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20 August 2012 2179 comments
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It’s the first Monday Night Football installment of the season, and we’re at Goodison Park to see Everton host Manchester United. The build-up to this game has surrounded around the arrival of Robin van Persie at Manchester United, and how he would feature this evening. The Dugout Discussion is open and the eagerly anticipated team news is in…

Everton XI: Howard, Hibbert, Baines, Distin, Jagielka, Neville, Osman, Fellaini, Pienaar, Gibson, Jelavic.

Man United XI: De Gea, Valencia, Vidic, Carrick, Evra, Cleverley, Kagawa, Scholes, Nani, Welbeck, Rooney.

Sir Alex Ferguson chooses to start just one of his two major signings, and it’s the Japanese playmaker Shinji Kagawa that makes his United debut. It’s a makeshift defence with Antonio Valencia and Michael Carrick filling the gaps. Robin van Persie starts on the bench.

As for the hosts, David Moyes names a familiar looking side, leaving new signing Steven Naismith on the bench.

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  1. Kanus hat trick
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    Can Arsenal bounce back- f**k off we drew- it was hardly a disaster FFS. As for Utd...crisis?

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    1. mufc802
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      Everton away arguably the hardest away fixture of the season..

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      1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
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        *ahem* Man City

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        1. itstimmehc
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          Who are they?

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    2. Setting the Toney
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      Sunderland at home and Everton away are two completely different games.

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      1. Pasqualinho
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        Except when it's Sunderland v Everton. Then it's the same game.

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        1. Shipstontrev
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          hehe

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        2. Setting the Toney
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          depends if it at goodison or stadium of light then 😀

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        3. The Bandit
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          Nice 🙂

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    3. Grounderz
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      Takes a mentality of a kid to ask if United in crisis. As for Arsenal, that IS the question for them.

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      1. _Freddo
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        Arsenal knocked 6 past Everton a couple of years ago so don't you worry about the strength of fixtures lad.

        Grounderz, you are obviously too thick to understand his point, Arsenal drew yet Spurs, Liverpool and now United all lose but the media dress Arsenals point as the terrible result.

        Get it now....? Need more time....?

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        1. Setting the Toney
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          If you havent had your eyes open recently Liverpool have been given a much more of a battering than Arsenal, and an equally as great battering will now be given to united by the bitters

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          1. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
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            Liverpool are a top 7 team though, little expectation of them to do much of anything by people with much sense. Manchester United are always contenders for the title, Arsenal haven't been outside of the Top 4 in an age which means there is a greater expectation of results.

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    4. Kanus hat trick
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      Can u not tell i'm being sarcastic? Just saying this because the media come out and say AFC in crisis after a draw! Utd will go close to winning the league no question

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    5. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
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      Arsenal drawing at home isn't a disaster just as Manchester United losing away isn't. Been a tough bunch of opening fixtures for the 'top teams' as is represented in the league table.

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    6. Naboo
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      To be fair away at Everton is a much harder fixture than at home to Sunderland

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      1. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
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        But both are fixtures the top teams in full swing would expect to take full points away from. It's the different reactions to similar-scale results which has disconcerted this poor Arsenal fan.

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        1. Kanus hat trick
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          Get over it, i was taking the piss

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        2. Kanus hat trick
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          Get over it, i was taking the p**s

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      2. threeputt
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        then you dont know much about the mentality MONs teams have. I, however am now £40 richer by backing the draw 🙂

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  2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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    Evening lads

    well done Everton, took a chance well and worked hard to keep it. Valencia at rb was the wrong call, as Nani was 7 shades of shit (and is off my wanted list) and his corner taking has actually gotten worse, didn't think that was possible. if you bought Vidic for his goal threat, get rid, we have to actually be able to get a corner into the danger area to be dangerous from them.

    On another note, is the Fellaini bandwagon up and running? That's one I'm tempted by.

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    1. An Púca
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      Fergie has a lot of questions to answer tonight, the way he laid out that team

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      1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
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        I think Moyes just read his tactics perfectly and set up accordingly. Fellaini away from Vidic to bully the defence physically and jelly dragging him about. Everything else was close down and pass short and fast, just don't make stupid mistakes.

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    2. Valar(Keith)
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      Rafael wagon. I cannot imagine Valencia bein wasted at RB again. Question is Rooney or RVP

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      1. Grimmaldi - Send in the Clo…
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        It's a question I don't want to approach until gw3 if I'm honest. Both looked rather poor tonight.

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    3. Declan
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      Pienaar FTW

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      1. Valar(Keith)
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        +1 ..

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      2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        nah, if Fellaini continues in that role he'll get double figures this season, truly immense today

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        1. sotothemightygreek
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          Will he continue there though? Naismith will come in at some stage.

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      3. Johnny Postman
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        +1 he had some chances and played OK - I'm happy for the 3 points. Though Fellaini was a monster today.

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    4. Kanus hat trick
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      They battered Utd until they scored- created loads of chances. If they play like this they could get top 4

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      1. Declan
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        And if Utd play like that, they'll get relegated.

        Perspective

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      2. Granville
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        Delusional. No chance of top 4, they won't play with that intensity every week.

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        1. Kanus hat trick
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          I said "if they play like this" didn't i, not saying they will! No one expected Newcastle to do well as well last year though. Everton can't afford injuries with that small squad though

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          1. threeputt
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            at least Everton decided to start the season in August for a change, gives them more hope

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    5. Lateriser 12
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      Kagawa looked immense.

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      1. Kagawa-san-mia
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        +1

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      2. elkunaguero
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        The new David Silva

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      3. Munsoned
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        joking, right?

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      4. Messi & fabregas
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        immense? u mean ok? what immense did he do? shots on target? lets not exaggerate

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    6. Setting the Toney
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      +infinite for Nani. The guy gives me nightmares about his inconsistency, his arrogance, his knack of being poor when we need him. I would have sold him years ago just to get him out

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      1. aflickering
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        +1

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      2. Granville
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        I've been saying this for a number of years now.

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    7. Sir_Dunc
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      Valencia actually played well, kept Pienaar quiet all night.

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  3. Valar(Keith)
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    Surely...
    Valencia will play in midfield next game. lord knows they need someone who can cross
    Nani too wasteful. doubt he'll start next game.
    Rafael will play RB so Valencia can play in mid
    Cleverly won;'t start the next game

    Or am i wrong on all counts?

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah Valencia rw, Rafa rb (he was on my bench today anyway) Nani was f'n awful. Clevs wasn't that bad actually/

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    2. Kagawa-san-mia
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      cleverly wasnt bad imo

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    3. ajsobers
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      Not sure about Valencia.

      Nani was horrible but Young isn't much better. He may get the default start because of the injuries in the defense.

      Cleverly should start. He and Kagawa were quite good today.

      I'm wondering if Welbeck will be dropped for RVP.

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    4. Valar(Keith)
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      as long as Rafael plays RB i'm happy.

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    5. In Tommy We Trust
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      Na, spot on in my eyes.

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    6. Timmy Cahill Rules
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      united wingers are a mine field stay clear IMO

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  4. Sᴄʜᴜ̈RRʟᴇ ⓝ
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    Van-Per-Sie
    When you've done feck all
    Def-ector!

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  5. sambyy
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    Kagawa was so good. Loved his movement and passing

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    1. Kagawa-san-mia
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      this ^^^

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    2. Grounderz
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      ^This.

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    3. Valar(Keith)
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      effortless..

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      1. Messi & fabregas
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        i agree but he seems like a good passer

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    4. Munsoned
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      simple 5 yard passes?

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    5. Johnny Postman
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      +1 he either took or setup most of their scoring chances.

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  6. Seal
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    ridiculous from utd, no creativity what so ever. they can sign as many world class strikers as they want but if you dont make decent chances you dont score.... also it helps if you have a defense

    kagawa was amazing, a level above every other utd player. he was on a different wave length, unfortunately no one else could keep up with him.

    fair play to everton though, they worked their socks off

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  7. Gnubuntu
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    Marouane Fellaini of Sparta?

    Game was a bit like a cup final. imo.

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  8. Voice of the Mysterons
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    Any news on Aguaro?

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  9. isacki: full casual
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    Can't resist saying I predicted a 1-0 win for Everton (though I got the goalscorer wrong) http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2012/08/20/the-technical-area-analysing-laudrups-swansea/comment-page-6/#comment-3686036

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    1. Grounderz
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      😆 You overlooked Fellaini!

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        I won't with my transfers 😉

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  10. thetinkerman
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    8 clean sheets out of 10 games, certainly worth keeping an eye on, especially since forwards have scored badly this GW.

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    1. Corrigan
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      My thoughts exactly. No cleanies from the Mancs either. That 5 range still looks excellent so I may just stick with them.

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  11. Parm
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    Sh*tter of the match....Luis 'Can't cross a ball' Nani.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      awful, just awful, his corner taking has actually gotten worse, it doesn't even beat the first man's head anymore, it hits his shins. Just awful. Young will start next game, or they will move Valencia to rw and bring Rafa in.

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      1. Lateriser 12
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        On the positive note, what a player shinji is.

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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          yeah looked good today, did he give the ball away? Carrick at cb killed us, robbed us of our best passer, and Fellaini just bullied him

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    2. Sarnab
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      Sure..

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  12. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
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    I salute Everton. For all United's money, as the big clubs get richer and richer, supported by glory hunters whom have probably never been to Manchester, and for all the hype and United's chequebook, spirit, determination and battling qualities win through yet again. Well done, from a Wimbledon fan.

    United deserved sod all, and that is what they got. Justice.

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  13. Bøwstring The Carp
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    Super result for Everton. Makes the whole transfer business a lot tougher though 😕

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    1. Kostja
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      I love it, now many people wont get rooney and casuals could even get rid. Aguero to Rooney now.

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      1. GREENDREAMS11
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        I loved it more when you were shouting about more points for DDG at half time. 😉

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    2. Parm
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      Away at Everton is arguably one of the toughest fixtures for the opening day...

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      1. Kostja
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        yeah horrible for fantasy as well.

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      2. Bøwstring The Carp
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        Yea, starting to lean towards RVP now over Rooney... made a difference in United's play when he came on. Might give the defence a miss til the squad is fit.

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    3. The Bandit
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      Easier imo.... Torres stays

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  14. Milan
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    Great game for Everton. Felainni looked fantastic, totally destroyed ManU.

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  15. _Freddo
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    How fat did Rooney look? He gets paid 250k a week, he should not be that fat.

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    1. Parm
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      I'd like to see how fat you are...and how talented you are...

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      1. Baines on Toast...
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        and i sincerely doubt he's paid as much money as rooney.

        even if he puts the weight on when off season that's fair enough, but the amount of work he should be doing as a footballer should see it burned off easily by the time the season starts.

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      2. _Freddo
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        Haha. What a plum. Is he your girlfriend?

        How cute.

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    2. ajsobers
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      Maybe he is that fat because he's on 250k a week 🙂

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  16. The Bandit
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    Good job Everton never start well.....

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  17. Baines on Toast...
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    think i'm gonna avoid united for another week, can see a solid 2-0 but no mammoth scores

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    1. Ryan
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      • 14 Years
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      +1

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  18. Mílanista
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    So... Michu to Felliani?

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    1. Bøwstring The Carp
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      😆 even those who took a hit to get Michu in will take a hit to get him out for Fellaini 😛

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      Lampard to Fellaini

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    3. Park the bus
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      haha brilliant shout

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  19. Gaz Downright
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    Saw the replay again now.

    If Wellbeck had done his job, he might have cleared that. He should stay on the inside of the post.

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    1. Xabi
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      rubbish

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  20. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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    Best midfielder for 9.0? I already have Cazorla

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    1. Gavin - Gers in turmoil!!!
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      Nasri, Kagawa or get on the Fellani train (he looked immense)

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      anyone but Nani

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      1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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        and young

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    3. Fifa las vegas
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      Kagawa, united will have to bounce back against Fulham and Kagawa is going to rack up the assists this season

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    4. Lateriser 12
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      Shinji Kagawa.

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    5. Darth
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      Kagawa for slightly less at 8.5

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  21. Corrigan
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    Intoxicating game. Happy with how Pienaar looked. Everton in general look great and I can see them using this as a springboard for the top 5. Maybe a touch early to guage, but seeing as Newcastle have Europa distractions and Spurs, Arsenal and Pool look out of sorts they could be right in the thick of it.

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    1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      Fellaini is majorly tempting

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  22. SC not pearls before swine
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    So if I can't afford Rooney/RvP and already have Tevez, who's the best replacement for Aguero?
    Assuming he's going to miss a few games, I don't think I can stomach 11.5 million on the bench this early in the season.

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    1. IamIronMike
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      13 years, 7 months ago

      Whoever is up front to Tottenham

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  23. Taribo West on a free
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    I cannot help but smile at the thought of Van Persie getting a hairdryer.

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    1. paddym25
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      haha!

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  24. Ramboros
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    Is TotalFPL reliable when it says that Agüero only has lost 54,3% of the required ownership to get a price fall? Want to wait as long as possible before I swap him out.

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  25. Kukkuu
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 7 months ago

    Now Mata & Torres...worth to take 4 hit to Kagawa & Persie?

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    1. Fifa las vegas
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      Kagawa yes, but not yo sure about persie yet

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  26. Charlie Bronze
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    Lessons not learned from last season for United. Fellaini bullied them at Old Trafford and he bullied them here. Granted not being able to field Ferdinand and perhaps, Jones, as a physical counter was unfortunate. United looked dozy though. Kagawa was the only player who looked sharp.

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    1. Gaz Downright
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      • 15 Years
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      Dembele to bully them next week?

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    2. Licky
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      Scholes couldn't control the game, thay need to replace him.

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  27. An Púca
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    Calling Celtic fans.....Ki Sung-Yueng supposed to be going to Swansea...where does he play in MF?

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    1. Bøwstring The Carp
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      Where Britton is IMO

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    2. Kings of Lyon ★
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      CM not a great FPL option

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    3. Park the bus
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      can play as a deep lying playmaker but has played in behind the striker in the odd european game. decent set piece taker, although dont think ever score direct from one. more of a link man than anything, definitely not in the mould of britton though.

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  28. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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    With the exception of Kagawa (who put in some good slide rule passes), the United attack was very poor. Credit to Everton's defence though, they looked pretty robust and well organised.

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  29. dillydally1982
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    So are people replacing Aguero before he drops in price tonight? If so, with who? Rooney/RVP? Defoe? Tevez?

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    1. Kostja
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      Rooney for me

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  30. Evs
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    • 16 Years
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    Right. I know we take the p*ss out of Rooney calling him fat and that in the past but come on he's not really fat is he?

    However, did you see the state him tonight?!

    He as well overweight, puffing like he's smoking 40 a today and his ars*.... Well his ars* was like the back end of a London double decker bus. The porkie tw4t !!!

    I'm keeping my £2m in bank, playing Torres and bringing in defoe someone, or anyone or no one.

    Jeeeeezzzzzz....

    (rant over)

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    1. Gnubuntu
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 7 months ago

      Was like that in the final England game during the Euros.

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      1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
        • 15 Years
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        That is right -- he looked all red and sweaty, a bit too portly for a professional playing in the Euros. It looked like he'd been out all night on the sauce, and was thrown into a football game.

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