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Projecting Value – Defenders

26 July 2011 1864 comments
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Today’s Members article sees the top ten defenders in terms of value come under the spotlight. What’s noticeable with regard to our projected points per Fantasy pound is only one of our top ten defenders ranks higher than any of yesterday’s top ten goalkeepers- with “Save” points boosting the goalkeeper tallies, it highlights the importance of picking the correct goalkeeper pairing in order to get the most out of your budget…

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  1. Woy of the Wovers
    15 years, 3 months ago

    With all these pricey defenders in the top value category, these figures suggest that you should invest a lot more in defence this year. Personally, I suspect that they are slightly overcooked but we shall see.

    Being doing a few calculations with the goalkeeper stats and finding a few interesting things. Of these, there is some arbitrariness about some figures which you can see by comparing Given with Schwarzer. Same number of appearances and cleansheets yet Given manages to find an extra 10 points with only 11 more saves!!

    There are several possible explanations for this

    1 – Given has more 3 save matches
    2 – Villa have fewer games where they concede 2 goals (or 4 or 6…)
    3 – Given gets points for penalty saves

    Based on the number of clean sheets, and saves, it seems unlikely that the first two of these would explain the extra points for Given. It might come down to penalty saves but I don’t see any mention of this in the article. Is there some “luck of the Irish” factor that I have not seen?

    All this might be a little irrelevant were it not that the difference in points is all explained by these factors. Give or take these “floating points”, and it could easily be Schwarzer who should be ranked at the top of the value table.

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    1. Shhh... I Should Be Working
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I noticed something similar yesterday looking at the defenders. Bardsley had one less appearence than O'Shea but scored 2 more goals (from memory). Same assists, clean sheets and almost identical yellow cards and bonus. Bardsely was projected one point less than O'Shea but you think it would be higher.

      There does't seem to be a equation that uses the figures for goals, assists etc to work out the total points. They seem to be calculated independently... ot at least the not calculated in the same way for each player (even ones playing for the same team).

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      1. Acer
        15 years, 3 months ago

        I would pay no attention to it. How can we possibly know how many goals a player will score.

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        1. Woy of the Wovers
          15 years, 3 months ago

          Using that logic, how can we possible predict who are the best players to select in your team?

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    2. FPL Daniel
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Nice effort

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  2. vova
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Lost on Last Page

    Hey guys you are probably sick of RMT, but I wil throw mine in there.

    Given Ruddy
    Kompany Enrique Simpson Taylor(Swansea) ACole
    Taarabt Sinclair Sess NZogbia Malouda
    Bent Rooney Holt

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    1. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I think it's good man! Covered most areas

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      1. Fratboy
        15 years, 3 months ago

        You have any spare cash?
        I don't have Malouda, instead got VDV and switching him to Malouda/Lamps in GW2

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        1. Oz lotto
          15 years, 3 months ago

          nice tactic. mines like that aswell.

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          1. Fratboy
            15 years, 3 months ago

            Cheers, I think it'll work well

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  3. Soop
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Hello.

    Had a bit of a crazy night yesterday. And Pancho off Dirty Sanchez is a dick.

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    1. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Oh dear ... 😉

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      1. Soop
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Yeah, the night ended with my friend getting 2 bottles of champagne, but I had the good sense to avoid the round of shots...

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        1. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          15 years, 3 months ago

          Lot of water needed today, then ... 😀

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          1. Soop
            15 years, 3 months ago

            And some food...

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  4. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    15 years, 3 months ago

    What are people's thought on having 3 4.0m defenders? I've gone for Baines & Kompany who I will start almost every week - then pick whichever 1 of the 3 cheapies has the better fixture?

    Given, Ruddy
    Baines, Kompany, Simpson, Orr, N Taylor
    Lampard, N'Zogbia, Taarabt, O'Hara, Sinclair
    Suarez, RVP, Holt

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    1. Just A Hat
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I think it's a well good strategy, I usually always go for it most seasons. This season I'm going with Cole, kompany and baines though, playing every week

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  5. Demí
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Blackburn vs Aston Villa K.O. 11am

    BRFC line up: Robinson Salgado Olsson Samba Givet Emerton Dunn Formica Pedersen N'Zonzi Roberts

    AVFC line up: Given Young Collins Dunne Warnock Agbonlahor Makoun Petrov Bannan Heskey Bent

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    1. Kingston
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Strong Villa line up with no Albrighton

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    2. Goose
      15 years, 3 months ago

      If u are the one person in the world not to have Given or u fancy doubling up I reckon Warnock is an option. McLeish type of player IMO.

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      1. Fratboy
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Him or Collins reckon would be a good shout if you didn't have Given

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        1. Goose
          15 years, 3 months ago

          Isn't Collins quite a bit more? Plus I think he's awful!

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          1. Fratboy
            15 years, 3 months ago

            .5 more I think, he's the only Villa DEF who scores though...based on BPS system this year, I can see him doing alright!

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      2. Demí
        15 years, 3 months ago

        i concur with you wholeheartedly

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        1. Brian (Not the Messiah)
          15 years, 3 months ago

          I'm doubling up... Think Villa will have lots of CS this season!

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          1. yeates45
            15 years, 3 months ago

            Already on that one! (Given and L.Young)

            Rotating with Kenny so I have another defender to rotate with Young)

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        2. Kings of Lyon ★
          15 years, 3 months ago

          +1

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  6. Jafalad
    15 years, 3 months ago

    I see all the Saffas are keeping a low profile this week.

    Wonder why? 😕

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    1. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      15 years, 3 months ago

      You are such a bar steward - you know very well why ... 😀

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      1. Jafalad
        15 years, 3 months ago

        :;

        You reckon Inze is still sulking over the rugby result in Ozzy?

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    2. Transient Anus
      15 years, 3 months ago

      😀

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    3. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      😆

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      1. Hanso Lo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        15 years, 3 months ago

        That game was never gonna be any better than the result we got...we lost fair and square and as we should have...Ozzies had their A-Team and we played with B and C rated players. Pride stings and losing is never accepted...we should have done better...so yeah...we got out played and fair enough...that team was pretty great to watch. The pace of the Wallabies is so dangerous.

        You also got to factor in that most South Africans don't agree with the current coaching set-up and have thus marked the loss as yet another indication of just how poor we will be in the World Cup.

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  7. Soop
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Really tempted to go and see the Bears play in Wembley. Not many hances to see my favorite team play for this price!

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  8. claretdownunder
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Hi

    out of the two combinations below which do you think is best for the 3 opening weeks

    a) Malouda and Bent
    b) Van Persie and Nzogbia

    i am tempted towards A but VP gave me loads of points last season and i think he will do well at Newcastle

    Thanks for your help

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    1. Doosra - ☭BowenOfRice☭
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I have Malouda, Bent and N'Zogbia ...

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    2. TO
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Van Persie and Nzogbia

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    3. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      A, personally

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  9. Demí
    15 years, 3 months ago

    If you had to pick one player out of these 3 to score the highest in GW 1, who would you go for:

    1) Malouda
    2) VDV
    3) Kuyt

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    1. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      This is what I've been toying with, I'm gonna say VDV, I reckon we have very similar teams if we're thinking along the same lines...

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    2. Brian (Not the Messiah)
      15 years, 3 months ago

      VDV

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    3. ToonTom
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I am currently going VDV...until chelsea line up is clear

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      1. ToonTom
        15 years, 3 months ago

        well clearER! It prob wont be crystal will it!

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    4. Demí
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I'm on VDV currently too, cheers guys

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    5. yeates45
      15 years, 3 months ago

      VDV - keep .5 in the bank and change to Malouda in GW2

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  10. McTown
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Al Hab, Given

    Rafael, Kompany, A Cole

    Silva, Malouda, Barton, Moses

    Suarez, RVP, Rodallega

    Subs: Dyer, Wilkinson, Orr

    Thoughts? possible dyer-ferg switch to change roda-zamora or suarez-bent...

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  11. tristanabc
    15 years, 3 months ago

    a) RVP and Moses
    b) Gervinho and N'zogbia

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    1. Pinnochio
      15 years, 3 months ago

      id stay clear of gervinho for a while man

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      1. Fratboy
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Agreed, a)

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      2. TO
        15 years, 3 months ago

        why? he's going to start and can score goals & assist

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        1. tristanabc
          15 years, 3 months ago

          exactly! +1

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      3. tristanabc
        15 years, 3 months ago

        he's shown signs of brilliance in the pre-season friendlies and could be a big differential

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        1. Pinnochio
          15 years, 3 months ago

          ye but it will depend on how arsenal play..he could be out on the wing and being classed as a striker won't help

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          1. tristanabc
            15 years, 3 months ago

            true true, do you think lampard to malouda would be a better downgrade?

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            1. Pinnochio
              15 years, 3 months ago

              samw..i was stuck with the same decision on those two..I eventually picked lamps just because i think he's guaranteed to start and he's on set pieces..We'll have to see how AVB plays malouda..same as gervinho scenario i think

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        2. Demí
          15 years, 3 months ago

          By pre-season friendlies you mean just 20 minutes of action overall

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          1. tristanabc
            15 years, 3 months ago

            and 2 goals

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            1. moss
              15 years, 3 months ago

              that means he's gunna score 183 goals this season! fantasy must!

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          2. moss
            15 years, 3 months ago

            exactly

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        3. moss
          15 years, 3 months ago

          he's played 28 minutes of pre-season

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  12. Pinnochio
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Hello everyone..
    I know it's probably been mentioned a lot on these forums but does anyone have a list of the best keeper pairings?

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    1. Jafalad
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Bergo and Given are near purrfect with both at 5 mill each.

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      1. Pinnochio
        15 years, 3 months ago

        thank you

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    2. yeates45
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Given/Kenny for a 9.5m combo.

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  13. lickwidice
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Hi Guys please RM(FINAL FOUR)T:

    A) Given,Kenny
    Hughes,Kompany,Baines,Ward,Simpson
    Nzogbia,Malouda,Sinclair,Sessagnon,Taarbt
    Torres,Carrol,Holt

    B) Given, Kenny
    A.Cole,Kompany,Baines,Ward,Simpson
    Yaya Toure,Nzogbia,Sinclair,Moses,Taarabt
    Torres,Suarez,Zamora

    C) Given, Kenny
    A.Cole, Kompany,Baines,Simpson,Ward
    Malouda,Nzogbia,Sinclair,Barton,Buzsaky
    Torres,Suarez,Holt

    D) Given, Kenny
    Luiz,Kompany,Hughes, Simpson, Alcaraz
    Malouda,Nzogiba,sinclair,Barton,Taarabt
    Torres,Carroll,Ba

    will do Suarez/Carrol -> Bent GW2 and Torres -> RVP later on.
    Please no "Get rid of torres" comments. He is my only gamble.
    I'm leaning towards team A. What do you guys think?

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    1. Marknlard
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Not sure about Given, Kenny, Kompany, Simpson, Nzog, Sinclair or Torres.

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      1. Pinnochio
        15 years, 3 months ago

        What? Kompany Given and nzog will be solid

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      2. lickwidice
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        15 years, 3 months ago

        I can understand Kenny/Torres. But what about Given/Kompany/Simpson/Sinclair/Nzog? I'm sure they are guaranteed starters

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        1. Marknlard
          15 years, 3 months ago

          Just messing with you, as they were the only ones in every team and the ones you were most happy with!

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          1. lickwidice
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            15 years, 3 months ago

            Haha I was all like WTF 😀

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      3. Goose
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Few popular picks your not keen on their, I'm intrigued to see your side...

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    2. lickwidice
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      15 years, 3 months ago

      A B C or D?

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    3. Brian (Not the Messiah)
      15 years, 3 months ago

      too much to try figure out. just lay out the different players...

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      1. lickwidice
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Okay guys please RMFourT's (I tried simplifying it by taking out the common players):

        A) DEF: Hughes,Baines,Ward
        MID: Malouda,Sessagnon,Taarabt
        FWD: Holt

        B) DEF: A.Cole,Baines,Ward
        MID: Ya Ya Toure,Moses,Taarabt
        FWD: Zamora

        C) DEF: A.Cole,Baines,Ward
        MID: Malouda,Barton,Buzsaky
        FWD: Holt

        D) DEF: Luiz,Hughes,Alcaraz
        MID: Malouda,Barton,Taarabt
        FWD: Ba

        Please just advice A B C or D and why? If you need to look at the full team scroll up! 🙂

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  14. Fratboy
    15 years, 3 months ago

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8664382/Manchester-United-plan-one-last-push-for-Wesley-Sneijder.html

    For f*cks sake, LET IT GO!!

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    1. yeates45
      15 years, 3 months ago

      YES PLEASE! FERGIE SIGN HIM UP!

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      1. yeates45
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Excuse caps - got excited!

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  15. dasher
    15 years, 3 months ago

    could someone please RMT i think this line up is good, prob 2 sketchy players that im not sure if will start or not.......

    given (ruddy)

    riise, clichy, skrtel, (delat. caulker)

    malouda, downing , nzogbia, taarabt (surman)

    rvp , suarez (bothroyd)

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  16. McTown
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Al Hab, Given

    Rafael, Kompany, A Cole

    Silva, Malouda, Barton, Moses

    Suarez, RVP, Rodallega

    Subs: Dyer, Wilkinson, Orr

    Thoughts? possible dyer-ferg switch to change roda-zamora or suarez-bent…

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    1. Tommyboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Rafael uncertain - Hating Rodallega love - he has never been good.

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      1. Pinnochio
        15 years, 3 months ago

        whats up with the team selected by% on fpl?

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  17. Tommyboy
    15 years, 3 months ago

    RMT Plz

    Given (Ruddy)
    ACole Huth Kompany (Orr, Simpson)
    VDV, Young, Sinclair, Sessegnon (Ferguson)
    Suarez, RVP Holt

    Keep swapping Holt with Rooney and downgrading VDV / Young (Open to Nani) to Albrighton and Yaya - Let me know what you think is best!!!

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  18. Soop
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Weston Super Mare is due to be demolished in its entirety and rebuilt. The new town is planned to be named Weston Mare 64, and will boast an improved user experience, including life-like citizens.

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  19. David - gonna slay Goliath …
    15 years, 3 months ago

    first team draft.

    what do you reckon guys

    given/ makalamby

    kompany, vidic, cahill
    sinclair, taarabt, vdv, toure, nzogs

    rvp, ba

    holt, woodgate, steven taylor

    what do you reckon?

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  20. ToonTom
    15 years, 3 months ago

    For those who are interested Toon played a friendly last night,won 3-0, Ba played and looked rusty, Vuckic looked good and might be a player later on....

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news//tm_headline=columbus-crew-0-newcastle-united-3%26method=full%26objectid=29125987%26siteid=72703-name_page.html

    http://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2011/07/27/toon-cruise-anaginst-crew-columbus-0-3-newcastle/#comment-88244

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  21. Oz lotto
    15 years, 3 months ago

    BREAKING NEWS: Sergio Aguero has arrived in Manchester to complete his move to Manchester City.

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    1. tristanabc
      15 years, 3 months ago

      how much do you think he'll be in ffm

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      1. Oz lotto
        15 years, 3 months ago

        hey tristan.. 8.5-9.5 i think... if he is more its unjustified especially if tevez doesnt leave

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        1. tristanabc
          15 years, 3 months ago

          I think I'd be tempted to get him for that actually, and downgrade a midfielder

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      2. yeates45
        15 years, 3 months ago

        At least 10m... £40m price tag....

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    2. Soop
      15 years, 3 months ago

      How is that breaking news? where else would he go?

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      1. Oz lotto
        15 years, 3 months ago

        just saying he is in manchester :s sorry for being excited

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        1. Soop
          15 years, 3 months ago

          Sorry 🙁

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    3. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      oh sheeeeeet

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  22. ToonTom
    15 years, 3 months ago

    People are saying Raphael is uncertain, who are the other likely RB at Man U?

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    1. Arse Craic
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Fabio.

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    2. Oz lotto
      15 years, 3 months ago

      i'd say nailed on starter. he was rested on occasion last season with fabio replacing but that was probably due to champions league

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    3. yeates45
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Certain for RB - Check the preseason stuff on Manutd.com hes played all 3 games (90mins each game I think... was moved to RW at some points too)

      2 assists and a goal

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  23. greyham_2005
    15 years, 3 months ago

    GK…. REINA (Ruddy)
    DEF… GIBBS/HUGHES/RAFAEL/ (Simpson + Wilkinson)
    MID… ALBRIGHTON/NANI/TAARABT/MODRIC (Ben Arfa (when fit))
    ATT… ROONEY/CAROLL/ZAMORA

    ORRRRR

    GK…. REINA (Ruddy)
    DEF… SKRTEL/HUGHES/RAFAEL/ (Simpson + Wilkinson)
    MID… ALBRIGHTON/VAN DER VART/TAARABT/N'ZOGBIA (Ben Arfa (when fit))
    ATT… ROONEY/CAROLL/ZAMORA

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    1. Microeconomics
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I think the second one. Maybe change Skrtel to Kompany

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    2. Arse Craic
      15 years, 3 months ago

      2nd team is much better

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  24. Microeconomics
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Ok, quick poll:
    Valencia, worth the risk??
    I'm getting attracted to the idea of taking this risk, should I?

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    1. Oz lotto
      15 years, 3 months ago

      not worth it imo... if you want to take a risk its all about yossi

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  25. Marknlard
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Anyone else think it's odd that there's just one 4.0 midfielder?

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    1. Soop
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I think they deliberately put in little surprises.

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      1. Marknlard
        15 years, 3 months ago

        Not going to do much for the poor guy's self confidence.

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        1. Fratboy
          15 years, 3 months ago

          hahaha

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        2. Soop
          15 years, 3 months ago

          It's ok; he's Amish.

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        3. Hughes the Daddy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          15 years, 3 months ago

          🙂

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    2. ToonTom
      15 years, 3 months ago

      Yes! I mentioned it the other day.....Poor ferguson!

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  26. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Dunno if its been mentioned but Moreira's been added to the game as a 4m keeper.

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  27. Soop
    15 years, 3 months ago

    The article mentions blah blah blah save points. Are Save points different to last year?

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  28. Lucas Leiva
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Aguero price predictions?

    Dzeko and Balo both started at around 9.5, but Kun would be the #1 striker with Tevez (12m) leaving. That would lead me to think around 11. But Suarez started at 9 and is 9.5 this season, hopefully Kun can be a steal at around 10-10.5 🙂

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    1. Oz lotto
      15 years, 3 months ago

      i reckon between 9 and 10.5 max is good value if carlos leaves.

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    2. Soop
      15 years, 3 months ago

      I'm having a flashback...

      Balotelli... Dzeko... Adebeyor... Santa Cruz... Jo...

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    3. Fratboy
      15 years, 3 months ago

      11 I reckon...but hoping lower!

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  29. McTown
    15 years, 3 months ago

    Al Hab, Given

    Rafael, Kompany, A Cole

    Lamp, Yaya, Hoolahan, Moses

    Bent, RVP, Zamora

    Subs: Ferg, Wilkinson, Orr

    Thoughts? possible change to malouda and silva for lamps and yaya...

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  30. Putherover
    15 years, 3 months ago

    new post

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