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15 August 2012 1554 comments
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With Ashley Young, Nani, Antonio Valencia and the evergreen Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs among their ranks, the Manchester United midfield has been a fertile source of points for Fantasy Managers in recent years. In our latest pre-season “Burning Question” we assess the impact of the midfield’s latest recruit, Japan international Shinji Kagawa, who joined during the summer from Borussia Dortmund.

Priced at 8.5m in the FPL game and 7.6m in the Sky Sports game, Kagawa could represent a bargain if he can nail down a regular place in the United starting XI and replicate the form he displayed in the Bundesliga last season. In 31 league appearances for the German champions, the 23-year-old proved to be a pivotal figure in midfield, returning 13 goals and eight assists for Jurgen Klopp’s side.

During pre-season friendlies the signs are good that Kagawa will have a fruitful career at United, scoring the only goal in the Red Devils win over Shanghai Shenhua in July and earlier this month notching again during a thrilling 4-3 victory over Hannover. However, the threat of rotation hangs heavy over him, with Sir Alex Ferguson rolling out 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1 formations during friendlies with Danny Welbeck and Kagawa taking it in turns to partner Wayne Rooney.

Mark says…
If you’re going to gamble on one big new arrival to the Premier League, Kagawa may well be the best option. His pre-season form has been impressive and it is clear Sir Alex has reacted to the midfielder’s displays by giving him plenty of pitch time and experimenting with his role in United’s formation. This could be key to his prospects of getting close to the kind of returns we saw him contribute in the Bundesliga. In a 4-4-2, it seems likely that Kagawa will adopt a deeper role, alongside Michael Carrick, and be charged with getting forward to link play where possible. In a 4-4-1-1 it could be we see Kagawa given the support role “in the hole” playing up with Wayne Rooney, or even Javier Hernandez. This would surely give Kagawa the freedom to flourish, deal damage and begin threatening heavy returns. Rotation with Tom Cleverley is perhaps the threat and with Darren Fletcher edging back into the frame, it’s clear that Kawaga will have to show consistency to maintain starts.

Fantasy managers are clearly coveting United attacking talent and, while Rooney is the obvious choice, doubts about his early season sharpness has us turning to midfield areas. With Antonio Valencia shifted to right-back in pre-season, and with several threats on his starting role, Kagawa has emerged as a viable alternative to the Ecuadorian. In the end, the price difference in his favour could well tip the balance. There’s a fear that, if we fail to adopt the likes of Kagawa and Eden Hazard early, their price could explode very quickly. For me, that’s far more of a factor with Kagawa: I believe he’s set to be a key player for United and our Fantasy lineups in his first season.

Granville says…
I’ve no doubt in my mind that Kagawa is straight into the starting line up on opening day, even though he’ll be away with his national squad just five days before the start of the season. He’s Sir Alex Ferguson’s marquee signing and the type of player United have been missing since Paul Scholes hit his mid 30’s. His pre-season form has been impressive.

The real burning question is where will he play and how will this impact his returns. United have traditionally played 4-4-2, but I feel that a central midfield role next to Carrick would be too limiting, especially against stronger sides, so mostly I see him pushed up into a 4-2-3-1 directly behind the striker. His position will change according to the opposition.

From what I’ve seen so far, he has a full range of ball skills, but crucially has the knack of ghosting into the box without a marker and this is going to offer him many scoring opportunities. 8.5 is underpriced, just as Antonio Valencia was last season, so get him from the start before everyone else does.

Stilicho says…
The only way I can see him having a decisive direct impact on mini-league races is if he gets off to a flier. Transfer priorities have a tendency to stack up quickly at the start of the season as our well-laid plans are rent asunder at the whim of our real-life managerial masters. With the Chelsea double Gameweek tempting even more complex forward transfer planning than usual at the outset of this campaign, an unplanned jump onto the “Kagawasaki” might seem too expensive a luxury to those with faltering double Gameweek forwards to offload.

Priced comfortably below the premium midfielders, the vast majority of Fantasy managers should have no problem drafting Kagawa into their squad once the early dust has settled, even assuming he’s pushing the 9.0 mark in the FPL game by the time they get around to it. If he cements a starting place under Sir Alex Ferguson he is likely to become a mainstay in many lineups, thus rendering his direct impact on mini-league races fairly minor.

However, if he performs well enough to cast doubts over the importance of Wayne Rooney in our Fantasy squads, his indirect effect could be considerable. With lots of cash freed up, plenty of tempting targets on our watchlists and an increasingly free hand in terms of captaincy, the FPL season could get very interesting very quickly.

Paul Says….
There’s no doubt he’s a fantastic talent but my one abiding concern over Shinji Kagawa is just how often Sir Alex Ferguson will play him in his preferred position. He excelled in “the hole” in Dortmund’s 4-2-3-1 last season and upon his arrival, went on record as saying he was looking to nail down the slot but he’s versatile enough to play on the left and, as we saw in United’s final pre-season friendly, has the potential to play in central midfield.

It’s possible that Ferguson has looked to Luka Modric’s impact at Spurs within a 4-4-2; the Croatian has proven that a slight, ball-carrying playmaker who can provide plenty creativity from deep is able to flourish within the Premier League. The United boss has also recently suggested he expects a strong season from Javier Hernandez and has handed Danny Welbeck a brand new contract – bearing in mind he is also intent on acquiring Robin Van Persie, I’m concerned over just where Kagawa will fit, though there’s no doubt he’ll feature plenty.

Factor in Antonio Valencia, Nani and Ashley Young to the midfield equation and there’s plenty to ponder ahead of the trip to Goodison on Monday evening. Kagawa’s 8.5 price certainly appeals and suggests he may be better value than the aforementioned trio, while his free-kick ability also helps – United’s Gameweek 2-4 schedule (FUL, sot, WIG) could well be enough to dispel my doubts and earn him a place in my team.

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  1. pdc
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    SO

    kagawa, podolski, giroud or gervinho? I can make room for one of the 4

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    1. pdc
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      or cazorla i suppose. tough choice!

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      1. mr gruber
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        I have kag pod and caz - hoping for a response from arsenal team!

        If only one, then I would say podolski.

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  2. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    who's gonna be the penalty taker? RVP is clearly better with them but I have my doubts that Rooney will let him take them.

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  3. Disco Stu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Howdy folks - Have been absent since the Euros ended, but so happy that FPL is back starting this weekend. Not many of us here in the States play so always thankful to these boards for your spot on advice.

    The game is played on Yahoo over here and the price structure and set up are a bit different than what you folks are used to playing. We have $100 to spend on 11 players, no bench players and no Captaincy.

    We can change our lineups every week with no penalties for transferring but prices fluctuate quite a bit more in our game and if you don't jump on someone who gets hot right away, they most likely be will be unaffordable.

    Here's what I've got for Week 1 and their prices.

    Fed(5.66)
    Cole(10.44) Vidic(8.58) Fabio(2.25)
    Kagawa(5.66) YaYa(8.75) Bale(21.36) Michu(5.66)
    Petric(7.16) Tevez(12.99) Torres(9.37)

    Still have 1.17 in the bank but can't see anyone that I could upgrade any of these guys to for that amount.

    Would love to hear anyone's thoughts on any of these guys who you do not think should be in the lineup.

    When guys like: Rooney24.58) RVP(28.73) Aguero(19.09) VDV19.23) DDG(14.76) Silva(14.29) Joe Hart(16.29) are priced at these salaries, you will better understand why I have none of them in my lineup

    Thanks again for all of the great advice you folks kick out to what feels like a lone EPL fan here in the States

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    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      😆

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    2. O Fenomeno
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Bale 21.36 😯

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      1. Disco Stu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        I could get Siggy for about 4 less and free up some more cash

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    3. GarthButchers
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      hey I'm playing too and my gw1 lineup has 9 dgw'ers.
      Might as well go for it I figure.

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      1. Disco Stu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Most of the time DGW players don't end up panning out that much better than non DGWers

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        1. Jonah
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 7 months ago

          They're normally worth about 4 points more on average, if they're a good player. Definitely never worth taking a hit to get or to get rid of afterwards.

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          1. Jonah
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 7 months ago

            *almost never (what a silly thing to say).

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          2. Disco Stu
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 7 months ago

            There are no "Hits" in the Yahoo game

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  4. OSGOOD WAS GOOD
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    What do you reckon lads and lasses
    DDG , FEDER,
    HANG, A COLE, CUELLAR,, LESCOTT,MACARTNEY
    YAYA, BALE, MCLEAN, PIENNAR,ALLEN,
    TORRES, TEVEZ, GRAHAM,

    PLUS A 2MILL SPARE MAYBE FOR ROONPIG

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    1. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      get Podolski 🙂

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      1. OSGOOD WAS GOOD
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        I thought of him but were do you think i should spend the extra mill.
        plus Pod is out gw 3

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    2. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      might want to consider having cash available for RVP as United fixtures are great and he might be more advanced than Rooney. personally I think with the number of chances United create, that RVP will score quite heavily. Don't think he would take long to settle either, as he is class and knows the Prem of course.

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      1. OSGOOD WAS GOOD
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        What about the rest of the team ,i wait for the score on RVP

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  5. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    This RVP move makes Kagawa a dodgy pick. Also Rooney's bonus points will be cut. Rooney also may play deeper.
    I suppose RVP is due an injury?

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    1. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Hehe. Yeah I'd say steer clear of most of Uniteds front 8 until we know who the regulars are. Safest bets at the moment are Valencia and Nani, who should get still get game time, but possibly more assists with RvP there.

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      1. Jonah
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        My gut instinct would be that Nani is more likely to assist Van Persie than Valencia is. Van persie loves a player running into the box, probably more so than down the wing.

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  6. COMH
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    You can have 4 United players if you get RVP in now can't you?

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    1. Namtab Nomolos
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Yes, as long as you don't need to transfer out anyone for GW3

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    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Yes but I think you are forced to get one out whenever you make your 1st transfer

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    3. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      i think so yes. dont think its easy to afford 4 though!

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    4. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Yes but it would only be a novelty. Having 4 is overkill.

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      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        And how the hell you gonna find the 4?

        You'll be broke 😆

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        1. Jonah
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 7 months ago

          Two defenders maybe, rotating them? Does seem a bit silly though.

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  7. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    This news puts me off having any United mids or forwards. Think Rooney might still be first priority. Don't see how United can hold onto Hernandez now after Welbeck just after signing a 5 year deal.

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    1. Sean
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Same,but you still need united cover,so annoying 🙁

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  8. Fernando Torres
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    A) Cech + Walker + Lescott
    B) Friedel + Kompany + A.Cole

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    1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      B for me

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    2. OSGOOD WAS GOOD
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      b

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  9. Sarnab
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Nothing new, we all know this::

    #Van Persie is the first player to transfer from Arsenal directly to Man United in EPL era (since 1992-93)...

    Still it's not sinking in that Van Persie will be wearing the Manutd Jersey.

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    1. Flavorito
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Already transferred him to United on FIFA. He does not look good in that kit.

      I know I'm just bitter.

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  10. Famous Mike
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Rvp bandwagon???

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    1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      im pretty tempted yes, only gw 2 onwards though

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  11. Optimus.
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    job done 😉

    jussi
    cole demel gunter
    guterie bale dyer mata
    rvp aguero torres

    bego puncheon cuellar clyne

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      First team ive seen with rvp in, oh the glory days are back indeed haha! i like the team btw 🙂

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        not my team just tried to fit in the new big 3 😉

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    2. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Peaking to soon Optimus, he's be sub cameo a best on Monday.

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        not my team just tried to fit in the big 3 😉

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  12. Just A Hat
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Valencia Kagawa Carrick Nani
    rvp rooney

    that is quite impressive...

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  13. Derailed Bandwagon
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    RVP - Get in my team 😉

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  14. Gargamel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Lukas frickin Podolski, get in my team son! Oh yeah

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    1. Bubbles
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Will he be on pens you think Garg, or Arteta maybe?

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      1. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Possibly. Took one against Cologne but Arteta wasn't on pitch. He might very well have them

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    2. Flavorito
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Oh yeah.

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    3. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      this is the route i'm taking lets roll

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    4. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      ^^^ this

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  15. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    RVP, well well.

    Feel terrible for Welbeck, terrible.

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    1. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Why? He just signed a new 75k a week contract, and he surely knew there was a good chance RvP would join. He chose the money rather than asking to be transferred.

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      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        He had a big season in him. Telling you, he did.

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    2. COMH
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      That's what the Carling Cup is for 🙂

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    3. A.T
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Why? He just signed a £ 75,000 a week contract ffs

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  16. Evs
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    On a separate non related topic....

    Gunter starts for Wales. So fit for gw1.

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    1. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      That's good, I brought in Gorkss because I wasn't sure. Back to Gunter now.

      Any chance there is another slot on that league of yours? And am I a regular enough poster to join yet? 😛

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      More good news 🙂

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  17. Fernando Torres
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    How would you spend 1.5M, Don’t say GK

    Team:
    Friedel
    Zabaleta Vidic A.Cole
    Mata Pienaar N’zogbia Bale
    Tevez Graham Torres

    Subs are all 4M and 4.5M but not looking to upgrade them... Anyone ha?

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  18. bangers and M*A*S*H
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Bent and Anton ferdy
    Or
    Petric and ivanovic

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    1. Trigg ⭐️
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Go for Bent, better to spend more on your strikers than your defence!

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  19. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Take off your tinted glasses... real life not FPL

    Who is best combo?

    Rooney and RVP or Aguero and Tevez?

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    1. SPorting
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      A & T at the moment.

      Fatman & Robin need to gel and find that click.

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    2. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Torres to outscore all 4

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    3. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Rooney + RVP.

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    4. Derailed Bandwagon
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Right now, Ag and Tev but in a few months time who knows. They'll all grab 15+ goals a piece imo.

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    5. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      i think rooney and RVP will be one of the best partnership in world football (as a 2 man attack) - Real obviously have Ronaldo/Higuain and Barca Messi/Villa but they're right up there.

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  20. J.Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Does this affect Gervinho's game time? He could be steal if starting in front three at 7.5!

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Over the course of the season, front 3 should be Podolski - Giroud - Walcott

      But Gervinho could play initially.

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  21. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    I personally think this deal is done so that Fergie can afford to keep Rooney/RVP fresh for the UCL.

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  22. sminkypinky
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Think of the Manchester derbys now. Fireworks.

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  23. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Kinda wish I had waited before I got Kagawa on the back of my shirt now.

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  24. pdc
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    i can see this affecting kagawa in 2 ways:
    1. Decrease in value if he's rotated through central midfield
    2. Increase in value as any ball he rolls near the net will now get smashed in by somebody

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  25. beric
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    A) Graham + Cazorla

    B) Podoslki + Michu

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  26. RD84
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Would this be a situation where they might alter player prices?

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    1. Sean
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      nope

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  27. COMH
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Just transferred in Vidic, Kagawa, RVP and Rooney. Just want to see 4 United big dogs in my team.

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  28. Kanus hat trick
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Treachery of the highest order. He has no respect for the Arsenal fans going to Utd of all places. I don't like to wish people ill but i won't shed a tear when he gets injured yet again

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    1. Djerbil
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      its ok..we are getting 22 mln for him..for a 29 year old striker who perhaps another 2 years of good football left in him..

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    2. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      could be an expensive commodity that upsets the balance of their team trying to fit in everyone

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    3. COMH
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      He wants to win trophies. He would get grief if he joined City or Chelsea anyway. And he shouldn't have to leave the country to be 'respectful' to Arsenal.

      If a club falls behind the pecking order and is no longer competing for silverware a player is well within his right to move on to a club who is.

      You wouldn't care if Arsenal signed a top player from a rival. You would be happy to benefit from such a signing. It's the nature of the beast.

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      1. Kanus hat trick
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 7 months ago

        Got to be the first Arsenal captain to go to a rival PL club and he says he loves the fans. I'd be shocked if a big club hadn't come in for him but he expressly wanted to go to Utd

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        1. COMH
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 7 months ago

          The fans have been great to him and he had a good rapport with them but he still doesn't need to avoid a club like United if that's where he wants to play football.

          If that was the case Rooney should never have left Everton for United or Sol Campbell leave Spurs for Arsenal.

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  29. EoinM
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Giroud or Podolski?

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    1. VougieDipond
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      podolski

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    2. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Giroud

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