[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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    i trust fpl towers are debating this crucial issue as hard as we are......im sure they are

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  2. Give The Todd Some Love
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    Why can't FPL use the system in place in MLS fantasy?

    Not only is it better for keepers, who tend to get lots of defensive bonus points for recoveries, but it's also a more precise way of handing out bonus to attacking players, with every three successful key passes or crosses resulting in an added point. Yes, a 'key pass' may be slightly subjective, but I still think it's a massive step forward.

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    1. ~SpartakMac
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      I don't think a subjective view is necessarily a bad thing.

      Would this mean Arteta (for example) would be one of the higher point-scoring midfielders?

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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
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        Probably. DM's get more points as well, from recoveries, clearances, interceptions etc., so it's much more well-rounded

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    2. Messimerized- Join My FPL L…
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      This^

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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
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        Hey dude, any Europa news for tomorrow?

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  3. applebonkers
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    point for every one or two saves gives keepers more points relative to other positions, BUT simply makes them more homogenous (imo the bigger issue).
    take away save points completely and increase the clean sheet reward to say 6 points and you can then stretch the prices of keepers out more as their scores will be stretched out more, but the game gets a bit more boring without saves.
    some things aren't meant to suit fantasy games perfectly, football came first, fantasy games then tried to fit around them. not sure there is a perfect solution with regards to keepers, i think FPL is fine as it is points and price structure wise, only tweak would be more ppi for keepers. a strikers farts a shot straight at the keeper from 3 yards should not be worth 4-8 times (speculation) more than a keeper flying to his top corner to tip a goal-bound shot over/wide

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    1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
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      Yahoo Fantasy does this. Half a point per save, makes keepers valuable.

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    2. charlie1X
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      You could multiply the save points whenever the keeper is voted man of the match.

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    3. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
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      for example 0-0s should see keepers and defenders mop up the bonus, it's normally the opposite, and the massive irony is in order for keepers to get bps in a 0-0 they have to make less saves as more saves made means more ppi (and much larger ppi) for players taking the shots. that is mental

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      1. charlie1X
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        Yes you could say that's bonkers!

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        1. Billy Gilmore
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          😉

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    4. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      But to me, taking away save points and only rewarding CS points, means that ultimately the option of a good cheap keeper can be taken away as things like Vorm being a CS monster 2 years ago are hard to predict. People only bought him initially as he was 4.0 and played. What followed was merely a bonus. CS need to be rewarded, but maybe keepers who have to work harder to get one should see that work recognised more?

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      1. charlie1X
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        ^This

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    5. ~SpartakMac
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      Agree with this.

      Simple re-assessment of the PPI for keepers should do them justice.

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    6. Billy Gilmore
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      That is a very good point! If saves were made more valuable then we'd likely see very little difference between the highest and lowest scoring GKs which obviously isn't what you want, and is part of what is leading to nobody picking the GKs from the bigger sides as their value is terrible when you can make up the majority of the lost CS points with masses of save points.

      Maybe a small increase to the CS to say 5 or 6 would lead to the top GKs being rewarded somewhat closer to their valuation than the GKs for worse defensive sides who just make tons of saves but conceded loads of goals too.

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      1. charlie1X
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        If you connect clean sheets to save points by multiplying them by 3 for a clean sheet you, you make all keeper attractive for different reasons which should make the picks even more diverse. Also you encourage rotation so a full squad is needed as the biggest rewards are likely to involve weaker home teams against top 6 teams.

        So no non-playing dirt cheap tactical keepers.

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  4. Tiki Taka Massala
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    Which of these games will Johnny Evans start?

    1) Monday vs City
    2) Sunday vs Stoke
    3) Wednesday vs West Ham

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    1. The Assassin-Faced BabyDave
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      1,2,3

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    2. charlie1X
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      None if he's injured.

      1 in DGW if not

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  5. Lawrø
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    I like the bonus points system 🙂 Maybe 1 point every 2 saves for a keeper 😛

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      I like this idea. It's worth working out what each keeper would be on if this was the case.

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      1. Parm
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        Appearances x2 + Saves/2 + No of cleanies x 4 + BAPS.

        Jussi = (31 x 2) + (122/2) + (4 x 8) + 4. = 159

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        1. Scroobius Mac
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          Slightly inaccurate as he wouldn't have got that extra point in games he made an odd number of saves.

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          1. Parm
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            I suppose.

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        2. Billy Gilmore
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          That's not exactly true, but is a decent approximation. Maybe round the save points down a couple. Also there's goals conceded.

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          1. Ginkapo FPL
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            It wouldnt be too difficult for the stat duck to work it out. He has all the info in a spreadsheet anyway.

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            1. Billy Gilmore
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              True...

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      2. Parm
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        Mings = (31 x 2) + (120/2) + (4 x 9) + 2 = 160

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
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          Hart?

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          1. Ginkapo FPL
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            141. Here endeth the lesson

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            1. Billy Gilmore
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              Yep – ludicrous.

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    2. Parm
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      That makes keeper from the 'weaker' defensive sides more valuable.

      Guzan, Cesar etc...

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        I'd be interesting to see how people like Migs and Jussi who have over 120 saves and 8 or 9 CS come out in this, as opposed to someone like Hart who has about 12 or 13 CS, but far far fewer saves

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      2. Scroobius Mac
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        But this would only increase the homogeneity of scores. Most keepers would then end up averaging 5-7 PPG because they'd either be a Guzan (concedes but saves) or a Hart (doesn't concede but doesn't save a lot). There isn't many out there who do both saves and CS. The only ones I can think of in the 3 seasons I've played are Hart in his first season at City, Foster and Birmingham and Vorm and Krul last season and Bego at the start of this season.

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  6. Parm
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    Loving the article, certainly a talking point. Very similar to the defensive midfielder situation.

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  7. FPL Daniel
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    Is Cameron back to first choice?

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  8. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
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    Blackburns GK Paul Robinson out for 6 months due to a blood clot on his lung, SSN.

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    1. Lawrø
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      Ouch 🙁

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    2. applebonkers
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      can't stand the guy as a keeper but that doesn't sound very nice at all. GWS (get well soon)

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    3. SuperOsçarBaby
      • 13 Years
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      what is SSN?

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
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        Sky Sports News.

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      2. SPorting
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        Such Sad News

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    4. heco87
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      L1 when he returns

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      1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
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        Venkys out!

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    5. Christina.
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      Ouch.

      My wife had a blood clot in/om her lung. It's very very pain full and the (anticoagulant) medication she had to take for 6 months has a lot of side effects.

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      1. Christina.
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        *on

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        1. SPorting
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          *painful

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      2. Crouch Potato!
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        Never heard of it until now, definatly sounds extremly unpleasant.

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      3. SPorting
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        Side effect like temporary blindness and amnesia allowing dirty old potatoes to take advantage of her?

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        1. Give The Todd Some Love
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          Well that wasn't very funny

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      4. SPorting
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        Clot on her lung. Clot by her side.

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    6. ~SpartakMac
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      Ouch

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  9. Eboue
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    Personally, I think the problems lie as much with the defence as with the goalkeepers, a player would never consider having and regularly playing more than 1 budget midfield/ forward and yet in the back four/three (five) it is the norm- owning more than 2 defenders of more than £5 million is unusual.

    That would suggest then that the key issue is the lack of defensive points on offer, that defender need more than clean sheets (and the odd attacking foray) for their position to be valued and warrant significant investment.

    SO- the answer- more point forms, particularly at the back, of different weightings by position. Tackling points, clearance points, and for keepers, a higher sum for saves.

    I think by readjusting the balance of a team's points the game will mirror football more accurately, and I feel that is what we ultimately seek.

    Well, I'll be of then now

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Adjusting balance of points means adjusting balance of prices too.

      For me, it can all be solved by sorting the PPI assigned. My point earlier was based around QPR 0-0 Norwich where 2 attacking midfielders and a DM got the BPS over Bunn who made a penalty save (as well as keeping clean sheet) - penalty save should surely carry same PPI weighting as a penalty scored?

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
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        Bunn also gave away the penalty didn't he?

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
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          That aside, it illustrates the system is flawed

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      2. Eboue
        • 13 Years
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        Definitely,though I don't see that as a problem ! I agree with the next part as well- that game truly was mad, but I still think that changing baps alone is only a temporary solution, in that this could tip the balance the other way!! No clear answer anyway!

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  10. Chu Young Ping Pong
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    I think they should remove gks from the game.

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    1. SPorting
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      Geeks like you?

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        You mad?

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        1. SPorting
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          bro?

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
            • 13 Years
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            Are you mad bro?

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    2. Crouch Potato!
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      Be very easy for teams to score then, unless they made the goals smaller.

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    3. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      i think that would make it too easy for the strikers 😯

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      1. Crouch Potato!
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        Unless you are Danny Graham.

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    4. SuperOsçarBaby
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      😯

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        😯

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    5. FACUPARSE
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      What a stupid idea....

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  11. palace ash
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    If I could change one thing on the keeper scoring system, it would be that if a defender gives away a penalty and it's the only goal of the game, there keeper still gets his clean sheet, but the defenders don't.

    Thoughts?

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    1. Kendog
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      How many times has that happened this year?

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      1. palace ash
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        To many!

        Winds me right up. Happened this weekend with Jaask...

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        1. palace ash
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          **Too

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          1. Kendog
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            Dont think its enough as only a handful of keepers will earn a measly extra 4-8pts in a year.

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            1. palace ash
              • 16 Years
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              A handful??

              57 penalties scored already this season!!

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        2. Efan Ekoku Pops
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          Demel still kept his clean sheet in that match...LIKE A BOSS!!! 😀

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  12. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
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    this deserves a repost imo, it's that ridiculous

    0-0s should see keepers and defensive players mop-up the bonus, it’s normally the opposite, and the massive irony is in order for keepers to get bps in a 0-0 they have to make a small amount of saves as by making a lot of saves they are just giving ppi (and much larger ppi) to the players taking the shots. that is mental

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      yep i was fuming when rvp got 3 baps in a nil nil ..... defo needs to be a defence/gk biasing ppi in that situation

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      Yeah, the baps in a 0-0 are just a crap shoot.

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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        is that a pun? 🙂

        0-0's do normally come about from crap shooting 😉

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        1. Billy Gilmore
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          😉

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      that is a good point.

      And the other thing is bonus points very rarely go to keepers unless it's a game like Stoke/WBA but even then it is questionable as why should the keepers be rewarded for doing less than they would in a game where their team won 1-0 and the keeper made some world class saves that won the team the game effectively.

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    4. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
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      You could reward keepers by trebling their points for being voted man of the match.

      As they don't figure in the current ppi on a fair basis this would introduce a new points steam related to their performance.

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  13. Kendog
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    For gw33 and 34

    Rvp, osman, Evans/smalling

    Or

    Suarez, kagawa, vidic

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    1. Perfect Curve
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      RVP, Osman and Evans or Smalling, surely!

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      1. Kendog
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        The problem is will Evans or smalling get 270minutes over gw33 and 34. Vidic probably will

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      2. Kendog
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        Already have rooney

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    2. charlie1X
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      Suarez, kagawa, Vidic (assuming you have de Gea)

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  14. Perfect Curve
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    Sorry to go all 'Head-to-Head' on you but...

    I am one of three teams gunning for the Championship in my 20-team division. I play one of those rivals in GW33. Currently I have five DGW players to his six.

    Do I:

    a) Make two transfers this week for a -4pt penalty (Debuchy for Sagna, Lambert for Berbatov) and make another next week (Sissoko for Osman)
    b) Make one transfer this week (probably Debuchy for Sagna, given Lambert is away at Reading) and make two next week (incurring the -4pt penalty when I'm playing my rival)
    c) Not make any transfers this week and make two free next week (which will allow me an extra week to make a judgement on who to bring in)

    I currently have: Fabianski, Riether, Baines, Cazorla, Van Persie
    He has: De Gea, Rafael, Monreal, Osman, Walcott, Van Persie

    Thanks!

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  15. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
    • 15 Years
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    I love this game. I'm addicted. I admit this.

    But man I'm out of my depth at times on here. This whole GK points discussion for example takes this game to a whole new level I just can't participate in...

    Hats off to the lot of you. If I'm honest, I love football and just dig getting the points!!

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    1. Lawrø
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      +1 I'm trying to stay out of it too!

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      1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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        But you're Lawro..

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  16. Scroobius Mac
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    "I've no worries about Rooney because he's needing games, he's the kind of player who has to play all the time.

    "With van Persie, we have to monitor it because we still don't know all about Robin, and the kind of seasons he's had.

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8615222/

    Interesting.

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      That's why he played in almost all games lol

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    2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      please drop robin reguarly.......not enough to make ppl get rid, just enough to stifle their points 😉 ..... say once every 3 games

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    3. applebonkers
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      oops 😳

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    4. applebonkers
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      you sri lankans always get the news first

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      1. Scroobius Mac
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        My experience managing the French with Demi taught me well.

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  17. applebonkers
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    from the most recent scout tweet:

    "Speaking broadly about how he planned to use his strikers during the run-in, Ferguson added: "I've no worries about Rooney because he's needing games, he's the kind of player who has to play all the time.

    "With van Persie, we have to monitor it because we still don't know all about Robin, and the kind of seasons he's had. I don't think he had a season of such intensity during his time at Arsenal, so we'll have to look at that. Welbeck's looking strong as well, as is Chicharito." "

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    1. applebonkers
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      looks great for rooney's minutes and a bit of a riddle regarding van persie, you'd normally always fancy rvp to start too though

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        As a Rooney owner this makes feel very confident heading into DGW, suddenly bringing him into thinking as a captain option.

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        1. J0E
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          I agree. Rooney (C) looks very tempting now.

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    2. jas5sk - Youtube channel
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      Chicharito is looking strong!!?? The old man needs glasses

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
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        I think he means fitness wise

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    3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      • 14 Years
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      sadly though he offers no update on Rafa

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    4. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      RVP will not be dropped before GW35.

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    5. J0E
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Just about to copy that as well as a now very smug Rooney and not RVP owner. Music to my ears, albeit music sung by a red faced elderly Glaswegian.

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  18. JK - Cønt ⭐
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    I think my favourite solution is this

    Increase the save points 1 every 2 saves. But following on from this, if a CS is kept double it, so that a save point is rewarded for every save.

    Let's take 2 examples

    Hart v Newcastle and Migs v City

    Hart v Newcastle made 1 save and got 6 points
    Migs v City made 8 and 9 points (he also got a BP)

    so factoring out the BP Migs was rewarded with only 2 more points despite all the extra work needed to secure that CS.

    Under this new system Hart would get 7 points , with 1 point being given for saves
    Migs would get 14 points. This reflects the extra work required in order to secure a CS in this instance.

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      But then somebody like Guzan who has been just as responsible for accruing points for his team as Migs is then penalized because his defence is rubbish and he has to face a ridiculous number of shots and he can only keep out so many. I don't think making 6 saves in a 1-0 should give you 10 more points than making 6 saves in a 2-1.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        He isnt penalised, just isnt given extra reward.

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    2. Tommyg
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      That works for me!

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  19. To go with the Hart or the …
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Ah.This old topic gain.
    I've captained a keeper once this season(my first,mind you)- Scz during Arsenals DGW. And how did that turn out? Disastrous! A mere 6 points, with the armband, with a DGW!
    I reckon managers should buy keepers who are capable of scoring penalties. For example Hans-Jörg Butt- even with having Gomez, Ribery and Robben, they let him take Munich's penalties.
    But that's all too good a scenario.
    The points system for the goalies should obviously be revised; and the doubling points system mentioned above, awesome.

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  20. You Must Be Jokin Ere
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Excellent article. By adding points for ALL saves following a CS, this IMO give too much value to a Clean sheet.

    Hows about, instead of focusing on getting the Kepper points up, we focus on making the keeper score much more volatile : 5 points for CS, 5 points for pen save, 1 point for every 2 saves, - 1 for every goal conceded with an extra (-2) when your keeper concedes 4 or more...................

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    1. Malgani
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      well done no evra and no rvp. Just wrote the exact same thing without reading what you wrote. What is required is clear and simple and you definitely hit the nail on the head.

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  21. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    still fancy rooney and rvp to play every game, no need for reasting anymore with man utd out the cups and ferguson is not only chasing a points record, it's mourinho's record, his old/current sparring partner

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Out of curiosity, how many points is the record?

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      1. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        95

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      2. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        chelsea were on 91 points with 2 games left in 05/06 but lost both games

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    2. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      well... who knows

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  22. Malgani
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Excellent article!!!

    I think that thought process should also be extended to defenders. If I could I would play 2 defenders every week if the game would allow me. I haven't played more than 3 defenders once this season, and that is a flaw in the game.

    I personally would like to see 5 points for a clean sheet. 1 point for every 2 saves by a keeper (another flaw in the game given that a keeper who gets an average of 3 saves a game would end up with almost the same amount of points as a keeper who averages 5 saves a game). I would also weight a defenders and a goalkeepers performance more heavily in order to give them more bonus points.

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Zamalkawyy me3afen 😀

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      1. Malgani
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        habibi!

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  23. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    So RVP looks less nailed on than Rooney for the run-in... ouch RVP owners, may only play one of the games in the DGW 😯

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    1. Give The Todd Some Love
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Rooney it is then

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      He'll play both.

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    3. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Us Rooney owners look to be sitting pretty though

      Rooney (c) for DGW?

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        yep

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      2. FACUPARSE
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Awful choice...Unlikely to play and more unlikely to get more than Arsenal players... Red arrows all round

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    4. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      He always does the opposite of what he says.

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      1. Pinoche
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        +1.

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    5. Parm
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      What about if you own both?

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        I think you're ok

        Got a stuggle to fill the rest of your spots mind with 27 million tied up in 2 players, then you factor in Bale, Mata, Caz etc.

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        1. Parm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          GW33 for -8

          de Gea*.
          Mertesacker*, Clichy, Pearce/Wilson.
          Cazorla*, Walcott*, Fellaini*, Townsend.
          Van Persie*, Rooney*, Berbatov*.

          Bunn, Bale, Wilson, Davies.

          Saving my WC for 36(I think).

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Looks ok actually 8 DGWs plus Clichy for a future one.

            Nice addition to the name as well 😀

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          2. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            FWIW, I'm gonna ship Bale then buy back in 34. It allows me Mirallas over Anichebe

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            1. Parm
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              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Good luck with that 😉

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  24. Jimjam
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    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Team linked. I am currently 30 points ahead in my mini-league. Trying to tread the line between making the most of DGWs/run-in, but not taking too many hits and giving up my lead.

    Is this plan good or lunacy?

    GW32: Evra, Michu, RVP -> Mertesacker, Mata, Rooney (-8)
    GW33: Begovic, Sissoko, Davies, Lambert -> De Gea, Fellaini, Demel, Berbatov (-12)

    Giving me this team:

    De Gea, Federici
    Clichy, Azpilicueta, Mertesacker, Demel, Mariappa
    Bale, Mata, Walcott, Fellaini, Maloney
    Rooney, Suarez, Berbatov

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    1. Dealbert
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Crazy - Why would you take out Evra and RVP who have DGWs? And why would you get Mata when everybody is dropping him?

      Swap Bego, Michu, Davies and maybe Lambert, but keep Sissoko, Evra and RVP

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      1. Jimjam
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Evra - downgrade to free up funds for midfield, and replacing with DDG who is more nailed-on.
        RVP - downgrading to Rooney, again to free up funds.
        Mata - fair point, but he has a good fixture against SUN despite the blank, and don't know who else to keep.
        Sissoko - hasn't done much recently - do you think he will pick his game up?

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  25. theotherguy
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Agreed that extra points for saves would lead to points being more homogeneous.

    I think the problem is the BP system. If we stick with the current system, there needs to be more rewards allocated to GK. Penalty Saves should be worth more PPI than a goal for starts, they are far harder to pull off.

    Alternatively we could have 2 BP systems - Maybe and 1/2 for Attacking, and a 1/2 for Defending. Best defenders and best attackers get rewarded. That would be my suggested approach.

    At the moment BPs are too predictable - a 1-0 match you will generally get the scorer with 3 points, 2 points for assister, 1 point for defender. Boring.

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  26. SammoUK111
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    IMO it should be 1 point for every 2 saves (as opposed to 3) AND this should be doubled when a clean sheet is held.

    And if possible, defenders should get 1 point for every 2 key tackles they make (aka when they prevent a 1:1 situation with the keeper by making a key tackle/interception) - I realise this would require more maintenance...

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  27. Bigo1
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    This article states the two main issues for goalkeepers, i.e.:
    - keepers dont get as many points as other positions
    - their points are very granular

    But all the solutions only solve one issue, and make the second one worse.
    Imo, keepers should just get more points for clean sheets (and less for pk saves).

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      agree

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    2. Bigo1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Lets take Schwarzer vs Hart, where Hart only lead by 12pts.
      If CS are increased to 6pts, and PK saves reduced to 3pt, Hart would be 28pts richer, and Schwarzer'd only get 8pts.
      A 32pts difference would make much more sense between the 2, and would potentially justify a 3m difference in price

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  28. Shane Ferguson 4.0
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Benteke for GW33 aginst Fuhlam OR Berbatov (avl, CHE) for -4 hit?????

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Berbatov,imo

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  29. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Damn Fergie. Now I am not so sure on Rooney and RVP for the double

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  30. Parm
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    The MLS game seems to have a decent system.

    Attacking Bonus

    Players will score extra points for positive play:

    1 point for every 3 crosses (A cross is defined where the ball is played to their own player in the penalty area)
    1 point for every 3 key passes (A key pass is one that leads to a shot at goal)
    1 point for every big chance created (A big chance is one where the analyst determines the player should score)
    -1 point for every big chance missed

    Defending Bonus

    Players will also score extra points for good defending:

    1 point for every 6 clearances, blocks or interceptions
    1 point for every 6 recovered balls
    -1 point for every error leading to a goal

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    1. Scroobius Mac
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      A big chance is one where the analyst determines the player should score

      Who is this analyst? Depends on how stingey they are in their interpretation. Is it the same for every game?

      I'm just playing Devil's advocate I don't mean to disagree with everything you say today.

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      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Haha, maybe this could be changed with shots off target(Say -1 for every 3 shots off).

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