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Dugout Discussion – Sunderland vs Manchester United

9 April 2017 1534 comments
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The first of two Sunday fixtures gets underway at 1.30pm this afternoon as Sunderland welcome Manchester United to the Stadium of Light.

The most popular captaincy choice for Gameweek 32, Zlatan Ibrahimovic has been handed the armband by 15.7% of Fantasy Premier League managers ahead of a visit to the basement-dwellers.

Encouragingly for his owners, the veteran delivered his highest haul of the season against the Black Cats, with a goal and two assists helping him to 15 points back in Gameweek 18.

With eight fixtures remaining in the final six Gameweeks, including a double Gameweek 34, the likes of Paul Pogba and Henrikh Mkhitaryan can play their way into our plans for the run-in today.

Those holding the hosts’ Jermain Defoe will be buoyed by the absence of David de Gea, who misses out for the first time this term with “a little problem, according to his manager.

Meanwhile, Antonio Valencia’s 17% owners are left frustrated yet again, as the Ecuadorian is omitted from the squad for the second match in succession.

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  1. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Larsson 0% ownership according to fplstatistics

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    1. BRFC1883
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Will be even less now he's suspended

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  2. PvA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    You have 5.9m to pick any defender that isn't Alonso or Valencia - who is it?

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    1. Atimis
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yoshi 😀

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      1. PvA
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        And him

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    2. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Bertrand

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      1. PvA
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Good shout, but dodgy fixtures and I have Yoshida

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    3. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vert

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    4. Jigger & Pony
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yoshida or Cedric

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    5. Atimis
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Davies/Vert/Mustafi ?

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    6. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vert

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    7. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Both neville and redknapp say was a yellow.

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      1. Sess!
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Reply fail

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    8. BALOOO
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vertonghen if you are not tripling up on Spurs attack.

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    9. WVA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Mustafi all day

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  3. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    anyone with a vine of that goal?

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    1. Team Cruel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Vine was put down a couple of years ago mate.

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      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Here, have streamable instead: https://streamable.com/6tnjp

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      2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        🙂 had no idea...

        Well any sort of video will do

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        1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Great. Thanks TC.

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    2. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Does vine still exist?

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    3. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      found this video on youtube:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFToeVbGSfs

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      1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Cheers.
        Doesn't work on my tablet though.
        I'll look around for it

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  4. SirStevieG
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    ffs this second half as a non Ibra owner is going to be painful isn't it.

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    1. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yep although utd don't really hammer teams.

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      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        This, I'll get my Pickford mega haul 😀

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      2. InSaneMan-e
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        This
        In previous years they would go to hammer the opposition 3/4-0
        Now, maybe 1 more and then play awful boring negative football

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    2. Arteta
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Hoping for a penalty miss and red card 😎

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    3. BALOOO
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I have 2 couches ready, 1 isnt enough 😛

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  5. sully29
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    People criticised Taylor for the Coleman injury. Well, punishing tackles like this is the way you stop injuries like that from happening. You punish the recklessness, not the contact.

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    1. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      This

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    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Non-contact sport then.

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      1. sully29
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        No there would still be contact, just not reckless contact.

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      2. Team Bobcat
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        No issue with contact but studs showing a no no.

        But this needs to continue to be the case.

        I happen to glancr glimpses of swindon v mewcastle yesterday and a swindon playergot away with a more blatant studs showing tackle.

        Sruds showing tackle needs to be outlawed no questions asked!!

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        1. Team Bobcat
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I need to read my replies... few spelling errors.

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    3. Ravager
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Exactly this.

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    4. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Well said

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    5. Four Letter Wirtz
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Agree. Also, why do people say, 'he won the ball'? He didn't, he overran the ball and slid in behind it. Just reckless.

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    6. Team Bobcat
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Agree 100%

      Only worry is the larrson didn't seem to think so.

      His reminiscing warrants punishing also

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      1. Numb
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        "Ahhh....remember when I used to score those free kicks...those were the days!"

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      2. Oi! Shadders!
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        "Memory,
        All alone in the moonlight..."

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    7. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yes but this one was not reckless, it was awkward and unfortunate. Larsson stepped on the ball and it bounced his foot up towards Herrera that was not even close to the ball when the tackle happened.

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      1. Team Bobcat
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I wouldn't call that one awkward.

        Reckless absolutely

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    8. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Exactly

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  6. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    To get Kane unfortunately I think Eriksen will have to go. If I go Vardy to Kane and Eriksen to Zaha on 2 frees this week can then get in Zlatan for Lukaku in week 34 for double. If take out BDavies not affordable.

    Is this good plan? Alternative is BDavies to Holgate but cannot then get Zlatan without hit or so

    Pickford Jakupovic
    Alonso Valencia BDavies Mawson Yoshida
    Sanchez Hazard Alli King Eriksen
    Lukaku Vardy Origi

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    1. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Sounds best way

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  7. PvA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    When is PVA expected back?

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    1. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Have had him for so long through all this. Hoping for Leicester..

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    2. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      next gameweek

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    3. Arteta
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      In next 2 weeks

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  8. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    That's a wee bit harsh, and I'm not normally in favour of any move by referees that discourages big tackles, but with respect to that kind of studs up over the top challenge in particular I do think players need more protection than they've been given this season.
    Thinking of a number of tackles from United players, Bale on O'Shea, Taylor on Coleman and Barkley (?) on Lovren.

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    1. Brap.
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      And Barkley on Emre Can wasn't even a yellow...

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      1. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        That game was daft, I've no problem with a bit of bite but the ref was seriously lucky nobody got badly hurt.

        Couldn't believe the tackles Everton players were making after their teammate's career was potentially ended by a similar tackle a week previous.

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    2. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      So Herrera doesnt need protection? Was too dangerous, has to go. And im a neutral/non Ibra owner

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      1. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I think you misread.

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        1. Mic
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          "Thats a wee bit harsh ... need more protection"

          Contradictory

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          1. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Apologies if I was unclear. I'm saying that although that's not the worst tackle you'll see, it's of a variety that has gone woefully under-penalised this season. Fully agree with the decision.

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            1. Mic
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 3 months ago

              Oh my bad! Yeah i agree and feel strongly about it if you hadnt realised

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              1. Mic
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                🙂

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              2. Dr. Mantis Toboggan
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 3 months ago

                Haha I got that alright.
                If there's anything to feel strongly about in the game it's tackles like that, at the end of the day winning one tackle surely isn't worth jeopardising a fellow player's career.

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  9. Jay_
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Well done to those who resisted Vardy to Kun and just got Ibra. Well set for the run in now. Also saved 4 points/FT in the grand scheme of things.

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    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Let's see what the Vardy holders feel like later today. 🙂

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      1. Jay_
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I did Davies, Vardy > Holgate, Kun. Could have just done Vardy to Ibra. If Vardy bust that Holgate cleanie, I'll be sick

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        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          I did Firmino to Sane ( 🙁 )

          Held off on doing Vardy to Ibra with the other ft. Hoping Vardy repays the faith here.

          Negredo 🙁

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    2. Ryan Naysmith
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yes hopefully another goal

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  10. gorilla
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    rashfors should replace ibra at half time

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  11. Syd.
    • 17 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Poor Sunderland

    Arguably should have had a penalty then they get a man sent off

    If those decisions had gone against United Mourhino would have exploded

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  12. Iceball
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Who to lose first? Also have Alonso and Gibson who are going nowhere.
    A) Valencia
    B) Walker
    C) Amat to cope with those blanks

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    1. gorilla
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      c

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    2. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Amat

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  13. c10™️ ⚽
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    What is the advantage of using WC at GW37?? if your team is suffering since 3GameWeeks??

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    1. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      I would use it in 35, but in 37 you can have every single player in that DGW although you miss the So'ton vs Arsenal DGW

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      1. Ravager
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        This has been my plight. Been wondering if I should WC my team. Been bang average for the past 3 weeks but I personally know the benefit of saving before the big DGW....

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    2. Iceball
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Rather WC 35 or 36 so can field 15 DGWplayers (or almost) and use BB37

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  14. The Head-Ake
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Someone answer pleaseeee lol

    Henessey
    Yoshida - Valencia - Alonso
    Sanchez - Alli - Pedro - Eriksen
    Costa - Kaku - Origi
    ( Jak - Gibson - Fletcher - Holgate) 1 FT and 1.9 ITB

    Perfect? Is the bench fine? Any changes that I should be making in the near future? Thanks!

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    1. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Costa -> Kane?

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    2. T444
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Change all your strikers and sanchez for

      Vardy ibra aguero and Walcott

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      1. The Head-Ake
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Wcing in 35

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        1. The Head-Ake
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          So shuld I do the Kane move?

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    3. Business Cat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Pedro...meh. Walcott maybe a better shout.

      Possibly move Sanchez down to Hazard allowing Costa to Kane?

      Origi is poor too.

      All this requires surgery though 🙂

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      1. Business Cat
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        In fact, just Costa to Kane...cut to the chase 😀

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        1. The Head-Ake
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Aight thanks guys. Doing Costa to Kane

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  15. Pariße
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Just watched the replays with pausing, a very soft red to say at least. Larsson had the ball closer to his feet, Herrera was way back and it was hardly even a tackle, more of an awkward touch of the ball that bounced his foot upwards towards Herrera dangerously. A yellow card would've sufficed.

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    1. gorilla
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      right decision you cant make a challenge like that

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      1. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        The fact that there is a debate tells you it is not a red card. When there is a red then everyone knows it is a red.

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        1. Mic
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Nonsense

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        2. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          There is a debate over every single red card

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          1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            No there isn't

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          2. Gnu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Sorry Jazz but you're wrong.
            I've never heard a debate about a Clattermole red card, never.

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          3. diesel001
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            No debate over Taylor on Coleman.

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          4. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Ok maybe an exaggeration 😛

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        3. ZLATAN'S PONYTAIL
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          No. Not really.

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        4. Ravager
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Lol. That logic...

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    2. Syd.
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      It was a poor decision but when you are down and out everything goes against you

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    3. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      So only if he breaks his leg the red would then suffice?

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      1. Pariße
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        He was not even close to breaking anything, his own ankle maybe, when he stepped on the ball like that.

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        1. Venom Snake
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Read above as it was said spot on.

          You don't punish the contact, you punish the recklessness of the challenge.

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          1. Pariße
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            Sure, I argued it wasn't reckless, rather unfortunate, because his foot bounced off the ball when he stepped on it.

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    4. Numb
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Yeah, not really a red

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    5. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Lots of force behind a studs up foot. Straight off

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      1. km79
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Phil Neville now thinks it was an orange card ............straight red . After all the furore over Neil Taylor's tackle I'm suprised there is even any debate. Does a players leh have to be broken for people to accept these type of tackles are extremely dangerous ?

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    6. Team Bobcat
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Studs showing ball or no ball, player in the vicinity RED card.

      Even with zero contact.

      No qualms about it.

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  16. diesel001
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Jamie Redknapp and Phil Neville say it is a YC too.

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    1. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Exactly

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      1. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Phil Neville is the guy who loves Sunderland yeah? Not that guy who played for Man Utd for years with his brother Gary? He must be massively pro-Sunderland right.

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    2. Fitzy.
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Make sure you let us know if you hear any pundits that think differently to you.

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      1. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        I will. But heard none on radio or TV which shows how poor a decision it is by the ref.

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        1. km79
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          Phil Neville now says it's an orange card

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  17. Gnu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Even daft wee Phil Neville didn't think it was a red.

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    1. Syd.
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      There's noone dafter than that wee critter

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      1. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        No Sir, I don't think there is 😆

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        1. Syd.
          • 17 Years
          9 years, 3 months ago

          He bet his life on another goal being scored in a match the other week but unfortunately he hasn't paid up yet

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          1. Venom Snake
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 3 months ago

            😆

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  18. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Sanchez, Vardy > Haz, Kane

    No brainer?

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    1. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Sanchez has got Boro, hold.

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    2. Our Man Charlie
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      wait till after monday game

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  19. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Next week would Siggy & Vardy > Ibra & Zaha (-4) be a good move?

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    1. Ben the Mee
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Solid

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    2. BALOOO
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      The exact move im planning to do!

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  20. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    If you go into a tackle out of control and over the top is it a red or yellow regardless of you making contact?

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    1. sully29
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      The real issue here is that it probably depends on the ref.

      Either you punish these tackles and protect the players or let them go an accept that nasty injuries will happen.

      If Sunderland have a complaint here (and I think they do) it's not that the red was unfair but more that the inconsistency in how those tackles are punished is unfair. On another day the ref would have given a yellow.

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    2. Mic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Studs/two footed with force is red because of the danger, leg breaks etc, sometimes even given with minimal - no contact.

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  21. PvA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    1. Who scores more?

    A) Eriksen, Zaha, PVA
    B) Tadic, Negredo, Walker

    2. Would you take a -8 to get A?

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    1. Syd.
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      A

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    2. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      A but not for an 8 point hit. For short term maybe Eriksen/Alli, Zaha and Trippier, although Davies could be safer

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      1. PvA
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 3 months ago

        Can't do that... I have Alli and want to go to 352 asap

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  22. dmhomag
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    This really gets me. Larsson lunged in two footed, feet off the ground into an opponent. You will never hope to get or control the ball, merely to kick it away. With the risk of serious injury or a leg break like Coleman.You are lucky not to be banned for life. This should be trained out of kids in the academies.

    It doesn't matter if you make contact with the ball anymore. You've physially endangered another player.

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    1. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Agreed

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    2. Ravager
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      And that's why he got the card. The intent/recklessness. The only way players hesitate to go into those is if they feel like they'll be duly punished. I remember before the Taylor challenge on Coleman, Bale had a similarly poor tackle on another player and didn't get punished. That set the tone and now Coleman's leg is broken.

      People condemn leg breaks but unless these type of challenges are properly punished, they'll always happen.

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  23. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Not late to the party. Doing stuff with the kids and phone is confiscated but I'm hiding behind a bush with it at the moment.
    Where is Valencia??

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    1. ZLATAN'S PONYTAIL
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Prob rested with mid week Europa league game in.mind.

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    2. Numb
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Who knows

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    3. the snazzy viking
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      rested before a hectic list of fixtures for United

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    4. Business Cat
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Is he hiding in the bush with you? We don't know where he is.

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  24. HazardAGuess
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Think someone at MoneySuperMarket has been watching D Piddy.

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  25. vectorman
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    I know Sunderland are terrible and all but they have a playing forward at 4.3 who has a double and not to bad a fixtures.. Kind of tempted

    On my WC that could have allowed me to have a midfield of.. Alli Erik Haz Sanchez de Roon and I miss out on Ibra by 0.1 along with Kane. Bit of jiggery pokery could have sorted that - what a midifield though, I love it. 😀

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  26. Henning
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    I didnt watch the game but why did Azpi get 1 bp and Alonso 0 even if he got a goal?

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    1. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Because BAPS aren't awarded for goals scored only

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    2. PvA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 3 months ago

      Silly system. They account tackles, blocks and interceptions highly so Azpi gets many bps

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  27. Jakarta
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Does anyone know why Caceres has not yet taken the place of Stephens for Southampton?

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  28. itwaswritten
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    So happy Valencia is rested. Stephens will come in with 9 points.

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  29. Lav
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Wow picking up Valencia and Walker in these past 3 GWs has killed me. Thank god I played WC for next week.

    Got up to 94k last week and now I am falling. 117k now. Need Lukaku Vardy Sanchez to do something

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  30. thunder_mike
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 3 months ago

    Walker + Vardy > Gibson + Kane for a hit.
    Then Lukaku > Ibra GW34 sound good?

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