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17 April 2013 703 comments
Mark Mark
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Fantasy football is a simple game – in many ways, that remains its strength. While games such as the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) have embroidered the basic foundations of the original Fantasy League game, changes to the trusted formula have been few and far between: when the games do iterate, they do it gradually.

In contrast, Premier League football has shifted dramatically in recent seasons. Tactically, the top-flight teams have adapted shape and formation to the extent that we’re seeing very few take to the field in a traditional 4-4-2, opting instead for an adaptation of 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3. The lone forward, with flanking attackers or a support striker raiding from just in front of the midfield, is now becoming the norm when Sky reel out their pre-match graphics. This has had several knock-on effects on the roles that players adopt on a weekend and, subsequently their Fantasy output over the season. The question is, are the folk behind our Fantasy games aware of the impact this is having and are they brave enough to adapt accordingly?

For me, the popularity of the 4-5-1 or the 4-4-1-1 and the increased use of the lone striker is the main contributor to the growth of the Fantasy team template. The formation has changed the roles of individuals in the player list, making the key targets obvious and consigning yet another batch of players to limbo status along with defensive midfielders.

With so many teams playing a lone striker, we’re seeing our choice in this position narrowed immediately. A whole swathe of talented forwards such as Lukas Podolski, Kevin Mirallas, Peter Odemwingie and Danny Welbeck are rarely given the opportunity to flourish in a 4-4-2 – instead deployed wide and therefore banished to the cupboard by Fantasy managers, only to be called upon when the fixture list and, in particular, double Gameweeks, add to their limited attraction.

In addition, the midfield pool is also narrowed as a result of the growth of the support striker. Players such as Michu, Marouane Fellaini and Kevin Nolan emerge as obvious targets that are available for midfield prices but are thrust into the attack and capable of earning profits to surpass the majority of strikers on offer, let alone wingers.

So both the forward and midfield talent pools become smaller. In the FPL, we find ourselves picking from a cast of around 15 players to fill eight slots. Budget and mid-price options supplement this and rise and fall in popularity but, basically, as the 4-4-1-1 has flourished, we’ve seen obvious targets emerge to reduce the variety on show within our teams and leagues.

I’ve spoken before on how I see an additional attacking midfielder position or perhaps just a new “attacker” or “forward” position to complement the “strikers”. This fifth pool of players would incorporate the likes of Michu and Mirallas, forcing us to sign traditional midfielders in our midfield (Mousa Dembele, Mikel Arteta etc), whilst choosing from a pool of support strikers, wingers and flanking forwards to accompany our choice of lone strikers (Robin Van Persie, Sergio Aguero). This would not only open up the possibility of greater variety in our squads, it would make it a hell of lot easier to classify the likes of Michu every season: in many ways, he’s not a striker or a midfielder – he’s a “forward” or an “attacker”.

Without a change and with the 4-4-1-1 variants looking likely to remain in vogue, we’re facing another season where templates will form, while Fantasy game organisers spend the summer pondering what to do with Michu and Fellaini. Don’t force players into Fantasy football positions that fail to reflect their role. Create a new position to reflect their contributions and the changing face of tactics in the Premier League.

One of the objectives of Fantasy games next and every season, should to ensure that as much of the player list remains active. That not only the defensive midfielders have a role to play, but also those players marginalised by the 4-4-1-1 come back into the reckoning. When I make my pre-season Watchlist, I want to consider more players; I want to find value in wingers and support strikers – either through price but, ideally, through the adaptation of the classic positions or the evolution of scoring methods that recognise their contribution – even when deployed as flank attackers.

It’s a major puzzle for those behind the games but, again, those that take time to analyse the impact of the recent tactical trends and hone their game accordingly will surely have an opportunity to future proof their game, whilst increasing their appeal to an audience that is evolving its own tactical nous and appreciation of Premier League football.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Berbalove
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    What do people think of the idea of "fixing" your captain for a given number of weeks?
    E.g. you could fix him for 5 weeks, and multiply the total score by a factor bigger than 2.
    Could be interesting, making or breaking seasons by good or bad long term captain choices.

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Its bad enough you get double points for a captain.

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    2. floydy_floyd
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      terrible idea. What if ur captain broke his leg in the first game?

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      1. Frazek
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Wouldn't VC step in? Could fix both. It could make an interesting addendum to the current rules/strategy.

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        1. floydy_floyd
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          picking a captain is part of the fun of the game

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Then you can opt out of the fixing. Start over with a new "fixed" captain next GW. Also, you don't get the fixing bonus, you just get the regular factor of 2.

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        1. floydy_floyd
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          so if he gets injured in the 3rd they then remove the fixing bonus for the 2nd game? Poor idea imo

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          1. Berbalove
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            The fixing factor would be higher than two in part because you run the risk of an injury. It's a risk, but if communicated clearly, why not?

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    3. ILOVEBAPS
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I like it! It's like a version of doubling up!

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    4. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Would make captaining the likes of Cazorla easier, as he is wildly fluctuating from game to game, but rather stable on a 5 games running average.

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  2. marty_mcfly
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    can someone explain to me why RVP as captain is so popular for GW34? he’s scored 1 in the last 11, from a penalty, and he still looked pretty out of touch against stoke. i don’t see what the attraction is

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 13 Years
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      RVP is RVP.

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    2. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Who else would u captain this week?

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      1. boc610
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        walcott or santi...it is fulham after all.

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        1. r0nh
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Fulham always do well at home to Arsenal

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      2. marty_mcfly
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        i don't have RVP in my team, i'm just curious. depending on what happens tomorrow morning (particularly where rooney plays) i'm thinking either rooney or aguero

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      3. ILOVEBAPS
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Michu

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    3. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Form is temporary but nostalgia and denial are permanent

      or something.

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    4. Live4pool
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      explosion imminent

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    5. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
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      He's RVP

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    6. 42 Rules
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Golden Boot thingy me jig

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    7. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Top scorer of top scoring team at home to bottom side. Hmmm...

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      1. marty_mcfly
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        so the fact that he hasn't scored from open play in over 10 games is irrelevant?

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        1. Berbalove
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Not totally, but every now and then strikers go x number of games without scoring. Usually, the start scoring again. And this is - mnid you - RvP. Even though he has not scored well over the last weeks, I think his general play has been decent.

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Seriously though, he's had the chances to score many more than the one he has. He SHOULD have scored more, and probably will start scoring more normally in the coming GWs. Key word - probably.

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  3. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    How many games are Utd on the TV?

    Surely they are on far more than any other team.

    That should be illegal.

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    1. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Great post, let's all watch Stoke and Fulham on a Sunday instead of United Arsenal.

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    2. Pinatta
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      what do you want then

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      1. r0nh
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I want an angry reaction from Utd fans!!

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        1. Pinatta
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          IM SO F * KING MAD BRO

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        2. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          you already got one!

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        3. The Gambler.
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          thing is, they are so dull to watch too.

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          1. Pinatta
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            you never know, yesterday would be a GREAT game but boy I think even the hunger games was more enjoyable

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  4. Back to Back Ballacks
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    12 years, 7 months ago

    Great article, well written but not sure extra positions will be a good thing.
    I'm all for DM's getting more credit and Keepers too but the 'Fellaini' role should be left as a mid imo.
    If you class a player like him as a fwd (or new attacking mid role) then it messes things up.
    At present you gamble on him playing up top and if he doesn't (as in the dgw) then you suffer the consequences and a valuable mid position in your squad is lost to just appearance points and you must consider shifting him out or holding in case he reverts to an attacking role.

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    1. roscola
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      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I agree. I think they could fix the whole problem by rejigging the bonus points system so that it doesn't reward goals and assists (which are already rewarded) but rewards passes, interceptions etc

      I think you'd end up with several Pirlo type players who get very consistent returns but that would be your choice - you decide whether you prefer consistent small returns or gamble on goals?

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        this is brilliant

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      2. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
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        This.

        The old system tended to reward the Fabregas (now Cazorla) type players who ran matches and who also tended to get a lot of golas and assists, leading to the big 10m+ mids we used to see a few years ago. I think that a stats based bonus system purely focused on 'other things' would bring us back towards this, but by purposely ignoring goals and assists and rewarding less flashy things like tackles it might skew it slightly to the defensive mids, givnig a resurgance to the Essien / Duncan Fergasun type players of old and giving another way to play.

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      For most of the season the underpriced Fellaini and Michu were staples in every midfield. This had an effect on team variation imo. I think this will continue with new midfielders playing in the hole.

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      1. Back to Back Ballacks
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I went w/o Michu all season, only had him for the DGW. I din't suffer too much, also missed a fair few Fellaini hauls.
        Roscola sums it up nicely above imo.

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    3. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Agreed. Also, I think that's part of the fun. The first time you see a new signing has been classed in the wrong position to FPL managers' advantage is great. Researching new signings at the beginning of the season can really get you an early lead. The DM thing would be a real plus, especially if you have someone in that role who takes pens like Gerrard.

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    4. ILOVEBAPS
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Good point B2BB. I too am in favour of better returns for keepers and defensive mids. And like you said these 'new attacking' mids don't sometimes play these roles so why should we possibly pay more for them and get less returns? Just sayin'.

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      1. Back to Back Ballacks
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Exactly, you can choose to ignore or hop on as you wish. The points scoring players will still be the same individuals, adding points for DM's would defo be a good thing.
        Carrick is consistent as they come in the SKY game, 5/6 points every week. That's enough imo, attacking points have to remain the holy grail.
        GOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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      2. Sparker
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Definitely need more returns for keepers - look at McCarthy vs. Liverpool. Gets a 1 point bonus for keeping it 0-0 with 12 saves. Al Habsi has done similar things for Wigan yet no returns. Not much point in having a full team made up of GKs, Defs, Mids and Forwards if the game points centre on a small number of players and a few spares. Needs a more dynamic categorization .

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    5. Vote Joke
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I agree. Should have the whole 'recovered ball' thing as they do in the World Cup/Euro Cup games.

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  5. Turkish
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Gonna get Sturridge out this week but for Kone or Lukaku?

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    1. Live4pool
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      he loves to score against former clubs
      brace against chelsea coming up
      mark my words

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      1. Pinatta
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        you know he can not play?

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        1. The Gambler.
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          he can

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        2. Live4pool
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          he isn't loaned
          we bought him

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        3. ILOVEBAPS
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Why not?! He isn't a loanee.

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          1. Pinatta
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            thought it was on Lukaku
            /fail

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        4. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
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          He's talking about Sturridge.

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    2. Dealbert
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Kone

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  6. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Understand the idea Mark but surely pricing in the way round it.

    Michu becomes £9m
    Arteta £7m

    simples

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      michu will be a striker I reckon

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        RIP Michu

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        1. beric
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          yeah i reckon so. it's been a good year with him though 🙂

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          1. Adnan Shah
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            There is always one Adam, Siggy, Michu every season.

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      2. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Michu would be 26 points worse off from goals and cleanie points if he had been a striker all season; still higher total score than Benteke, Berbatov and Ba for the same or less money. Not so bad!

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        1. beric
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          better than i thought. lets see what his price is

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    2. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      A random player seems to emerge every year. He is priced accordingly and exceeds expectations

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Indeed, and finding these diamonds as early as possible is one of the keys to this game. The same as it is in any fantasy sports game

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  7. Make United Great Again
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Zaba Gerrard Rooney or Clichy Michu RVP?

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      CMR

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      1. Pinatta
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        what do you say after Rooney brace tonight?

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        1. beric
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          i say the same!

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        2. Make United Great Again
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I just don't think Gerrard or Rooney are offering much anymore

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    2. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Zaba a rotation worry so second option.

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      1. Make United Great Again
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Exactly my thoughts! Cheers buddy 😀

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  8. Berbalove
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Inventing another FPL position could make it even harder to categorize players correctly, I think. Somehow, the ideal thing to do would be to assign player points after which position they played in any game. Of course, this too is problematic. E.g. Fellaini could easily be imagined playing one half as DMC and the other as AMC.

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      yeah it would make fellaini a bad pick

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  9. Gargamel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Interesting piece.

    I might be boring here but I think the greatest strength of FPL is its simplicity, so I'd rather keep it as it is.

    Another (only somewhat related) opinion of mine is that the game doesn't necessarily have to pretend to be about recognizing the best players, or rewarding things like key passes and recovered balls and all that. It is a game about finding players who get goals/assist/cleanies that doesn't really have much to do with how good they are, and I think that is perfectly fine.

    The worst possible scenario for me would be one where friends etc lost interest because the game was too complex. There are other games that do these kind of rule/system variations and they're probably great for some, but it also shows something that this game has 2 500 000+ players and the others do not. It's not only because it's the official game.

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    1. beric
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      nice post

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    2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Couldn't have put it better myself

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    3. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1 its all about prices

      casuals will buy Arteta/Cleverly/Carrick/Mikel etc if their value is low enough so let them do it!

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    4. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1

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    5. ILOVEBAPS
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Still I think keepers are undervalued points wise. But you have a point for keeping things simple.

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      1. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        The keeper position "opinion piece" I agreed more on than this. There's clearly a point in this piece as well, but I can't think of any easy fixes.

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    6. Frazek
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Very much agree Gargs. Mates of mine think FPL is overly-complex as it is. I do think there may be some mileage in looking at defenders though, as Mark flagged in an article a little while back. Some sort of tinkering to make them more attractive is worth looking at. Even if the decision is to stick with the current set-up in the end, it's still worthy of looking in to.

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    7. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      post of the week

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    8. fcn
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      +1

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  10. The3rdTurd
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Agree with most of this, but changing formations by itself won't be enough to being about the desired outcome of having a wider pool of active players. If you're forced to pick a defensive mid as part of your team, they will all be scoring a consistent 2-3 points each week under the current scoring system, so there is no skill involved in picking which defensive mid to go with.

    Therefore I think an overhaul of the points scoring is also necessary. The current system is essentially based on only three factors - playing time, scoring goals and keeping clean sheets. This is a rather narrow view to take when you consider there is a plethora of stats available for every game from the likes of OPTA, and which could be used to award FPL points.

    There is no reason why defensive mids couldn't be awarded points for things like interceptions, passes made, pass completion, blocks, clearances, etc. etc. On the face of it this makes the game more complicated for casuals, but I don't think that's necessarily true; the current system already has many subtleties which will go over the heads of most casual players.

    You could argue that most of these additional statistics are already factored into the award of bonus points, however I find that very unsatisfactory since that system is skewed in favour of attacking players, and there are only 3 bonus points on offer in each game. Even if the bonus system were more evenly balanced across the different playing positions, it is still rewarding only exceptional performance whereas there should be a basic level of reward for a defensive mid just doing their job.

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    1. Opta out
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      The Metro version of the game with FPL pricing system would be the best option.

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  11. SuperOsçarBaby
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    a) Lloris + Rangel
    or
    b) Vorm + Dawson ?/

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  12. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    A few things...

    Firstly, Mirallas, if he is continually played as a winger/midfielder, then he should be changed to a midfielder next year. Same with Coleman, he should be a defender because he is being deployed as one.

    Welbeck's appeal isn't diminished because he plays wide, it's because he doesn't play every game, simple. Podolski the same, although he has played wide most season he has still scored ok. But if he was better he might have scored more, nothing really to do with his position, just his performances, if Ronaldo or Bale was played there he'd still score loads.

    And with Odemwingie, if he's put wing instead of up front, what can one do? Reward him for his off target long rangers? I don't really feel 'sorry' for these guys that they are now a bit useless in fantasy football, it's just the way it goes. It's about performance, as I said, if they're a good player they will get goals and assists still like Mirallas is doing lately.

    On the subject of making other unfashionable players more useful in Fantasy football, I am still hugely skeptical. I'm yet to hear a convincing argument about why I should want to own someone like Mikel, Tiote or Cattermole. Other than 'they get left out'...but they don't, they rack up the yellow cards with great aplomb!

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
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      +1

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        😯

        you actually agree with me on something??

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        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
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          If you post something that makes sense to me, yes. It's just a shame that you create about 100 new threads every day and 90% of them are absolute garbage. Hopefully the new comments system will make you more bearable

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    2. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      The key point for me is variety of teams. As Mark says, there's a pool of around 15 viable players for 8 forward slots. It's a rare H2H that isn't decided by two three differences in teams. The game needs a wider pool of viable players to encourage alternative strategies.

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I disagree that there has only been 15 viable players in attack all season but I get what you mean about H2Hs...but if you change the game then it will soon also have a similar template with only two or three differences, no?

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        1. roscola
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          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          At any one time there is a pool of about 15 viable players.

          I think it would be possible to change the game so that it widens the pool. My favourite way (I wrote it above) is to change the BAPS system so that it doesn't reward goals and assists but rewards playmaking instead. You'd then have some players (e.g. Carrick) who get consistent 4-6 points per game, some who get that plus goals and assists and some who get only goals and assists. You then get variety of strategy - the conservative approach where you settle for the consistent returns, the gamblers who opt for the more lucrative but elusive goalscorers etc etc

          Obviously the pricing would still be key to creating the right balance so that all players are still viable.

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    3. Make United Great Again
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      + 100000000000000

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    4. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
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      🙄

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  13. The_Dude
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Great ideas Mark. Why don't you create a breakaway fantasy football game?

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  14. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    If we are talking about changes to the game, the main change should be the bonus points!!!

    The current method is useless.

    For example, a player that misses a tap in from 1 yard out (hits the keeper) is more likely to get a bonus point than a player who hits the post with an overhead volley from the half way line!!

    Remove bonus altogether I say.

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    1. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      man in the stands method again pls

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      1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +1

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      2. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Can't believe this.

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    2. /
      • 12 Years
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      😯

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    3. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I like the official man of the match getting 2 pts.

      Ok sometimes we disagree with the chosen MOTM after watching a game, but everyone knows McCarthy was MOTM vs LFC and he only got 1BP

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Who makes them official? The stadium MOTM will always be a home player. SkySports MOTM? Not every game is on live, are we then relying on what they say on their website?

        Do premierleague.com give an official MOTM for every game?

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        1. Professor Abel X
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I rarely agree with the SkySports MOTM, and quite often think their 'man' has been distinctly average.

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    4. floydy_floyd
      • 15 Years
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      lol true Ron... true

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    5. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Bonus points are great getting rid of them would get rid of one of the best parts of the game. There is no perfect system for rewarding the best players on the pitch. Stats sometimes do not reflect what happened in a game and the man in the stand can get it wrong from time to time because he is human. The best system for bonus points would be to give them to the highest scoring player on the pitch not the best player and if players get the same amount of points give them both 3 and get rid the 2 points

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    6. Berbalove
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      OPTA has a stat called Big Chance, don't they? Don't know how it's done today, but why not count Big Chances missed as a more negative than a regular, speculative shot off target.

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      1. Berbalove
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Still want bonus. Maybe there should be a mix of stat-based and man-in-the-stand-based bonus.

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  15. Professor Abel X
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I like the game as it is. Think it may be too complicated if you start messing around too much. As it is at the moment, OOP prospects simply reward the people who are still paying attention.

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    1. fcn
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      This !

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  16. Professor Abel X
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Jordi Gomez a decent prospect for Wigan? There's something about Maloney that I just don't trust in my squad

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    1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      He is cheap and nailed on to play everyweek. He scores occasionally and is a decent option if one of your first choice four has an appaling fixture. Gomez is not rotation proof

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      1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        * does not have

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  17. COW
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Weekend Press Confs.

    Will they still be on Friday? Considering games today?

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    1. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      yeah games are still saturday

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      1. COW
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Ta

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  18. ViperStripes
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I like the idea of a wildcard player that can be anyone of your front 8, so some weeks you might only have 4 midfielders because your floating player is a forward. But the WC player isn't a set player, jsut a drag and drop position like the bench, so that you don't have 3 Forwards, 4 mids and 1 wildcard with 1 player stuck in the WC spot that you would need to make a transfer to release.

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  19. /
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Gw 36: everyone has Bale (c). Everyone has Maloney. Everyone has Tevez.

    Yawn.

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Robles/Hart
      Davies Zaba Vertonghen/Dawson
      Bale(c) Michu Maloney ....
      Aguero ..... .....

      I sense a lot of teams will look similar to this, i know mine will

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    2. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Prefer Michu, Yaya/Silva, Hazard/Mata over Maloney

      Maloney would be my 5th mid (benched)

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        What's the point owning him if you won't even play him in a DGW?

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        1. The Gambler.
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          thats my point, I'd rather not have him than shoe-horn him in when I have 4 better mids and 3 better forwards.

          he's not essential, thats my point!

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    3. ILOVEBAPS
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Why doesn't someone write a post about possible game changes then?

      Oh wait...

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  20. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I wish they remove those little exclamation marks(red/yellow etc) allowing ppl to actually find out information rather than be spoon fed

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    1. Willis.
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      -1

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        when's the last time you used that as an indicator honestly?

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    2. Demí
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      That's silly

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  21. Jaswarbrick
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    A) Gerrard > Michu or
    B) Sissoko > Snodgrass

    for a 1 week punt. (I'm likely playing wildcard in GW35)

    cheers

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    1. ILOVEBAPS
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      A.

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    2. HelloSidney
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Tough one, Gerrard tends to be good in the bigger games.

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  22. Pinatta
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Anyone whatching Trentino?
    http://www.myhdfooty.com/stream.php?id=20

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    1. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      yup.. pulp fiction rerun tonight

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      1. Pinatta
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        no cycling love here 🙁

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  23. ron.44
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Another good point Mark. leaves me with more questions than answers, but its def an issue that needed to be addressed.

    There are SO many players that will never get a look-in FPL-wise with the current player classifications and rewards/lack of. The template team is def a product of FPL managers feeling that they only have a few REAL options in each position, and those taking advantage of OOP players.

    Any move that brings the huge amount of unused players(many reg starters in their respective teams) in from the fpl cold is surely beneficial to us managers and the fantasy game in general.

    I for one def would like to see the squad options given a shake-up.

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    1. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      The do Ron Ron Ron, the do Ron Ron Ron...

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  24. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Great article and refreshes some minor issues with the game. The problem with classing DM positions is it's not a nailed on role for some players or teams. Sometimes Liverpool for example play a 4-2-3-1, with Gerrarrd one of the DM's. When we change to 4-3-3, he plays much further forward and always looks like scoring. I've seen lots of players shifted around from week to week; Wilshere has played in the hole, CM, DM...
    If they do try something like adding DM position, maybe an assist can be worth 4, Clean S 2-3, just a little fiddle is needed imo.

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  25. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Is this enough DGW36 cover? (would be for -12 spead over next few GWs)

    Vertongen
    Zabaleta
    Michu
    Hazard
    Silva
    Bale (if fit)
    Aguero

    have I missed anyone?

    also have De Gea | Sagna | Suarez | Berba.

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    1. HelloSidney
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      3 City, really? I'm honestly contmeplating no City.

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    • 12 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I haven't been playing FPL for as long as some, was there was a time when someone just picked who he thought were the 3 best players for the bonus?

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    1. Willis.
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Adam. 3 boners every week for doing nothing.

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      1. The Gambler.
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        he was the main man in every blackpool game to be fair

        same with lamps

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        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Exactly right. He was superb for them

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    2. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Fabregas,Lampard, any other England international

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I think there were players who racked up bonuses each week which is why they changed it, but you still hear people on here say stuff like 'bring back the old baps system' as if it was any better.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        finding funds for larsson over dunne, hangeland over hughes etc actually made sense that time cause of the predictable bonus... rewarded you for spendin more

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    4. HelloSidney
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      People maoned about the old one but this one basically is just added points for goal scorers.

      e.g McCarthy would have been aniled on 3 from Saturday's Redaing/Liverpool game and rightly so.

      I think I preferred the old one, but I did maon at the time.

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    5. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      The point was though that you'd have players who got attacking points and boni (who were sweet), players who got attacking points but few boni, and players who got boni but few attacking points. Now all you have is players who get attacking points and consequently boni, which massively cuts your options.

      The easiest obvious example is defenders. It used to be a perfectly acceptable tactic to pick and play someone like Lescott or Dunne purely because they regularly got boni, rather than only for clean sheets.

      The other effect of the current system is that it creates much more of a lottery. A goal for a midfielder is now often worth 8 pts (including the boni) rather than 5, meaning that the game is much more hit and miss and prone to luck.

      About the only possitive thing that can be said for it is that strikers now get the points that their prices deserve, as opposed to the game being dominated by big name mids, but that could easily be rectified by making all goals worth the same regardless of position.

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  27. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The 3 main midfielders pointed out are;
    Kevin Nolan - he hasn't even done much, where is he on the midfielders table?
    Michu - he was a new signing, relatively unknown and nobody would have known he would be pretty much a centre forward.
    Fellaini - A DM before a few games at the end of last season. He would have been a DM on FPL at the start of the season if they changed it up.

    Michu and Fellaini will be priced accordingly next season. I dont think the entire game needs changing based on a few exeption.

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    1. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      totally agree, why complicate matters.

      just hope Mark doesnt sway the powers at be at FPL towers

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      good point, they would have made an absolute hash of it if Mark's idea had been implemented pre-season.

      For instance, Fellaini like you said would have been a DM and then be bought by every single player on earth for his goals.

      So it just highlights how easily this complication of things can go wrong.

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  28. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Need to be clear on Welbeck. A specialist striker deployed on the wing, will dimish his goal scoring chances. A winger, ie Walcott deployed as a striker is a much better option, although may not be as effecient as a specialist striker. Also the term winger nees attention. The are deployed in a number of ways, and differently every team. Eg, Townsends role as a winger is far more expansive than just running down the wing, where as for eg, when Hoilett is fielded at the same time, his function is that of the out and out winger..

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    1. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Reply fail, Paolo.

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    2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      but so what? what does that have to do with points scoring? Do you give them points for being a winger?

      There you go Hoillett, here's some sympathy points for being a winger!

      err... 😯

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Read it again, it has a lot to do with points scoring, and more importantly your team structure. With Michu and Walcott you have midfielders potentially deployed as strikers.. With Welbeck you buy a striker who is playing on the wing.

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      2. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Why the sarcaasm btw? Save it for others, My post was reasonable in its approach.

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        1. SammoUK111
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          +1

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  29. Reedy
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Great article. I agree that the current balance of the game looks to be in jeopardy, but wondering whether this could just be an anomalous season?

    There have been just enough forwards classified as midfielders to populate our midfields without having to engage too much of the grey matter, but how many of them will be reclassified ahead of next season? I can see Michu becoming a forward option and those like Fellaini that reclassification wouldn't apply to can surely look forward to a steep price hike.

    Besides this, it would only take a few of the defences in the league to return to the better form of seasons past and different formations like 4-3-3 and 5-3-2 may even come back into our thinking.

    I'm in my seventh season and have never noticed this kind of imbalance in the game before (aside from the limited appeal of defensive mids, which has always been true) so maybe I'm just hoping the present problem will just 'go away'. 🙂

    I think the old bonus point system used to help smooth things out though, as the man in the stands could help redress the balance and throw a few baps in the direction of Phil Neville.

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  30. COW
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    @Mark - Would there be anyway to get on the front page a list of the fixtures each GW? One we can click though each GW?
    I use the FPL App and always need to keep going back and forth to see whos playing who and what games are coming up.

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