Moving Target
28 June 2017 434 comments
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After parting company with Claude Puel earlier this month, Southampton announced Mauricio Pellegrino as their new manager on a three-year deal.

The 45-year-old Argentinian links up with Saints after guiding Alaves to a ninth place finish in La Liga last season, while he also led the Spanish club to their first ever appearance in the final of the Copa del Rey, losing 3-1 to Barcelona.

Speaking to the club’s official website, vice-chairman Les Reed outlined what style of football and overall philosophy Southampton fans can expect under the new boss:

“Mauricio believes with the quality we have we can play exciting, attacking football, taking the game to our opponents by playing a high-intensity game. He will continue to develop and introduce young players whilst building on the core of experience that we have in the squad.”

The History

Born in Leones, Argentina, Pellegrino spent a significant period of his playing career in his homeland for Velez Sarsfield before moving to Europe to join Barcelona on loan. He also had spells at Valencia, Liverpool and Alaves.

After retiring in June 2006, Pellegrino joined the coaching set-up at Valencia, managing the ‘B’ side, before returning to Liverpool as a first-team coach during Rafael Benitez’s reign.

Pellegrino then followed Benitez to Inter Milan, but left the club when the Spaniard was dismissed in December 2010.

His first management role came at Valencia, taking charge on a two-year deal ahead of the 2012/13 season.

But with Valencia sat in 12th place in December 2012, Pellegrino was relieved of his duties, returning to his homeland to take charge of Estudiantes in April 2013.

He spent two years there and a further year in charge at Independiente before moving back to Spain to guide newly-promoted Alaves to a successful season in the top flight last term.

The Prospects

Given that Pellegrino generally favours a 4-2-3-1 formation, which was used in 22 of Alaves’ 38 league matches last term, there may not be a dramatic change in Southampton’s tactical approach from that under Puel – initially, at least.

The Frenchman played with a back four throughout last season, switching between 4-1-2-1-2, 4-3-3 and 4-2-3-1 systems.

But Pellegrino is tactically very flexible, with adaptability a key mantra of the former Liverpool defender.

Pellegrino operated with a five-man defence in eight matches last term, including a famous 2-1 away win at Barcelona when he opted for a 5-4-1 system.

That defensive approach was favoured in tougher away matches, with a four-man backline generally seen in home fixtures.

The main strength of Alaves last season was their defence. They conceded just 43 goals – a record bettered only by Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid and Villarreal.

Interestingly, there wasn’t much difference between their defensive record home and away, with seven clean sheets coming in front of their own fans compared to five on the road.

They conceded 21 goals at home, with 10 of those coming in heavy defeats to Barcelona and Real Madrid, while they only shipped 22 in away matches.

That defensive record was comparable to Southampton’s last season, who kept eight shut-outs at home and six on their travels, conceding 21 times at St Mary’s and 27 on the road.

Only three teams managed more clean sheets than Saints’ 14 last term, and Alaves’ defensive record under Pellegrino suggests the Southampton backline could again provide a good source of defensive returns this season.

With Pellegrino switching between four and five-man backlines, the Alaves full-backs spent plenty of time operating as wing-backs, making them key attacking outlets.

First-choice left-back Theo Hernandez and right-back Kiko Femenia were among the top five for key passes for Alaves last year, which could potentially be good news regarding the prospects of Cedric Soares and Ryan Bertrand – providing they remain at St Mary’s.

Cedric was ranked in the top four for successful crosses and key passes among Fantasy Premier League (FPL) defenders in 2016/17 and certainly has the quality in the final third to thrive.

But while the outlook looks very positive regarding the prospects for Saints defenders, Alaves worryingly displayed some of the same attacking failings that blighted Puel’s time on the south coast.

Alaves had the joint-fourth worst goalscoring record, registering just 41 goals, and managed the fifth fewest shots in La Liga.

Their tally of 19 goals at home was the second worst in the division, and very similar to Southampton last term, who managed just 17 goals at St Mary’s, with only Sunderland (16) scoring fewer on home soil.

Pellegrino only started with two forwards on four different occasions last season, so it’s likely he’ll operate with a lone striker.

Manolo Gabbiadini and Charlie Austin are expected to vie for that one spot, although the Italian did feature many times in a wider role back in his homeland – something to consider for the new Saints boss.

Pellegrino liked his defence to sit deep, soaking up the pressure, so he generally favoured a fast counter-attacking approach, which could be more suited to the mobility of Gabbiadini.

At Alaves, Pellegrino decided not to use an out-and-out number 10, with a secondary striker preferred. However, with the talents of Dusan Tadic and Sofiane Boufal at his disposal, he will be expected to change that policy.

Out wide, Pellegrino’s wingers were relied upon to primarily whip well-placed crosses into the box, although they at times played narrower to allow the full-backs to raid forward.

Alaves’ top scorer only netted seven times in the league last season – the same number that Redmond reached to lead the charts for Southampton.

That is a concern, although the fact Austin was injured for much of last season and Gabbiadini only arrived during the January transfer window do provide mitigating circumstances.

It’s worth noting that Alaves didn’t provide a huge attacking threat from set-plays, scoring just nine goals via this method, with only two sides having a worse record in La Liga.

Saints also struggled for goals from set-pieces last term, scoring just eight, again perhaps indicating that it’s the full-backs who look set to provide the strongest options from the defence.

One of Pellegrino’s main strengths is his meticulous planning on the training ground, along with his ability to make tactical tweaks during matches.

He is known to spend days preparing his plans, providing his players with the information to make them feel comfortable changing formations during the 90 minutes if required.

He can favour a “high press”, but should the situation require his side to limit pressure from inside his own half, he will do just that.

Game-planning to counter the strengths of opponents is a key part of Pellegrino’s thinking, so he’ll need to quickly become aware of how all 19 Premier League teams like to set up.

Southampton’s fixture list over the first few months (SWA, WHM, hud, WAT, cpl, MUN, sto, NEW, WBA, brt, BUR) looks tailor made for investment, particularly in their backline.

Cedric and Bertrand look of real interest then, while Fraser Forster should be a strong option in goal.

Virgil van Dijk will also be a factor, providing he also remains at St Mary’s and is fully fit by the time the new season starts. But with plenty of transfer speculation regarding several Saints players, the personnel we have to choose from may well change by the time we approach Gameweek 1.

With Alaves one of the big success stories in La Liga last season, finishing 24 points above the relegation zone, Pellegrino will hope he can improve on Southampton’s disappointing total of 46 points last term.

From a Fantasy perspective, it’s likely we’ll be able to rely on Saints defensive assets once again under the new boss, particularly given the kind opening schedule, but caution is advised before investing in attacking options.

New additions may well be needed in order to make Southampton attackers appealing options, with pre-season matches hopefully providing indication as to whether we can trust the likes of Redmond and Gabbiadini after they frustrated during the final months of 2016/17.

Following a disappointing campaign under Puel, Southampton will hope the appointment of Pellegrino will propel the club back to the heights reached under Mauricio Pochettino and Ronald Koeman.

For now, we should expect Saints to again be a well-organised side, capable of maintaining their strong defensive record.

But the new boss will have to place extra focus on how his team can be more effective at the other end of the pitch.

Further Reference

Mauricio Pellegrino Wikipedia

Mauricio Pellegrino Transfer Markt Page

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  1. KingNidge
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Another pathetic run up

    Seriously what is that about

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Bravo had put the fear of god into them.... They were shitting themselves 🙂

    2. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Idiots, the lot of them. Ronnie needs to get over his "winning penalty" ego and take them first

    3. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      They need to watch some John Aldridge on youtube

    4. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      (•_•)
      i need to stop sitting like this
      / \

  2. UnitedFan
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Max bonus for Bravo.

  3. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Bravo 3

    Ronnie 0

  4. Phil Dagger ⭐
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Bravo

    😎
    😎
    😎

  5. liiusions
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    To think people doubted Pep when he was hyping up Bravo...

    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He just bought a replacement for him lol

  6. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    That shootout really pissed me off, both as an Argentina fan...but especially as a City fan

    1. The Big Fella
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Sos argentino che?

      1. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        🙂 No, lo siento!

        1. The Big Fella
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Hahaha so why are you an Argentina fan then?

  7. Lovren an elevator
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Could have still been in it if Ronaldo had taken first penalty....glory hunting douchebag

    1. liiusions
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Couldn't agree more. All about his ego and wanting the headlines for scoring the winning pen

      1. Lovren an elevator
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        I'd like to say Portugal will never win anything with his attitude....but....

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He's not particularly good at penalties though.

      1. The Big Fella
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Or free kicks and he gets his way with those too.....

  8. Phil Dagger ⭐
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Suck it Pep 😉

  9. CloudSky
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    SkySources: "Pep wants to loan the newcomer Ederson back to Portugal."

  10. Jazz!
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    BRAVOOOO

  11. Zasa
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Bravooooo vamoooos mierdaaaaaa

  12. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Ronnie still waiting to take the winning penalty 😆 😆

    Unlucky

    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Bravo to keep the number 1 jersey at City.. every cloud... lol

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Always knew he was a great shot stopper

    2. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      His own fault. Not that it would've changed much with these others bottlers. Called a miss when every one of them stepped up. Penalties aren't for the flair players.

    3. Phil Dagger ⭐
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      he must be so angry 😡

      Florentino Perez will have to suck up sso hard when he returns

  13. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    If Pep uses this as justification to start Bravo over Ederson...

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Well Bravo is obviously the better player.

    2. Phil Dagger ⭐
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      he will be genius 😉

    3. Foozeball
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Bravo is a good player. Could've been a number of reasons why he couldn't show it for City. Horrendous defence in front of him; difficulty adjusting to the English game (remember De Gea in his early United days?); personal issues perhaps

      1. Zasa
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        People forget he was world class before he came to Man City. But hindsight's 20/20 innit.

        No denying he's been god awful at City though

      2. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        I don't think he can get away with blaming the defense for his performances. He just lost confidence in a hurry when he realized he won't the protection from referees he's been used to.

  14. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Why do you all seem to think that Ronaldo would have took his pen any better?

    1. Phil Dagger ⭐
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Because Sanchez scored from a pen..

  15. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    You know what? Being censored for nothing is one thing, saying it will be posted shortly when there is no chance of it being so is insulting

    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      i never wait i just re post immediately and take out the word i think may have been questionable

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Would the word have been Ronaldo or Nani? 😉

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      What did you say? Minus whatever got modded of course.

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        I called Ronaldo a bottler and Nani a twit

        1. KingNidge
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I would have modded that too lol

        2. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          As good as Ronaldo is, he's far too big headed for his own good.

        3. Optimus.
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Must be a Spurs mod on duty when you mentioned "bottler" and it was modded

          1. FPL Kangaroo
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Hahahah

    3. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Better off just saying that it has been binned it would be easier to take.
      Has a comment ever passed that authoritarian censorship board once flagged?

      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        I've seen it happen, but then the site has moved on by about 10 pages and nobody will see it anyway.

      2. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Exactly. They are never re posted after review, never. I doubt anyone even looks at them

        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 18 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I've checked them and see the issue - bit harsh as Tony Pulis would say. I'll sort and relax the filter.

  16. Foozeball
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    F***ing hate Fox Sports coverage. Bunch of know-nothing tools as analysts.

    They were talking so much shit about Bravo and how Portugal would win a penalty shootout, and then afterwards, one remarks that he can't give Bravo credit because the penalties weren't good. What a load of sour grapes over being wrong! Good penalties or bad penalties, it's still impressive to save 3 in a row

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Aye. What else can he do but save them? Diving the right way 3 times in a row is hard enough.

    2. Foozeball
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Who's a worse commentator? Michael Owen or Alexi Lalas? Both are so horrendous to the point I immediately mute the TV if either of them is there

    3. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Fox Sports
      Fox News
      Sam Fox

      3 things I have no desire to watch

      1. Phil Dagger ⭐
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        What about Megan Fox? 😉

        1. FPL Kangaroo
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah I would defo watch her 😉

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          1. FPL Kangaroo
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Loooooooooool

          2. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Are you from a 1970s Carry On film?

    4. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I always avoid the prematch coverage and the postmatch coverage. They're all idiots, especially Alexi Lalas and that bloke who leads the introduction. I like the Latino guy though haha

      I remember when Ronaldo scored a few days ago on Messi's birthday that was a focal point of their conversation...such morons

  17. Zasa
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Threee finalsss in a row, dios mío

  18. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Syds Breaking News

    Alexis Sanchez cannot wait to sign for Man City, he has just stated he has always wanted to play in a team with a world class keeper

    1. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      The only positive may be that Sanchez wants Bravo as a teammate now

  19. Optimus.
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    "Arrosasm"

    Great word Jimmy 😀

    1. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      *Arrogasm

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Too late, the moment has gone

        1. Optimus.
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          That what she said 😐

          1. ★Kuntheman★
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            "And Optimus still manages to steal some points!"

            1. Optimus.
              • 14 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              😛

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I'd pay money to see him, Paul Walsh & Paul Merson commentate

      Reckon they would make up at least 50 new words between them

      1. Optimus.
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        😛

      2. KingNidge
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Merson is a moron but i would challenge anyone to put away the amount of booze and coke he has over the years and still make sense on live television

        1. FPL Kangaroo
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Yeah it takes skill that.

        2. Syd.
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I like him but he is completely off his rocker

          1. KingNidge
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Same.. was a smashing player in his day too

  20. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Ronaldo knew he would score and that would've been disrespectful to the three who missed. Elite mentality.

    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He's very thoughtful like that berbs

  21. Je suis le chat
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Touching documentary on sky about plastic bags (including walkers crisp bags) killing a whale. Ashamed as a consumer, determined to pick up discarded plastic bags I find on my walks around our disgracefully littered roads etc.

    1. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Littering is scummy behaviour detest seeing it

    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Makes me sick

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znW8Zf6jvGg

      1. KingNidge
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

      2. UnitedFan
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Haha

      3. FPL Kangaroo
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        haha

        1. Je suis le chat
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Thanks, needed cheering up. My change my name to Deez Nuts!

          1. Optimus.
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            😀 Impractical Jokers fan? 🙂

      4. Nuka Girl
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Made me think of this movie.
        This plastic bag should have got an Oscar for this performance!
        https://youtu.be/gHxi-HSgNPc

    3. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      They are saying that plastic beeds found in exfoliating soap are causing huge problems.
      It is ridiculous the worlds oceans is being used as a dump.

      Much bigger problem than carbon emissions imo.

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Exactly what is wrong with a good old fashioned bar of carbolic soap

        1. Ógie
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Brings back memories of my mother giving me a bath in the sink.

          1. FPL Kangaroo
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I still do that....

          2. UnitedFan
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Where's Crean gone?

            1. Ógie
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Munster final week i am getting into the spirit.

              1. UnitedFan
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Oh, I didn't even realize that was a Kerry jersey. Good luck.

          3. Optimus.
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            With silver spoon in mouth?

            1st world problem there Ogie

    4. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Gary Lineker has a lot to answer for

      1. Je suis le chat
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        You'd think they'd sell stuff in biodegradable bags these days. Technology is there I think.

        1. Syd.
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I think they actually are biodegradable but it takes them a few years to biodegrade as they are meant to go to landfill

      2. Optimus.
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Ear, ear!

        1. Optimus.
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          *Here, here

  22. Botman and Robben
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Than Nani pen was just horribly taken!

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Bravo had given him the eyes

    2. Optimus.
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He should have squared it to someone

  23. Foozeball
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Rumors of Nathan Ake transferring to Bournemouth.
    Let the hype begin 🙂
    (Would probably be 5.0 instead of

    1. Foozeball
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      *instead of less than 4.5

    2. Lovren an elevator
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Id take him for 4.5
      Nailed, good goal threat, and can play either FB aswell I believe?

    3. Pirlø's Pen
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Discussed this in a different article and the consensus was unfortunately he will be 5.0

  24. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    BBC Live text of tonight's CL Tie

    45'+1' First Half ends, Linfield 0, La Fiorita 0.

    22' Crocefisso Miglietta (La Fiorita) is shown the yellow card for a bad foul.

    Kick Off - First Half begins.

  25. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    It must be tough being a mod sometimes. You have to enforce rules you didn't create, make some unpopular decisions and you often get a lot of stick.

    1. FPL Kangaroo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I'd say it's sometimes hard being FPL Virgin also ehh? 😉

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        It is tough being a maverick.

    2. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Poor oul TM cant even sleep at night with the stress of the job

    3. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I think they rest easy at night

  26. TheEntertainers
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Does anyone know a lot about the new Arsenal left back Sead Kolasinac? Is he likely to break straight into the first team?

    1. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 18 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      He could be decent for us....here's our report..

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2017/06/11/scout-report-sead-kolasinac/

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        How many premium defenders are you looking at for GW1, Mark?

        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 18 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I went with just one last year - Valencia.

          I think I'd like Southampton cover and another big-hitter - probably Valencia or Bailly.

          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            What about Moses, Milner, Kolasinac, Rose et al? Am I crazy or does there seem to be a staggering amount of choice in defence this year with the rise of the full backs. I'm wondering if the GW1 template needs to be overhauled.

          2. UnitedFan
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Does Bailly's lack of goal threat worry you for 6.0 (likely price), or does his bonus potential make up for that?

            1. Mark
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 18 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              It's not great but I don't think any of the United defence have a decent goal threat - but I still think they're important early on and probably over the season.

              1. UnitedFan
                • 10 Years
                8 years, 5 months ago

                Agreed on lack of goal threat in our defence. I do think Lindelof will come in at 5.5., though he lacks goal threat too. According to your report on him, he'll fall behind Bailly in terms of bonus due to less CBI and tackles. Assuming he comes in at that price, do you reckon Bailly is worth the extra 0.5 for his bonus potential?

                1. Mark
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 18 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  If United are struggling to score goals again then, yes. In a 1-0 win Bailly will get bonus - in a 3-0, that's unlikely.

                2. fedolefan
                  • 11 Years
                  8 years, 5 months ago

                  Bailly is not worth the extra over anyone from United in my view. I got him GW28 last season, fairly early, and he rewarded me excellently, but his bonus points were weird. He'd get 2 bonus in a 1-1 and 0 bonus in a 0-0. He's not the bonus point magnet he appears to be. TonyV is way better as an option.

                  1. UnitedFan
                    • 10 Years
                    8 years, 5 months ago

                    Was thinking about Valencia, but Bailly seems more secure. Thinking forward to CL time and the congested Winter period, Valencia looks more likely to be rested. There's a patch where there are 4 PL games played over 2 weeks, at least I've heard. I want my United defender to be a fire and forget option for the season and I plan on making as little transfers as possible in defence. Therefore I think it makes sense to go with the safer pick, Bailly. I just don't want any headache. However Valencia is definitely better value due to his attacking threat (assuming both are 6.0, which is likely).

    2. UnitedFan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Yes, he'll start. Very likely as the LWB.

    3. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Yeah, he's substantially better than any left back/left wing back they have. I assume Monreal may move to LCB of the 3.

    4. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Bit older now, but I wrote a rundown on him a while ago too: http://whogottheassist.com/posts/362

      Looks a good punt if 5.5!

  27. Legomane
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    I heard this hilarious rumour that Bravo saved three shots on target in a row tonight 😆

    1. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Lol this is clearly fake news

  28. Lovren an elevator
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Why are Chelsea so keen on vitolo? Doesn't have very good stats and didn't even seem nailed for Seville

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Not every squad player needs to be world class. That being said, Vitolo is actually pretty decent.

    2. Ghost Gooner
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I dont get it either. They have Willian, Haz, Pedro sharing 2 spots already. Traore could have been recalled to add cover with Kenedy being a reserve for an injury crisis

  29. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 5 months ago

    Does playing as a wing-back as opposed to a 'full-back' actually bring you more attacking points? Here's my take on the ffs 'myth':

    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I need this.

    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 18 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      You really sure but I guess only if you're good enough to exploit being further forward. Players like Alonso and Monreal got in some incredible positions but missed opportunities.

      You also get some points just by being further up the field - Valencia scoring that ridiculous late goal at Boro having been pushed into the wing-back role springs to mind.

      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        Does their attacking role actually change compared to that of a full-back in a traditional four at the back system?

        *Does Alonso vs Daniels in the comparison tool*

        *sits smugly*

        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 18 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          I think Daniels is possibly the most attack minded traditional LB in the PL so I wouldn't be surprised if he compare well to a WB - he's on my wanted list too. However I'd still say that a WB in an accomplished attacking side would have a greater potential than any FB.

          Would that extend to a Pieters or a Lowton? Not sure - I think the team in question would have to promise a decent goal returns to turn our heads.

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            I agree on the attacking team part, look at Holebas for an example of a non-profitable 'wing-back'. As with FB vs WB it's hard to tell without having data in both systems for the same player(quality of FB is more of an impact that position?), a case study on Spurs' full-backs given that they used both systems last season might be the most beneficial in settling this debate.

    3. liiusions
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Playing further forward surely means more attacking opportunities?

    4. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Think it's that, as BFS would've said, WBs are more likely to be in a POMO (position of maximum opportunity) by dint of their natural positioning being slightly further forward, especially if they are tactically intructed to overlap the winger or, indeed, if they are the only width if the team in question is playing with 3 centre mids.

      Very glad Donald got involved though. I feel like he's been lacking from my life for the last 24h 😉

      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        But are these wing-backs actually further forward and in the POMO more than 'full-backs' or are we making this up completely? That is more of what i'm asking. Give me the hard facts rather than the expected hypothesis.

        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 18 Years
          8 years, 5 months ago

          Hopefully, when we start storing specific player positions in or DB we can see this in more detail to give you a definitive answer.

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            8 years, 5 months ago

            Is it not hard to specify a players position based on an average position or such a metric? I'd rather have a human interpret his role in a system but you'd want to keep it non-subjective I'd assume?

            1. Individual
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 5 months ago

              Interesting idea. I'm on holiday at the moment but I'll have a look at this next week, probably comparing two or three exemplars av positions and see if there's a story there 🙂

    1. Pirlø's Pen
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      Gotta say 2. Sorry FFS, I still love you!

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        The calculation of what points they would have scored in FPL last season is interesting and I like the rating out of 5, but you just can't beat the way FFS write.

    2. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 5 months ago

      I prefer my own analysis of not touching new signings unless you can see they're seriously undervalued and you'll really really miss out if you don't get them from GW1.
      3 or 4 weeks of Arsenal data in his new system with new teammates and a new role is much better than 38 weeks of Schalke 'analysis' an projections with speculative data based on a speculative in a speculative Arsenal system.

      1. noquarternt
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 5 months ago

        This.