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FFS head-to-head leagues: 2019-2020

Head to Head Leagues

Further to my article earlier this year, I will be working with Geoff (FFS Community Manager) to create a Head to Head League system for the upcoming season, with promotion and relegation for the following seasons. We’ve had some positive feedback from the initial article and, using some of the community’s ideas, we have settled on the structure below.

Structure

Each league will have 20 teams and will therefore play each other twice across the 38 gameweek season, replicating the real Premier League structure.

Division 1 – 1 League – 20 teams. Bottom 10 teams relegated into Division 2.

Division 2 – 2 Leagues – 20 teams in each. Top 5 of each league will be promoted to Division 1. Bottom 10 of each league will be relegated to the Division 3 leagues.

Division 3 – 4 leagues – 20 teams in each. Top 5 of each league will be promoted to Division 2. Bottom 10 of each league will be relegated to the Division 4 leagues.

Division 4 – 8 leagues – 20 teams in each. Top 5 of each league will be promoted to Division 3. Bottom 10 of each league will be relegated to the Division 5 leagues.

Division 5 – 16 leagues – 20 teams in each. Top 5 of each league will be promoted to Division 4. Bottom 10 of each league will be relegated to the Division 6 Leagues (if necessary).

This will be the main structure, with each division doubling in size.

Other details

Number of entries

Depending on the number on entries, further Divisions and Leagues will be created using the same structure as above. With the Divisions doubling in size large numbers of managers can be included, depending on sign ups. There is no cap on the total number of managers who can enter, but entry will be closed at the start of GW1.

The bottom Division and Leagues will likely not all be filled, because we are not capping the number of people who can enter. Depending on numbers, the number of Leagues in the lowest Division or the number of GWs in those leagues may be altered.

Promotion and relegation

The bottom Division will of course only have promotion, and the top will only have relegation.

If a manager decides not to play in a subsequent season, their vacated spot will go through normal promotion, relegation, or will stay in the division before being filled from below.

If, for example, someone in Division 1 League 1 who was set to stay in D1L1 isn’t playing the second season, we will look to D2L1 and D2L2 for someone to move up. In a situation where the top 5 from both those leagues already moved up we will look at the next best placed managers, the 6th placed managers. We will randomize the selection and one of those managers will move up to fill the spot.

Initial team placement

We will use the end of 2018/2019 season Hall of Fame (HOF) ranking to place teams; so if you are keen to enter this completion it would be helpful for you to enter the 2018/2019 FFS Classic League before the GW38 deadline. The league code is 6025-1936 and can be found on the website. You could also/instead join the FFS Members league to join the HOF.

So, the managers with the top 20 HOF rankings who sign up will go into Division 1 League 1. The 21st ranked manager will go into Division 2 League 1, the 22nd into Division 2 League 2, and so on.

It’s worth noting that all the Leagues in a Division are weighted the same: so, if you are in Division 3 League 1 you are at the same level as someone in Division 3 League 4.

Additionally, any new entries in the following seasons (2020-2021 and onwards) will start in the bottom division, regardless of their HOF rank. HOF is only used for the initial placement.

Entry requirements

When FPL opens for the 2019-2020 season a league code will be created on FPL called ‘FFS Head-To-Head League’, which will act as the entry form. We will then take those entries and associate HOF rankings with them, to start putting people into Divisions and Leagues.

Right now, entry will close with the start of GW1. Divisions and Leagues will then be finalized and an article will go out before GW2 telling everyone where they have been placed and showing their H2H schedule.

We will update you further with more details as they become available.

Final points

So far there has been strong interest from site regulars, Moderators and Contributors, and well known players which suggests that the leagues will be highly competitive. Community Manager, Geoff, is working on a plan for weekly updates, articles and Hot Topics, and on site features to help keep people up to date on their progress in the leagues.

Feel free to leave your comments or questions below!

Twitter: @sparkymir

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  1. Geoff
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    I'm really looking forward to getting this started!

    Feel free to leave comments or questions below 🙂

    1. Fitzy.
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      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Guess I better go get the rest of the gang for you then? 😉

      1. Geoff
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        I guess 😀

    2. Fitzy.
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      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      And do me a favour and get rid of that new article post I just accidentally put up!

      1. Rotation's Alter Ego
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        • 12 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Done 🙂

        1. Fitzy.
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          • 12 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Not the first time you've helped me out... 😉

          1. SPorting
            • 12 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Get a room!

    3. Swanmoretime
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      • 9 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Sounds good

    4. KIRA
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Hi , it's a wonderful idea , I`ve been running my friends H2H league through the past season , weekly stats and comparisons, alerts, etc... and every thing , j would really like to help u if I can .

      1. Geoff
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        Nice one! Yeah, when we get closer I'm going to plan a bit more about how we'll cover it. Certainly Mir will do a bunch of that, but I'm sure there will be space for more articles and analysis!

    5. The Boot
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      • 13 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Last year I decided to run a sort of knock out competition for myself without any of the competitors knowing. I took the top fifty fantasy players from each premiership club.These 20 clubs were grouped into four regional divisions. Lancastershire Hotpots, Southern Softies, London Burnings and Numnuts. The Hotpots consisted of Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Everton and Burnley. I did something similar with Countries. As it happened Liverpool proved to win the club competition and Egypt won the country competition.
      What I found interesting was how interesting the competition between clubs was. As your competition is in the embryonic stage would it be possible to have the top division to have a representatives from each premiership team and then have twenty feeder teams all from the same club.
      It might sound complicated but I had an excel spreadsheet and some vba behind it that only took a couple of seconds to run as long as players belonged to a league.

      1. Geoff
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        • 11 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        It would work, but the problem would be sign ups. We'll have way more people signing up who are United fans than Watford fans, for example.

        1. The Boot
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          • 13 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          You would need at least 21 players for each premiership team. One for the top division and 20 for each feeder division. Below that it doesn't really matter what team is supported. It will make it much harder to get into a feeder division if you are a Man Utd supporter. My problem is that my heart belongs to Coventry City. It would be good to have non EPL teams involved.

          1. Geoff
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            4 years, 11 months ago

            That's the reason we won't be going that way, really. I don't want it to be easier or harder to move up because of the team you support

    6. FFSbet.com
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      This is interesting,how do we sign up?

      Think all should start from lowest division,no matter HOF ranking.
      So in few seasons there will be div.1 but they need to get there.

      played similar game like this
      div.1 = 20 teams 8 relegated
      div.2 = 4 groups of 20 teams(top 2 from each get promoted and bottom 8 relegated)
      div.3 = 16 group of 20 teams(top 2 from each get promoted and bottom 8 relegated)
      div.4 = 64 etc...

      But all started div.6

      1. Geoff
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        Sign up info is in the article 🙂

        There are obviously lots of ways to set things up, but we've gone the HOF route for a few reasons, including among other things rewarding good past performances and making the top Division or two filled with names that lots of people on site know.

        I don't think moving up through the divisions will be too difficult!

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          So if not part of Hall of foam then you cant play?

          Euugh...

          1. Geoff
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            4 years, 11 months ago

            It's easy enough to get into the HOF 😉

            1. Christina.
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              I know, just have never attached much value to a log where grown men pee foam and talk about who has the longest/highest rank.

              Each to their own I guess and it makes sense to base the div's on some rank order.

              1. Geoff
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                4 years, 11 months ago

                You can enter and then leave after the sorting is done if you want - it's really only a first step for placement

    7. FPL Bielsa
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      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Great idea, The Dogs will be entering !

    8. Microphone
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      • 5 Years
      4 years, 7 months ago

      Geoff,
      Did I miss if the leagues are set up yet? If you wouldn't mind advising where to find on the site, I would appreciate. Thank you.

  2. BC1
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    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Cool, looking forward to it!

  3. SPorting
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    This are the old Long and Winding Road leagues again, right?

    1. Now I'm Panicking
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      But with 90% lurkers

      1. Gnu
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        • 14 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Try nearer 99% .
        Bit like the public league on FPL then?
        After having such a stinker of a season I'd end up in conference leagues with the likes of Shipstontrev & Optimus 😉

  4. Midlands Saint73
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    H2H is one of my favourite elements of the draft league so looking forwards to this.

  5. TorresMagic™
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    Great idea, don't envy the logistics. Would want leagues sorted well in advance.
    Might be lucky to get into Division 1 depending on demand.

  6. Ragabolly
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Great idea! Will the leagues be actual FPL leagues with league codes etc or virtual ones?

    1. Geoff
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      Probably going to be something that we have a new area on site for. It would be a massive amount of work to get the league codes out and sorted. Still working on how it'll look on site though!

      1. Baps hunter
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        Would it actually? Getting league codes out and mailing them shouldn't be difficult, just copy pasting (from MS Excel) and sending as bcc to 20 recipients is not that difficult or time consuming. Even if you used one minute per e-mail, it would still mean 1200 players in one hour.

        Afterwards there might be some problems though (if somebody would leak the code for example).

      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        • 14 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        You are gonna need yet bigger servers!!! 😆

  7. ploskon23
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    • 5 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Sooner or later it had to go this way - great move! I'm looking forward to work hard to deserve playing in same division as Mark 😉

  8. Baps hunter
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    • 6 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Rising from league 5 or 6 is far too difficult imo. If you have just one bad season it might take many years to rise even for a good new player. If the seasons were divided to autumn and spring, at least in lower leagues (3-4), it would give more action and at least possibility to play in higher divisions sooner.

    Now it would be possible to be, let us say in top 1k, three times in a row and still not be in 1st division. Imo that is not rewarding enough in lower leagues.

    1. Geoff
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      It all depends on how many entries we get, and hopefully the doubling in Division size keeps it close. We played with having 5 leagues per division, but that really becomes problematic with lots of entries.

      I think one of the things that has to be considered is there will likely be lots of managers who drop out or choose not to play for the second season. So the further down you are, the most promotions there will actually be in your division

      1. Baps hunter
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        Sorry, I didn't express my idea clearly and there are wrong league numbers above.

        There is no risk to be relegated from league six. Yet it is not fun for anyone to be there. So if there was promotion and relegation between leagues 5 and six twice a year (after 19 and 38 matches) it would have benefits needed there.

        It would make climbing from the bottom to league 4 possible in one year. Yet it would be fair for all and not affect "more professional leagues". Season is long and fighting for promotion or against relegation is also always exciting. A bit more work, but that will be automated anyway.

      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        This will certainly happen, I can promise. There will also be the problem of dead teams.

  9. Gnu
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    Am I right in saying that entry form is on the official FPL page?

    1. Geoff
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      There won't be an entry form, it'll just be entry into the mini-league we'll create

      1. Gnu
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        Ok, cheers.

  10. MCH
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Part of a league like this on an Irish forum (lots of other ffs members are part of it too). In that one theres 4 league and even in that there's a load of work that gets done to keep it going so dont envy those involved in this!

    1. Geoff
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah, hopefully most of it can be automated 🙂

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      No, indeed. I can telly, from bitter experience, that it is an absolute nightmare!!! 😀 😀 😀

      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        4 years, 11 months ago

        *tell you

  11. Baps hunter
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    "We will randomize the selection and one of those managers will move up to fill the spot."

    Why randomize? It would be easier and more fair to use OR imo.

  12. child of God
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    Great idea this. But why not place initial teams using this seasons rankings and give a fair chance to every manager instead of rewarding past success, they already have a platform in the Hof

    1. TorresMagic™
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      4 years, 11 months ago

      People like me would never get a go. 😛

      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Your point?

    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 14 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Rewards one season wonders too much.

      1. tricky80
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Agreed. It will be the best against the best instead of one- season wonders.

  13. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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    4 years, 11 months ago

    So. Finally. I had hoped to keep LAWR going, until this moment, but it was not to be. 🙂

  14. Ginkapo FPL
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Good luck guys, you have no idea how pain you have in store getting this up and running. 🙂

    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      *how much

    2. Baps hunter
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      • 6 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Well, there has been ffs cup, so no problem imo 🙂

  15. Skid Vicious
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    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Awesome idea! I'll be somewhere in the mix for sure.

  16. FPL Pillars
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Count me in!

    Thanks for organising, great idea.

  17. Jay_
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Good stuff. Have been in these style leagues for about 5 years now in a FB group and can honestly say it's one of my favourite things to check each week.

    • tricky80
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Sounds amazing. Was planning on a fallow season but may instead be in the game, just much less intensely.

    • Messiah Hazard
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      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      This was much awaited... Cant wait for this one.

    • NotsoSpursy
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      I get if Utd remain 6th they do not the CL place as the 6th spot will go to the Austrian team. (5 max from prem).

      If Utd leapfrog Arsenal (Utd 5th, Arsenal 6th) would Utd qualify??

      1. RichieW
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        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        As far as I know they cant qualify either way, regardless of who wins Europa & CL or regardless of 5th or 6th.

    • RichieW
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      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      I've been a user of FFS for 2 seasons now but only recently start playing for money in private leagues so have gotten more interest.
      Can I join if this H2H if I become a member from next season(not much point in paying now).

    • boc610
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      local kick off time for the Europa league final in Baku is 11 pm

      thats a long time in the boozer for the Headhunters.

    • karvel
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      • 11 Years
      4 years, 9 months ago

      I couldn't join the league with code 6025-1936? The website then said "max_length"...

    • Jonee
      • 4 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      How do I join h2h leagues? Please cheers, Jonee ✓

    • Cenako
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      • 7 Years
      4 years, 8 months ago

      Will the H2H Leagues start on GW2 as planned?