Community Submissions

Which Midfielder Makes Way For Baines?

It’s a dilemma facing many of us who have stacked ourselves up with a template front seven and now sit with no extra funds and lots of increased value in players that we don’t want to waste. What follows is an attempt to point you in the most obvious direction, statistically speaking – from someone looking to generate money from midfield – to draft in Leighton Baines, who has the form and fixtures to prosper over the next two months.

The template midfield clearly comprises  the quartet of Raheem Sterling, Cesc Fabregas, Angel Di Maria, Gylfi Sigurdsson plus bench fodder. Between them they have seen price increases of 2.4 and are currently all in the top five highest scoring midfielders. Sigurdsson is not really a ditching candidate, however, since that wouldn’t really free up enough funds, so of the other three, which to ditch?

I’m going to concentrate on regression. Which of these players is currently performing abnormally high and is, in all likelihood, going to face a slow down in returns? I’m going to mainly focus on assists, which is typically the bread and butter of our midfielders.

Historic Conversion Rates

                        Team Conversion rates (% of team shots resulting in goals)

                        Min     Max     Ave

2011/12           7          13.8     9.7

2012/13           6          15.3     10.0

2013/14           6          15.5     10.0

2014/15           3.9       19.4     11.3

                        MID assist rates* (% of chances created by individual midfielders resulting in goals)

                        Min    Max    Ave

2011/12           0         24.4   9.9

2012/13           0         16.9   8.4

2013/14           2.3      19.4   8.7

2014/15           0         33.3   13.1

* For players with >40 chances created (except for 2014/15 where I’ve used >10)

You can see that the numbers for the previous seasons are fairly consistent, particularly in the team conversion rates. In the current season, however, there are big outliers in both sections (shown in bold above) and they are both associated to the same man:

2014/15’s Template Midfielders

                   Team conversion         Individual assist rate

Fabregas          19.4                             33.33

Di Maria           14.8                             18.75

Sterling              8.9                               11.11

From looking at the above it seems clear to me that Fabregas is doing considerably better than we’d expect him to based on the historic rates we’ve seen in the league. Of course it’s possible that he creates chances so good that they are more easy to convert than everyone else’s, but I feel confident in saying that it’s nowhere near to the extent the numbers are showing and by season’s close the goal conversion rates of Chelsea, and Fabregas’ own assist rate, will be much closer to the long-term averages than they currently are.

I also looked at their individual shot conversion rates. Sterling and Di Maria are currently above average on 15 and 21 respectively whereas Fabregas is sitting on zero. However, Fabregas has only taken nine shots so is only one goal behind expectations based on past data, whereas he’s four or five assists ahead. Sterling is roughly on a par with what you’d expect of an elite goal-scoring midfielder (and actually his conversion rate this year is worse than his own last year) and Di Maria is about a goal ahead of where you’d expect him to be.

All of this points me to the fact that my fellow Fabregas owners and I have been very lucky to garner our seven assists so far (two or three would be expected based on previous seasons) and he is perhaps the man we should look to quit on while we are ahead, in order to get our funds for Baines. It’s also a happy coincidence that Chelsea’s fixtures take a slight turn for the worse, with both Man United and Liverpool away in the next four (where we can probably expect some trademark bus parking). Add in the fact that most of us have Diego Costa as well, meaning we’d still retain Chelsea coverage, whereas ditching one of the other two probably means losing attacking coverage in their respective teams.

My mind is made up, if – and it’s still a big if – I decide to get in Baines, then Cesc is the man to go for me.

93 Comments Post a Comment
  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I think that makes a lot of sense. Nervous times though for any Cesc ditchers.

  2. BeachBadger
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Interesting post alright. Was it you who spoke of these figures first on Transfer Hub that enlightened me to Cesc's unsustainable assist rate? He also has almost 0 goal threat, which you would argue is a key reason to have Sterling.

    I actually have enought funds in the bank to ditch Siggy for Baines. Not that I would ever do it, but Im curious as to the outlie there.

    Or maybe we have it wrong. Maybe Cesc just is that good 😆

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yep, that was me 🙂

      1. BeachBadger
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Nice one mate. Very tempted alright now. Wonder if I have the guts for it. If Ramires was out for a long period I would definitely do it, but if Cesc gets pushed up. He could be a beast.

    2. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      oh, and Siggy is also running at an unsustainable assist rate as well, 31.8. However given he's not a premium midfielder I don't think a regression in his performance is an issue at all since he'd still be excellent value.

      1. BeachBadger
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Thought so alright. But yeah at that price he can afford to slump a bit. What do you make of Chadli? Havent seen much of Tottenham play. Has he any assist potential? Is he this years Ramsey?

        1. r0binh0
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          I am not the one to ask about Spurs players. Not a big fan of the club so I struggle to judge them objectively. He does seem to be a nailed on front 3 player for a top 7 club though, so it's hard to argue with the price.

          1. BeachBadger
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Good point. I've looked at Hendo and he doesnt seem that appealing. Maybe Downing. Who are you thinking of shipping Fab for?

  3. Ludo
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    A nice couple of Baines articles. Cesc > Chadli for GW9 is the only move I'm considering, to upgrade a 4.5 and get him in - I can't justify parting with any of my other midfielders or forwards. That said, I might just take the safe road and keep Cesc - by remaining cheap at the back, I could swap him out for Walcott or Hazard instead. Unlike Chadli, there are great alternatives in the same price range, in case of loss of injury or form.

  4. Cars and Mané
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I made this point on cesc a little while ago and it was dismissed as being too stats focused. Glad someone agrees!

  5. Christina.
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Nice article Robinho.

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      cheers

  6. Nabs Kebabs
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    excellent read, nice one mate

  7. Billy Ketsu
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Very nice article. Cesc > Wally when he's ready to start a game and squeeze out the Baines money from there, maybe. Food for thought, thanks.

    1. BeachBadger
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Walcott is 9m though. Still gonna be a tight squeeze lol

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Not if you have 4.6m in the kitty...

        ..and a plan to fit Baines/Kun/Walcott in, without dropping Siggy/ADM/Sterling.

        Oh, and have 1m left over.

        😉

        1. BeachBadger
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          😯 Def no Aguero in that team 😆

          1. Christina.
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Nah, believe me it's easy. More than one way of doing it.

            Baines/Berty
            ADM/Siggy/Sterling/Chadli
            Welbz/Costa/Kun

            1.9m ITB

            And my TV is only 103.3m

            1. Doolittle
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              Where are you fitting Walcott in without dropping ADM/Sterling/Siggy?

              1. Christina.
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 6 months ago

                Dropping Cesc.

                1. Christina.
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 6 months ago

                  I have two ways of getting Kun. One involves Chadli, other involves Walcott.

                  In both cases Cesc gets dropped.

                  1. Doolittle
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 6 months ago

                    Both with Baines as well?! What's your TV?

                    1. Christina.
                      • 14 Years
                      9 years, 6 months ago

                      Yeah. 103.3m. It's easy.

                      I don't own Sanchez/Moreno/a second 4.5m keeper though

                      Nice rank BTW.

            2. BeachBadger
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              Hmm this is my was of going about things too. Didnt think I'd be able to afford Walcott down the line. Though I have CLyne, Chambers and FOrster so maybe that little bit of TV is what made me think it was impossible. Food for thought. Cheers Christina.

              1. Christina.
                • 14 Years
                9 years, 6 months ago

                I can't wait to shakes things up a bit...

                1. BeachBadger
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 6 months ago

                  Me and all. Im nearly hoping for an international injury to have everyone scrambling. Costa out til xmas or something. Dont want to wish an injury on anyone but it would be better for the game.

      2. Billy Ketsu
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Very, very tight. Just had a tinker and can do it with 4 transfers and 0.1 wiggle room:

        Heaton McCarthy
        Baines, Bertrand, Hutton, Duff, Moore
        ADM, Sterling, Siggy, Wally, Boyd
        Costa Welbeck Aguero

        1. Christina.
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Nice. You going for both Wally & Welbz I see.

          1. Billy Ketsu
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            At the moment that's the plan. I think he'll do well at Arsenal, the way they play should suit him. There are so many value strikers this year though, it's really tempting to keep that slot open and rotate depending on form and fixtures. I usually like to have a slot free - in the past it's been the 4th. midfielder - to rotate in but maybe this season it could be the third striker place.
            Of course if Aguero or Costa get injured then it will all change again. A week's a long time in this game!

            1. David Slade
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              When Aguero gets injured 🙂

        2. BeachBadger
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Nice. I will waiton Wally. Maybe have to downgrade my defence later to fit him in.

  8. Doolittle
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Excellent article, and very interesting as a Fab owner. I have enough ITB to get Baines, but the big question is which big hitter to get - Baines or Aguero.

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      That is what it really boils down to.

      You can only have Baines AND Kun if you settle for Welbz as your Arsenal "cover".

      To risky dropping Siggy/ADM/Sterling me thinks.

      1. Christina.
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        ...Sorry, ignore me. There is a way around it.

        It involves Chadli.

    2. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I already have Aguero so I really am stuck for funds and I'm probably only considering ditching Cesc precisely because I'm looking at getting both Baines and Aguero. If I was only targeting one then I think I'd stay on the Cesc wagon for a little while yet, at least until Hazard starts producing more consistently.

    3. David Slade
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      For me it is looking at Baines + Pelle + Welbeck vs Welbeck + Aguero+ cheap defender. Still leaning towards the first combo unless Aguero really hits fire.

      Thanks for your thoughts Rob, great article.

      1. Fitzy.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        You better just do whatever Triggerlips does mate, don't change what's worked for you up until now. 😉

        1. David Slade
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          If you knew me you would know I email Nick about my thoughts and get his advise. But people who don't know the whole story just jump on the whole "copy" thing. Don't get me wrong things Nick says about defence rotation and building TV I absolutely listen to and follow his lead. Maybe you should have a read over his previous articles before making snide comments whoever you are 😉

          1. Fitzy.
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Yeah mate, Trigger seemed real impressed with people copying his every move. You did a bit more than follow his lead 'about defence rotation and building TV' - you made every single transfer he made at the same time he did including coming up the same 15 players on your WC. Even got Lescott in the same week he said he was going to... 😆

            1. David Slade
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              Yeah well I give up. Sorry if getting people like ADM, Sterling, Moore and Moreno are good next time I will get the rubbish players in. Anyway I have spoken with Nick about it. Not going to make any personal attacks on you because I know forums aren't meant for that. Guess I should have followed others rolls and just completely hidden everything about me so I couldn't have been identified. At least I am one of the few who can come out and be honest about it.

              1. Fitzy.
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 6 months ago

                The day that Nick complained about the copy cats with identical teams you removed yours from the 'Transfer Hub' league - seems like you were hoping to not draw attention to your tactics to me, hardly 'coming out and being honest about it' at all. You should just give Nick your log-in details next time you email him and get him to do your transfers for you, lot easier that way...

                1. Christina.
                  • 14 Years
                  9 years, 6 months ago

                  I think I'm going to vomit.

                  One can only laugh so much....

                  lol

    4. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      You can't really compare those 2 players
      Both are elite in their position but a fit aguero is worth more as he's a better/safer captain choice earning double each time.

  9. Dax85
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    My biggest issue is not who to get rid of to accommodate Baines but rather which mid to get in. Is Tadic worth the hype?

    1. A.T
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Not IMO.

  10. A.T
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Great article. Personally I don't think dropping any if those mids is worth it to get Baines. There has to be another way.

    1. Kazza_
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      hi AT - any chance you can pass my message above on scout cast to the boss please?

      1. Kazza_
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        woops not above but on main page

    2. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      You may well be right. At least I feel I solved (for me) the conundrum of which to ditch if indeed I go down that route. Everton's poor defence may end up rendering all of the above completely irrelevant.

  11. SpaceCadet
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Bench chadli or downing this gw?

    1. dinamika
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      chadli

  12. Snibal
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Kun+Welbeck in for Balo+Ulloa for -4, yay or nay?

    1. Christina.
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Wrong thread...

  13. Bigo1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Sometimes it is better to watch games than look at stats. Fab is amazing on the ball, and I would not be surprised if he consistently beat the Expected Assists stat over the season.
    Siggy on the other hand has been quite lucky

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      He certainly is excellent but there is a reason that numbers tend over time towards a certain ratio. He has never sustained his current ratio over a full season, even when playing with better strikers in leagues which lack the depth in quality of the premier league. It is therefore highly unlikely that he can maintain that ratio over the long term. That's not to say he's still not a great pick, or that he won't continue on the same run for a little while, but in all probability he will tail off more than the other big hitting mids.

  14. Kazza_
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    great post mate

    have to agree its fab esp if he playing deep

    plus chelsea starting to tightening up

  15. kingmig84
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Interesting read. Exactly my dilemma and this is what I've come up with. Ay pointers please:

    Pre WC team:

    DDG/Gilks
    Clyne/Bardsley/Duff/Chambers/Williams
    Siggy/ADM/Sterling/Gerrard/El Ahmadi
    Costa/Aguero/Ulloa

    Post:

    FORSTER/Gilks
    Clyne/Bardsley/Duff/Chambers/BAINES
    Siggy/ADM/Sterling/CHADLI/BOYD
    Costa/Aguero/WELBECK

    Worth it?!

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Your team doesn't seem nearly broken enough to waste a WC.

    2. Lazarus Star
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Prefer your pre-wc team. Just find a better 5th mid and maybe you don't need Gerrard and Sterling.

    3. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      No need to WC

      Gerard to silva
      Ulloa to berahino
      Elmo to downing

  16. turboLuck
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Nice article, got me tinkering to this:

    Fab + Vlaar + Wisdom >> Boyd + Baines + Kompany
    OR
    Fab + Duff + Wisdom >> Boyd + Baines + Azpilicueta

    Which would you do?

  17. AidanOS
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    To get rid of Colocinni in defense I'm thinking of going Pelle>Welbeck and then buying Reid for 5.0. West Ham's only proper fixture in the next 9 Gameweeks is Everton in GW10. Solid move?

    Here is my team:

    Szczesny

    Kompany - Colo - Ivanovic

    ADM - Siggy-Sterling - Fab - Chadli

    Costa - Pelle

    All substitutes are just fillers.

  18. Lazarus Star
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    My obvious move to Baines is a straight swap for Ivan...but is it worth it?

    Current team:

    Forster (Heaton)
    Ivan, Clyne, PVA, Duff, Hutton
    Fab, Sterling, Siggy, Tadic, Hendo
    Kun, Costa, Ulloa

    I think getting ADM is next move.

  19. Hyperion
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Interesting article. I would still expect Cesc to be well above the average assists converted rate over the season; he's just that good (and Costa is also a great finisher). The lack of goal threat compared to other options is an issue though of course. He might well be the dullard emblem this year in the way that Yaya was last year (his stats did not suggest he could sustain his returns but somehow he did).

  20. Mr. Perfectionist
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Superb article mate. Was thinking of ditching Sterling and bringing in Chadli to free up funds. This article definitely making me reconsider.

    1. Sir_Durs8
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      my wildcard team is now

      Forster/Myhill
      Ivan Baines Chambers Hutton Moore
      ADM Sterling Siggy Chadli Taylor/Fletcher
      Aguero Costa Welbeck

      had to drop fab and clyne as part of this. with their upcoming fixtures is this a wise move
      to get this team. looking for some feedback before i press the wildcard button
      thanks in advance

      1. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Nice team. All the heavy hitters are there but at least you can trade out any non performers to silva/hazard etc

  21. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Bit useless to me as I never expected Cesc to do so well and consequently don't own him but, nevertheless, top article!

  22. Jebiga
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    So Fabregas keepers will be differentials than ? 🙂

  23. BeachBadger
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Wow. Made the Scout tweets I see. Well done mate! 😆

  24. Rex Lapis
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    great article.. but if you have Hazard, do you still ditch him for Chadli to get Baines in?

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      No because he's actually slightly underproducing for what you'd expect based on his underlying numbers (and yet is only just behind Fab). If I do decide to get Baines my plan is probably Fab to Chadli and then ADM to Hazard for the QPR match in GW10.

      1. The Blackadder
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        My move was (and probably still is) Fab, Pelle & Rafael > Hazard, Baines & Berahinho, was unsure but having read the article, I think I'll go ahead and click for -4.

  25. Winston.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Great article, thanks... I have a feeling that Fabregas will do well over the whole of this season, he's the man in their team and a great player as well, and on set pieces. If you look at his previous statistics, it's no wonder he keeps on going... Okey, currently above averages but anyway a great pick in the future as well. Of course depending if stays fit etc. I am not sure at all about dropping him... but let's see... Other alternatives in the same price range as well.

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yep. No doubt he's a class act. His assist rate will definitely drop back to more normal levels as the season goes on, but of course his overall chances created numbers may increase to offset that. It's no doubt a tough decision but I can make a better argument to drop him than my other two big mids. Plus as I mention above it gives me a route to Hazard which I think could pay off handsomely.

  26. ktk_interista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I think you are all overlooking something important which is assists from set pieces. Arsenal are barca are terrible in that aspect. At chelsea, he takes them and he has ivano, terry, cahill, matic, costa to take advantage of his delivery. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8-10 more assists than his usual average.

    1. Solenya
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      You do have a point there. Not sure about the number but should definitely be better than at Arsenal/Barca

    2. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      That's all taken account of in the stats which don't need to separate out different types of chances created. It's comparing historic overall rates (which include rates for chelsea corner takers in the past) and showing that the rate of conversion of Cesc's chances created is highly likely to decrease regardless of who is getting on the end of his corners.

      1. r0binh0
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Which is not the same as saying Cesc's assist potential might be higher at Chelsea than it was at Arsenal which is effectively your point. That may or may not be true (his corner assists may be more than offset by the fact that at Chelsea he is typically playing deeper than he did at Arsenal or Barca and for a less attacking manager). That's a separate discussion though. I'm just looking at his current chances created and assessing if a fall in number of assists is likely, assuming he keeps creating chances at the same rate.

  27. PogChamp
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Nice. I actually went the other way and downgraded my strikers to free up money for Baines and Apzil.

    Costa, Pelle and then any of Sakho/Ulloa/Berahino/Naismith.

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Rightly or wrongly but I'm hell bent on having both Costa and Aguero, hence the need for a midfield downgrade.

  28. Diva
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Fabregas' current FPL points production looks to me to be within his normal range.

  29. Screaming Midget
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    "If I do decide to get Baines my plan is probably Fab to Chadli and then ADM to Hazard for the QPR match in GW10"

    With ADM facing from GW11: CRY arsenal HUL STK

    Brave move.

    1. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      ADM would be back in for HUL STK but I'd have Hazard for QPR liv WBA whilst ADM has mci CPL ars.

      1. Screaming Midget
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        That's still a lot of money being thrown about though and any profit you've made, lost.

  30. Costa Nostra
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I always find it interesting that at first a couple people mention they're picking up someone like Baines, then a few more mention he's essential, next thing you know the whole site wants him and people are figuring out ways to get him by dropping players they'd never consider dropping just a week ago. It's like a mad dash to get a player before the next guy and people will drop anyone just so they can say they have them!

    I'm not saying dropping a high end mid for Baines is a bad idea, just that I find it amusing how these things spread like wild fire.

    1. KujaliaFC
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Come to think of it, I want Baines too.

      1. Costa Nostra
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Well now that you do, I'm considering him too. Do you think dropping Costa is the way to go ?

    2. r0binh0
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      The first thing I did when I logged in to fpl for the start of this season was write into the notes section GW8 - get Baines! It's a blatantly obvious trade to look at and has been from the start of the season. That's why everyone is discussing it this week.

      1. Costa Nostra
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        I totally get it. I just have a hard time telling everyone, who are supposed to be my competition, my every move and when I'm doing it. That's just me though .... I also suck at this so there you go. Lol!

    3. Screaming Midget
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      The thing is, Everton have had history of performing badly on the Sundays following a Europa Thursday. I'll admit, I've not looked at the stats but it's been mentioned quite a lot.

      You then add to the fact that Stones could miss the rest of 2014 and suddenly Everton's defence looks even more stringy.

      I get the argument that Baines is an 'extra midfielder' where CS is a bonus, but I'm not sure. I think Baines is good when he has both: good CS potential AND attacking potential.

      Had Everton started the season better and been stronger at the back, I think Baines would be much more of a No Brainer than he is at present.

      Let's just say, I'm not totally convinced, especially not for the likes of ADM.