[sbu_large_image] Opinion
25 March 2013 837 comments
Mark Mark
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Fluctuating player prices are here to stay, of that I am pretty certain. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game benefits from the extra dimension they bring, helping to separate the game from its rivals. Others seem to lack a significant layer of strategy without such a feature and, when Fantasy managers are able to construct replica squads, with fixed player prices, this simply adds to mid-season and end of season templates which frustrate and kill the enthusiasm in a mini-league chase.

Having said all this, like most elements of our Fantasy games and the FPL game in particular, there is merit in examining how efficiently the system works – how it governs the decisions of Fantasy managers and consider that, perhaps, there are flaws to be ironed out or improvements that can be made.

My greatest bugbear with the current system in the FPL is that I’ve always felt that insight – the forward thinking involved in acquiring a player that hits form – is punished due to the loss of funds associated with selling that player on at a later date. For my mind, the 50% lost as a result of selling a player that has risen a million or so, becomes a huge factor that can pray on the mind of a Fantasy manager. This can cause hesitation and deliberation that ultimately hands an advantage to those who are able to be more agile in their thinking because a loss of funds is not such an issue to them.

The current situation with Michu is a prime example. Currently priced at 8.4, those Fantasy managers who bought him in early around his initial valuation of 6.5 will now be faced with losing over a million as a result of shipping him out. Arguably, Michu’s form has warranted action for some time but, undoubtedly, the funds lost will have played on the minds of those who have held him for a good while; perhaps not so much at this stage in the season but it may have been a factor in weeks gone by.

Those who had more flexibility because they got Michu later, or perhaps have a smaller sum to lose, have had the advantage here. They can make their decision on the Spaniard without a significant loss of funds being an issue and react quicker to another player in form.

The counter argument is often “well you earned his points early on – that’s your reward”. The problem here is that I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be rewarded without being handed any disadvantage later down the line. Of course I should earn the points benefit for getting Michu early but why should this be partially balanced out by the issue of inflexibility caused by a severe loss of funds later in the season? Why should I be punished at all? My foresight surely should have gained me a win-win situation.

It’s very easy to isolate such potential flaws without putting forward solutions and, while it seems likely that this situation will remain unaddressed, it doesn’t stop me considering a number of routes that could be explored that would remove this penalty for far-sighted Fantasy managers. For starters, there could be a ruling that 100% of the price increase is gained back on players sold that were in your initial squad lineup. This would suitably reward Fantasy managers for identifying players that would go on to become leading assets over the course of the season.

This may, of course, throw the balance of the game out considerably, so how about the option to lock down a limited number of players? Perhaps contracts that could be assigned to a player in each position that you select that will always reward 100% value when you next sell them on. This would introduce a new strategic element – allowing Fantasy managers to back a handful of their squad selections, making them immune to the 50% drop.

Admittedly, I’m a Fantasy manager that often deliberates and procrastinates, a flaw that holds me back. However, the potential loss of funds from selling a player becomes a factor that only compounds this chink in my armour. While I recognise that I should be braver as a Fantasy manager and it’s perhaps this that is preventing me from breaking into the very top ranks, I’m convinced that the game mechanics associated with price rises exacerbates my problem. Maybe if I could make 100% back on Michu, I’d have sold him weeks ago and brought in Moussa Sissoko earlier and caught his points. In fact, that’s probably highly likely.

At times over the season, I feel punished for having made the right decision on a player early and have to sit back and watch other Fantasy managers enjoy more freedom with their squads – freedom which often leads to them make up the points I originally gained from my early foresight. With the points in the bag, I should be as free as them, as flexible, to make the same decisions. Basically, I should have my cake and eat it: I’ve earned it.

Price rises are surely here to stay and will continue to enrich our Fantasy experience but, for this Fantasy manager, there remains an injustice at play.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Damo.
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 23 days ago

    Quality.

    Same boat as you man. Thinking of a new strategy for next year too. Been floating around the rankings for ages now not really going one way or the other. With the increase in traffic on here, making a jump early will see the jump up in ranking imo. Otherwise you're just gonna do it when many others on here are anyway.

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  2. Fray Bentos
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 23 days ago

    Would the FPL introduce a new system that really only benefits hardcore/ minority of players? The chances of this are small, especially when this would only result in those with early leads increasing them and making it harder for everyone else to play catch up which in turn would only lead to more casual players giving up when they see the cluded up guy at the top of the table with a 200 point lead by Christmas. if it aint broke don’t fix it?

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    1. Back to Back Ballacks
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 23 days ago

      I tend to agree with this.

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  3. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 23 days ago

    i agree with the post, is there no way to suggest this an improvement to FPL? if enough of us were behind they would have to at least hear it out surely? that german concept for the bundesliga game sounds great.

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  4. Me English is improooving .…
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 23 days ago

    I never take into account player's value when transferring in or out players . I just go for form & fixtures. Who gives a damn??

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    1. MCH
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 23 days ago

      Mark does.

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    2. J0E
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 23 days ago

      You should consider it. Having a great team value at the end of the season is a sound move. It means you can worry less about price then as your team will be worth a good few million more than your rivals.

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      1. Me English is improooving .…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        +1 Will consider it next season 😉

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  5. JT's Dog
      13 years, 23 days ago

      weird now that this article has got pages moving back at normal rate i kinda miss the long conversation of slow pages

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      1. MCH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Yeh it really has created some chatter!

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        1. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Sorry, missed your comments last night about the boards league!
          Can't believe it's you on my tail! Would be a great league to win, I was 2nd in Jan for M.o.M,
          Siggy Stardust pipped me to the 100E. 🙁
          Think I'm only 1 of 2/3 with WC left in top ten, do you have yours?

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Ha yeh some coincidence! As I say the only one i've really looked at is the Barrys Travel one I am in. Some good players on boards it would be a very good one to win!

            Yeh still have my wildcard too should prove to make a big difference with the doubles coming up annoyed to hear you have yours too!!

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            1. Back to Back Ballacks
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              😆

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    • J0E
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 23 days ago

      While I hate the feeling the dread I have in dumping a player I'm losing a heap of money on I also love that aspect of the game. When I dumped RVP for Rooney recently it was a real sweaty palm moment especially with the loss of a bit of money. Made the move much more exciting though, although arguably not as exciting as getting 18 pts from puddin lad's arm band compared to RVP's armband score of 4.

      I loved ditching Sterling at his peak after getting him before most people at 4.5m ....whatever happens this season I'll bask in the glow of that move.

      Michu and Mata are now my next big decisions....going to lose a bit but could be worth it.

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      1. heco87
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        RVP for the chop over here... feels good to break those shackles?

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      2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Unless you plan on getting the player back at some point you aren't really losing anything. It's all profit

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        1. J0E
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          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Ah, but I'll want RVP back for a Man Utd double, just not before....its a balance between getting points before that though. I gambled that Rooney will get more points prior to that double than RVP....so far I'm 14 pts up on the deal.

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Yeah same here with regards to RVP. I sold and then brought him back in at an inflated price. But Michu, if you sold him now you could probably do without for the rest of the season imo

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            1. J0E
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              • 16 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              true....also his double is so late in the season that there'll be more value in those with something to fight for. If Man Utd have won the league by then rotation is going to really effect that squad.

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      3. Fratboy
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I loved ditching Sterling too actually, that's a good point. Michu, Mata AND RVP are now my next deliberations. I do feel like I've left them all too long now...

        I think when you've kept someone so long, the only way you can justifiable transfer out is with a "goodbye haul".

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    • Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 23 days ago

      Sorry, not loosing this one on the bottom of the last page, as I think it clarifies the money situation a lot.......

      I think you’re wrong though, and can demonstrate it.

      Once upon a time there were two managers.

      The first was clever and insightful (lets call him Mark) and he bought Michu early at 6.6m.
      The second was lazy and feckless (lets call him Granville) and bought Michu long after his ship had sailed at 7.4 m

      If Michu is now worth 8.4m, it appears that Mark now has 7.5m to spend on a new player whereas Granville has 7.9m to spend.

      However benig a virtuous young man, Mark has the 0.8m he saved on the initial purchase price prudently invested in a non-Cypriot bank, meaning that he actually has 8.3m to spend on a new player as opposed to Granville’s 7.9m

      Of course, that 0.8 m could now have been frtitered away on a brand new Leighton Baines, or it could sensibly have been invested in a nice reliable Paulo Zabaletta, but however you cut it Mark is better off.

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      1. J0E
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        🙂

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      2. JT's Dog
          13 years, 23 days ago

          + points gained,
          so cake delivered and eaten by mark

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        • Me English is improooving .…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Wow 🙂

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        • Test Eagles
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Keep going...

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        • MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Spot on.

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        • Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Poifect 🙂

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        • ron.44
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          lovely analogy.

          good point on a great article.

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        • heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Repost:

          Perfect Summary

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          1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            😛

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        • Trigg ⭐️
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Mathematics and logic saves the day again. Good post, very well worded!

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        • The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I got confused at the part about the clever and insightful manager named Mark.

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        • Kings of Lyon ★
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Best post ive read in a long time.

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          1. Jonah
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            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            +1

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        • Billy Ketsu
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Top, top explaining. Well done.

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        • HuttonDressedasLahm
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Exactly. Its a stupid argument imo. If your player goes up, it's an advantage, not a disadvantage!

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          1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            +1

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        • Fratboy
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          +1

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      3. Scholsey
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        RVP-> Rooney & walcott ->cazorla...wise move at the moment??

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      4. Manani
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        is basic instinct worth watching? (except for the sharoon stone's scene)

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        1. Test Eagles
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          IMHO yes, there are a couple of other notable SS scenes!

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      5. Gargamel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Ah, great read this. I've thought a lot about this, mostly because I have a rival who hates the price rises and often argue that they should be scrapped.

        His big argument is that they make it hard to opt for different players, especially in the earlier stages of the season. In a case where you believe equally much in two players but one is transferred in heavily, it basically forces you and everybody else into buying that player. Because even if he fails in the end, you will still have made money on him.

        In the end I still like the price rises because, like bonus points, they add a certain dynamic to the game that you don't really get anywhere else. FPL is a different game every week, which is probably why I still love it just as much now even if this is my seventh straight active season.

        Having said that, I think that if you gave 100% of the selling value back it would even further force our hands into hopping on bandwagons, because if you took the risk on a punt and it failed it would have hit you too hard. Nobody would do that, and that's a situation I would like to avoid.

        So in the end I'd probably rather have it as it is. I think.

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        1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Agreed. The problem with the pricing system as I see it is that the new(ish) price change system reates hyper-inflated bandwagons.

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        2. Berbagod
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          That's a very interesting point Garg. Agree with you in the sense that 100% profit will certainly encourage you to buy players for profits alone. Perhaps this will employ strategies where certain managers will KNOW a bandwagon will fail, but keep him on the bench solely for price rises?

          100% profits will probably also mean that by the time the WinterWildcard comes around, everyone would have enough money for uber-sporty looking lineups, making FPL quite redundant indeed...

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        3. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Interesting point about 100% returns steering teams towards bandwagons/templates. If correct, that would be a real downside.

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        4. Trigg ⭐️
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Another excellent point. If someone was triple rising in a week, it's worth getting someone in every week for a triple rise - maybe even take a 4 point hit if 2 players are triple rising. TVs would be massive.

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        5. Andy2
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          oooooooooooooooooooooh Xray loves a bit of cheddar, lovely piece of Cathedral on the old cracker lads

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        6. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          We don't need overdone bubble creation. Market is fluid enough as it is.

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      6. Holy See
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Excellent article. Pages of intelligent responses & replies. If there's anything that makes fpl a better game to play, it's this site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oOuSx3_wwc

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Assume you mean FFS and not youtube!

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          1. Holy See
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            😛

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      7. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I have a team value of around 7m more than the Professor, who sits atop our scout contrib league....this gives me a massive advantage...problem now is using that wisely to plug the 38 pt gap.

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        1. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I'd rather have the 38 points.

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Same extra team value is just a bit of a bonus at this stage.

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          2. The Shadow
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            But I do agree having TV late season is an advantage, if for no other reason than it allows you risk dumping Michus and still be able to buy them back if necessary later on.

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          3. J0E
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Me too obviously. I also think there will be good value among cheap players as the relegation scrap heats up, but I think now (gwk 31-34) there could be 38 pts to be gained by having five to six big hitters rather than the four that a lesser team value can spend.

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            1. King Nil Miss ✩
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Problem is the end of the season is doomed to be with DGWers in your team leaving no space(read free transfers) for the relegation scrap you talk about...

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              1. J0E
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Unless of course the DGWers you get in are from Wigan. 😉

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        2. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          If extra money instantly meant extra points, why is he top of the league? If you couldn't put the extra value to good use over the first 30 GWs what difference will the final 8 GWs have that will allow you to make up the difference?

          Not taking a dig at you.

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          1. J0E
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            I'm 3,000th or so in the world so have clearly put the money to quite good use. Although clearly the Prof is far better at doing it. 😉

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      8. Trigg ⭐️
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I've got friends who complain about this 50% selling price too, and although it is frustrating - as summed up in the article - I think if we look at how things would be if the selling price was 100%, it would border ridiculous.

        Imagine if a lot of us had Michu, RVP, Mata and some of the big early risers like Sterling too. Now that we are selling them on, our team value would be massive. Literally, money would not be an issue, and people would have TVs of 120m and beyond, potentially. With that cash, you can pretty much have the team that you want, money no object, and the whole challenge of managing a budget disappears.

        I say keep it as it is. FPL is a challenge, budget constraints and all, and that's why we are hooke

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          This is wrong. If the market decides players would just be higher, the problem is unjustified volatility in the market.

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      9. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Excellent article. I think it's missing one crucial point, though. If you buy a player early on, you still gain more when you sell him than someone who bought him later.

        Example. You bought Michu at 6.5 and I got Michu at 7.0. With a selling price of 8.4, you make profit of 0.9 and I make profit of 0.7. So I have still generated more team value in the process. It's along the same lines of the price theory someone posted above.

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        1. The3rdTurd
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          The problem comes when (if) we both want to buy him back. Having sold him for 7.4, I need to find an extra 1.0 to get him back. You sold at 7.7 so only need to find 0.7 more to get him back, therefore you have an advantage.

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          1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            I don't agree with that. You have to include the original price we both bought him at. I only paid 6.5 and you paid 7.0, so I have 0.5 more to play with from the get go.

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            1. The3rdTurd
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              But that 0.5 advantage reduces to 0.2 when we both buy him back, no? still an advantage, but less than half what it was.

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              1. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                So a buyback clause? Buy at 6.5m, sell at 8.5m for 7.5m you can buy back for 7.5m? That would be interesting!

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                1. The3rdTurd
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  It would be difficult to manage that for every player transaction over the course of a season.

                  Maybe you could do that for players sold during the 2 gameweeks your wildcards are active.

                  Or maybe you could have a separate wildcard for player buybacks which you could use for two player sales a year, allowing you to buy them back at a later stage for the price you sold.

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                  1. heco87
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Yeah, just made a post about it to see what people thought. No idea how hard it would be for the FPL systems to manage it but it seems a fair idea to me.

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      10. /
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Michael Owen has revealed he'd like to try his hand in the football agency field when he hangs up his boots.

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        1. thetinkerman
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          What's wrong with his hand? Why does he need to go to another field to try it? I'm sure his garden is big enough. Also, surely he'll need his boots or his feet will just get muddy.

          This makes no sense.

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        2. HuttonDressedasLahm
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Didnt he already hang up his boots? 😉

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      11. Back to Back Ballacks
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Rickie Fowler is killing me, have him at 33's. Last I heard, "It's gone left, WAY LEFT" 🙁

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Ha ha yeh hate it when you are watching your guy make a shot and you have no idea where the ball is and the commentator is like oooh no that is not good.

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          1. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            🙂
            He's gonna save par at least, not a prayer of beating Tiger now tho.

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            1. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Thats going to be the case a lot in future I think Tiger is looking like he is in the mood to dominate again.

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              1. Back to Back Ballacks
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Yeah agreed but he will never be like he was, before there were no errors, there is always a few every round now and I don't feel that will go away too easily at his age.

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                1. stooshermadness
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 16 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Like everyone over, say 35, it's all about missing putts now. And, from persnal experience, that just gets worse. He used to be automatic inside 10'. Not anymore.

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          2. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Can't believe I didn't hear about Barry's travel one, my Aunt in law owns the company!
            Might give her a call to see if she'l let me in late 😉

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            1. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Ha ha no!! Its down to me and one other guy now really I had a little gap for a while but had a couple of poor weeks and he squeezed ahead have to hope I nail my wildcard and get top spot back.

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              1. Back to Back Ballacks
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                If he doesn't have a WC that should be enough for you to sneak it, I'm available for travel whenever 😉

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      12. McNulty
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        It would be nice to pocket all the money but the gap between us ‘hardcore’ players and the ‘casuals’ would widen even further don’t you think? Typical team on here would be £107-£110m, casuals players around £100-£102m... but if we pocketed 100% then our team values would be far greater especially considering we’d have more flexibility in selling players. Not sure anyone in my mini league would turn up next season!

        There would also probably be more of us following kneejerk transfers as if you knew you could sell one of your players at their peak price and get them back at a later date for the same price (or cheaper) then it would make perfect sense to buy in a player who was on the rise after a good score in the previous week. Not sure how much that would help the template situation.

        I like the ‘stick or twist’ decisions with sell value, gives a bit more of a management aspect to it. I usually go the patience route which hasn’t paid off too well this season. Maybe I’ll try a new tactic for 2013/14...

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        1. The3rdTurd
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I agree, the game cannot afford to lose the casuals by becoming too complicated.

          The bigger price movements that would ensue would exacerbate the advantages of playing the market, and it would become more a game about stock-picking and less about football.

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Exactly a lot of suggestions that have been made in this thread have been with serious players in mind and in the long run that will be to the detreminet of us all.

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      13. King Nil Miss ✩
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I can say the begining of the season caught me by surprise as I was not expecting the rate of price rises and drops to be so high reason why I lost so many value on Mata while others jumped on the Hazard stock market, nevertheless as Michu was praised in pre-season by this boards and after a great start in the 1st fixture I got him in GW2 and stood by him till GW24 when winter WC kicked in and it was a balsy move to go without him from then forward as I´ve become 1.0M richer, despite losing another 1.0 virtual money and he didn´t had any massive displays since then. I could´ve regret that move but it really helped to shape better my team with the value caught on him but to be honest I wasn´t expecting such a dip in form.

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      14. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Very good article, I do believe to get ahead of the game TV wise, you need a very fixed strategy from the outset, and follow your decisions through. Firstly for me it's not just about making profit, but being set up to prevent loss. Getting a player who is destined to rise by only .1 or .2 insures it will take a longer period of time to keep should he begin to drop in price, saving on using a rushed transfer,and more time to work on other areas.
        Also watching players who drop in price can be useful, a month later their returns can improve. Paying 4'3 for a player who was 4.5 releases .2 to use elsewhere. Also the use of hits needs to be taken on, a hot player who will rocket in price, for a loss of 4pts I treat as totally irrelevant, long term you gain, certainly in terms of profit, and ideally in returns.

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      15. r0nh
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        In line with this article, I would also like the under 12 year olds (i.e. ME) to get double points.

        It is scientific FACT that our brains are not fully developed yet.

        This gives older people an unfair advantage.

        Double points for me!!

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          That's what Lego was invented for.

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        2. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Under 12 yet 5th season in FPL ... decent.

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          1. r0nh
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Thank you 🙂

            I am rather gifted.

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          2. roscola
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Top 2K finish when he was still in primary school. Immense.

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            1. r0nh
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              My rank gets worse as my brain develops 🙁

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        3. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          You were spot on about Ireland, good call. Now don't ever answer one of my posts again! 😉

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          1. r0nh
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Haha

            Not bad for such a young wee boy 🙂

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            1. Back to Back Ballacks
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Kudos, are you really only 12?

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              1. r0nh
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                No, not at all.

                I wish I was, being 'grown up' is such a disappointment 🙁

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                1. Back to Back Ballacks
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  😆
                  Hahaha, it gets better as you get older, Trust me!

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        4. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          What about OAPS?

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          1. r0nh
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Their intelligence/memory may be hindered, but they have more experience to rely on.

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            1. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Intelligence and experience are directly related.

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              1. The Shadow
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                I wish that were true with my mother-in-law.

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                1. Back to Back Ballacks
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  😆

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              2. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Not really plenty of people with lots of experience who are dum as hell!

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                1. Crouch Potato!
                  • 14 Years
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                  Less dumb, hence slightly more intellegent.

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                  1. MCH
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    lol true but its a variable scale intelligence doesn't increase at the same rate as experience.

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      16. stooshermadness
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I think the big problem is the number of 'casuals' who make 2-3 transfers every week, which drives significant price rises/drops every week. I know there are top 10,000 guys who use lots of transfers as a strategy but I suspect they are in the minority. Most of the top players are fairly prudent with transfers. I would guess there far more constant transfer managers in the < 200,000 part of the field. I think the 'I'm going to lose a ton of value for having the foresight to get Michu early' complaints go away if the casuals transfer issue is addressed. I wonder if a cap on transfers or some other method might be the way to go.

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        1. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Yeah, people in h2h's and casuals really upset the market, also I imagine alot of school kids
          (Not Ronh!) are just bringing in the guy who scored massive last week.

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      17. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        The solution to me is quite simple. Allow the forward thinking players to keep 100% of the value but slow down the rate of increase to 0.2 (net 0.1) per Gw. That would stop the punishment of success and allow the forward thinking players scope to improve over the more timid safe players.

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      18. Jimjam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Begovic (Federici)
        Evra – Clichy – Azpilicueta (Davies – Mariappa)
        Bale – Walcott – Michu – Sissoko (Puncheon)
        RVP – Suarez – Lambert

        1FT, 0.4 in bank

        Should I save my transfer this week?

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        1. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Looks like you need to plan to get additional DGW players in.

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      19. Back to Back Ballacks
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        For anyone who wasn't on here last night, I was on the test site last night and I think you will all love the new system. It will only make the site better, alot better. You should all be looking forward to it.

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          And that's it? 😉 Its not top secret, could you expand a bit?

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          1. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            F o r a n y o n e w h o w a s n t................................
            How's that for expansion? 😉

            What I mean is the voting system (as far as I am aware) can have little or no effect if you leave the comments filter set to "By Date" - all comments appear chronologically.

            Set "by Rating" - the threads appear by rating and the junk is filtered down to the end.

            Set by "stickied thread" and Comments deemed worthy by mods then get bumped to the top.

            So if you want to just have banter then leave it on DATE then yap away.

            Looking for decent conversation, set by rating

            Or Interesting debate on hot topics - set by stickies.

            Everyone has the option, pretty fair system for all

            PREETAY PRETTAY PRETTAY GOOD 🙂

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            1. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Ta very much 😉

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        2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          How much are they paying you? Free membership next season perhaps? 😉

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          1. Crouch Potato!
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            He has been given the Lord Ha Ha role methinks 😉

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          2. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            😆
            I wish, just my opinion, I wasn't too fused about any changes tbh but having seen it I have to say it looks great. The actual look needs tweaking but you get what I mean. The gravs look a bit small but I'm sure they will fix that.

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        3. King Nil Miss ✩
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Does that mean that the post above yours would already be gone?

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          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Depends on whether you filter it by Discussion rating, Sticky or Date.

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            1. King Nil Miss ✩
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              So it´s designed by the user for the user then? Good, good.

              I thought those rep points would determine which post get sticky and which ones go to oblivion, I assume wrong I see.

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              1. Parm
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Mods/Contributors sticky posts(I think).

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        4. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Apart from a select few....

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      20. heco87
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Ok so people generally believe that keeping 100% of any profits would create a huge imbalance of the game which would widen the gap between those who invest a lot of time in their teams and "casuals" as they have become known.

        The counter argument being that if you subsequently want to buy the player back, you are punished relative to an opponent who bought a players whose price had continued to rise.

        E.g. Player A buys Michu at £6.5m and Player B buys Michu for £7.5m. Current value is £8.5m so player A receives £7.5m and Player B receives £8m.

        On the basis that Player A has gained not only extra points but also additional profit, if they were to then each buy the player back, player A is punished relative to player B.

        What strikes me, is this only works if the player is bought back. What about the concept of a buyback price? I.e. you can buyback a player you sold for the amount you received. This doesn't punish Player A relative to player B and doesn't exaggerate the reward received by Player A either.

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        1. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I had the same concept. There does need to be a safeguard against people buying up lots of assets at the start of the season just to lock down their price. But I do think the problem we're talking about is only about fear of buying players back at inflated prices and this method solves it.

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Yeah very true... i.e. you'd have to have them locked in to your team after a deadline? Otherwise I suppose people would just buy everyone up in their first WC and put them in whenever they fancied.

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            1. roscola
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Yes, I think you have to have at owned them for at least one week, maybe longer.

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              1. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                ... and then it gets complicated i.e. a put off.

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                1. roscola
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  very true

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        2. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          It appears to add a rule and take some of the risk out of the game. I don't generally want changes that create more rules and take out the risk in the game.

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          1. roscola
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            I wouldn't say it adds a rule though, just adds nuance to one. The rule is currently that you pay market price for all players whether you've owned them before or not.

            I agree it removes some risk but the biggest risk is dropping a player who might score points soon.

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          2. Fratboy
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            I agree with this Heco87^^^. As much as we delve into the depths of the FPL rules, the more it becomes evident that we've actually got a very good system already.

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            1. heco87
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Yeah, I think I agree .. If it's not broken etc. Was just a musing from other discussions.

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        3. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          This would create situations where by players who are sold by managers early on then have their price essentially locked in for the season. For example say a player starts the season at 5m a manager sells that player in week 2 the player then goes on a massive run of points and goes up to 7m by gw20 should that manager then be able to buy the player for 5m still?

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        4. stooshermadness
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I don't think this is a bad idea, but what I worry about is that it incentivises transfers, since you arguably wouldn't be losing anything in terms of price by transfering a player out. Which, to me incentivisestransfers - which means more transfers and more price rises/falls. I think the game should should dry up the incentive for multiple transfers, maybe even increase the cost to -5/-6 per hit. I think the game should force you to manage your team, with perhaps an added FT in any given week if you have 2-3 red or yellow "i"s as a bailout. It seems to me these manic price rises/falls are relatively new to the game - the last year or 2 - and they are distorting the game.

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Yeah, rises used to be tougher ... used to be 30k transfers in, then 30 x 2 transfers in and then double again if I remember rightly?

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      21. Ayling Buyers Club
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Of those players now in your squad, how many did you have in your initial GW 1 squad?

        I am currently on 5 - Federici, Demel, Michu, Mata and Clyne. Might also bring in Maloney to make it 6.

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          0 - but I'm probably going to bring Cazorla in.

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        2. Dr Dream
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          10....and never moved them in or out.

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        3. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Zero

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        4. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          1 - Demel 🙁

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        5. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          5 seems like a lot! Fed & Bale for me.

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Fed has stayed the whole time Bale spent a few weeks on the sidelines.

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          2. Ayling Buyers Club
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            It sure does. 😉

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        6. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Michu.

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      22. jhill89
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        getting rid of Michu and Fellaini gives me 15.2 to spend, any ideas?

        Current mid/strikers

        Bale/Maloney/Lampard

        Suarez/RVP/Lambert

        think I need Arsenal cover so bring in Cazorla?

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Yeah, Cazorla & another seems a reasonable idea.

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          1. jhill89
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            or could just do Michu/Fellaini to Arteta...

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            1. jhill89
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              decided to do Michu to Arteta this week then next week Fellaini to Sissoko

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              1. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Fair enough. That was quick.

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        2. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Caz & someone not sure who though!

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        3. dadoune30
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Cazorla and Osman

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Think he's looking at someone like Gibson rather than Osman for the price.

            Townsend probably the best option to accompany Cazorla given the budget I'd say.

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      23. King Nil Miss ✩
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        I see a red Bunn in my team but I hope he doesn´t get toasted!

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          That's his currant status.

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      24. Damo.
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Wilson a doubt for ROI tomorrow with a groin imjury

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        1. The Light Knight
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Time for Ward to reclaim his throne? 😉

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          1. Back to Back Ballacks
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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          2. Damo.
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Kelly if out.

            Team: Forde, Coleman, OShea, Clark, Wilson (Kelly if Wilson injured), Walters, Whelan, McCarthy, McClean, Sammon, Long

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            1. The Light Knight
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Fook off Sammon/Long and Whelan and get Wes and any other bugger in there.

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            2. Back to Back Ballacks
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Surely Hooly will start, is that an announced team?

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              1. Damo.
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Yep... I know, I know.

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        2. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          Hope he pulls through, had a top game v Sweden.

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        3. Back to Back Ballacks
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          That's bad bad news, he was triffic in Sweden.

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        4. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          That's the worst type of injury for a FPL manager - one to a player I've got no intention of wasting a transfer to deal with

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Big time I only just added him to my first 11 this morning!

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          2. The Shadow
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            It's what's kept Demel on my team for 30 weeks.

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          3. Ayling Buyers Club
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            + billions.

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      25. Fratboy
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Jesus Mark look what you've done!

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