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17 April 2013 703 comments
Mark Mark
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Fantasy football is a simple game – in many ways, that remains its strength. While games such as the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) have embroidered the basic foundations of the original Fantasy League game, changes to the trusted formula have been few and far between: when the games do iterate, they do it gradually.

In contrast, Premier League football has shifted dramatically in recent seasons. Tactically, the top-flight teams have adapted shape and formation to the extent that we’re seeing very few take to the field in a traditional 4-4-2, opting instead for an adaptation of 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-3. The lone forward, with flanking attackers or a support striker raiding from just in front of the midfield, is now becoming the norm when Sky reel out their pre-match graphics. This has had several knock-on effects on the roles that players adopt on a weekend and, subsequently their Fantasy output over the season. The question is, are the folk behind our Fantasy games aware of the impact this is having and are they brave enough to adapt accordingly?

For me, the popularity of the 4-5-1 or the 4-4-1-1 and the increased use of the lone striker is the main contributor to the growth of the Fantasy team template. The formation has changed the roles of individuals in the player list, making the key targets obvious and consigning yet another batch of players to limbo status along with defensive midfielders.

With so many teams playing a lone striker, we’re seeing our choice in this position narrowed immediately. A whole swathe of talented forwards such as Lukas Podolski, Kevin Mirallas, Peter Odemwingie and Danny Welbeck are rarely given the opportunity to flourish in a 4-4-2 – instead deployed wide and therefore banished to the cupboard by Fantasy managers, only to be called upon when the fixture list and, in particular, double Gameweeks, add to their limited attraction.

In addition, the midfield pool is also narrowed as a result of the growth of the support striker. Players such as Michu, Marouane Fellaini and Kevin Nolan emerge as obvious targets that are available for midfield prices but are thrust into the attack and capable of earning profits to surpass the majority of strikers on offer, let alone wingers.

So both the forward and midfield talent pools become smaller. In the FPL, we find ourselves picking from a cast of around 15 players to fill eight slots. Budget and mid-price options supplement this and rise and fall in popularity but, basically, as the 4-4-1-1 has flourished, we’ve seen obvious targets emerge to reduce the variety on show within our teams and leagues.

I’ve spoken before on how I see an additional attacking midfielder position or perhaps just a new “attacker” or “forward” position to complement the “strikers”. This fifth pool of players would incorporate the likes of Michu and Mirallas, forcing us to sign traditional midfielders in our midfield (Mousa Dembele, Mikel Arteta etc), whilst choosing from a pool of support strikers, wingers and flanking forwards to accompany our choice of lone strikers (Robin Van Persie, Sergio Aguero). This would not only open up the possibility of greater variety in our squads, it would make it a hell of lot easier to classify the likes of Michu every season: in many ways, he’s not a striker or a midfielder – he’s a “forward” or an “attacker”.

Without a change and with the 4-4-1-1 variants looking likely to remain in vogue, we’re facing another season where templates will form, while Fantasy game organisers spend the summer pondering what to do with Michu and Fellaini. Don’t force players into Fantasy football positions that fail to reflect their role. Create a new position to reflect their contributions and the changing face of tactics in the Premier League.

One of the objectives of Fantasy games next and every season, should to ensure that as much of the player list remains active. That not only the defensive midfielders have a role to play, but also those players marginalised by the 4-4-1-1 come back into the reckoning. When I make my pre-season Watchlist, I want to consider more players; I want to find value in wingers and support strikers – either through price but, ideally, through the adaptation of the classic positions or the evolution of scoring methods that recognise their contribution – even when deployed as flank attackers.

It’s a major puzzle for those behind the games but, again, those that take time to analyse the impact of the recent tactical trends and hone their game accordingly will surely have an opportunity to future proof their game, whilst increasing their appeal to an audience that is evolving its own tactical nous and appreciation of Premier League football.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Pasqualinho
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Whilst I agree with the article and the fact that the proposal for changing the game in this way will keep it more up to date with the formation employed in reality, I can't see that it will break the template team. Surely if there are more categories with less choice within each category then templates will be enhanced rather than shattered?

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I think the point is that Podolski et al. from the unselected strikers section join the overselected midfielders to provide competition. This giving more choice.

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      1. Pasqualinho
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I see what you're saying, but more choice in one area means less in another, and all this will do (in this example) is to provide an alternative to Walcott - and one of these two will be an obvious choice which the majority will go for in their squads, should they fancy an Arsenal 'attacker'. I don't see it making a whole lot of difference.

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    2. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      oooh very good point. turning 2 into 3 could definitely do this. what would be the rules too? 2 keepers, 5 defenders, 3 midfielders, 3 attacking mids, 2 strikers? adds up to 15 still.

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      1. Pasqualinho
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Seems feasible. But unless the scoring is changed then everyone will (or should) always play the 3 attackers and 2 strikers, wouldn't they?

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        1. applebonkers
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          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          yeah. exactly what i think about opening a can of worms, try and improve one thing and create a load of hassle/complexity elsewhere

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  2. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    You could position your own squad - so that baines would get more points for a goal playing as a striker, but none of the clean sheet ones and vice versa.

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Im putting RVP as a defender.

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    2. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      (i don't really want to change the game though, but just joining in the wonky-ideas session)
      This site has killed the top end of the game, but thats only natural.

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    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      How would this work exactly? Move Baines into midfield and get say 7 pts per goal, but no CS points?

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      1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Yeh that kind of thing - put stevie g in defence and a goal-line clearance gets you more bps

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I was thinking if you move them further forward then increase goals/assists and reduce CS, and vice versa. Go Stevie G in defence gets 4pts per goal, but say 2/3 for a CS. It's certainly a whacky idea, but I kinda like it 🙂

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    4. super
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I really like this idea. You have, say, six bands of positions (goalie, defence, defensive mid, mid, attacking mid, striker) and depending on where you place a player, you get points according to where you put them.

      Maybe strikers get 8 points per goal and 2 points per assist, while attacking midfielders get 6 points per goal and 4 points per assist, midfielders 5 and 5, defensive midfielders 3 for a goal, 4 per assist and 3 per clean sheet...

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        But what is to stop me putting RVP in defence? I think ManU and ManC will keep cleansheets so will put Rooney and RVP in defence alongside Aguero and Tevez.

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        1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          but then they score zip for goals

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          1. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            And thats why I have Bale, Fellaini and Suarez up front!

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            1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              fellaini>michu

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            2. super
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              It would be a case of finding the 'sweet spot' for each player. Suarez is a decent assister so you might want him as an attacking mid, whereas P Cisse only ever shoots, so you'd want him as a striker.

              Or you add limits to where players can be positioned (RVP - striker or attacking mid, Luiz defender, def mid, mid) to keep some semblance of reality.

              I'd love to see a game with more of this stuff. The limited pool of useful players in the FPL game is a major part of the reason why I gave up playing it two seasons ago.

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      2. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        it is a bit whacky but it is good! - you would still need to classify the players, which is a big problem, but you could even position them on a grid rather than in set 'bands' - ie. a winger then could get more for an assist than in the middle

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  3. Your Mum's Athletic
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Cazorla/ walcott/ fellaini > michu? which one

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    1. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Santi

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  4. Nibbsy
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Can someone please clarify what's changing about the baps system next year? Will it no longer be based on the EA index, or is the EA index going to be based on Opta rather than PA stats?

    Also, a partial solution to the issue in the article would be for the index to be adjusted so that passing and tackling is a bit more rewarded and scoring/assisting slightly less so. That would spread the bonus points around a bit more and even things up.

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    1. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      but that would make no sense because those are not things that are rewarded in football matches

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      1. Nibbsy
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        You think passing and tackling aren't rewarded in games?

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    2. stilicho
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      It will continue to be EA ppi, but they will get their stats from opta.

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      1. Pasqualinho
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I think they went with OPTA stats four or five years ago - and the BPs were heavily biased towards the goalscorers (not surprisingly).

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        1. Nibbsy
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          I don't think OPTA actually assign a score or any sort of index to the data do they? They literally just record the data. It's up to EA/FPL/FFS to assign values to it.

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      2. Nibbsy
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Thanks. Seems unlikely then that the weighting of the stats in terms of ppi score will change then, only the source of the data. Bonus points will be broadly similar.

        FPL should seriously look at using something like the Scout ICT index for bonus rather than this ppi.

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  5. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The real solution to these problems is to be a bit more adventurous and pick players like Distin.

    Opinion - It's time to get Unreal

    😎

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    1. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Opinion - It's time to get lost Unreal.

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    2. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Well done you have averaged 4.625 ppg in the games you have played Distin. Its not that good,

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That's bloody good for a 5.3m defender. That is Baines' PPG for the season and he's the highest scoring defender...

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          +1

          Oh and by the way I owe you a big thanks.

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          1. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            For?

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            1. JK - Cønt ⭐
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              for convincing me to go with DDG and Sagna over Fab and Rafael.

              So far that has worked a treat

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              1. Billy Gilmore
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 7 months ago

                No problem 😀

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        2. Ginkapo FPL
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Seriously? Your arguing that Unreal has done well and should be congratulated for his constant boasting?

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          1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Yes, yes I am.

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          2. Billy Gilmore
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Not at all. Just ignore it, and he'll stop. It's this attention that keeps him doing it...

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        3. Willis.
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          You're on Unreal's side now? You disgust me.

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  6. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    i think this is just like the goalkeeper/clean sheet argument in the last article. football is bigger and better than fpl, whilst fantasy games have tried their best to marry up with football as smoothly as possible (whilst also keeping a fine balance between complexity to create interest but not complexity to put people off), some things like this just don't have an obvious solution. a change like the one suggested to create one pro simply creates a con (will explain later).

    on another note i did some research on 90s footballer a few months ago an it became clear manchester united with cantona played a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 type formation as far back as 1993, the only difference being we didn't feel the need to give it a name back then as people (fans, basically us) didn't care as much about tactics/formations, or at least it wasn't a 'thing' like it is now. lots of teams in the mid 90s were playing 3/5 man defences depending on how you interpret them. one season bryan robson's middlesborough had a 3-4-1-2 with juninho as the 1. when gullit came to chelsea him and hoddle came up with all sorts of mad positions for gullit within what became unique formations as a result.

    maybe a higher percentage of teams now play formations which don't look like 4-4-2s, but i don't think it's time for FPL to change as a result. half the problems with formations is the names are things we on the outside invent for ourselves for simplicity, we give it a name/numbers for our own sake. we trap something very complex and often far too flexible and fluid into 3/4 numbers, we confine 11 players in such an unpredictable and skill-heavy sport, some of whom will be renegades who do their own thing, into 4 numbers. oversmplifying is a big issue why FPL shouldn't make any change. can anyone explain what man city's formation was last season? can anyone explain what david silva's position is? is he wide or central? i think FPL by not trying to do anything in terms of splitting up midfielders into different types of midfielders actually make the game better, there is no risk of mis-classification and ironicly no risk of oversimplifying. prices sort out the rest.
    i think the idea may have legs, but then by having defensive midfielder, attacking mid and forward lists on FPL you then have to pick players from the midfielder list, in a game where assists and goals get points you have to pick players who you don't actually think will get goals and assists. by trying to solve one thing a can of worms is opened, new measures then have to come in to make the defensive midfielders more pickable, scoring changes are needed, a new bonus system is needed, or a new price structure is needed in the game.
    2.5million people play this game for reasons which go beyond it being free, easily accessible and being on the official premier league website imo, and i think this idea with its heart in the right place would jut end up creating more problems than the one it solved.

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    1. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Where the hell did that come from?

      😯

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Long post. The filter should mark this as a spam

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      2. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        AB doesn't do one sentence posts

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        1. FPL Daniel
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Well if isn't BP Prediction is a spam than

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          1. SPorting
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            To be honest, I think they'd like more of this and less of the off-topic stuff.

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    2. Whazza
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Ever heard of long story short?

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      1. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I can appreciate the sentiment. AB is our elder stat(e)sman.

        Just caught me off guard.

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    3. Gargamel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Great post.

      Especially this part: half the problems with formations is the names are things we on the outside invent for ourselves for simplicity, we give it a name/numbers for our own sake.

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      1. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        On a side-note, how did it make you feel to write all that without finishing it off with a pun?

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      2. Reedy
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        +42. It's human nature to categorise things and we inevitably end up with a few things in the wrong places because everything is shades of grey. We could implement fuzzy logic; to what degree is a given player a midfielder and to what degree a striker? It's not going to help any.

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    4. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      for example if we're talking about mourinho bringing about this change in english football then that was back in 2005, why change FPL now.
      i really think it's not a case of tactics is a bigger thing within football now, simply that tactics are a bigger thing outside of football now. the 1 man strike force could be an issue but that's still 20 teams for 3 spots. guys like rooney have proved they can breach the more defensive position. pablo hernandez outscored michu for weeks, pienaar had his moments over fellaini.
      now the shock comment: this site creates templates.

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      1. Reedy
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Ooh we're getting into memetics there. 🙂

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      2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        zing!

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      3. The3rdTurd
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I think it would be more accurate to say this site reinforces templates, it does not create them. The system creates them by making certain players in certain positions more attractive than others, price notwithstanding.

        And that's why a shakeup in formations is required, but not as a stand alone change in isolation. I would support a changed formation and an overhaul in the way points are scored. Both can be done whilst retaining interest for casuals, if they are enacted with enough thought.

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        1. applebonkers
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          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          that's probably fair.
          something i'd say is look at other teams in your mini leagues then other teams on here. the ones in your mini league often look a bit crazy, when in reality they're probably not. i actually rumbled someone in my main mini league a couple of years ago for using this site simply by looking at his team

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    5. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Not just a funny barsteward afterall, great post AB

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  8. Willis.
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    Why not make the same player available in different positions? For example, Mirallas could be classed as both a milf and a forward, and it's up to you whether you want him in your team as a milf or a forward. Obviously, you can't have both Mirallas' in the same team...

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    1. Henry Hill
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      But surely everybody would classify him as a midfielder if they had the choice

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    2. Whazza
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      milf 🙂

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    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Will their prices be different depending on which position they're in?

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      1. Willis.
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Ye.... no.

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    4. Sánchez
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Haha. milf.
      I say, make it you must have;
      2keepers, 2 full back, 3 centre back
      2centre mids, 3attacking mid/wingers
      3 forwards.

      Then we can all look for was to squeeze in guys that get classed as centre mids, but who often play further forward again. 🙂

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  9. Henry Hill
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    This is ridiculously off-topic so aplogies Mark but can anybody with Photoshop or photo-editing skills be able help me please. I want to remove the “For more information contact….” part of this label, does anybody know how to do it?

    http://www.labeline.com/store_uk/media/ecom/prodlg/lithium_metal_battery_small.jpg

    Thanks

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    1. Spencer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      How's this?

      http://www.imagebam.com/image/2aa8a7249461774

      Just create a selection and fill with white.

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    2. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Use a program called Paint, it's almost idiotic proof an will do exactly what you need here!

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      1. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        That didn't actually tell you how to do it, but just use paint or any online image editor and use the eraser tool

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    3. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      i can put kolarov's face on it on paint?

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    4. Henry Hill
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      Thanks for the replies lads, much appreciated. I will use Gargamel's one as he spoon fed me by actually doing it 🙂

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      1. Spencer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I gave it to you too!

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    5. Reedy
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      You can just use the rubber tool to literally erase it; white should be the default.

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    6. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      copy paste to a word doc, insert a text box over it. Save and then copy and paste to where ever you want.

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  10. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    The more i look at the fixtures and the motivation during the game and short term form, the more i like Sessegnon and Andy Caroll as the two standout profitable punts for the run in.

    To gamble or not to gamble?

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    1. Connor's Calling
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      nah. go for the doublers IMO

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    2. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      As the final few weeks draw ever closer and the realisation that I may end up outside the top 100k increases, these sort of decisions are easy for me.

      They're not gambles, they're just more transfers that are bound to go wrong.

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        But, i don't happen to think they will go wrong. I really strongly feel this way.

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    3. HelloSidney
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      I'll probably keep Sessegnon ahead of Fellaini when it comes to shipping a mid for then DGW

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        He does have that air about him doesn't he. Seems so very confident.

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        1. HelloSidney
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Sess? Well, he's basically a striker and he tends to have streaks of form based on confidence.

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          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            So, go for it?

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  11. The Nuttmxn
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    I agree, but I agreed with the last two so I'm starting to wonder if I'm just the south eastern version of Mark.

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  12. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    A question about Homecrowd that really worries me. Sometimes, these elongated 'long discussions' put me off as i don't always like reading ultra-long discussions. I simply enjoy answering simple gw dilemmas, asking simple questions and light hearted banter.

    I hope stickying long posts does not lead to everyone having only long, appropriate but sometimes dull conversations and when i am online for genuine this player or this player dilemmas that i have in my team, they will get lost.

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    1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 7 months ago

      True, it might be the death of banter

      😯

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        It might be the end of your constant shit stirring.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          🙁 shaken, not stirred

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      2. Willis.
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        It might be the death of you. Literally.

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  13. Connor's Calling
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 7 months ago

    So...early favourites for GW36? I was thinking of the below (in order of importance):
    Bale
    Aguero
    Mata
    Silva
    Michu
    Hazard
    Nastasic
    Vertohgen
    Kone (!)

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    1. JT's Dog
        12 years, 7 months ago

        aguero, mata, silva, hazard, nasti even kone maybe rested, rotated.
        other than that its good

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        1. SammoUK111
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          yeah personally I'm going with Tevez and Yaya - less risk of rotation?

          steering WELL clear of chelsea players

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          1. HelloSidney
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            I'm keeping Mata but not adding more Chelsea.

            I'll probably skip City altogether tbh, or just get Hart.

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    2. JT's Dog
        12 years, 7 months ago

        i would just like someone to explain to me why the first time i own fellaini and rooney they play DCM.
        And fellaini still doesnt gets BAPS for playing against wilshire and cazorla without getting booked

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      • Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        My final contribution on this topic is that... There is no way that anyone can realistically predict where someone will play/end up playing over the course of a season.

        No one predicted that Michu would end up playing so many games as a lone striker.
        No one predicted that Bale would move from being a wing wizard to play centre as a support striker thus enabling him a higher chance to score points.
        No one predicted that Fellaini would have been playing as high up the pitch as he has

        The fact is that these things will happen over the course of ANY AND EVERY season...

        These things are accounted for as OOP and we as fantasy strategists are there to take advantage of these things and jump onto them before others do.

        If you want to make up ground on someone in a mini-league you cannot use a template.
        If you want to win or be the best you must be different (and lucky lol)

        #RantOver

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        1. Nibbsy
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          The problem is there isn't any scope to 'be different'. I'm 100 points ahead in my mini-league and have been for the last 10 weeks. There just aren't really any players my rivals have been able to pick that would outscore the players I've got.

          Same reason I've been ranked around 2k for that time. Can't see that changing now because everyone has the same players.

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          1. Nani R U OK? R U OK ? R U O…
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            i had 11.9M in my bank 2-3 weeks ago...

            I went with Arteta over Cazorla. My ML leader didnt have Cazorla so i suspected that with Arsenal dgw that's where he would go... i've made up at least 20pts there alone

            I say that to say, if you ranked 2k and have ambition to reach 1k and under 1k then change it up buddy. i'm not saying sell your whole team like a crazy person, just make some subtle changes. i am so glad Bale got injured lol. I was so glad to sell him. Because with him gone it forces my ML to have to come up with a suitable replacement.

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            1. Nibbsy
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              Fair enough, shows you can still find the odd differential. You have to admit to a fair slice of luck for Arteta to have paid off over Cazorla though.

              Agree on Bale. After a while his points were pretty worthless as everyone had him anyway.

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      • Ghost Ship
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I think the article makes a good point and the fantasy game has to evolve to reflect developments in the real game. Having said that, I think this may be over complicating matters. I play a different fantasy game so apologies in advance if this doesn't make sense for your system, but we changed to reflect this development in much simpler way. You simply reduce the number of strikers you are allowed to have in your fantasy team, and increase the number of midfielders required by the same amount (without changing where anyone is classified). This means the likes of Bryan Ruiz become fairly redundant but it does help solve the issue of the currently redundant midfielders, as everyone would be forced to use more midfielders. But like I said I play a different game so this might not work for you.

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      • Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        come on rooney!
        can you stop doing your arteta-minus-the-peno-duty imitation and start hammering them as if the west ham goal is a hot granny?

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        1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          +1

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      • SPorting
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        It's too late to change all this now.

        They should have made the changes in 1996 when Ruud Gullit introduced Sexy Football

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Solution:

          SexyFantasyFootball.com

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          1. SPorting
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            The servers at work sometimes block this site because of the word "Fantasy".

            If they combine that with "Sexy", the servers would flip out.

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          2. applebonkers
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            bap chap would have way more fun there

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      • Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Anyone plan on transferring in a non-dgw player in the recent future? If so, who?

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          recent future? 😆

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          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Its a cool term.

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          2. SPorting
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            not-too-distant pre-history.

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        2. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          only ones that remotely make sense is sess or a NOR cheap defender.

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        3. HelloSidney
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          No

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      • Gaztafari
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Great article, my thoughts exactly. I've been smashing my mini leagues in recent years by the strict policy of only picking 'in the hole' midfielders and lone strikers that play week in week out. Don't think my fellow managers have cottoned on to the fantasy loop hole. This said, I'd love to find a place in my team for the likes of Dembele, Gibson, Gerrard, Gardner, Cleverley etc but they play too deep. I like the suggestion of a second mid or second forward classification with more points awarded for clean sheets and goals scored for the classic midfield position.

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      • Plagued by indecision
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Tonight I am dependent on Eden Hazard to haul me back into contention. I really am screwed aren't I?

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        1. Lateriser 12
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Nope.

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        2. /
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Berbatov?

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          1. Plagued by indecision
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Hazard's my only differential over my rivals tonight - we all have RVP and Berbatov. But I'll be cheering them on just the same. I need every point I can get!

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        3. The Nuttmxn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Honestly, yeah, just a bit.

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      • Lord Flashheart
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Love the article.

        an alternative simple solution is:

        2 points for CS for holding midfielders

        that should add about 8-10 points per year for the likes of dembele/carick/arteta/nolan

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        1. Lateriser 12
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Oooh, i like this!

          YAYA FTW!

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          1. Kostja
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            so nooow he is a holding mid? 😀

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            1. Lateriser 12
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              He is superman.

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            2. Tuchap - Lurker
              • 15 Years
              12 years, 7 months ago

              This*

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          2. Lord Flashheart
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            or - an extra point for 100 passes (or whatever number) and an extra point for 3+ tackles.

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      • Back to Back Ballacks
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I have a man labelled by a dutch coach as the worst LB in Europe in my team tonight
        😎

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          RB

          lol

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          1. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Whateva Sista 🙂

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        2. Reedy
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Manolive!

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          1. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Manolive, there's men alive in here!

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        3. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          just a man or a man olev?

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      • The painted man
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Any Liverpool men out there that think Sturridge will start against Chelsea ?

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        1. toondog73
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          i would give up on Sturridge..too unpredictable

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        2. No Luck
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Not a Liverpool man but I reckon Sturridge will start and most likely score, his previous club and all that jazz

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          1. applebonkers
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            someone needs to make a list of all the times a player hasn't scored against previous clubs. for example did surridge ever score against man city for chelsea or bolton? i make it 0 goals and a red card against his former clubs

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        3. HelloSidney
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Yeah, he will IMO

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      • toondog73
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Is michu going to be used as a main striker for the remainder of the season?

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        1. Jax
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          how would we know

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        2. Lateriser 12
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Like the season so far.

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      • Tuchap - Lurker
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Great article Mark. Clearly we have alot of opinions on this.

        Would the addition of recovered balls and a tweek of the bonus system not be enough?

        If the bonus system was adjusted and was weighted less towards goals and assists surely DM's would have the opportunity to get themselves bonus as well as having a value to add to a team.

        If we take the champions league for example the defensive mids usually score around 3/4. This then gives you the option of deciding if you wanted to pay less for a consistant points scorer or more for one who is likely to get a bigger score.

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      • FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        I think FFS should go in the darkness again, without going public and the template will be gone. Simple as that !!!

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        1. Nibbsy
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          Agreed. My mini-leagues are going to be much tighter next season after half the managers discovered this website during this season. I'm a bit worried.

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      • JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        Have to say despite surviving the Caz and Afro captaineers I'm still a nervous tonight. Though I expect RvP to start, West Ham away has, at times been a very tricky fixture for United. Things may not be a cut and dry as we hope/expect them to be.

        For this reason alone I expect RvP to start, It is Rooney's position that will be of more interest.

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      • Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 7 months ago

        % chance of these fellas starting tonight, please:

        1. Zabaleta
        2. Clichy
        3. Sinclair
        4. Cahill
        5. Hazard (c)
        6. Ramires
        7. Ba
        8. Di Santos
        9. Defoe

        My H2H opp has all this lot and I'm only 30pts ahead with RVP (c). Thanks.......

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        1. Lord Flashheart
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 7 months ago

          did he stop playing on gameweek 3?

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          1. Jafooli
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 7 months ago

            Yeah pretty much 😛 but his teams still decent.

            I need to win to keep ahead of my rival, only a few points behind me.....

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