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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Sacked in the Morning
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Ok, feel like it's getting closer, any comments welcome.....

    Forster
    Alonso Tripper Dawson
    Alli Salah Fabregas Carroll
    Lukaku Jesus Firmino

    1. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good, Trippier possibly not ready for weekend though.

      1. Sacked in the Morning
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        5.5m placeholders? Seen Danilo not nailed

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Wba are dier. No kane

      1. Sacked in the Morning
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Suggestion for 5m def? Wouldnt wanna double up with Cedric.

    3. adidasOriginals
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      v good! maybe switch Trips

  2. Smoky Johnson
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Crazy stuff people say on this forum:
    "A covers B"
    "Not balanced"

  3. thepeen555
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    All - do not knee jerk on kaku. He is having a day off - stormzy is on the field instead - just had word from his manager, they hoping nobody would notice

  4. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bale has been a bit useless of late

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A bit is an understatement.

  5. Alan Hansen's Emu
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lost..

    Hi everyone,

    My first question of the season. Which do you prefer:

    A) Ritchie + Puncheon

    B) Redmond + Loftus-Cheek

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      a)

      1. Alan Hansen's Emu
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        cheers pal

    2. MrFrodo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  6. The Tinkerman
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Well if was a back 3 before it isn't anymore... annoyed I missed the first half now. Lingard off for Rashford.

    Was it a Darmian, Lindelof, Smalling back 3 with Valencia and Lingard as wing backs? Or just 4 at the back?

    1. The Tinkerman
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      If it was*

    2. Red Rock
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looked 4-3-3 with Valencia and Darmian as Fullbacks

      1. The Tinkerman
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks

  7. Dutchboy
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pick two :

    A) Kolasinac
    B) Bailly
    C) Alderweireld

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A & B

      1. arndff_
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        this

        1. Yellin' in my Ear
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          This

          1. arndff_
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            this

    2. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      C and D

  8. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    DDG save point 😎

  9. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bottomed last page but based on helpful comments to earlier posts now settled on this squad? Does it look OK? TAA a risk but not may 4.5 defenders have good game week 1 and 2 fixtures. And Danilo to Spurs defender in couple of weeks probably

    Foster
    TAA Stephens Danilo Kolasinac
    Mane Zaha JWP
    Lukaku (c) Kane Jesus

    Elliot Carroll Atsu Suttner

  10. PnutButterWolf
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lukaku and Walcott (Wally being temporary)

    or

    Pogba and Jesus?

  11. bojack
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Number of kneejerk removals based on tonight: 1000s

    Lukaku scoring a GW brace: priceless

  12. timPgoodwin
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Batshuayi anyone?!

    1. DV8R
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Too risky

    2. thepeen555
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Only st least for first couple games

    3. PnutButterWolf
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He was in my team, could be worth a punt early doors. Seems to score when given the chance to play. Will likely give way to Morata at some point though

  13. DV8R
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any news on Trippier?

  14. theroadrunner
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    2 drafts please rate them:

    Forster/elliot
    valencia/alonso/kolasinac/bertrand/suttner
    eriksen/de bruyne/phillips/mkhitaryan/caroll
    jesus/quaner/firmino

    degea/elliot
    luiz/kolasinac/yoshida/suttner/daniels
    eriksen/de bryune/atsu/caroll/rlc
    jesus/firmino/lukaku

    1. theroadrunner
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      i know RMT's suck but i'm really onto something here.

    2. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      ok, i like b most. but there are few things to do imo:
      - your defence is good except luiz because chelsea got a tough start;
      - downgrade firmino and upgrade rlc, for example:
      firmino to mounie and rlc to zaha

      1. theroadrunner
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        thanks mate but firmino for me is essential as hes the only pool cover i have and may be on pens if milner is dropped. i'm just scared about dropping lukaku.

  15. adidasOriginals
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Not currently signed up for membership..Am I right to think that Southampton and Man U have the best opening fixtures?

    1. ViperStripes
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sign up then, cheap as chips

  16. WE ARE RANGERS
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Scoutcast tonight? What time?

    1. Knowledgeable meerkat
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      9:30 I believe

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      When United lose.

      *probably win now

  17. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogba does the splits

    Essential

  18. Knowledgeable meerkat
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogba really does have a lot still to work on doesn't he

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He has been shocking tonight

  19. FDMS All Starz
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Darmian looks good at crossing, maybe he will play as Lukaku needs crosses

  20. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Why has everyone but Andy been photoshopped in this photo?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/FFScout/status/894891123327381504/photo/1

    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lol

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Poor Andy.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He wore the same outfit in stream #22.

    3. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not a member of FFS anymore, going with WGTA now.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Reply fail?

  21. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sorry, got bottomed out here:

    Just got some time for this, so it's a first draft team:

    Foster / Elliot
    Kolasinac / Cedric / Alonso / Walker-Pieters / Rangel
    Willian / KDB / Alli / Mkhitaryan / Carroll
    Jesus / Firmino / Chicharito

    Any ideas? Not so sold on this yet personally.

    1. adidasOriginals
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Will Walkers P get a run?
      Mkhit - rotation risk
      Chico - WHU bad run of opening fixtures

      I'd change at least 2 of the above 3

      1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers! So just thinking of using him for a couple of weeks while Trippier is out.

        Mkhi - definitely but thought he might start the first few atleast.

        Chicha - Agreed - any suggestions?

        Not sure if Alonso is worth the giant amount as well tbh.

        1. adidasOriginals
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Saints have a good set of fixtures so any of them take your fancy?

          1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Austin would - but him and Gabbiadini would probably get rotated.

  22. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    It still feels like Mourinho doesn't have a clue what his best 11 is

  23. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Fellaini-wagonnnnn

    Jose doesn't want ET.

  24. ADucksBehind
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Lukaku + Puncheon

    B) Benteke + Mkhitarian

  25. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Isco goal 2-0

  26. Rigid Digit
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Snap decision:
    Mee to Trent Alexander-Arnold (as 4.5 back-up defender)

    Good move?
    (at least I now have some Liverpool representation in the team - still no Chelsea though)

    1. Sir Edo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No, long term players to prefer! Mee is a better pick..

      1. Sir Edo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        ..but for just for a few gwks Arnold is better!

  27. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Wow so easy 2-0 Madrid

    Isco

  28. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    MAGIC!!!

  29. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Isco

    What a player

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      WOW

  30. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Iscoooooo