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David Luiz is set to turn out for Chelsea this evening. Yohan Cabaye remains doubtful for Palace’s encounter with Stoke, ‘Boro’s Christhian Stuani will be assessed for the trip to Everton, whilst Eddie How is keen to court caution with Jack Wilshere’s minutes.

Here’s the lowdown on the press conferences so far..

Dejan Lovren has recovered from the eye injury that forced him to miss last week’s clash with Leicester. Emre Can misses Liverpool’s trip to Chelsea tonight, though returned to training earlier in the week.

John Terry has been ruled out for the next 10 days due to an ankle problem. David Luiz is set for a second Chelsea debut tonight as Liverpool roll up to the Bridge.

Eddie Howe has revealed “there is no rush” to bring Jack Wilshere into Bournemouth’s starting XI as he allows the midfielder time to build up his fitness with minutes off the bench.

Swansea winger Nathan Dyer is set to undergo ankle surgery and will be sidelined for two months. Francesco Guidolin hopes to have club-record signing Borja Baston available for the trip to St Mary’s.

Christhian Stuani and Jordan Rhodes are both doubtful for Middlesbrough’s trip to Everton, Aitor Karanka confirmed yesterday. Grant Leadbitter and Fabio remain sidelined.

Mark Hughes is optimistic that Mame Biram Diouf and Glen Johnson will be available for Stoke’s trip to Palace after both returned to training. Xherdan Shaqiri is still sidelined with a calf injury.

Ronald Koeman has confirmed Everton have no new injury concerns for the home match against ‘Boro. New loan signing Enner Valencia is included in the squad and could be handed a debut.

Alan Pardew has revealed that Pape Souare will be out for up to six months after his involvement in a serious car accident last weekend. Connor Wickham and Bakary Sako are expected to be available for the visit of Stoke, though Yohan Cabaye remains “touch and go”.

Ashley Barnes remains Burnley’s only absentee for the trip to Leicester due to an ongoing hamstring complaint.

All this and more has now been updated in the Team News section ahead of this evening’s deadline. Keep an eye on our official Twitter Stream for breaking news – as the day unfolds, we will issue updates from Friday’s press conferences and refresh our Team News tab accordingly to keep you informed.

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  1. PainInDiaz
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Joel Matip: "If an opponent tries to talk to me during the game, really, I don't give a f***."

    Diego Costa - Challenge accepted.

    1. Sylas
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Costa doesn't talk, he only makes gestures. 😛

    2. Rogue Todd
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      He doesn't speak - he barks

  2. Vic Rattlehead
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Play Foster (v. West Ham) or Heaton (v. Leicester)?

    Foster seems the better pick, but I reckon West Ham will be keen to avenge the bad result against Watford last weekend, while Leicester comes of an unfamiliar european midweek match. Play Heaton for save points?

    1. Puntillimon
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Good analysis. I'm going with heaton

    2. Clump
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      You'd have to fancy both to concede. Toss a coin.

    3. Grand Thibauto
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Maybe Foster for the home fixture

    4. Shipstontrev
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Heaton for save points. Hopefully he saves a Mahrez penalty.

    5. Capoue
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Im on heaton

    6. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Heaton. I think there's a decent chance of a cleanie, and if he gets it, he'll be in double figures

      1. tm370
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Foster easily.

        Do not expect many clean sheets away from home for Burnley this season.

    7. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Heaton. More solid, Leicester more likely to fudge it in front of goal.

    8. The Left Duke #3
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Same decision to be made for me and I'm gone Foster at home and the Pulis factor

    9. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      You're just making it sound that way. You could also just as easily justifiably say that Leicester have just come off the back of a 3-0 win and West Ham lost to Watford, so Foster is the better pick...

  3. Prøphet
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Hmmm, different crowd.

    Holebas / Evans / Amat. Who would you play?

    1. Nabs Kebabs
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Easiest decision ever..Evans

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        That easy,huh?

    2. SW6
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Evans

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Cheers

    3. LC1
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Evans.

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Its settled

    4. Clump
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Holebas has a difficult fixture but offers the greater threat.

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        My reasoning as well

    5. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Evans.

    6. The Left Duke #3
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Evans for sure

  4. Count of Monte Hristo
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Should I (c) Ibrahimović ahead of Sánchez, Hazard, Vardy, Lukaku?

    1. SW6
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      If you're a dullard... 😉

    2. Nabs Kebabs
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Depends what you're going for - Ibra is safe due to ownership. If like me, you think it's a great week for a punt, go with someone else. I'm going Alexis.

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Haz / Costa vs Alexis ... Chelsea fan here and will be watching the game with a mate who is a LIV fan 1point ahead of me atm.

        1. nikush
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          myself a Chelsea fan..
          my heart saying Hazard/Costa as well..

          1. Prøphet
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            I really think we have 2 goals in us at this game. Also think it will be a haz / costa show tonight.

            1. nikush
              • 10 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              yep.
              all 5 my friend..

      2. Count of Monte Hristo
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I like it!

    3. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Lukaku

    4. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Lukaku is the best of the other options. Do you trust him or want a punt? Then do it. Otherwise, Zlatan's your man.

    5. The Left Duke #3
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I hate the safe pick and am going with Sanchez

    6. rocky7st
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Sánchez for me

  5. S.Agueroooooo
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Anyone got a good Aguero, Ibra, Lukaku team?

    1. BbBb
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      yep after this week 😉

    2. Costa's Counsellor
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Capoue 4th mid does the job.

    3. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Messing on a Wildcard and can afford this

      Mandanda Jaku
      Vertonghen Jags Evans Francis Amat
      Hazard Firmino Snodgrass Fer Capoue
      Aguero Lukaku Ibra

      1. Prison Mike
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Looks alright but I would probably prefer to downgrade Lukaku to Tekkers and then upgrade Fer to Antonio / Cazorla

        1. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          If I wildcard next week I would prob do this too, extra 1.7m to boost defence or Midfield

    4. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Capoue 4th mid, east.

    5. rocky7st
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Tried out with the cheap defence
      Heaton Jaku
      4x4.5, 4.0
      Hazard, Caz, Antonio, Bolasie, Capoue
      Kun, Ibra, Lukaku

      0.7 ITB
      Could change Caz to Firm

  6. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    1m ITB to spend on 1 FT. Which of these transfers is better for this gameweek?

    A) Friend > Baines
    B) Rondon > Benteke

    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Tekkers!

  7. Coaly
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Start Gray (lei) or Capoue (MUN)?

    1. iwanjones23
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Exactly my dilemma, leaning towards Capoue myself

    2. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I would start Gray. Leicester aren't as solid as United at the back.

  8. rocky7st
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Owning him seems to be differential enough.

  9. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Captain = 1. Zlatan or 2. Alexis

    1FT = A. Gray>Nacho or B. Save for Kun

    1. Rex Adam
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      2

    2. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      1, B

    3. The Left Duke #3
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      2A is what I done and recommend the same

  10. Rex Adam
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Any Sanchez Cappers v Hull?

    1. Grand Thibauto
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      🙂

    2. BbBb
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      very tempted

    3. faver
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      o/

    4. The Left Duke #3
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      o/

    5. Vedas
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      o/

  11. iwanjones23
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Morning guys,

    Foster (Pickford)
    Shaw Baines Mcauley Collins Friend
    Hazard Firmino Sterling Antonio Capoue
    Ibra Lukaku Gray

    1 FT, £1.4m ITB

    A) upgrade Gray/Friend
    B) save the FT so I can get Aguero backmore easily next week

    Cheers

    1. Grand Thibauto
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      B

    2. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      B

    3. iwanjones23
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Cheers guys, that's what I was thinking

    4. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Similar boat, thinking of doing a Gray to Nacho switch but can't decide! City could run riot

  12. Laurens
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    1. Mane for Countinho

    2. Bolasie for Barkley

    (-4) worth it?

  13. Hotdogs for Tea
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Looks like we did not have the Aguero price crash after all, not sure why though because his ownership halved and must have been sold by at least 750,000 ?

    It will be interesting how quickly his price rises again

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Red flag needs more transfers out to drop

    2. noquarternt
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      People always predict these things but they never happen. Remember how everyone wildcarded last week to 'gain value'?

      1. Prøphet
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        They did gain value, but not SV. They picked the players at .1 cheaper and its that harder for someone else to have the exact same team now.

    3. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      After his hattie in the Champions league he had more transfers in than out that evening

      1. Rogue Todd
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        😆 #casualwisdom

  14. Master Splinter
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Planning on using my wildcard tonight or next GW...

    Thoughts on Baines & Snodgrass vs Williams & Bolasie?

    Also on a potential Watford double up of Capoue and Deeney for upcoming fixtures?

    1. ihateramsey2
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      baines and snoddy

  15. ihateramsey2
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Payet to who? I feel there are several better options at that price range

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Keep him, he'll do well. When you need cash, get a Liverpool mid or Antonio/Cazorla

    2. Master Splinter
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Firminho and invest cash elsewhere

    3. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Keep.

    4. Brian C. Lara
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      didn't he get you 2 assists last week?

  16. Respect My Authoritah
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    AOA this week, with Friend, Kone and Amat on the bench. Would you play any of them over Snodgrass to save the chip?

    1. Clump
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I think the value in that chip is to save a transfer/hit (s) in time of defensive injuries/suspensions.

    2. Dezrar
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Snodgrass will be gold this season IMO, never ever benching him!

  17. Yome
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Haz captainers out there? Could be a goal fest tonight

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I'm considering it, but can't look past Ibra I think. Watford are very poor at the back this season

      1. Yome
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I prefer to captain a home player for some reason. The friday night captain choice ended well with Zlatan the other day...

        1. Clump
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Hazards returns are typically better at home. Not a bad shout.

          1. Yome
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Indeed, looking for a differential captain, most are going Luks and Zlatan

            1. Clump
              • 11 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              I'm going Luka. I can't wish you GL with your Hazard choice, I support Pool 😉

  18. Saniul
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Would you rather save your transfer with this lot?

    Foster,
    Shaw, Stones, Pieters,
    Hazard, Alexis, Payet, Redmond*,
    Ibra, Lukaku (c), Gray*.

    (Jakupovic, Capoue, Amat, Friend).

    Redmond and Gray need to go pretty soon, and want an Everton defender as well, but then again, I want to have a transfer in hand for next week's Aguero business.

    Thoughts?

    1. Toby Lerone
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I'm sticking with redmond one more week

    2. noquarternt
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Save for sure- Aguero next week as you said.

    3. iwanjones23
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Save, gives you more options next week re: Aguero

    4. Pinky Blinders
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Save for that exact reason. Assuming you do, who would you ship for Kun to come back?

    5. Saniul
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Cheers, all.

  19. Toby Lerone
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Big decision.

    Have 3m ITB and 0ft.

    Fer 5.1 - ?
    Leko 4.4 - ?

    For a - 4 or hold onto a front 6 of
    Hazard sanchez redmond
    Lukaku ibra benteke?

    Thanks guys

    1. noquarternt
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Could you post your whole team?

    2. Toby Lerone
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Heaton
      Stones valencia mcauley Morgan
      Hazard sanchez redmond
      Lukaku ibra benteke

      Jaku fer amat Leko

      Cheers

  20. nikush
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    playing Ibra(c) is safe. but is it sensible if you have Haz, Costa (Ozil)?
    isn't the challenge on Haz/Costa worth taking??

    1. Sylas
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Captain the one who you think will score the most points.

      1. nikush
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        the most sensible answer mate.
        who among them will do in your opinion?

        1. Sylas
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          I have no idea! I haven't decided as yet on my own (c) choice.

    2. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      If you think Chelsea will open up Liverpool, go Costa. Otherwise, nothing wrong with Ibra.

  21. southernpacific
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Zlat capt - Think Mourinho will sort his side out after 2 loses on the trot

    1. Yome
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Confidence is down after 2 loss, I am avoiding Zlatan C this week

    2. only2
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      mourinho wanted to exit e-league. Thinking they will bounce back this weekend

  22. Christina.
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Luiz looks like Krusty.

    Firmino to make a clown of him tonight.

    1. SW6
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Can't bring myself to own Firmino when I can have Mane instead

      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Look at their minutes per KP's and GA's.

        Only one winner.

        And it's not Mane.

        1. SW6
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Mane didn't play the Burnley game though where Liverpool had close to 30 shots

          1. Clump
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            And Firmino gets shuffled about a bit. Too small a sample of stats yet to correlate how he performs in different positions.
            Love them both.

          2. Christina.
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Makes it even worse.

            Last 2 GW's

            min/GA's
            Firm=45
            Mane=59

            min/KP's
            Firm=20
            Mane=44

            1. Christina.
              • 16 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              Just gw 1...

              Mane no KP's...min per GA...

              Firm=22.5
              Mane=30

              1. Clump
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                Firmino is an excellent choice. From watching them every week, I just expect Manè to go wild pretty soon.

        2. Clump
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          I say it every week. Mane looks like an explosion waiting to happen.

          1. Christina.
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            yes he does, but Firm showed last week that he is also explosive. Besides, many don't have the 0.5m extra for Mane.

            1. Clump
              • 11 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              I may well go down the get them both route in a few weeks.

  23. The Left Duke #3
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Well Iheanacho is in on my 1 week punt before activating WC.

    Question is who to captain. I hate the play safe pick Ibra because of 63% ownership malarkey. Takes the fun out of the game.

    So who gets the armband:
    A) Sanchez (13.5% ownership)
    B) Lukaku (14% ownership)
    C) Iheancho (5% ownership)

    Thoughts appreciated

    1. nikush
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Sanchez safest i say..

    2. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Do Ineanacho. It'all be more fun!

      1. The Left Duke #3
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Ha I'm actually very tempted. It's currently on Sanchez but the home to Bournemouth fixture is so tempting for Nacho

    3. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      C for me

      1. The Left Duke #3
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Screw it, a punt on C for the craic 🙂

  24. Ghost86
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Captain?

    A) Ibra (wat)
    B) Hazard (liv)
    C) Lukaku (mid)
    D) Alli (sun)

    1. Yome
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      B, Liverpool defense is just awful, they keep on conceding

    2. only2
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      A)

  25. Hi I'm Jose
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Im expecting United and Hull to boost this weekend but who to captain? Please help

    Cristiano, Tevez or J.Bullard?

    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Nani

    2. Delhidynamo
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      feed the bear

  26. Rains of Castamere
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    For the armband...

    Lukaku
    Kane
    Ibra
    Sterling

    Cannot decide. Been on Kane all week but confidence is wavering.

    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Ibra of those options.

    2. only2
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Big sweede, lets go!

  27. PassMeTheSwedge
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    1. How do we feel about Deeney as an option with his good fixtures?
    2. Which defenders would best supplement Valencia/Baines? I'm thinking of getting Robertson, Collins and Amat. Is Amat the best 4.0 option and is Collins nailed? Westham/Hull rotate well for 4.5ers but maybe I am overlooking some other?
    3. Is having a 4.5 enabler risky for when one of my players doesn't play? Who should I look at for a 5th mid?

    1. Toby Lerone
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      1. Never went near him last year but always seems to pop up. Great differential
      2. Staying clear of West ham defence. 4.5m bit of a gamble as not many teams are keeping cleans. Holebas for attacking or wba cover
      3. My 5th mid is garbage doesn't even play

  28. MR Penquin
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Do you think Aguero price will rise before his flag gets taken off after the mid week game?

    1. Grand Thibauto
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Rise?

    2. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      His flag will get taken off on Saturday. Maybe even tonight.

    3. MR Penquin
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      No his flag will taken off after the last of his 3 game ban which is the mid week game

      1. Sjaugen
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        This. Who knows that happends to the cup Swansea game. Thunderstorm etc

  29. Bubi
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Morning folks,

    who is better option (instead Barkley)?

    A. Antonio
    or
    B. Bolasie

    I don't like Bolasie at all, I had him twice last two years and I had always the same feeling: disappointment. He has a huge potential, but I am not sure if he is good FPL option.

    Otherwise, Antonio has scored 4 in a row and the question is: how many goals he can score his head this season?

    1. ibenji
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      A for me.

      Pre-empted this, fancy West Ham to bounce back. Barkley hooked at half time suggests he might not even start. Antonio in before the price rise and WC next week to get Bolasie in for Everton cover instead of Redmond I think!

  30. Delhidynamo
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Is this one week punt worth a hit?

    Townsend+Giroud ->Ihea + KDB

    WCing next week

    1. the Penman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Not both City. If it's a 1-0 you've probably lost out.

      1. Delhidynamo
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I fancy city to score at least 3

    2. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      For those 2 I would say yes.