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The 2012/13 Premier League campaign may be about to get underway but with the transfer window still open and players still trickling back from the golf course and international duty, a number of unanswered questions have mounted up. In the first of a series of pre-season articles, we identify these “Burning Questions” and fire them at our resident contributors, in the hope that somewhere amongst their rambling, there’s a source of enlightenment.

We begin by examining that now familiar phenomenon, asssessing Everton’s chances of avoiding a false start.

Last season was a perfect example of Everton’s problematic start to a campaign; with the spectre of the transfer window once again leaving the cash strapped side unable to land the players it so desperately needed, whilst exposing them to the advances of wealthier suitors. The departure of Spanish playmaker Mikel Arteta to Arsenal in the summer transfer window was particularly costly, as Everton notched up seven defeats by Christmas. Come 2012 the wind of change blew strongly across Merseyside, with the January window ushering in former player Steven Pienaar on loan and Croatian striker Nikica Jelavic from Rangers on a permanent basis. The new additions helped Everton achieve a nine–match unbeaten run and finish a very respectable seventh.

So far this season’s preparation is going far better. Pienaar has returned to the club and in Jelevic they have a settled and proven goalscorer, who has been joined by fellow former Rangers forward Steven Naismith. The ageing legs of Tim Cahill’s have departed to the New York Red Bulls and that may have opened the door for Everton’s other midfield talent to shine: Marouane Fellaini and Darron Gibson look set to profit. Despite being handed an opener against United, the fixture computer has also been reasonably kind to them with their first six games (MUN, avl, wba, NEW, swa, SOT). But will this be enough for Everton to tear up their dire early season form book?

Big Dunc says…
You have to go back to 2004-05 season for the last time Everton had a really strong start – they were sat in third place at Christmas and their eventual fourth place saw them qualify for the Champions League for the first time (only to be knocked out ahead of the group stages). Every year since, Moyes has been desperately trying to recreate that early season form and has failed miserably almost every time. As an Everton fan, I’ve got to be realistic and I believe that we’ve started badly because we just haven’t had the team to really challenge – the fact that Moyes has been able to get the very best out of his players as the season goes on and consistently finish strongly, is a testament to just how incredible a manager he really is.

This season feels different though. Previous seasons have seen us dogged by long drawn out transfer sagas, and the loss of Pienaar and Arteta last summer had a catastrophic effect on the structure of the team. The additions of Jelavic and Gibson in January, and then Pienaar and Naismith early in the summer window, however, means we will be starting with the strongest team we’ve had in years – there’s a natural balance to the side now and only the potential loss of Leighton Baines, who has been linked with Manchester United, could disrupt that. I’ll be backing Jelavic in a big way this season – I can see the vast majority of play coming through the Croatian, and he’s more than capable of over 20 goals this term – including his time at Rangers, he’s done it three years in a row now. If you’re looking for an early season differential then Fellaini could be well worth a punt – with Naismith likely to be used sparingly at first, I can see the big man pushed forwards and he should provide strong value across the games.

Mark says…
Is this bad start business merely a myth? This season should certainly test it to the full. Arguably Everton go into their opening game against United with one of the most settled squads, while David Moyes will have confidence in his tactics and personnel. The signing of Pienaar is, of course, absolutely key and with Nikaca Jelavic available from the get-go, I’d personally be very surprised if we didn’t see Everton destroy the hoodoo and be amongst the leading pack after the first couple of months. Will I back that view with some Fantasy investment? I’m still not sure. This time last year I was strongly considering Leighton Baines at 8.0, so why am I currently overlooking him at just 7.0? I’m still trying to work that one out – perhaps it’s the talk of a move to Old Trafford. Along with Thomas Vermaelen, Baines is the defensive wildcard who could rip it up and prove an outstanding differential.

Darron Gibson also deserves a mention – if Pienaar is too rich for you, Gibson, in the budget bracket looks an assured starter and has promised more goals. With Cahill now departed, we might even see Moyes release the shackles and give him licence to get within range with that howitzer shot of his.

Paul says…
With Steven Pienaar back in the fold on a permanent basis and Nikica Jelavic installed up top as the lone frontman, I don’t anticipate Everton will start quite so badly as they have done in recent seasons but I expect David Moyes’ men, as always, to have their customary strong finish. I feel that the reason as to why the Toffees continually do better in the final few months of each campaign is mainly down to one issue – fitness. There must be some explanation for the pattern; it’s not as if Moyes only manages to rally his troops with a few months of each term remaining. With Everton’s budget nowhere near many of their Premier League counterparts, Moyes is canny enough to gain an advantage over his rivals in every possible way and while many teams fail to maintain their results as the months go by and begin to flounder, the Goodison outfit are able to go from strength to strength in comparison. Consistency should be better, then, and with Jelavic’s deadly eye for goal up front, Baines could well return to the Fantasy form of 2010/11, with the Croatian and Pienaar looking strong value for their prices – the Sky Sports game also looks ideal for the South African in particular, with Marouane Fellaini a good bet here, too.

New boy Steven Naismith – if he can stay clear of injury – could also be a decent punt; reasonably priced across the Fantasy games, his previous partnership with Jelavic at Glasgow Rangers could come to fruition in the Premier League if he’s handed a regular role in “the hole” as a result of Tim Cahill’s departure to New York Red Bulls.

Anorak says…
Why not? It’s become a tradition in the last few years, so much so that questions about Moyes’ inability to construct that perfect pre-season and motivate his charges to begin with a bang have been heard loud and clear. However, this year things are slightly different in the build up, with the unfamiliar sights of both a settled squad and a couple of first team signings in the shape of Steven Pienaar and Steven Naismith sure to lift spirits of both the team and fans alike. Add to that the return of Jack Rodwell, and the potential form of Nikica Jelavić and Everton could even be a team to be reckoned with in early season.

My pick of the Toffees though would be the big Belgian, Marouane Fellaini – with Tim Cahill now plying his trade in the US, Fellaini will again be asked to push on this season and as he has already shown in the past, he’s a consistent danger against even the best sides, including their first opponents of the campaign Manchester United.

Stilicho says…
They can and they will. Various theories have been postulated to explain Everton’s perennially pedestrian starts: unusual training methods, a government conspiracy, a gypsy curse. Compelling as these explanations are, the truth is simple – Moyes does it deliberately for dramatic effect.

Justly commended for punching above their weight in recent years, the Toffees’ boss has taken to basing his entire strategy around the narrative structure of the Rocky films. First he raises the humble expectations of his squad with a grueling, montage-ridden training camp. Next he raises the tension by insisting they spend the first few months of the season staggering limply around Goodison and enduring a remorselessly pummeling at the hands of whoever happens to show up. Before Christmas, when all hope seems lost, he pulls a lopsided grimace and lets loose an incoherent exclamation – the signal for the Toffees’ triumphant fight back to upper-mid-table redemption. The music plays, everybody exclaims what a wonderful manager he is, and still nobody offers him a better job.

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  1. JasonThatOneKid
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    PLEASE RMT:
    de Gea, Cerny
    Anton Ferdinand, Cole, Kelly, clyne, tomkins
    Mata, Bale, Britton, Yaya Toure, Wright-Phillips
    Torres, Petric, Aguero

    Im unsure with de gea as he might not be starting every week for united, should i change him? i had cech and kolarov for man city, would they be better than de gea and cole? Any advice for me on my team is welcome. I hav 1.5 million in the bank to bring in rooney. With everton, i'll wait n see how they start, which everton defenders are nailed btw?

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    1. Red20
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      I don't really fanct Cerny, Ferdinand, Britton, Wright - Phillips. But that's just me.

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      1. JasonThatOneKid
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        i take ur advice but britton plays every game n u need one cheap midfielder. wright phillips has been on gud form pre season n qpr dont have the toughest start, i wouldnt be worried bout chelsea at home for them either.

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        1. Infinite Sheldon
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 9 months ago

          Ireland is better option than W-p IMO

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  2. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Damn you Baines, stop tempting me away from Kolarov

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      🙂

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    2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      You ever played an Elder Scrolls game before? Your grav reminds me of Sheogorath 🙂

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    3. JasonThatOneKid
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      wat bout ashley cole? double gameweek first week vs wigan n reading 😛

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  3. deepblue
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    REPOST as it got stuck at the bottom of last page
    A) Michu and Petric
    OR
    B) Fellaini and Graham?

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    1. JasonThatOneKid
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      tats a tough one.... both r good really

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    2. Red20
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      A for me.

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    3. gtf
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      B. they're both proven.

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      1. deepblue
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        thanks fellas..think am gonna go for B

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  4. gtf
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Which 4.0 Norwich defender is most assured of starts?

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    1. deepblue
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      think it's tierney.. atleast that's whom i have gone for.

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    2. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Tierney

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    3. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Tierney at left back was nailed on when he returned from injury IIRC

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    4. Absinthe Minded
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      gone for Barnett

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    5. Eversio88
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      McCartney

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  5. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    my sudden love for the
    Lamps Mata Yaya Pienaar Noble midfield is making it difficult to fit in even 3 5 mill defenders 🙁

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    1. LarryMurphy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Had the same situation except had Bale instead of Mate... you can't win em all!

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      1. LarryMurphy
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        *Mata

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  6. Red20
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    We're finally on the podium! Wonder what he's been giving the horse this time.

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    1. BOOM XHAKALACA
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Exactly what I've been thinking 😀

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  7. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    If RVP signs for United, I don't know whether to cry of sadness or happiness...

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    1. BOOM XHAKALACA
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Wouldn't be happiness in my case...

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    2. LarryMurphy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Who do you support?

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      1. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        United

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        1. LarryMurphy
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 9 months ago

          Why would you cry? Fantasy Football is a game.. the best striker in Europe is possibly moving to the team you support... baffled when I hear stuff like this!

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          1. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 9 months ago

            Don't care about the Fantasy game. Just symphatysing with Hernandez and Welbeck,

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            1. Gaz Downright
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 9 months ago

              looks like you are sympathizing with Swansea to me -_-

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  8. gtf
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    So all these people who have saved 2million for Torres > Rooney. Whats your plans gunna be if RVP signs for Man Utd?

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    1. FORCA INTER
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      -start season with jelavic
      -get vidic/baines as expesive mf
      -stick with Torres
      -get valencia as UTD coverage
      -get rid of maloney/noble

      team will look much better

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    2. Fray Bentos
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      i can see them all saving 3mil instead

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    3. Infinite Sheldon
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Stick with Torres if he does well. Possibly still get Rooney

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  9. I am not a smart guy
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone for Vermaelen? 7.0 for consistent 6 to 7 goals per year plus some clean sheets?

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    1. deepblue
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      not at the very start.. will wait until the fixtures ease up a bit.

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    2. Fray Bentos
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      agree but dont like his fixtures

      changing between 7 mil defenders at certain points this year will be a good idea - vidic, verm, baines, terry

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  10. JasonThatOneKid
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    which everton, aston villa, west ham defenders are nailed?

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  11. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Suprised last night that many still hadn't seen this... went down well again 🙂

    Hitler, Tevez and fantasy football. Enjoy

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b-s4xQfZ_M

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    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Ah that Hitler Bunker skit has been used so many times for different things, it has lost its effect for me.
      Funny if you have not seen it before, in fairness.

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    2. Damo.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Don't worry he doesn't know about you and Giggs. 😀

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    3. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Oh, dearie me! 😆 😆

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    4. Mr Blue
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Thats just funny

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  12. deepblue
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    so start Guthrie for the DGW or Fellaini to Man U (Away)???
    Dilemas dilemas... 😛

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    1. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Guthrie shouldn't be in your team if your not even going to pick him in the DGW and with no fixture in GW3 your asking for trouble.

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    2. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Guthrie if you have yourselves covered elsewhere for gw3.
      Gutrie has averaged a goal every 10 games is a starter so I think he represents value at 4.5m

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  13. GMac1980
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    RMT Pleeeeeeeeeeeeease!

    Fred (De Gea)

    Rangel Hange Clichy (Santon) (ShawX)

    Valencia Noble Lampard Siggi (Britton)

    Torres Graham Bent

    2.5 mill pocket money left over.

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  14. I am not a smart guy
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Norwich defense got improved?

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  15. Smakies
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    does anyone has good H2H leagues

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  16. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Wild Rover

    Go sort them out

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-19177730

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    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Disgraceful, but I feared much worse when I heard her box had been vandalised! 😯

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    2. Infinite Sheldon
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      It only said go Jess. It only required a lick of paint to cover it. What's the big deal?

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      1. QOTSA
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        Think about it.

        Anyway, by vandalised I thought they meant it was covered in dried in semen.

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      2. Gnu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        Do you really have to ask what the big deal is?

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  17. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Any good??
    De gea federcihi
    Cole staylor cullear gorkas macartney
    Hazard yaya pienaar allen noble
    Tevez Torres Rooney.

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    1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah, its OK. I prefer Tevez, Aguero, Torres, then planning a double switch GW2 to get Rooney, but I can see the logic of just getting him in. Tevez instead of Aguero will make you very nervous GW1 . . .

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  18. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Hi All,
    What’s the view on just planning to take a hit after GW1? Saving back 2 (or 2.5) to get Rooney in straightaway leaves money on the table in GW1; other plans leave Rooney out of your team for a home tie in GW2; having Rooney from the start makes it impossible to do what I want for GW1: a Tevez, Aguero, Torres front line. So how about just planning to take a hit so you can respond to the various possibilities, like Aguero breaking a leg or Torres lighting the world on fire (anything can happen!). A double switch for GW2 can put you right where you want to be. Thoughts?

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  19. Manamongst
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Yeah...can't say I'm getting close...

    Zabaleta, Vertonghen, Rafael, Fabio, Boyce

    Ramires, El Ghanassy, Dyer, Taarabt, Maloney

    RVP, Tevez, Ruiz

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    1. Manamongst
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Al Habsi, Begovich

      before you ask.

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    2. Infinite Sheldon
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      A lot of punts in there. RVP is a bit dodgy until we know where he's going. If he goes to united be wont do as well as last season with competition from Rooney for goals. In that case, Rooney looks a better option as he is cheaper. I know Zabaleta will start a lot, he won't start all games and so Lescoot is worth the extra IMO. Rafael will be rotated most likely. You need Bale IMO and midfield in general is too weak. Also, Petric or Graham would be better than Ruiz IMO.

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  20. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    This article on Everton has opened my eyes abit to the value of Gibson... I also love the word "Howitzer"!

    Maloney -> Gibson (for only EVE cover?)

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    1. In Tommy We Trust
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Maloney and Gibson? rotate well up to GW14

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      1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        Oooo me likey!! Puts your comment under his hat.

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    2. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Welcome aboard 😉

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  21. A Bagel
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Pienaar or McClean?

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    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Pienaar

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      1. A Bagel
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        You sure!? Sunderland have much nicer opening few weeks (which is why i picked McClean, as i rate him over Larsson), and Everton always stall at the beginning of a new season....

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  22. Coldplay
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Afternoon. How is everyone doing? Anything I may have missed in the last 24 hours? Btw when does United v Barca kicks off?

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    1. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Well in canada beggins at 2h but do you know a channel where i can watch it

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      1. Coldplay
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        I'll find an online stream if I can. Don't know any channel which would show the match.

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    2. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      less than 3 hours.

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    3. Conrad.
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      2hr 20min

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    4. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      L5 See you there 😀

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      1. Coldplay
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        😉

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  23. In Tommy We Trust
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Any news on Terry and a possible ban?

    Thinking it makes sense to go with him ahead of Cole for the double as the balance of the side improves.

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  24. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Britain are favourites to win a gold medal in the women's boxing:
    http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/katie-taylors-british-we-think-not/

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    1. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Wonder when one of 'em gets punched in the boob they do a Lois Griffin type "Ahhhhhh Ahhhhh Ahhhhh!" while holding the punched funbag?

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      1. LarryMurphy
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        *tumbleweed*

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    2. LarryMurphy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Typical!

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  25. GrunkaLunka
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    RMT - have i gone way too generic with this?

    Jaask - Fed
    Coal - Lescott - Fabio - McCartney - Clyne
    Hazard - Kagawa - Noble - Guthrie - Bale
    Rooney - Aguero - Pog

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  26. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    200M mens final today or tomorrow?

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    1. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      semi-final today 10th final

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        So neither today or tomorrow haha 😳
        Cheers.

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    2. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Tomorrow

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  27. Torreslove
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    if both bale and siggy get equal playing time, who do you fancy?

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Depends if VDV is playing also.

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    2. In Tommy We Trust
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Bale. Really think he can jump up past 200 points this year

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    3. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Bale.

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    4. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Bale

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    5. I am not a smart guy
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy to me, he absorbs pts from teammates 🙂

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    6. FPLFamily (Lee)
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Siggy on set pieces

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  28. EMILE FOR ONE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone thinking of Suarez for a differential? Tricky start but amount of times he hit the post last year im thinking he may come good......just can't bare torres in my team, even if he had a treble GW

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    1. Fray Bentos
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      he might just be my ace up the sleeve

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    2. LMNO
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      never!

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    3. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      I'm having Tevez until Liverpool play United then in comes Suarez.

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    4. FORCA INTER
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      only if RVP sign with UTD

      i already working on Suarez+Aguero+Jelavic atacking line

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      1. EMILE FOR ONE
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        I agree, he is a nailed on starter, and RVP to Utd would rule out the most expensive players in the game. Freeing up some much needed cash. Think im close to almost putting every fpl player into my team now though...

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    5. LarryMurphy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      I'd have Boselli before I had rat features

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    6. Coldplay
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Not at the beginning with those fixtures. Will consider him when his fixtures become easy.

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    7. Manani
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      not with those fixture

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  29. Smakies
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Haven't heard much love about ba ?

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    1. LMNO
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Newcastle forwards don't get much love. No idea why, they are both good

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    2. Fray Bentos
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      not supring as he could find the net last year - why has that now changed?

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      1. Smakies
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 9 months ago

        yes and for his price he is an absolute take for any team, maybe it's his fixtures

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    3. A Bagel
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      Newcastle have a tricky start the season in terms of fixtures. Be good to wait a while, until they are past the first few GW, and to see whether Cisse finished last season on a fluke, or can maintain how he ended.

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  30. rohan
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 9 months ago

    Right so anyone think United might revert to a 4-4-2 or a 4-1-2-1-2 IF RVP joins and IF Rooney and RVP do play up top??

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    1. LMNO
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 9 months ago

      RVP / Rooney rotation??

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