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Following up on my very quick ‘points per game per million’ research I posted recently, here is an updated and improved list for anyone who is interested.ย I am not a statistician so all of this must be taken with a pinch of salt, but I found it very interesting to put together and I have enough faith in the research for it to inform my decision to go for five premium defenders at the back, with an even balance to the rest of the squad.

Rationale

When we play Fantasy Premier League we are essentially trying to spend 100m as efficiently as possible, so the calculation in the backs of our minds is always point per game per million (ppg/m) even if we donโ€™t think about it when we are setting up our teams.

The idea of this table is to work out where the pounds are best spent around the squad by identifying the best value players and their positions based on their average points per game divided by their price at the end of the season.

The players are categorised by price range, broadly budget, mid-price, or premium within each position, with further gradations between these categories.

Results

Analysis

It’s still a crude study but there are still interesting things to note:

  • The list is dominated by cheap-mid price keepers such as Tom Heaton, then premium defenders and mid-price defenders, then cheap/mid-price midfielders, then premium midfielders, mixing fairly equally with premium attackers towards the bottom.
  • There are no super-cheap defenders. There are very few budget picks in midfield or attack either. This is surprising and suggests that the best value is to be found in the middle reaches of each positional price range.
  • The first forward on the list is in position 20. ย This is, perhaps surprisingly, Swansea’s Fernando Llorente
  • The first premium forward (10m+) is Harry Kane in position 32.
  • Even the biggest hitters from last season are fairly low down the list. Alexis Sanchez and Eden Hazard are below a raft of other midfield picks.
  • For every million spent, for comparative purposes, the best-performing cheap-mid keepers get you 0.87 points per game. By contrast, the premium forwards (including Vardy here) only get you 0.53 points per game.
  • This tells me that packing a team full of premium attackers just isn’t worth it, unless (see below) you are going to captain them regularly. Even then, if you have more than one premium in a team then the others are largely going to waste in a given gameweek.

Conclusion

Subject to the below caveats, I would conclude that the best use of my pounds would be spent to upgrade players from the base level. The investment is most pronounced with defenders, particularly the attacking wingback, which really came to the fore last season. Then, decent mid-high price midfield is the next priority.

The sweet spot for midfielders seems to be the 8-9.5m mark (last seasonโ€™s Sadio Manรฉ, Dele Alli, and Christian Eriksen). Past the 10m mark, you end up getting worse and worse value from players in both the midfield and forward bracket.

Forwards are poor value in general and I will not be spending much money on my forwards except with one enormous caveat – captaincy. The super-premium forwards and midfielders are still the highest points scorers and at least one of these should be picked for captaincy.

Additional Notes

  • All data, including the pricing, is now based on last year’s finishing prices. This gives us a halfway house between expectation and reality as prices rose and fell slightly. Encouragingly, the rules have not changed since last season, and there have been no game-changing price tweaks. I recognise that some players fell in value towards the end of the season due to injury or falling out of favour. These playersโ€™ stats are going to be slightly boosted as a result, so bear this in mind.
  • I have included 20 players from midfield and scaled down from there to pick the best 10% in each position, based on points per game. Numbers are based on this yearโ€™s stats – squads haven’t changed that much in sum) There are 200 midfielders in the game, so it’s the top 10%. Likewise, there are 66 keepers so I have included 7 etc.
  • Players like Josh King are still classed as midfielders for this research
  • My categorisations as to budget-mid-premium are largely subjective, but I think they look about right
  • All players should have โ€ฏplayedย 2000 minutes or more. Sorry if the odd outlier slipped through.
  • I do not have statistics for points per game per million, so I had to choose best points per game and get the millions from that selection. There may be players who have slipped through the net who have a higher PPG/m, but I donโ€™t think this has much of a bearing on the results.

Caveat #1 โ€“ Captaincy. You need a good captain every week, and you may well want to rotate two or even three based on form and fixtures. Kaneโ€™s 7.5ppg is incredible and, doubled to 15ppg, makes him worth the outlay.

Caveat #2 – this is based on points per game, not minutes, so cameo players are disadvantagedย by the numbers. Unfortunately last seasonโ€™s points per minute are not easily available.

Caveat #3 Playing devil’s advocate against myself, I recognise that the returns on premium strikers are more predicable than premium defenders. For example, who would have guessed that Chelsea’s Marcos Alonso would be so strong, or Kyle Walker in his sixth full season? Whereas we knew Harry Kane would perform well, and itโ€™s worth paying a little more for this surety. So it’s all very well to say that Alonso is a better value pick, but is he the same pick as last year? Maybe not and, if not, how do we know where this year’s Alonso is going to come from?

Cavet #4 This just occurred to me as I was writing up. Itโ€™s all very well saving money by going for the best value, which clearly looks to be mid-price keepers and mid-premium defenders, but if we are saving money by doing this, and the top-level players are poor value picks, then what are we saving the money for? Based on my data I would advise making sure you should spend the money making sure you have invested moderately in each midfield and non-captain position, and free up the rest to get the best captain pick or two that you can.

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  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thanks for submitting.

    It certainly is leaving me questioning the value of say Mane at 9.5 over the possible value of Pogba at 8.0.

    Last year's wealth of 8.0 to 8.5 players who outperformed their price tag may have been an issue in that becoming the sweet spot. Wonder if that was the same other seasons, when say Mahrez and Vardy where those sorts of players - at a fraction of the cost.

    1. LONG LIVE ZOLA
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mkhitaryan has way better value than Pogba imo. He's right behind Lukaku and coming off a tremendous preseason.

      1. Waxys
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        But he's not nailed Pogba is

      2. ste_the_legend
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        The difference is though that Pogba is gonna play 90 minutes every week whereas Mkhiy will probably start 2/3 games at most and is often subbed off.

        1. ste_the_legend
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Pogba ought to be playing more advanced this season too, although there was an article on here last week questioning whether that would have the expected effect on his attacking stats

      3. Captain Roberto
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Pogba believes his own hype.

    2. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers Jonty. It was a fun piece to pit together.

      My single biggest conclusion from it is that there might be a tendency, possibly deliberately played upon by the number-crunchers in FPL towers, for people to be willing to pay almost whatever it takes to get the best players, regardless of the value they present. If Kane scored a goal every game, there would still be a price point where I would be tempted to ignore him for a much cheaper player who scored three in four, for example.

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        *put

      2. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        That's a really good point.

        Its why I avoided RVP when they made him 14m....no matter what he did I couldn't see him offering value. Was a silly mistake by FPL and I note they haven't done that again.

        By happy coincidence he was awful that season and wasn't even worth 9m let alone the 12.5 they should have priced him at.

        My current three heavy weight captaincy options are Lukaku, Kane and KDB who all offer those extra points to make them worth it - well that's the plan.

        Am definitely keen on players like Zaha and Pogba though due to their price and potential.

        The search for the next value king like Mahrez, Alli etc is key to any season - those that spot it before GWK 1 may even win FPL.

        1. _Make
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Good point! And wasn't Yaya 13.0 about three season back? Absolutely crazy pricing.

  2. ste_the_legend
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Captaincy is the big thing about the premium forwards, as the article says. I'm really struggling to fit both Kane and Lukaku into my team without damaging midfield or defence. Only one of them can be captain in a given week so I'm starting to think just pick one and leave them as captain every week rather than rotating the armband between fixtures, which is devastating when it goes wrong!

    1. Captain Roberto
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      That's the thing, isn't it, two big hitters removes cash from midfield. Removing cash removes goals but also lowers the potential for increasing team value early on. There are some serious goal scorers in midfield that cant be over looked when running hot.

  3. President Giggs
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Would this data not have been more relevant using this year's prices?

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I can do a follow-up - it would be an interesting comparison. The idea here was to see which player *categories* outperformed the expected metric of their pricing bracket. Aguero has fallen in price by 1.5m, but Kane has been promoted to (almost) fill the void. So Kane is this year's premium archetype. The pricing structures haven't changed much and neither have the rules, so I think the data holds fairly true. A lot of those in the Alli class have had a fairly modest price rise and it remains to be seen whether they still present better value than their peers.

      1. President Giggs
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah that's fair enough - good analysis! Would be interested to see how the table looked using this season's prices too with the likes of Kane and Lukaku even lower down the table.

  4. Positive vibes
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Guys, any thoughts on managers that more focus on H2H and adding team value with big hitters?

    I prefer to have Kane & Lukaku as big hitters with hope that their prices will increase and in the future when I need to sell them, I can upgarde or jump on band wagon which emerge.

    Thx you.

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I wouldn't say that going for big hitters is the best way to add team value. Think of it this way, if Lukaku has 100% ownership then his value can only go down, and vice versa. It's about picking the dark horses that you know are going to come good which may be flying under the radar a little bit.

      That said, you gain value across the squad rather than any one or two players, really. Pick nailed players with good fixtures and you should see decent price gains.

  5. Fifa las vegas
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Ok, I've sorted out the uncertainty involved with Willian, sane and Tripp, but am now the template's template.

    Elliot
    Bailly, Cedric, Francis
    KDB, Mkhi, Mane, Ritchie
    Kane, Lukaku, Mounie

    4.0, RLC, Mee, 4.0

  6. greghammer95
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Intersting article but I think Value is 50% of the game and the overall calculation for value is somewhat skewed due to total points not coming into it as a % of budget and against the average price for each position.

    I really don't know how to explain it but I think we need to consider the average price too, you can't get any players worth picking really in that 6-7m midfielder or attacker range so therefore the real value lies in those more expensive. Last year with Liverpool & Spurs mids I think are skewing these figures and if priced similar to what they are now your analysis would look different.

    I'm going to work this through, watch this space...

    1. Fifa las vegas
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good point.

    2. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I kind of know what you're getting at, (fellow Hammer, btw!). Consider this space watched. I know how hard it is to articulate niggling, abstract concerns like this. I get it all the time ๐Ÿ™

      1. greghammer95
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        What do you think on our chances this season? I literally have no idea!

        Articulating ideas is a talent in itself, you can have the best logic etc. but without articulation it's all pointless! Something I'm working on with work as well as an analyst it's probably quite important! I think you've done brilliantly above and flows well.

        1. _Make
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Thanks, Greg, really appreciate it.

          I can only hope we have a better season than last, although the stadium is a real concern. I haven't visited yet, more of an armchair fan myself, but looking at the coverage of the athletics over the last few days brings home just how far away from the pitch the fans really are.

          Having said that, we have made a couple of decent signings and we finally have a natural finisher with PL experience. In Arnautovic we have a player who is in his prime and can really get the crowd going. I just don't know.. Bilic just seems to lurch from feast to famine once or twice every season!

        2. I am dreading our forthcoming Season. Absolutely dreading it. ๐Ÿ™

          1. _Make
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I hate the start we have, and a good start is so important. Three away fixtures! What a joke ๐Ÿ™

            We will get those 'back' later but if the team is doing badly and the fans have turned then they will be as bad as three more away games!

  7. MUFASA
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I really like the idea and effort put into the analysis. The one thing that i would like to see is the % of players in each category (e.g. midfielder - budget/mid) that reached the highest echelons in the analysis. That way we can see the potential risk involved in choosing a player in a certain category.

    For every king there are plenty of pughs.

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very good point, you get a scarcity effect at the higher price ranges which means that you pay a premium but you can be fairly sure of decent returns - see my reply to Jarvish's reply (!) below ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. PPGPM is a fundamentally flawed measure as all players have a built in fixed overhead cost of 4.0 for GK/Defs and 4.5 for Mid/Atts.

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I kind of agree, Jarvish, although that's only there to force us to choose and spend and not cram certain premium positions - it's our choice whether we spend 4.0 of our precious budget on a player who won't ever get any points.

      If were were to look at value as being price compared to baseline, then the premium players would come off even worse. Then the data really would be skewed, in fact it's the fixed overhead which makes the above comparison workable.

      1. If a FPL team budget was 36 instead of 100 and all GK/Defs were 4 cheaper and all Mid/Atts were 4.5 cheaper there would be no difference to the game.

        Similarly, if a FPL team budget was 1600 instead of 100 and all players were 100 more expensive there would be no difference to the game.

        1. _Make
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I know what you are getting at now, but I think that this is factored into the existing pricing, so the pricing is scaled in such a way that the better 10.0 players will score nearly twice as many points as the better 5.0 players. So whilst you can't really get a player who costs less than 3.5m, the structure works in such a way that if you could then they would score similarly, but FPL will never price players like this as it will cause crazy team structures ๐Ÿ™‚

          A factor I had not considered fully is that you pay a premium for certainty. You don't know which 5.0s will perform, whereas you can have a good idea that De Bruyne will, although you pay for that by not quite getting twice the points of the best 5.0s

          1. Fair enough - would be quite an interesting exercise actually to compare average points scored per each price bracket to see if (for example) a 10.0 scores the same as 2 x 5.0s, to see if FPL "price correctly" in this regard ๐Ÿ™‚

    2. Prokoptas
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      This is the real value of a measure like VORP, that can bake in a baseline value by position. That gets really complex to calculate for something like FPL though (though I'm working on something at the moment to that effect).

      @redarrows, one quick fix I'd suggest to help with this particular dataset - multiply the PPGPM value for GKs and defenders by 0.89, to account for their lower baseline price. It's not the most statistically robust solution, but it functions to at least help with a first approximation of data normalisation.

    3. tm245
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very much this. We aren't choosing how to spend 100, we are choosong how to spend the extra 40m or so over the minimum required to field a team. That is one VORP issue, but another is that you wouldn't consider Atsu at 5m an elite midfielder, so the field of replacements for different slots in your lineup is even more expensive.

      I think an interesting VORP approach could be to use Auto complete as a baseline after you have filled in your minimum bench slots, like the Scout Picks, in essence asking: What can I get for my starting 11 at 83m?

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Interesting, but consider this: if I were to have made a team out of the best players from the list above in the first viable formation, if i had captained Kane every week and every player had scored their average PPG for an entire 38 games, then I would have finished with 2302 points. With chips, that's a top 10k finish!

        Factor in a bench of something like 4.5, 4.5, 4.5, 4.0 and that team costs a puny 88.4m. Of course there are a lot of 'if's there but I'm only using the bare minimum budget. Food for thought, I think:

        Jakupovic
        Blind
        Alonso
        Rose
        Jagielka
        Bertrand
        King
        Zaha
        Son
        Llorente
        Kane

        1. _Make
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          OK not the bare minimum, obviously, but not far off ๐Ÿ˜‰

        2. tm245
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Understand what you are getting at, but that isn't quite the game we are playing. With FTs each week and an extra 11m to spend, the inefficient picks are still valuable even if they don't earn as many points per million as the cheaper ones do.

          Your lineup would be ideal for a dead team challenge or a draft game with player costs factored into the choices. If you can use it as a baseline and build the FPL squad with somw extra spending on top of it, that would be a world beater.

  9. Prokoptas
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thanks for the submission - I really like this attempt to search out value. It's numerical confirmation of something we've all long thought, I think - that a budget fourth midfielder/third striker is really the beating heart of any overachieving fantasy team.

    One side note - this methodology is artificially boosting the numbers of players who peaked early in the season compared to those who peaked later (i.e. those whose price peak fell of before the end-of-season values you are using now, versus those for whom you are using peak values). If you can find the data anywhere, building a model that uses a player's points and price for each specific week would be really useful (this is something I'm building for 2017/18, but don't have the data for last season unfortunately).

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Hi Prokoptas,

      Really appreciate your replies. As I say I'm not statistician and there is every chance that my data and findings are so flawed as to be unusable, so it's just good to get the debate going. I certainly agree about price rises - if I understand you correctly they would have risen more quickly in early season than they would have fallen in the second half due to dead teams etc.

      I don't have the mathematical brain or training to put together the type of model you suggest, but it would be absolutely fascinating to see what a much cleverer chap than me can put together. I think the idea of 'value' is a useful one and should be explored with a more robust dataset.

      1. Prokoptas
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I'd argue the bigger pressure upon the price/points relationship is their net transfer rate. For example, you can have a two players who each scored 130 points, played the same number of minutes, and who both started at 5.5. Let's call them Player A and Player B.

        If player A scored 75% of his points in the first half of the season, then his mid-season price would likely have reached about 6.0. Then, at some point during a bad second half of the season, they were transferred out for player B who had a slow start but was scoring his 75% of those points during the second half. As a result, player A will see his end-of-season value dip back down towards 5.5. However, player B (driven by the late-season transfers) will be up to 6.0, which is where player A peaked during his own hot streak.

        Using your methodology, player A scored 130 points with an end-of-season price of 5.5. Player B scored 130 points with an end-of-season price of 6.0. Was player A more valuable because he scored more of his points earlier in the season? I don't think so.

        I don't mean to poke holes in your model - I actually think that you raised some really interesting points in the discussion at the end. I just think - as you said yourself - that we need to be really careful when dealing with single-moment snapshots of flexible variables like price, especially when they are informing strategies moving forward.

        All models have a degree of oversimplification - I'm of the opinion that FPL is so complex, that even the most informed and well-designed of projection systems will be wrong maybe 80% of the time. But we do what we can for the things we love!

  10. Fintantio83
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Afternoon chaps,

    Current team:

    DDG
    Danilo, Bailly, Bertrand
    KDB, Milo, Willian, Mane
    Kane, Kaku, Abraham.

    Elliot, Carroll, Long, Hunemeier.

    Couple of concerns. Willian or Fabregas? And i would love Zaha in there but not sure where to downgrade! HELP!

    1. amitmishr
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Zaha instead of Chelsea mids. Chelsea look in a complete disarray. They may get up to a catastrophic start this time round.

  11. FPLzebub
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Very interesting article although i'd really like to see a follow up using current prices. PPGPM becomes less relevant as budgets increase but at the start of the season it's a big factor. Whether it remains so depends on if cheap essentials emerge. In the 2015/16 season there was Mahrez and Vardy which freed up so much cash PPGPM became largely immaterial. I think that very much levels the playing field and hope budgets remain tight this season as it makes the game more interesting to play.

  12. baggins46
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Grav test ....

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Is that a mussel flanked by a couple of large prawns?

  13. jeolefmo
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    As I am having great difficulty this year, please rate my 154th draft of my team:

    GK
    Foster / Elliot
    DEF
    Daniels / Milner / Kolasinac / Mee / Hunemeier
    MID
    Eriksen / Zaha / De Bruyne / Carroll / L. Cook
    FOR
    Rodriguez / Kane / Lukaku

    Thanks in advance!

  14. Chrisinho
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    interesting article that has made me question my team selection (ive gone for lukaku - kane - lacazette -kdb) and then as cheap as possible to allow me to have those 4 big hitters.

    I do like the idea however I wonder how this reconciles with the "team of the year 16/17" thats on every page. Heaton and king aside every other player on there is "premium" so although it may point to going for premium defenders it would seem that going big up front is the way forward?

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think the TotY is way over-budget? A quick estimate puts it on about 115m!

  15. *Reformed-Character*
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A> Firmino & JWP
    B> Salah & Danillo
    ? ? ? ? ?

    1. ste_the_legend
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      How can you even compare?

      FOR & MID vs MID & DEF?

      1. *Reformed-Character*
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I can only assume you are new to this, the players suggested for comparison will be the pairings that i would potentially be playing, ie in different formations......

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          He asked a legitimate question. Who is your bench player in each formation? i.e. defender in A and striker in B.

          1. *Reformed-Character*
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            No he did not ask a legitimate question, it was an entirely daft question..

            1. SerenityLater
              • 8 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Your question is hardly clear.

              1. *Reformed-Character*
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                Wow....Which duo scores more points obviously...

            2. L S P
              • 10 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              i think perhaps you should judge the helpful responses to your query to realize you're the one who's daft.

              1. *Reformed-Character*
                • 8 Years
                8 years, 9 months ago

                It's a simple question, which duo scores more points, I fail to see how it's unclear, to which I received zero helpful responses....

          2. *Reformed-Character*
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Sorry at what point did he ask who my bench players are ? Stop trying to be clever buddy, it clearly doesn't work or you...

            1. skipnicklee
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              Now that you've werified the qvestion to a simple who vill score most points - I vould say Danilo and Salah have much more girth in the points department - not expecting Vard-Prowse to do much, he's newer been more than a half decent budget option, and the best predictor of future behawiour is past behawiour. Maybe your patronising, supercilious response to ste the legend has something to do with the uncooperative responses you've garnered. Ewerybody can't be wrong. Having said Danilo and Salah, you'll almost certainly be tearing your hair out and ditching Danilo vhen Mendy is fit and/or Gvardiola's rotation rears it's ugly yet inewitable head.

  16. the Penman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Good article.

    There's a point though where you have to optimise your value, because you can only have 15 players and only start 11. So you could have lots of high ppg/m players but be out scored by a team that has plenty of them but also some less efficient but higher scoring options?

    Like, if you only had spent 90m on a slick & efficient ppg/m squad, and your final two choices were between a 6.0m striker with 1ppg/m and a 9.0m striker with 0.9ppg/m, you're better off with the 9.0m player because he'll still get you more points overall? (6 points per game compared to 8.1 points per game)

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      That is very true, and it comes down to one of my caveats - it's no good saving the money if you don't spend it. I think my take home message is that it appears to me that you need to be wary of players above 10m. I would rather have a strong midfield, season-long, of four 8-9s then two big-hitters, a mid-price and an enabler.

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        *than

  17. DazF90
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Afternoon all! Almost time!

    Want to try to get Firmino in my team, who would you sacfrifice?

    Foster (Elliot)
    Trippier, Dawson, Ake, Johnson, Mee
    Salah, Alli, Willian, Pogba, Carrol
    Laca, Lukaku, Chicarito

    Thanks!

    1. amitmishr
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Trippier obviously. Willian, may be.
      Like the look of Johnson myself

    2. SlamSam111
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Pogba -> Zaha since you have Lukaku up there.
      No City offense is dangerous imo.

      1. DazF90
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah not sure who to get yet though with Pep always rotating, thanks all, might do:
        Trippier to Holding for now
        Pogba to Zaha or Lanzini
        Chicarito to Firmino

  18. SlamSam111
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    De Gea (Elliot)
    Daniels - Dawson - Yoshida - Bertrand (Mee)
    KDB - Alli - Salah - Ritchie (Carroll)
    Jesus - Lukaku (Quaner)

    How about this? Got Trippier but replaced him due to his injury, go Bertie. Double Saints but good fixtures.

    Your opinion?

  19. Twisted Saltergater
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Love this type of analysis, RedArrows! Thank you.

    If it helps, I've created a spreadsheet which details value based on the starting price this season? I've created two "value" metrics actually;

    Season Value = TotalPoints / Price
    PPM Value = PointsPerMatch / Price.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ob4TaP2fDAhuIuvpYfDdjz0ppVTwOstGLhusUPJo2lw/edit?usp=sharing

    1. Twisted Saltergater
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      arse.. wrong article!

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        ignore me, I was misled by the RMT above ๐Ÿ˜†

    2. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers TC! I'll have a look now, this looks really interesting. Thanks for the kind words.

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        *TS*

        1. Twisted Saltergater
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          ur welcome ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. JustPark
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Wish I could comprehend the article.
    Btw,
    A) Jesus or Aguero?
    B) Fab, Willian or Zaha?

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus and Zaha

      1. JustPark
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers. That's what I thought too. Hope it bodes well with the article. ๐Ÿ˜€

  21. TheNovocastrian
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    If anyone has any thoughts or advice on how to improve this without making drastic changes it’d be appreciated:

    GK: Foster /Fabianski (Rotation pairing)
    DF: Alonso, Bailly, Kolasinac
    MF: De Bruyne, Zaha, Willian, JWP
    FW: Lukaku, Jesus

    Subs: Francis / Suttner (rotation pairing), T Carroll

    Cheers ๐Ÿ™‚

    1. TheNovocastrian
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Oh, and Gabbiadini upfront too, £0.0m left to spend

  22. Jarv97
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hello,
    Currently this is my team below; any suggestions would be appreciated! (Really wouldve liked to fit Rooney in for game week 1)

    Elliot-Foster

    Kolasinac-Van Aanholt-Bertrand-Rangel-Mee

    KDB-Mane-Zaha-Iwobi-Loftus Cheek

    Kane-Lukaku-Calvert Lewin

    Thanks

  23. Andy_Social
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    If i'm reading this article right, the optimum squad should be a 4-5-1 made up something like this:

    Begovic, Elliot
    Kolasinac, Danilo, Yoshida, Stephens, Mee
    De Bruyne, Alli, Salah, Mkhi, Zaha
    Lukaku (c), Abraham, Solanke

    What do you think?

    1. Infamy, Infamy
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Shouldn't it be more of a 5-4-1? Drop Zaha for Carroll and have an extra 2.5m to boost the DEF? Or Mkhi and have 3.5m.

  24. SerenityLater
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Enjoyed the article, thanks Redarrows.

  25. Pochettino Tracksuit
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Good article, but I think there's a key component that needs to be flushed out a bit. You also need to consider the player price. You would multiply the PPMPG times the player's price. So, while Llorente has a better PPGPM than Kane, with Kane at 12.5 and Llorente at 7.0, Kane would be expected to get you 7.875 points per match while Llorente would only get you 4.9 (using last year's performance with this year's prices). Using PPGPM you have to account for the spread in prices. So for forwards you are looking at 4.5 to 12.5 where GKs it is a much smaller spread at 4.0 to 5.5. It's a good measure for picking between similarly or closely priced players (Gk and D), but you have to have bigger differentials in PPGPM to get value up the pitch. So, Heaton at 5.0 gives you 4.2 per match versus Lloris who at 5.5 gives you 4.18; better to upgrade a 4.5 defender to a 5.0 defender with a higher PPGPM to get the higher average return multiplied against a higher value.

  26. Banana Shaqiri - HMD, PUP
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sorry, I only skimmed this article. Did you have a minimum games/minutes played to qualify for comparison?

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah it's 2000 minutes plus.

  27. It’s a Knockaert
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I wrote a very similar article but I don't think it's been accepted as I submitted it a few days ago and still hasn't been put through. I found roughly the same things, though for me, mid-price defenders were as good as premium defenders on ppm

  28. Tacalabala
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    This actually gives me some comfort, I wanted to really have a solidity to my defensive unit this season, and more stability in the midfield relying on tier 2 players:

    DDG, Elliott
    Daniels, Luiz, Cedric, Yoshida, Rosenior
    Alli, KDB, Mkh, Redmond, Carroll
    Kane, Firmino, Mounie

    Have I done enough?

    1. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nice Balance, I have mkhy but he worries me

      1. Birds of Prey
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        How was Mkhi and Pogba? I only saw last 20 mins? Thx

        1. Tacalabala
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Didn't watch but the consensus seems to be Pogba = wasteful, Mkh = promising

      2. Tacalabala
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers, I'm concerned by two things with this:

        - Firmino is not exactly 20 goal a season material, but does he need to be? And if Liverpool burn against Hoffenheim then confidence could take a nose dive.

        - Is Cedric+Yoshida really a great insurance policy, or a bit wasteful? Would like Bertrand, but none of the 4.5 defs are appealing at all.

  29. Bialystrzelec
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any comments? What you guys think?

    Elliot/Foster Millner/Trippier/Cedric/Mee/Dunk
    DeBruyne/Alli/Mane/Phillips/Carroll
    Kane/Chicharito/Gayle

  30. Rust Cohle
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    DDG/Elliot
    Walker/Kolasinac/Dawson/Cedric/Mee
    Eriksen/Mhki/Fabregas/Zaha/Phillips
    Jesus/Firmino/Gabbiadini

    Non-template craziness?