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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How many games will you give Lukaku before switching? Imagine United score relatively few goals for a top 6 side and Lukaku compares badly to Firmino for example. Given the significant price difference how long would you give it?

    1. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Too many variables to give an answer at this point.

    2. el polako
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I've done it tonight, feels refreshing.
      Still may end up with dozen eggs on my face after few game weeks...

    3. Dr. Agabuse
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      i did the switch last week 🙂

    4. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I might give him until now 😉 united has good fixtures so I think he ll score a.few goals

    5. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Have made the mistake before
      Keeper to christmas

    6. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Until a GW4 Wildcard

  2. el polako
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Which Bouremouth defenders is best pick ?
    Money no issue.

    1. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Daniels?

    2. Odikostar
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Daniels

      1. judd96
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Was there not a post on here saying Daniels may get rested, I have selected Ake. If you go if points per minute last season Ake has a lot more and with him signing for Bournemouth for an expensive fee surely too start?

    3. *Reformed-Character*
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I like ake

    4. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Daniels every day

    5. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Francis. Scored against Napoli.

    6. Vman
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Francis/Cook

  3. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    United had the league won half an hour ago 😆

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      City*

  4. Brownie2976
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT please

    foster elliot

    yoshida danilo b davies mee mariappa

    mane zaha phillips ward prowse carroll

    jesus lukaku kane

    any changes?

    1. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      feel like the mid is weaker than it needs to be. play carroll as fourth?

  5. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Why is Lukaku not playing 🙂

  6. Scoopnetwork
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Ryan Fraser or Ward-Prowse ?

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Brady

      1. 32chickens
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Interesting tip
        Will he play regular this time...

    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fraser

    3. Ajax Hamsterdam
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fraser

  7. JimmyB
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Which pair is better
    A) Firmino, Zaha
    B) Benteke, Mane

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  8. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Firmino | Kane | KDB
    B) Jesus | Laca | Mane

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    2. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  9. Siggy in the Middle
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Phillips a good option?

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Plays for WBA, so not really.

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not known for their attacking flair but v nice fixtures. I've got JRod at the mo.

  10. A Team Of James McCleans
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    So cout def going?

    1. Jake.l_8
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Obv not definitely but looks likely

      1. A Team Of James McCleans
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Is it likely enough that youd recommend selling?

        1. Vman
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          This was why I incorporated Mane into my team

  11. Legohair
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pick please!?

    A. J.Rod&Danilo
    Or
    B. Gabbiadini&4.5 def

    1. WALOR
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  12. kuriko
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Which option?
    A) Kompany-Willian-Lukaku
    B) Luiz-Mkhi-Jesus

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  13. Knowledgeable meerkat
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    At least they've kept Ronaldo quiet so far

  14. dan1992
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is there going to be predicted lineups on here like the last few seasons, when will they be out?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      By Thursday hopefully.

    2. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      After press conferences I imagine

  15. Sims
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lukaku is such a flat track bully. So not worth the money utd paid for him

    Great for fPl though

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      To be fair, he cant do much if they dont even see the ball for 5 minutes.

      1. Smoky Johnson
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        wont play real every week

        1. CloudSky
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Exactly.

  16. FDMS All Starz
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Firmino or Mane? Hearing that Firmino should be on pens

    1. Sims
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Where did u hear that?

      Please don't tell me BF. He is as delusional as they come

      1. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Heard it a fair bit too and he's taken their last 2, with Milner on the pitch too

  17. fredfred48
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    ok thoughts

    Bigovic
    Stones, Cahill, Kolasinac
    Zaha, KDB, Willian,Pogba
    Gabbi, Batshuayi, Jesus

    3 Mil in the bank, if Bat dont workout against burnley transfer straight to Lakaku

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Risky

  18. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lingard essential!

    1. George Sillett
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Keep it quiet . Completely under the radar.

  19. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Herrera on free kicks

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not for long

    2. Forza Papac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Evidence would suggest he probably shouldn't be

  20. FPL Maldini
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Let people sell Lukaku in droves

    Works for me 🙂

  21. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bailly for Komps at this rate! Utd all over the shop

  22. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Wimbledon United 😆

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      They are so bad.

  23. timPgoodwin
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Who's minutes does Mario Lemina take at Southampton?

    1. GENERATION X
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      nobodies till he is gradually introduced

      1. timPgoodwin
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hmm, not sure how gradual that will be.... JWP is in my team and I need to ascertain if I will be switching him out in 2/3 weeks because Lemina is/has taken his spot.

        1. GENERATION X
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          same here but im prepared to see what happens. having carroll as a 5th helps

          1. timPgoodwin
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I will keep my eye on Atsu as a possible replacement, may even promote TC to 4th mid and bring in another 4.5m as 5th mid spot.

            1. GENERATION X
              • 12 Years
              8 years, 9 months ago

              yeah a few are advocating it but it defines a certain structure. really only RLC or Challobah I think of note

  24. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric Daniels (Long)
    KDB Salah Wilian Zaha (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku (4.5)

    vs.

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric (Long)
    KDB Wilian Zaha JWP (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku Firmino

    1. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Whose the 5th defender in team 1?

      1. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Sorry 2nd team

  25. El Magico5
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT any changes?

    Foster Myhill
    Kol, Daniels, Cedric, Hun, Mariappa
    KDB, Ali, Salah, Zaha, Carroll
    Abraham, Lukaku, Jesus

  26. Armchair Fan
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Loftus-Cheek or Tom Caroll?

    1. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For me, Carroll.

  27. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lol lukaku

  28. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Foolish by Lukaku

  29. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Just remember Lukaku's goalscoring record vs West Ham and everything will be fine

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Blanked last time

  30. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Does Lukaku have a brain?