[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Also, yes we need a 'man in the stand' for baps, but also we need a PPI system which is more relative to position. This would be consistent with the rest of the game. Or you could use a ratio against the player price - so they have to live up to their hype for baps...

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think we could do with the man in the stand.

      Not sure I agree with the ratio against player price though. You pay a premium for certain players because they are likely to get higher points. That's what you're paying for.

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      1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Man inmthe sand was way too subjective. Need to learn from past mistakes

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        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          It was, but it also created some of the best discussions on this site after each matchday.

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          1. The Bandit
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            The outrage was hilarious 🙂

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            1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              It still is - even though they pretend a computer does it....

              5 2BPS the other week. Laughable.

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  2. ManTree(v2!) or just JAY!
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Hey folks

    Here is my team (1 FT):

    Begovic

    Evans, Mertesacker, Samba, Harte, Davies

    Cazorla, Bale, Walcott, Sissoko, Michu

    RVP, Lambert, Suarez

    I'm thinking saving my FT this GW and doing the following for a -4 next week:

    Out: Michu, Evans, Begovic

    In: Fellaini, Hangeland, DeGea

    Thoughts please?
    Thank you

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    1. LOCO ABREU
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      no to hangeland,keep jevans

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  3. cassanata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Just a point I was making a few pages back. If you give keepers more points for saves or clean sheets I think you would see more people pushed to picking more of the same players. At the moment a lot of teams are starting to look the same but the keeper combinations are still varied from team to team.

    Just picking from my mini league out of 12 teams nobody has the same 2 keepers. Midfield and forwards look pretty similar from team to team. The fact people are picking different keepers at the moment should be encouraged and don't go making changes to the system that will stop that.

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Its a repost but this is what i think regarding the articles proposal:

      By multiplying the save points by 3 for clean sheets you would be disproportionally rewarding the difficult to get clean sheets.

      Typically 1-0 shut outs by weak home teams against top 6 teams.

      This would be good as:

      1) It would more appropriately reward outstanding performance

      2) It would encourage home rotation meaning a full squad of 15 would be needed.
      (because you would prefer outstanding clean sheets to do nothing ones)

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  4. nedfoo
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Good article Mark, couldn't agree more. For a while now, it has been fine getting on with one goalkeeper even for a long period - once again undermining their minor impact on our fantasy fortunes.

    I'm not sure that doubling points when a clean-sheet rewarded is the best idea though, it would be hard to illustrate how these points are calculated in the set-format. For captains, its easy to see that there points have been doubled with the captain tag. Maybe another little tag is needed here?

    I like your general thinking though, that the efforts of keepers needed to be rewarded with more points, so why not make it 1 save = 1 point. Firstly, it's a rule which is easy to explain and can be shown easily. Secondly, it will have an instant impact on giving keepers more points - maybe even to the point where they can be considered for captain selection! And lastly, it will encourage more tactical thinking - is it better to play for the clean sheet with a keeper at home against weak opposition or is it better to play a keeper away from home, against strong opposition with the chance of picking up a bucket-load of save points. If you want to get more drastic, you could also ban the -1 picked up for conceding 2 goals, or at least apply the -1 for every 3 goals instead.

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    1. Tommyg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I like that. No clean sheet points. Just save points. If your only making one save because you've got an amazing defence why should a keeper be overly rewarded for doing nothing. Would make keepers that kept teams in the game Fpl gold.

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      1. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Keep the 6 points for saving a pen. The more I think about it I think this is the best solution.

        You could have an inverted price stucture with keepers in poorer teams actually more expensive because of the amount if saves they are likely to make.

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      This is a great post

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  5. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    The site doesn't lets me post about the new price changes site. Just google "Fantasy Premier League Price Tracker"

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      decent

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    2. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Here http://goo.gl/Faf3i

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Actually done by former Fiso lad. I have psoted that comment for 3 times for nothuing. When Total FPL and Fiso having both problems atm.

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      2. ★FC Borecelona★
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Looks sweet

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      3. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        wonder if it has any link to FISO being down lately

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Was thinking the same. Maybe the main man made a transfer. Something like BapChap ending his loan move to FFS Uefa 😉

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    3. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Looks decent

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I agree decent

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    4. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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      13 years, 17 days ago

      Nice one Daniel 🙂

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        thanks man

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    5. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Like the idea - really easy to see the data for an individual.

      But the massive pics and separation of data makes comparisons too difficult - the data is silo'd for each player.

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  6. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Great Article, Mark! 😀

    You may wish to change this: "Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still."

    *Emphatically?

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    1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Yeah, I noticed that too. Although Mark might be an empath. 😉

      Great article though Mark; I agree a change should be made, but just a simple rise in clean sheet value, a la TotelFootball, would do it.

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  7. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Tremmel for the WC !

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    1. LOCO ABREU
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      why?

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        He just wants to get a really high score this week and win a teapot from http://www.simpli-special.co.uk

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    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Does Evs not have a WC?

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      1. HVT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        No -It seems the master played it but the Student remembered to keep it - could this be bugger than Wimbledon winning the Cup ?
        Crazy gang style 🙂

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      2. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Evs that's 8th in the world?

        No.

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  8. Bubbles
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Do goalkeepers really not get enough points?

    Yes it's true that the highest scoring goalkeeper, Hart, only has 121 points compared to 201 for the highest outfield player, RVP, but then Hart is only half the price of RVP, so there should be a big difference in points earned. If you want to give goalkeepers more points, then you've got to increase their prices too.

    No outfield player as cheap as Hart has scored more points than him (and he is THE most expensive goalkeeper available). When it comes to 'value' goalkeepers do rather well.

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    1. cassanata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1, completly agree.

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    2. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think the problem is perhaps in the homogeneity of points. With all other positions there is a large spread of points but with keepers its pretty clumped.

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      1. Bubbles
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        But then, much more than any other position, the prices with goalkeepers are 'clumped', so that's surely the way the points should be distributed.

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        1. Don Andres
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Then just get the cheapest goalie.

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          1. Don Andres
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Reply fail @scroobius mac

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    3. Got grey hair
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Great point.

      So increase price as well as points so you get a balanced team. Rather then flooding keeper and defence with budget options make it more balanced points and price wise.

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    4. ~SpartakMac
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1

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  9. xuwei
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    MLS fantasy scoring system is interesting - it rewards key passes, interceptions, and other plays and doesn't have a biased bonus system that rewards stars and goal scorers. Not sure if its necessarily better but it's interesting and different. None if this three baps for fellaini after draw garbage.

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    1. cassanata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think it leaves too much open to opinion which is not good. For example: was it a bad pass by the attacking player or and interception by the defender, should a key pass to Torres be considered worthy of extra points???

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    2. nedfoo
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I don't mind the interception ones, I think UCL had one for every 5 recovered balls = 1 point or something similar. It definitely made defensive midfielders like your Xabi Alonso's more of a consideration. But having said that, I wouldn't want it added to FPL just because I think we get enough points with bonus and who really wants to watch the match with a keen eye on the defensive mid, cheering on every interception?

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      1. Konig Luther
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        that's true

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  10. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    nice article .....

    i agree there needs to be something extra for keepers than just measley save points....... forwards get the lowest points for a goal, but at least have the greatest chance of scoring in theory so its fair. keepers need to be rewarded so we start paying more attention to them and splash more cash......as it is we all tend to go for cheapie options because its such a waste of valuable spare cash

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  11. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I say change formation altogether and just give players one keeper - their boring end of ...
    1
    5
    5
    4
    !
    🙂

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  12. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Just in, prob old news but Defoe ruled out for 3 games, ssn.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Just don't tell Doos 😉 😛

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I'll keep quiet 😉 Looks like it includes 2 games v Basel, so PL wise would only miss Everton game.

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    2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      bale up front!!! 😉

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    3. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      old news!

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    4. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      OOP Bale forever!

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    5. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Bale(C) this GW it is

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  13. Jimjam
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Begovic – Federici
    Evra – Clichy – Azpilicueta – Davies – Mariappa
    Bale – Walcott – Michu – Sissoko – Maloney
    RVP – Suarez – Lambert

    1FT, 0.2 in bank

    No idea where to start with this lot, but willing to take several hits (no WC).

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    1. Kendog
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      The following would have been perfect if not for the suspension
      Lambert > berbs
      Michu > fellaini

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    2. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      A boring, no-hit plan:

      GW32 - Save your FT
      GW33 - Michu > Fellaini & Lambert > Berbs/Mirallas

      An alternative, exciting plan:

      GW33 Suarez > Rooney, Lambert > Mirallas, Michu > Kagawa

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  14. Optimus.
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    speaking of GKs this would be worth a few fpl points 😯 😀

    http://balls.ie/football/portuguese-goalkeeper-scores-goal/

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      haha amazing, plus a cheeky high five thrown in between.

      this should be worth more than 6 points too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V1EGiA6g2M

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      1. nedfoo
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Lol & What a celebration!!!

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  15. Declan-
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    It's quite difficult coming up with a wc team
    I'm looking at this atm but i'm not really happy

    Ddg, Robles,
    Baines, Sagna, Demel, Alcaraz, Davies
    Santi, Wally, Lampard, Fell, Bale
    Suarez, Lambert, Benteke.

    I don't really want to get rid of any of my strikers and there is no way I can afford a united striker. This team leaves me with nothing also

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    1. LewanGOALski
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Why not Berb instead of Lambert?

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  16. Kendog
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    What is your opinion on who has claim to the united right back spot? Smalling seems the popular pick, although he played CB and only moved to RB for the injury. If smalling and jones were both on the bench I'm thinking sir Alex would have out jones on

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Valencia.

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    2. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      With injury to rafael it will be rotated between Smalling & Valencia in the DGW.

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  17. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think part of the issue with keepers is one of perception. because they have fewer injuries than defenders, and because their bad periods tend to be balanced out by save points, tehre's less incentive to chop and change like with defenders.

    There is some rebalancing to do though, as if you look at PPG rather than total points you can see that defenders do tend to score higher in teh same price bracket, although I suppose you could argue that you're paying for security with Cech rather than Ivanovich.

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      You make some good points but have you considered this:

      By multiplying the save points by 3 for clean sheets you would be disproportionally rewarding the difficult to get clean sheets.

      Typically 1-0 shut outs by weak home teams against top 6 teams.

      This would be good as:

      1) It would more appropriately reward outstanding performance

      2) It would encourage home rotation meaning a full squad of 15 would be needed.
      (because you would prefer outstanding clean sheets to do nothing ones)

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  18. ~SpartakMac
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    'If it ain't broke don't fix it'

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    1. roscola
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think he's arguing that it is broke

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  19. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think the simple solution to all this is to make a separate 'in-game' bonus points system like how the save points thing works now.

    But make them unique to every position.

    e.g

    if a GK reaches a certain threshold for saves/catches in a game he suddenly gets an automatic 2 bonus points IF his team win the game.

    This is a bit like Mark's idea where the save points count mega if the team wins but it stops at 2 extra points which would prevent GK scores getting 'out of hand'

    The same could be done with defenders...if a defender reaches 2/3 blocked shots/10 clearances/5 tackles in a match, they could receive an extra 1 or 2 bonus points SEPARATE to the actual bonus points IF they win the game.

    Midfielders could get the same for crosses/chances created/dribbles/passes completed.

    Strikers for shots on target/dribbles/crosses/chances created etc.

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    1. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Bored now.

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      1. roscola
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Let's play hungry, hungry hippos!

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    2. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      The solution is not elegant.

      The vast majority of people won't understand the points system and this will dent its commercial appeal.

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    3. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think extra points should be offered for positive results away from home.

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    4. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      This is done in Mls(Well some of it ) and it works well imo

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    5. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Terrible idea...

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    6. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      5 points for a CS or -1 for every 3 conceded or 1 pt per 2 saves.

      Only something minor, as they're already decent value.

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  20. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    i think its a shame that the only time a keeper gets a double figure score is the randomness of a peno save.....ie has no bearing on individual or team form, its a lottery when they are awarded and another one when they are saved......this highlights the need for something more

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  21. Jönny
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    My two cents....

    A point for every save seems a bit much, especially since some saves can be from fairly soft shots, i.e. they're not really worthy of a whole point. Equally, doubling points in case of a clean sheet also seems a bit excessive, and would lead to some pretty crazy scores. This second idea also seems to favour the expensive keepers too, and I like the option of having keepers from smaller sides competing with the big guns.

    ALSO, I think the problem is slightly over-stated: the top 5 defenders only outscore the top 5 'keepers by 24 points when you add their scores together - and those 5 defenders have scored 19 and assisted 20 goals between them.

    So, how about a smaller change, like a point for every 2 saves?

    Another thought I've had, but which I haven't properly thought through is: how about changing how CS points work slightly. So, for example, if you concede in the last 80 mins then you only lose half of the CS points, or something like that?

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      certainly i think havin a cs locked in earlier would make things interesting...again perhaps only applies to the keeper rather than the whole defence

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      how would doubling the save points favour the likes of Hart or Cech over say Migs or Jussi?

      It's very rare that Hart makes more than 1 or 2 saves per match. Migs and Jussi can make 6 or 7. I seem to recall Friedel making 11 in one game last season

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      1. Jönny
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I'm not talking about doubling the save points, I'm taking about saying you need 3, rather than 2 saves to get a point for it.

        I don't think the point is to favour the likes of Hart or Cech anyway, is it? It's to reward goalkeepers generally.

        The difference for Jussi making, say 6 saves a match, would only be 1 point between the two scoring systems. In the "11 saves" example, Friedel would score 5 points, as opposed to 3 in my example - which I think is more than fair enough.

        On the expensive goalies front, there were 6 occasions this season where Hart hasn't received ANY save points, depsite making 2 saves in each of those matches. So he'd be 6 points better off under that system. Not huge, but still a bit better off. (That 1 point one week could win you a H2H!)

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  22. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Lads, have I missed something? Have we had some sort of confirmation of a long-term Rafael injury, other than the French article with no source?

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    1. Tommyg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Never trust cheese eating surrender monkeys.

      That is all.

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  23. Tommyg
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think I've got it:

    Keepers get a point for every save they make.

    6 points for a penalty save.

    Clean sheet should be rewarded with 2/3 points only. (This prevents keepers who do little in good defenses being overly rewarded)

    In this system the keepers who are amazing in a match get rewarded for there effort and those who do little in the big teams done get overly rewarded.

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    1. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think you need to rekate points earned for the team (keeper clean sheet) with outstanding performance (multiple saves) So I prefer the suggestion the article has given.

      Keep the current save points system, but treble the save points for a clean sheet.

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      1. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        relate

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      2. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        But that's the point. Keepers who do little in big teams in your system get overly rewarded while the keepers working there ass off get ignored.

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Not if you treble save points for a clean sheet.

          That puts Ruddy and Vorm at the top of the tree along with the likes of Begovic and Jussi.

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    2. Jönny
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Interesting.... shift the balance away from CS to saves. I'd argue you'd have to seriously reduce the price of the like of Hart, De Gea etc to make this work.

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      1. Tommyg
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Yeah most defiantly. Have an inverted price stucture. Those expected to make many saves in poorer team would have to be more expensive than those in top teams.

        I think this is the only way you prevent the keepers from being over balanced the other way.

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  24. Liastro ⭐️
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    The difference between Messi and Ronaldo: Ronaldo is compared to Messi, wheras Messi is compared to Maradona and Pele.

    Discuss.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      One of them rarely scores for the national team and have done nothing on national level

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      1. nedfoo
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Which one is that? Ronaldo carried them in the Euro's until Spain knocked them out, and now Messi is scoring left right and centre for Argentina in the qualifiers.

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    2. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Ronaldo>Messi=maradona=pele???

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    3. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Your Grav, for some reason, really annoys me. Why is that?

      Discuss.

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      1. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I have that feeling too.

        Discuss.

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        1. Funkyav
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Favourite Olympic Event

          Discus

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    4. Don Andres
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Nice one!

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  25. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think I have made my mind. The most boring transfer ever.

    Harte to Demel. Will bench him this week and can play him in a lot of games till the end.
    sot &MUN WIG NEW RDG

    Only if Jevans is confirmed as injured I could sell him instead for Sagna

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    1. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      That's like my b Davies to Reither one last week. Felt so boring...and ultimately unprofitable...but a necessary step.

      I fear Harte will remain on my bench for the duration.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Yeah but I have 2 FT and don't have a clue what to do with my team. I don't want to waste it.

        The team
        Bun Bego
        Turner Davies Cameron (Jevans, Harte)
        Santi Bale Lamps Mata (sissoko)
        RVP Sturridge Lambchop

        2FT and 1.9m in the bank. Only other option is selling one of the mids and bring Fellaini one week too early

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  26. J0E
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I agree some extra points are needed for goalkeepers, but also for defenders as well. Perhaps more for a clean sheet as they are so rare? Maybe 5-6 pts for a clean sheet instead. That would redress the balance nicely.

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Defender 5 and goalie 6. Or maybe 2pts if u concede only 1 goal? Because they could have a wonderful defensive game just one lucky goal or consolation goal means big difference. Like this its gonna be 2opts.

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    2. Tommyg
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      But then you would have to increase the price of the best defenders also? Defenders as they are.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I think 2pts for 1 goal conceded is the answer

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      2. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Perhaps, that could still work. Baines is a winger anyway that would be 8m if he was a mid.

        It perhaps comes back to a point Mark made many months ago about reclassifying players. Attacking midfielders who contribute nothing to a clean sheet getting clean sheet points seems wrong, as does defensive midfielders getting hardly any reward for all their fine passing play. same with defenders, perhaps two different categories for RB and LBs, and centre backs. I suspect this may be a future opinion piece though.

        I also suspect that won't happen as would make the game more complicated (great for us) but not the majority of its 2.5m players.

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Yeah great for hardcore players but bad for casuals

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    3. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Surely defenders could get more attacking points if they need further differentiation.

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  27. Ginkapo FPL
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    The lowest score for the top 5 minutes played keepers is Guzan on 93. Compare that to Harts 121 and therein lies the issue. This difference between keeepers is minimal

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      aye which just pushes you to waste the least cash on a pair of roughly good rotators or the riskier 1 medium 1 ultra cheap non player

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I'm not sure i understand what point you're making, maybe I'm just being slow today?

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    3. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Because keepers in bad teams get the save points, keepers in good teams get CS but rarely get as many saves.

      You don't get that with other positions - mids and fwds either are scoring/assisting or aren't getting points. It does stay true for defenders but then is augmented by massive variation in attacking returns.

      Suppose that you say on 2 penalties a game and keepers had significant variance in their probability of saving penalties then there would be variation in points and price.

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    4. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      But, again, that's surely because of the prices of goalkeepers. The difference between a top price goalkeeper and a low value goalkeeper is far far lower than any other position, so there shouldn't be much of a difference in point earned by a top price and a value goalkeeper.

      Give them, and defenders too while we're at it, more points, fine, but then you should be increasing the prices too, imo.

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      1. Jönny
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        "The difference between a top price goalkeeper and a low value goalkeeper is far far lower than any other position"

        Nail. Head.

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  28. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    a deterrant for keepers going up for corners is being caught out of goal if the corner is cleared. not anymore! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBhtpN-Scw0#t=25s

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      i would love to see this in an pl match 😆

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    2. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      😆 Fantastic.

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    3. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      That is brilliant 😆

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    4. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Nearly as fast as Joe Hart

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    5. ~SpartakMac
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      😆

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  29. The Badger
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Who's the best keeper for long term? can't see anyone with stand out fixtures or DGW coming up, looking like Schwarzer at the minute but he has Newcastle away this GW

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      for this week the only DGW keeper worth owning might be Fab. Long term DDG and Jussi look ok.

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      1. The Badger
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        got too many Arsenal players after I do Michu --> Walcott for the DGW

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    2. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I'd say under the future proposed system ruddy then Vorm, I suggest you consider rotating them if the new system is introduced.

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  30. Sweetpea
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Those WC'ing for gw36, any interested in sharing the team?

    Thinking along the following lines:
    Wigan: Robles, Maloney
    Swansea: Michu
    Citeh: Silva, Zabaleta
    WBA: Lukaku
    Tot: Bale, Dawson

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    1. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Verthongten, Gomez, Davies, Dzeko, Foster

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