634x258 The Stock Check
9 December 2012 1759 comments
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Dramatic late goals won the day at the Etihad and Goodison Park as Robin Van Persie and Wayne Rooney fetched returns once more. With Liverpool scoring three times without Luis Suarez, Sunday brought us plenty of goals as defences faltered yet again. Here’s the Stock Check on Sunday’s events…

On the Up

Wayne Rooney
Back in Monday’s digest we mentioned that Rooney’s role in today’s game would be of major interest. Having prompted his striker to score more goals, Sir Alex Ferguson kept him free of midfield duties and allowed Rooney to push up with Robin Van Persie with devastating effect. Two superbly executed goals followed – Rooney’s second consecutive brace which seemed all set to revive the Rooney vs Van Persie debate again, only for the Dutchman to deliver a telling blow at the death to calm the argument.

Nikica Jelavic
The Croatian has been a major disappointment so far this term, having shown encouraging form early on. Today’s dramatic late winner was only his second goal in nine league starts but David Moyes will be hopeful that it sparks a revival in Jelavic’s form. Like fellow goalscorer, Steven Pienaar, interest in Jelavic has been dented severely by the incredible returns of Marouane Felliani from midfield.

Clint Dempsey
The American is perhaps scant replacement for Gareth Bale but his deflected goal today gives Dempsey returns in four consecutive league matches, having fetched assists in his last three. Even so, Dempsey’s starting role will be under threat once Bale returns now that Emmanuel Adebayor is fit and in contention.

Glen Johnson
He’d offered plenty threat all season without quite producing but Johnson took the opportunity to break his scoring duck with a sensational long-range effort against his former club. With three strong home games in the next five, Johnson could be set for investment in light of the Reds’ superb Anfield record in recent games. Jose Enrique’s injury could also help his cause.

Mark Noble
While Kevin Nolan continues to stumble, Noble’s spot-kick duties came to the rescue to help him to his first Fantasy returns since Gameweek 8. His 5.0 price heightens his appeal as a cheap fifth midfielder for those eyeing up the Hammers assets when their schedule finally improves.

Going Down

Carlos Tevez
With Mario Balotelli partnering Sergio Aguero, Tevez started the match on the bench for the third time in the last four Gameweeks. While City are out of Europe, it’s clear that Roberto Mancini is set to rotate his strikers as he searches for a cutting edge – Tevez looks to be down the pecking order, although his owners will hope that an impressive appearance from the bench may have convinced Roberto Mancini and improved Tevez’s security of starts.

Vincent Kompany
Replaced on 20 minutes with a reported groin injury, while Kompany’s stock takes a dent, his potential absence could now further cement the starting role of Matija Nastisic in the City back four, whilst bringing Joleon Lescott and even Kolo Toure into the frame. City will be disappointed by conceding the two Rooney strikes in the first half but, before today, Mancini’s side had conceded just three goals in their last nine league matches. Any absence for Kompany will doubtless reduce City’s potential for clean sheets, however. Mancini hinted post match that it could be a setback for his skipper, whilst stating that Yaya Toure’s injury was “just a kick”.

Jonny Evans
Another defensive casualty, Evans departed early on in the second-half having picked up a first half hamstring problem according to his manager. Regardless of the prognosis, with Nemanja Vidic close to a return to league action, Evans’ start is now under threat and his Fantasy owners may well be forced to consider an exit plan. Vidic’s return can’t come soon enough for Sir Alex Ferguson – his defence has now kept just a single clean sheet in nine league matches.

Kevin Mirallas
The Belgian made a welcome return to the fray for Everton, lending his lively attacking runs to the right flank, only to aggravate the hamstring injury that had kept him out for several weeks to be forced off at half-time.

Jose Enrique
Subbed off after just 26 minutes due to a hamstring injury, the Spaniard’s owners will be sweating over his fitness ahead of an enticing schedule. With Enrique once again fielded at left-back, a straight swap for Johnson could be on the cards if he is ruled out for any length of time for those who have the funds.

Kevin Nolan
Today’s blank continued a poor run of form for the Hammers skipper after a superb start to the campaign. With just one goal in his last eight matches, many Fantasy managers will be looking elsewhere for mid-price options, though the Hammers have admittedly had a difficult schedule of late and Nolan has too much top-flight savvy to be written off entirely.

West Ham’s Defence
Having kept out City and conceded just one to United and Chelsea in recent matches, the odds looked good of a clean sheet, with Luis Suarez banned for the visitors. Sam Allardyce will be more than disappointed after Jussi Jaaskelainen conceded three times – with two clean sheets in their last 12 now, the Hammers look far from convincing at the back.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. df34
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    • 13 Years
    13 years, 6 hours ago

    Updating

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  2. Bad Seed
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 6 hours ago

    will the bap fairy bless sterling with baps?

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    1. GYM JUNKIE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      maybe 2.

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  3. GYM JUNKIE
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    13 years, 6 hours ago

    😀

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  4. Declan-
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    13 years, 5 hours ago

    The liverpool win was as unexpected as the sopranos ending :0

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    1. shegull
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      I'd rather say that the sopranos ending was confusing not unexpected

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  5. Laserface
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 hours ago

    54-4 .. berbs,,cuellar and federici to go .. red or green ?

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Green obviously

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    2. Pinoche
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Green for now.

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    3. df34
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      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Green,well done.

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  6. Piggs Boson
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    13 years, 5 hours ago

    I've solved the Rooney vs RVP debate... get both. Also, thank you G.Johnson 😀

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    1. Alton E.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Don't forget Raheem!

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Yes, he's quite the bargain. Not the best of players but his OOP and price makes him fantastic. Also, his rotation with Puncheon is divine.

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    2. Declan-
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      13 years, 5 hours ago

      I would if i could

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    3. Conal_H
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Absolutely wrecks my team then though. Suppose I could say goodbye to Santi

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        It's not too damaging.

        Foster/Bego
        Johnson Rafa (Nelson Davies Clyne)
        Walcott Michu Fellaini (Sterling Puncheon)
        Rooney RVP Aguero

        Just get Sterling and Puncheon imo.

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        1. Conal_H
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Incredible team value you have there. I missed the Sterling train so I may have to look elsewhere for my midfield value

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        2. subzero
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          weakest mid field I have seen in ages

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    4. SnoopDogSmokesWeed
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      +1 Fletcher to Rooney for me

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  7. The3rdTurd
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 hours ago

    Some thoughts on whether RvP justifies a £2m price premium over Rooney...

    To hit 2000 points overall for the season, RvP has to average 7.3 points per week to justify an investment of £13.8m (6.8 ppw if you got him at his starting price of £13m). Rooney, by contrast only needs to score 6.2 ppw to justify his £11.8m cost.

    It might not sound like much, but that's a difference of 42 points over the season by which RvP has to outscore Rooney to justify that price premium - equivalent to 10 goals or 14 assists (or 5 goals, 5 assists and 7 baps if you prefer).

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    1. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Consider also that:

      - Rooney is on pens. ManU average 7.2 penalties awarded over the last 5 seasons (5.6 scored), equivalent to a 19 point advantage for Rooney.
      - With RvP needing 6.8 ppw to justify a £13m investment, even a game like today's, with a goal and 6-point haul, is not enough.
      - RvP is currently averaging 6.4 ppw and Rooney 5.8 (if you ignore the 4 games he was out for). Extrapolate that over the rest of the season and that's only 13 points by which RvP outscores Rooney.
      - excluding his 2 pens, RvP barely averaged 6.8 ppw last season, in what was considered a breakout fantasy year in a team where most of the forward play went through him
      - £2m saved from downgrading RvP to Rooney is enough to upgrade from say, Jelavic to Suarez or Gibbs to Baines (OK I accept most RvP owners bought him at less than £13.8m so wouldn't get the full £2m if they did this move).
      - Rooney is registering more shots on target than RvP per 90 minutes played, both home and away. Rooney is also edging shots in the box at home.
      - Rooney is creating more chances per minute played than RvP, and has 7 assists to RvP's 4.

      Give me the counter-arguments folks, my gut feel still says keep RvP.

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      1. Hazmat
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Rooney has stupid hair

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      2. Men who stare at Gotze
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        I think the big difference is that RVP offers consistency while Rooney offers flashes of brilliance.

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      3. Warbling Wendy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        What other premium priced striker are you going to invest the cash in? Just because RVP doesn't (arguably) offer the same Value as Rooney, he will still score big points, which is what the game is about.

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Michu and Fellaini, and the Sterling/Puncheon combo means that we have more than enough cash to get both. Maximise your points through your forwards imo. Get the 'value players' for the defence and midfield.

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      1. Catastrophe
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Agree

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      2. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Not sure getting both of them is a good idea.

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      3. The3rdTurd
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        £25m locked up in the same forward line? hmmm... that'll sting when they get the inevitable blank week.

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    3. Home Run Baker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Don't forget the other side of the equation. If you save the 2m, you have to re-invest it in away that gets you the additional points. That may not be so easy.

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  8. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 hours ago

    i disagree that tevez is on the down, mancini is left 6 points behind and will surely need to start him now even more to ensure they dont fall further behind. he's well rested too.

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    1. matthewhagon
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        +32

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      • Mark
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        • 18 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Yeah, it was a close call. He transformed the game but quotes on Balotelli post match tells us that Mancini hasn't given up on him. More in notes tomorrow.

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      NEW POST!

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      1. COMH
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Same old Chu

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    3. Alton E.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      jose enrique sanchez ‏@jose3enrique3

      Great fuc.. Spirit from the team great 3 points and really deserve it them. Now try to be fit for next week. Have a good night

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Good news for owners.

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      2. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        at least its not long term then

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        1. Alton E.
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Great fuc..

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          1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 5 hours ago

            im not sure on the fuc abbreviation... what's it mean? i thought something else 😛

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            1. Alton E.
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 5 hours ago

              No idea.. Only Jose knows..

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            2. COMH
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 5 hours ago

              He obviously found something to do while the game was being played.

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      3. Scroobius Mac
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Good its not long term, bad as I'm short on numbers if he isn't fit.

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      4. Mark
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        • 18 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Nice find...

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    4. Conal_H
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      RVP > Rooney, then Berb > Torres next week sure is tempting

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    5. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      And now for the X Factor, then bonus points 🙂

      What more could a girl ask for?

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      1. Mark
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        • 18 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Yeah, but don't post XFactor updates...I was watching last night's 40 minutes behind and some comments here almost ruined it for me.

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    6. jamsiep
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      What to do with Aguero?

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      1. Scroobius Mac
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Keep until RDG at least.

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        1. jamsiep
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Where he'll undoubtedly be rested.

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    7. lfcserg
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      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Is having both puncheon and sterling overkill?

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      1. jamsiep
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        hahaha, how is that overkill?!

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      2. COMH
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        No they are both good options and cheap. You don't need 4 big hitters in midfield to feel like you have a great team.

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    8. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Feeling a bit vulnerable with no Man U cover next week.

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    9. Federico
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Best Cuellar replacement for 5.6?

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      1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        shawcross but his fixtures are pretty poor. maybe an arsenal defender till january.

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        1. Federico
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          So Arsenal defence over City?

          Was considering Nastasic/Clichy.

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          1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 5 hours ago

            oh yeah city too. i wouldn't touch them myself though, especially clichy as city will rotate in this december period.

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      2. Wej
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Gibbs?

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        1. Federico
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Yes, good option.
          He's on my watchlist for sure.

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    10. joinho
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Roughly what time will baps be out?

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      1. Mark
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        • 18 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Mmm...I'd say 8ish...I didn't see anything that would cause reviews of footage.

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        1. joinho
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Collio

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          1. joinho
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 5 hours ago

            *Coolio

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        2. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          shelvey goal might delay it - they gave it to him but apparently was an OG

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    11. mgrea
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      46... ranked 240k

      Green or red?

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      1. df34
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Green 🙂

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        1. mgrea
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Fooking hope so!

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    12. Drip Doctor
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Why is it that everyone who has cracking fixtures coming up gets injured. First Bale, then Walcott, now Enrique. Shit this.

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      1. Mark
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        • 18 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Yep, we're relying on Liverpool being candid with updates...they are normally pretty good but that tends to be with key players like Gerrard and Suarez.

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 hours ago

          Hope he makes it, it's not a transfer i want to waste. Having a bad run of gameweeks compared to my main rivals.

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    13. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Gallas vs Caulker

      Gallas is club captain so should be nailed on for most matches.

      Caulker since getting into the side has played 90 minutes every time he's been available. He missed out on the Arsenal and Liverpool game presumably because of injuries, right? He wasn't on the bench even so I assume this was the case.

      How nailed on would you say Caulker is? And were his injuries confirmed?

      Thanks for any replies.

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        I reckon they'll both be rotated over xmas. They aren't exactly keeping clean sheets either.

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      2. Scroobius Mac
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Gallas isn't club captain, Dawson is. It means nothing.

        Caulker is first choice but not nailed on. When Benny is fit he'll play more games than Daws or Gallas but they'll still get games.

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      3. Mr. Perfectionist
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Yes his injuries were confirmed. Quite nailed on for me. Even when BAE returns i think we will see him pair up with vertonghen at CB. I'll try and get him in this week.

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      4. the axolotl
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        don't know if kaboul is near a return but i'd say he'll come back in when fit. also whenever BAE comes back, vertonghen presumably goes back to CB. Personally think caulker is a bit of a risk, but could work short term

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    14. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      fletcher to giroud - is that too much of a gamble. surely he's got to score against the opposition they have in the next 5! otherwise he is proper pants

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    15. Mindless Freak
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      What's point of updating before BAPS because they'll have to update again?

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    16. smash
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      So is Rafael considered a safe option again, already have him but was looking at taking him out, happy to keep if he's playing - need to replace Enrique instead if injury is serious?

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      1. The3rdTurd
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        Still conceding though. I'd want more cleanies for my ££

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    17. New Ghost
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Just woke up. Another great win by United.

      Oh, and...

      Captain America!!!

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    18. Catastrophe
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      So Suarez or ba out for Rooney? Ba has been great value but he's not essential and Newcastle looking poor.

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    19. Mr Wizard
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Can't see why tevez's stock would be going down after coming off the bench and changing the game while assisting two. Especially with ballotelli's embarrassing performance.

      What's everyone doing with bale? Dempsey?

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      1. heartsattack
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        It's gone up. For the short term at least Aguero, Tevez and Dzeko are competing for 2 places.

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    20. heartsattack
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Would Cazorla to a cheap mid and Berb to Rooney be daft for -4 ?

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    21. lfcserg
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Puncheon is set to come on for me to replace azpi when will that be updated after the fulham game or the reading v sunderland game.

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      1. RoysCallerAnne
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 hours ago

        End of the GW, so Tue night.

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    22. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Mancini and a few Arsenal rejects have a lot to answer for today...

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    23. GYM JUNKIE
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 hours ago

      Surprised RVP has not been injured yet. Utd physio's doing a good job.

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