards to PPI, a 30+ yard screamer would be the same as a 1 yard tap-in. An assist like Dani Alves' last night would count the same as a cross being deflected off/hitting an attacker (this guy gets the assist), falling to his team mate who then scores.

        A save is a save, a goal is a goal, a pass is a pass, etc.

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    4. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1
      The old system was much better

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      1. Live4pool
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        i don't know the old system
        was it being based on my theroy?

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        1. applebonkers
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          it was a questionnaire:

          A) did charlie adam play? (if yes proceed to F) (if no proceed to G)
          B) did richard dunne play? (if yes proceed to F) (if no proceed to G)
          C) did chris eagles play? (if yes proceed to F) (if no proceed to G)
          D) did sotirios kyrgiakos play? (if yes proceed to F) (if no proceed to G)
          E) did barry ferguson play? was it a home game? (if yes proceed to F) (if no proceed to G)
          F) give 3 bps
          G) proceed to dart board

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          1. Live4pool
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            😀

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          2. The Finnisher
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            😆

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          3. FPL Daniel
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Old system was so much better

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          4. Christina.
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Don't forget NZogbia(Wigan) or Milner(Villa)

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          5. The Bandit
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Excellent.... and true 🙂

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          6. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            I think you'll find that Chris Eagles actually got 2BP every week 😛

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        2. Ginkapo FPL
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Yeah the old system was the man in the stand approach. Charlie Adam got 3baps every week and nobody knew why.

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          1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            But at least you could plan for it......

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        3. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
          • 16 Years
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          Yep, 3,2,1 points based on someone's opinion. Players like Fabregas used to be BP hoovers, which seemed fair enough and led to valid alternative stratagies of either going for steady BP scorers (Essien was a great example of that) or less reliable players who just relied on goals and assists (Michu would have been a prime example of one of these this season)

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    5. roscola
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think a stats based approach is good but it needs a final call to be made by a 'man in the stands' when the stats happen to come up with something that is offensive to common sense - like when QPR lost 3-1 to Sunderland last season and yet Taiwo somehow got 3 BAPS.

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    6. JT's Dog
        13 years, 17 days ago

        that would only work if it was based on forca opinion as he is always right after the game

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    7. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Again!!

      Need to lose Harte and cover Rafael/Azpilli with a definite playing defender
      ….but shall i sit tight this GW and save the FT for the DGW’s??

      Bunn

      Zabaleta Azpillicueta Rafael
      Mata Bale Sissoko Cazorla
      Rooney Sturridge Lambert

      Mignolet Snodgrass Davies Harte

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      1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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        Save

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    8. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Interesting opinion piece.

      I think Goalkeepers are very important to a team and often are underrated but I would hate to see Joe Hart rewarded with mega scores for doing the basics.

      I like the way it is right now, where there are gems that need to be found early on (Bego at 4.5m)

      I don't mind the idea about mega save points + CS = mega score but then it would inflate everything and probably make GKs too hard to value. The scores would be mental wouldn't they? Your keeper can suddenly get you 15 points for a big performance...and match the likes of Bale for a period...wouldn't that mean they'd be worth the same as Bale in a way potentially? What price would you give Hart? Does he get more expensive? If so, does he not become once more unobtainable for someone with a small budget?

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      1. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Nothing to do with budget. We all have the same budget to start with and we can control the rises.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
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          yeah but budget does come into it when a keeper is pricey like Joe Hart. We think, well my budget only allows me to have Hart + cheap non-playing keeper so I won't bother.

          The incentive to go 'pricey' like with midfielders is lost.

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
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        another thing...

        weekly GK transfers would then come into the equation...

        If you are going to make GKs really valuable now, then maybe you need to increase the number of transfers allowed?

        We all consider it possible to go a season without hits and we see the GK position as the one we just put on auto-pilot and even can go the whole season only owning one playable keeper if needs be.

        So the point you are making I feel is..how do we get the ordinary FPL player to be more interested in the keeper pick?

        The solution you've offered isn't a bad one, I agree it would solve that issue and make GKs suddenly more entertaining a worthy of our attention.

        But then how does it inflate the rest of the market and how does it affect other player's value? It's a tricky area to mess with in my opinion.

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        1. Tommyg
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          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Definitly tricky. It could swing the other way with keepers being being made captain every week for like you say doing the basics.

          That said it needs addressing. Even with an increase in clean sheets they would still be an after thought.

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        2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          you make a couple of good points here, especially in regard to transfers on keepers. Unless one has no keeper generally no one even bothers with changing keepers unless they have 2 FTs and no idea how to use one (so they change a keeper to avoid losing it) or they are on a wc.

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        3. SPorting
          • 14 Years
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          But keepers are just players like all the rest.

          We choose to make them something special and last choice or waste of time transfers.

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      3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I'm not sure

        I think Mark is arguing that certain keepers like Hart, Cech, and now, DDG are more likely to get CS, but also have fewer saves to make. So Hart for example in average game might make 1 or 2 saves, giving 1 or 2 points (so 4 at best if he keeps the CS).

        But if you take a different example you get different results. Mark used Jussi as he has the most saves, I'm gonna use Migs as I own him (and you're a Sunderland fan)

        Migs has 121 saves and 9 CS. If you take the City game as an example. Migs made 8 saves and kept a CS, giving him 8 points (plus 1 Bap) In this case, under Mark's idea, Migs would have 2+4+8+1 giving him 15 points. Or if you adjust the save points, so only 2 are needed to get 1, then you have Migs getting 4 save points instead of 2.

        This effectively means that all keepers are rewarded equally for a CS, but the one's who have to work harder for it, get greater rewards

        Imagine Vorm last season, or even Bego in the first half of this under a points system like that.

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    9. FACUPARSE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Am bringing in De Gea and Smalling this week for -4 but in preperation for GW33

      Good idea or Bad idea? looks like Rafael is out for a while and i can't see utd scoring too much away from home in both matches.

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      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 16 Years
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        Rafael is out for a while??!!

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        1. FACUPARSE
          • 13 Years
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          just rumours at the mo... but strong rumours

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    10. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
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      How about just lowering the saves needed for a point to 1 or 2.

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
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        but that would mean bumping up their prices. Keepers were priced a bit lower this season compared to last I think?

        Anyways, I like these opinion articles...

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Instead needing 3 saves to need 2 for extra pt. I like it !!!

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        but that's just points for nothing in some cases, save points are already quite generous when you see some of the easy shots players have against keepers.

        I think 3 saves means the keeper has been worked a little and so gets that bonus which makes sense.

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        1. The Finnisher
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Saves aren't given away that easily though, I've seen my keeper make what I thought was 10 saves only to log in to FPL after the game to see 1 save point. (I'm looking at you Jaaskelainen, many weeks ago)

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          1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 14 Years
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            that is the fault of the PA though

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    11. HuttonDressedasLahm
      • 16 Years
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      2 saves per save point, but lower a pen save to 3 or 4 imo. It's still just a save

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      1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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        • 16 Years
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        Espiecially when the taker blasts it ver the bar

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          • 14 Years
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          if the taker misses in that way, the 5 points are not awarded as it's not a save.

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        2. TeamSteam
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          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          They dont get rewarded the save unless they actually save it

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        3. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          They don't get the save points if they don't save it...

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    12. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Repost from previous post:

      Proposed transfers. Which 3 would you prefer?

      A. Michu -> Felliani
      B. Mata -> Carzola
      C. Dawson -> Distin
      D. Lambert -> Berbatov

      Thanks guys who replied. Consensus seems to be certainly A, B and maybe D. Not sure on D either as Lambert is on form also while Berbs can blow hot/cold at times.

      May find a way to get Baines in, but its hard with his pricetag... (all bout the money money money..!) 😉

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Well I don't like C so.........

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      2. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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        • 16 Years
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        Coleman?

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        1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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          • 16 Years
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          Jesus, he classed as a mid, crazy!

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          1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            He is reverse OOP.. Last years OOP is a distant memory.

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      3. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Lambert should outscore Berbatov this game week but Berbatov should outscore Lambert in GW33.

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      4. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
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        Do you have 3 FT's or will you be taking -4?

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        1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
          • 15 Years
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          Only the two that's allowed, so any third trannie would be -4.

          If A and B are set, then basically is it worth spening 4 points to replace Lambert with Berbs?

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          1. The Finnisher
            • 14 Years
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            I'm contemplating the same thing, at the moment I'm leaning towards no, will see how Lambert goes against Reading though.

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            1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Good call. Cheers JOA.

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    13. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      keeper goal should be worth 50 points, bait them forward a bit

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Yeah...same for Mikel

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        1. Optimus.
          • 15 Years
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          😀

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        While you might be taking the mick, I genuinely agree with you that GK goals should be worth at least 20 points.

        When I first started FPL and saw GK goals were the same as defenders I thought it was a disgrace! 😀

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      3. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Sir Alex may go back to sending goalkeepers on to play up front at the end of the season. (in order to help his fantasy team captaincy points tally).

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    14. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      hmmmmm which DGW is worth playing 8 or more DGWs in? This dictates my WC decision.

      I’m thinking that those in MLs who have used their wildcards are currently banking on taking a small hit to keep up in GW33, so that could mean a WC making little difference (if someone didn’t have a WC and I used mine, then I would expect to be in a position to trounce them by more than say 8pts, but most without WCs will have 8+players in DGW33).

      Filling up with 11 DGW33 players on a wildcard could be pointless, as rotation and poor defences will definitely play a part. Jose Enrique v Reading for example could easily outscore Distin or Mertersacker regardless of their 2 fixtures. If Suarez isn’t banned, he’s essential for GW33 too.

      Also to be pragmatic, players need a bench of DGW36 if possible. That way they can then get up to 6/7 players in GW36 without a hit or WC. (with the majority benching bale, davies, michu – this also means most template squads can field 8+ and 7+ for the two weeks, without significant hits).

      So which week has the best potential for a WC player against a non-WC holder? I think GW36

      Is there any chance of the CHE and TOT DGW taking place in a different GW?

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      1. LOCO ABREU
        • 14 Years
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        36 for me.

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        36 because fixtures in 37 & 38 need little or no alteration in squad.

        But if you wildcard in 34 knowing what you want in 36 you can also take account of the fixtures in 34 & 35

        and not to wait confirmation of when other DGW will tale place.

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    15. blokeman
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      52 Points behind in my ML... I need help!!!

      At present I only have 3 DGWers for GW 33 (RVP, Mertesacker, DDG), with the two transfers available to used on the likes of Fellaini and Cazorla/Walcott.

      I have a WC, should I use it in GW 36 or use it in GW 33?

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      1. LOCO ABREU
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        use it now, close the gap.

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        You need 4 hits or a wild card.

        Will you make those 16 points back if you WC in GW36?

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    16. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      This week play:

      A. Dawson (eve)
      B. Wilson (avl)

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      1. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        B

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      2. heco87
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Wilson

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Actually, Dawson... Immediately disagreeing with myself.

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          1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Haha. I've been doing that myself. Both probably 2 pointers so it shouldn't matter I guess.

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      3. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
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        B

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Dawson

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      4. LOCO ABREU
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        A

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      5. Whazza
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        B

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      6. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Love the A B A B replies!! No obvious choice.

        A. Playing against a team without Felliani (is Pienaar back?)
        B. Better at home but with no form whatsoever. Villa very attacking and need the 3 points.

        May go with A I think. Got a feeling EVE will get skooled by Spurs this weekend in their pursuit of a top 4 finish. Cheers all.

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    17. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      spam

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