[sbu_large_image] Opinion
3 April 2013 1481 comments
Mark Mark
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Plenty have argued that the goalkeeper position is the most important on the football field, the custodian a vital cog in any squad. In Fantasy terms, however, the goalkeeper has gradually slipped into oblivion.

He’s become an afterthought, a position that needs to be filled rather than one that is considered a key contributor to our squads or starting XI. It’s time for the Fantasy games to address this – goalkeepers should be one of our priority positions, with significant rewards for good selection.

You only have to scan the latest Fantasy Premier League (FPL) rankings to realise the issue. Joe Hart, the City keeper, is currently the top rated stopper in the game, with a miserly 121 points – that’s some 81 points behind Robin Van Persie, the leading striker and 80 points behind the top midfielder, Gareth Bale. Perhaps more significantly, with 121 points, Hart is roughly the equivalent of Lukas Podolski up front (117 points) or Aaron Lennon in midfield (118) – both bit part Fantasy assets who many would hardly consider mainstays.

At this point, we have to give credit where it’s due and remember that the FPL is a game that attempts to reward goalkeepers – there are save points on offer, available exclusively to keepers and yet, it’s clear, that these are not enough to allow this position to bridge the gap and take on a significant level of importance. This situation is compounded by the bonus points system that leans towards attacking players and very rarely recognises goalkeepers – Asmir Begovic is the current top earner with just seven bonus points.

In the Sky Sports game, the goalkeeper situation is exacerbated by the fact that there are no save points on offer. Hart can only gain from clean sheets in this game and his total of 107 points, whilst top ranked for goalkeepers, is some 116 points behind Santi Cazorla, the leading midfielder, and a huge 135 behind Luis Suarez, the top ranked forward. Indeed, by comparison, Joe Hart has fetched the same number of points as Fernando Torres in this game and less than James McCarthy of Wigan – again, then, Hart’s importance as an asset seems severely underplayed.

Quite simply, clean sheets are not enough. They’ve been in decline in recent seasons and this term we could be heading for the worst ever season for five years. Back in 2008/09, there were 247 shutouts on show in the Premier League, an average of one clean sheet every 3.08 matches. By 2010/11 this had dropped to 191 in total, an average every 3.91 matches. While we saw a slight recovery last season, currently this term is tracking an average of a shut-out every 3.92 matches. In simple terms then, in the last five seasons, the clean sheet has declined as a Fantasy football scoring method. Have the games adjusted their rules accordingly? Empathically, I’d say they’ve stood still.

Adjusting the balance with the price list is not enough and, in fact, when you look at a stalwart keeper like Pepe Reina, back in 2008/09 when, statistically, there were more clean sheets about, you could acquire his FPL services for 6.0. He started this season at the same price, despite the fact that clean sheets are seemingly far harder to come by. Low and behold, this season Reina has 86 points to his name, in 2008/09 he scored a mammoth 169 points. The decline in points output is pretty obvious and yet, presumably to balance increases in attacking positions, Reina’s initial price has been frozen.

As mentioned, the FPL have at least attempted to compensate for keepers with save points and while this successfully narrows the gap between the heavy-hitter clean sheet getters and the budget and mid-price keepers, it still falls short in terms of bringing goalkeepers in line with the other positions.

Fantasy games now have to find the confidence to take matters further. Goalkeeper points scoring needs examining in detail with save points established as the norm, with points for clean sheets hiked for goalkeepers and perhaps even used as a multiplier or an unlock. In effect, goalkeepers should be rewarded further for clean sheets when they are seen to be an effective last line of defence. Let’s double the save points awarded when a clean sheet is won or, presuming the data gathered is correct, award a point for each save if a shut-out is achieved.

Looking at Joe Hart as an example, given that he has fewer saves to make playing in front of the City back four, he would not benefit greatly from double save points when a clean sheet is won. However, if saves were awarded as points in a clean sheet scenario, he’d be 16 points better off – taking him to 137 points in total (Hart earned just one save point in a match with a clean sheet this season). Jussi Jaaskelainen, the keeper with the most saves in the FPL game, would be 29 points better off, having kept eight clean sheets. Minus the nine save points he already gained from these matches, this would take him to 141 points. Jaaskelainen’s biggest points haul would have come against Fulham in Gameweek 3 when he made eight saves – he would therefore have amassed 14 points – two appearance points, four for the clean sheet and eight save points.

Are these totals that wrong? Shouldn’t a keeper have the opportunity to rival strikers and earn double figures without having to pull off a penalty save? Wouldn’t it be more exciting to watch your keeper fling himself to make save after save knowing that, if he can just keep his sheet clean, these would convert into points at the end of the match? In my view, this mechanic would rejuvenate keepers and make them a position that excites when watching games, rather than a player that can only lose you points as the match goes on.

These are radical changes and some serious modelling would be required to ensure balance is achieved but, looking at the obvious decline in clean sheets and the gradual decay of the goalkeeper as a position of importance, it seems obvious that such a step has to be considered. When we see squads with non-playing goalkeepers and top ranked managers settling on budget and mid-price stoppers in order to spend in attacking areas, it screams out that there is a balance issue.

Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience. It’s up to the games to react and address this or go on letting the goalkeeper become a meaningless commodity when, in reality, he’s possibly the most important player on the pitch.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. roscola
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    Considering O'Shea > Azpil for a hit in preparation for later DGWs ... and just to rid myself of O'Shea. Should break even on it this week (SUN).

    But if he plays tomorrow in Europa, is there a strong chance of rest against Sunderland? He's missed 2 games this year.

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    1. David Brains - OH NO!
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      Step, away, from Chelsea. 🙂

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      1. David Brains - OH NO!
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        Wouldn't you be better off doing O'Shea to Sagna for the imminent DGW?

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        1. roscola
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          Sagna has trolled me all season. I can't cope with his antics any more. And I wouldn't want him long term, I don't think.

          But point taken about Chelsea.

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        2. roscola
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          Thanks, BTW

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          1. David Brains - OH NO!
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            No problem, I've had the same experience with Sagna this year, but can't see a better value defender for the double. The WC helps though, as I can ship him out soon after 🙂

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    2. Sebastian Rooks
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      there is no chelsea dgw33

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      1. roscola
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        later DGWs

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  2. The Finnisher
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    Tevez 6 month ban. Dzeko anyone?

    😉

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    1. The3rdTurd
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      To drive Tevez's car? bit expensive don't you think?

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  3. The3rdTurd
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    "Fantasy football should attempt to mirror reality in order to create a compelling experience."

    To me, this sentence absolutely hits the nail on the head. Not just in relation to goalkeepers, but for every aspect to the FPL game.

    Yes the goalkeepers and defenders of the game are cheaper which means they are similar in value terms to the mids and strikers, but surely this misses the point: if you skew the point scoring in favour of certain positions and types of player, you will inevitably get template teams, players with near 50% ownership and teams loaded with attacking mids and fwds, all of which makes the game less interesting.

    The more ways there are to play the game successfully, the more interesting the game becomes. A better balance between the player positions would mean a lot more possible strategies are available. I think it would be great to see teams at the top of the overall rankings which take a contrary approach of loading up on heavy hitters in defence or in goal, but the current system is just too constrained and imbalanced for this to happen.

    You're never going to have a FPL game which completely mirrors reality, but in my view they should be trying to do so as far as is possible.

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    1. roscola
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      Bang on.

      Especially the bit about the more ways to play, the better

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    2. cassanata
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      I think a lot comes back to the fact that the game is free to play and makes money from advertising. The more players they get the better and the game needs to apeal to the casual player. For that reason they need to keep it simple and will continue to do so.

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      1. The3rdTurd
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        Agreed, but it is perfectly possible to have simplicity to retain the casuals' interest and balance to make it a better game, they just need to put some effort in to get there.

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        1. Berbalove
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          Absolutely. One could argue that several ways of playing would make it easier for the casual player. Going all in for a heavy hitting defence, not knowing better, would be unwise today. It should not necessarily be like that.

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      But aren't you forgetting something?

      This is FANTASY football.

      Isn't Mark forgetting something when he says it should mirror reality? Isn't he forgetting why we all enjoy Fantasy football in the first place...because it DOES NOT mirror reality?

      Discuss.

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      1. Lord Flashheart
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        no.

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      2. Captain Shirokov
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        But it DOES mirror reality.

        Argument over.

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      3. The3rdTurd
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        I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just saying it's a better fantasy game when they can make it as near to reality as it can get. And I don't agree that the enjoyment from the FPL game derives from the fact it is not reality.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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          but bonus points for instance are something that people enjoy most about FPL. The anticipation and joy of receiving them. They are connected to a formula that is based on real stats but bonus points themselves have nothing to do with reality. That's all I'm saying.

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          1. The3rdTurd
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            My original point had nothing to do with bonuses, which is worthy of a whole separate discussion. You can still anticipate your baps within the context of a more balanced game.

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      4. Berbalove
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        In that case, we might as well throw a die for each player.

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    4. Berbalove
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      After some thinking, I agree. Value is not what matters. Better balance in order to make more viable ways of playing is surely a good thing.

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    5. Ginkapo FPL
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      The very man, can you work out the goalkeeper scores if they were done by Marks suggestion? Save pts are doubled if CS is secured.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
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        No need, Lawro has done it

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        1. The3rdTurd
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          Might play about with some numbers when I get a moment, I'm sure there are some interesting insights to be gleaned from the different possible scoring mechanisms suggested.

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  4. FORCA INTER
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    fpl is all about atack

    i wish i never had that stupid winter WC cause i messed up my perfect 1st half of season strategy

    uber cheap defender and gk's ( max 4.5M) and just get all heavy hitters in and you will be guarented to be in pts

    defenders and gk players are massivly overrated (fpl perspective) and i must admit that i did a big mistake when i get 2 big hitting defenders in with winter WC

    Never again!

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    1. Scroobius Mac
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      Isn't the point of the article is that that is the case and points should be adjusted so that it reflects that the game isn't just about attack.

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      1. Epic Fail
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        One argument is that the most exciting thing about football is attack. Very rarely is it exciting watching a game mainly hoping for a clean sheet.

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      2. FORCA INTER
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        it is ,but it's all about atack and it always has been

        still can't belive that i have Evans and Zaba in who complately waste my money

        if i didnt play that stupid WC i would have perfect team

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        1. heco87
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          The article illustrates it hasn't always been about attack and how the balance of the game has shifted.

          One concern I'd have with implementing changes is what if the balance of the game then shifts back with more clean sheets once again?

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          1. Scroobius Mac
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            Yeah the days when Chelsea and Liverpool hardly conceded and United's ridiculous streak with VDS must've been quite different.

            You never know this could easily change next year as well.

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    2. Captain Shirokov
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      Unfortunately, I agree. The balance of the game is off.

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  5. b3- bish bash bosh
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    i got suarez at 9.4
    just saying 🙂

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    1. The Finnisher
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      Bale at 9.3 😎

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      1. b3- bish bash bosh
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        nice 9.4 for me

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  6. Lawrø
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    And I said I wasn't going to get involved...

    Name-------Current Points-----CS=5--------CS=6------CS=5, 2pts a save-------CS=6, 2pts a save-------

    Hart-----------------121---------------135------------149-----------------143---------------------------157-------------------
    Begovic------------120---------------130------------140-----------------143---------------------------153-------------------
    Mignolet-----------115---------------124------------133-----------------147---------------------------156-------------------
    Jaask---------------112---------------120------------128-----------------145---------------------------153-------------------
    Guzan---------------93-----------------98-------------103-----------------123---------------------------128-------------------

    I believe the best option available if FPL were to tinker with points gained in game (rather than bonus points) would be if clean sheets were increased to 6 points for a goalkeeper because it increases the range of points scored by 'keepers so goalkeeper prices could be more spread out, Hart's 149pts would be equal to that of Fellaini and Walcott, this massive increase in points gained for goalkeepers would also encourage players to invest more in defence making the game more varied and tactical, just my thoughts... 🙄

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    1. Lawrø
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      Table fail. ðŸ™

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      1. SPorting
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        *Terrible fail

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        1. Lawrø
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          Indeed.

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    2. heco87
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      2pts a save = 2 saves a pt presumably?

      Interesting ..

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      1. Lawrø
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        Yes. *Sigh*

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    3. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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      I concur.

      Nice work BTW

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    4. roscola
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      Nice job

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    5. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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      i can just about make it out lawro.....good statting, yeh greatest spread is increasing cs points

      that plus a change in ppi for keepers so they get more bonus, especially ina 0-0 situation would be a good thing

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      1. Lawrø
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        I'd actually prefer a decrease in PPI for shots on target, it's ludicrous strikers get more PPI for the shot being on target than the keeper gets for saving it! 🙂

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    6. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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      Just for giggles, assuming 1 pt per save and nothing for clean sheets:

      Hart = 104
      Beg = 153
      Mig = 170
      Guzan = 164
      Howard = 121
      Cech = 192 (!)

      Probably a bit too wide a spread.......

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      1. Lawrø
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        😆 Cech would be a 10M goalkeeper!

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        1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
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          May have made a small error there

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  7. SPorting
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    Hang on a minute!

    What kind of symbolic raised arm gesture is Harte making in the article photo??!!

    MARK!

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    1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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      even the colour and age of the photo....hmmm looks faintly neurembergy

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      1. Captain Shirokov
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        😯

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        1. Lawrø
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          😯

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          1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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            😯

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            1. Epic Fail
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              😯

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              1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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                .

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                1. Captain Shirokov
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                  PR1CK! 😛

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                  1. @ImpressiveTackl
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                    😯

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    2. roscola
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      He's just pointing at an extraneous 'e'

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      1. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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        🙂

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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      So Hart is a fascist? Well that's it, I'm never buying him in FPL.

      If there's one thing I would never do, it's associate myself with a fascist!

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    4. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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      .....or should that be obergruppenfuhrer harte!!

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    5. SPorting
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      If you look closely.....

      http://i.imgur.com/Z89Eoc2.gif

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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        😆

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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        *giggles*

        I have always worried about him ... 😉

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      3. Lawrø
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        😆

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      4. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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        😆

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    6. Hybrid.power
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      I hear you're a racist now father?

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      1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
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        😆 😆

        one of the best lines ever

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        1. Lawrø
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          +1

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          1. @ImpressiveTackl
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            😆 + infinity.

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      2. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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        excellent episode that one.....specially his house decorated with nazi paraphernalia

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  8. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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    "I've long given up speculating on this lineup and the thought of Aguero finishing the season with less playing time than Andreas Weimann and Jamie Mackie is enough to bring one to tears"
    -chris glover

    when its put like that 😯

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    1. SPorting
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      What does that mean? Is it cryptic?

      Should I buy Weimann (again)??

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      1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
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        actually yeh, you would only have got a few points less and still have 6 mill on the bank

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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          You have mail ... 😉

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        2. SPorting
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          It didn't quite work out like that when I bought him in the first time.

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  9. The Finnisher
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    There could be a point made that the Premier League is all about attack too? United are going to win despite defending poorly for the majority of the season and most of the defending this season has been horrible.

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    1. FORCA INTER
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      feck defenders

      other than Baines all other defenders are waste of money

      even he is a big risk , but can't complaine cause he did deliver me quite few pts

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      1. Crouch Potato!
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        Defenders are very often where you make real gains in terms of differential, many people hve similiar attacking line ups.

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        1. FORCA INTER
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          wrong,at start of the seson people had like 5 heavy hitter while i had 6-7 and i very much prefer differential in atacking player

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          1. heco87
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            Lol, I love how you are a know it all after about a year of playing this game. A lot to learn yet, fella.

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          2. Crouch Potato!
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            And now? Its about a whole season.

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    2. Crouch Potato!
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      Very good point, next season all could be differant.

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  10. The Bandit
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    Fergie...

    Ferguson added: "I've no worries about Rooney because he's needing games, he's the kind of player who has to play all the time.

    "With Van Persie, we have to monitor it because we still don't know all about Robin, and the kind of seasons he's had. I don't think he had a season of such intensity during his time at Arsenal, so we'll have to look at that. Welbeck's looking strong as well, as is Chicharito."

    Be afraid... 😉

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    1. roscola
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      Be afraid of lies and deceit. I sold Evans at the end of last season because I took Fergie at his word

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      1. The Bandit
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        He never said Evans was out tbf.. Myth

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        1. roscola
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          Really? That's not the way I remember it. He certainly strongly implied that he wouldn't play

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          1. The Bandit
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            It was anti wagon that spiraled on here so in the end everyone thought it was true

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            1. roscola
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              OK, from the Scout Scribbles:

              "Though Ferguson didn’t confirm Jonny Evans is out, no mention of the Irishman certainly suggests is set to remain sidelined with a foot problem."

              More from the presser http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/May/manchester-united-team-news-v-sunderland.aspx

              At the time, Evans was red-flagged and Fergie talked about all his defensive options except Evans, strongly suggesting that he was still not fit. That's enough for me 🙂

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        2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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          He actually said Evans was out and he was red flagged. I sold him as well.

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    2. Gamoriola of the Galaxy (Eu…
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      Yeah,, the message is too transparent, hence clearly false. 😉

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    3. daisybcfc
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      i think with the double its very unlikely they both wont get at least 90 minutes. its a toss of a coin who will get more points/game time so all we can really do is wait and see

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    4. â­ Bemba_Da â­
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      Fergie rarely tells the truth.

      Said J Evans was injured for weeks then plays next game
      Says J Evans number 1 cb then hardly features

      What I make of this is rvp is key and rooney rotated

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      1. The Bandit
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        He never said Evans was out, it's a lie started by sellers..

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        1. â­ Bemba_Da â­
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          I am pretty sure he was red flagged

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          1. The Bandit
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            He was, but because of anything Fergie said

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            1. The Bandit
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              *but not

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        2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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          I thought Fergie had said something, but I kept him anyway 🙂

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      2. Portsmouth Bubblejet
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        And community service.

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  11. Jeremiah
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    Why wasnt Sturridge playing at the weekend ? Thoughts on Sturridge to Berba ? Already have Suarez 🙂

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    1. trikster102
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      I'm considering doing that. Was left with a 10 man team last weekend because of Sturridge not playing.

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    2. You Must Be Jokin Ere
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      Because Rogers has seen in him what others have seen in him............poor attitude, and an inability/refusal to truly be a team player

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    3. daisybcfc
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      the chat on here is he will mainly play home games as the can afford to be a bit liighter in midfield

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      1. Jeremiah
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        Ok thanks lads, So thoughts on Sturridge to Berba ? 🙂

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        1. daisybcfc
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          im not this week. wait and see and reassess before the DGW.

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    4. LOCO ABREU
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      i think sturridge will play and can outscore berba this week.

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      1. Jeremiah
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Have Suarez too though

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        1. LOCO ABREU
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          no other pressing transfer?

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    5. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I think he wants to play Suarez up front so he'll stay out of trouble and not get booked. he'll also be happier as he'll be able to add to his goal tally on route to the golden boot.

      Its also a warning to Sturridge to be a team player work harder to press a high line etc.

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    6. iain_90
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      done it.

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  12. trikster102
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Keepers do need something extra. But it needs to be kept simple. Maybe something like they get 6 points for a clean sheet or maybe 1 point for every 2 saves.

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Just an extra 1/2 points for a clean sheet and jobs a good un.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        You have mail. 🙂

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        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Oooh lovely. On my way. 🙂

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    2. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Them two suggestions are the crux of my failed post above!

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  13. ~SpartakMac
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    Could've done with this article and the following discussion during the international break ey? 😉

    Also, Suarez vs Giroud/Berbatov for the DGW, who will score more?

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Berbatov will.

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      True but it would have falled on (relatively) deaf ears with so few frequenting the boards!

      Berbatov for me

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    3. daisybcfc
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Giroud or Berba. if you have little arsenal coverage do with giroud, if you have caz and/or walcott go for berba in my opinion

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  14. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 17 days ago

    My tuppenceworth is that every save should be worth a point. And penalty saves should be worth 6.

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    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      A point for a scuffed shot that trickles to the keeper?

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    2. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      oh and doosra ive kind of lost the thread of the email chain......what am i meant to be doing to contribute to team success......oh and im defo wcing next week btw

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Vote!!!

        Header: Event Players!

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        1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          done

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Try again. Sorry - VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN!

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            1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              dont think i understand why fella doesnt count, he gets goals and assists....like i say i may have missed some of the thread

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    3. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Noooo way. Problem is a ball on target that dribbles at snails pace into the keepers hand gets the same returns as an outstanding match winning save. It just ain't fair!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Them's the breaks. Psychological battle.

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      2. julianface
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        That's just false saves are only given for meaningful saves. Slow shots where the keeper doesn't have to move aren't saves and nor are cross interceptions.

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    4. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Just posted this furthe up Doos:

      Just for giggles, assuming 1 pt per save and nothing for clean sheets:

      Hart = 104
      Beg = 153
      Mig = 170
      Guzan = 164
      Howard = 121
      Cech = 192 (!)

      Probably a bit too wide a spread…….

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Nope. Perfect. Add clean sheets on.

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        PS You have cocked up Cech's score, somewhere ... 😀

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        1. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          *edit

          Cech = 146

          ahem

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            That's better! 😆

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  15. bitterandstout
      13 years, 17 days ago

      +1

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      1. Lawrø
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        -1

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          +42! 😀

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          1. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            -42 = 0.

            YAY. 😀

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    • Jeremiah
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Sturridge > Berbs for free soind good ? 🙂

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      1. Hybrid.power
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Sounds awesome.

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    • gebb
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I agree goalkeepers could use with some extra point-earning measures. Why not give them a bigger bonus for clean sheets than defenders, after all they have next to no opportunity of scoring goals or assists, and the bonus system hates goalkeepers.

      Has Hart been better this season than Lennon? I would say no.

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      1. daisybcfc
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        i agree with that last bit loads. i think no defences have been steady this season. everyone is leaking goals and also rotating. i think the system is fine, the defensive players just have been inconsistant this season

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        true but they are also more nailed on.

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    • SPorting
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      Repost. Just because I have nothing better to do.

      http://i.imgur.com/Z89Eoc2.gif

      I will be distancing myself from this site with immediate effect!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Under seig? 😉

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Don't worry, heil be back.

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          1. Hybrid.power
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Halt....

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            1. Hybrid.power
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              ....Hammerzeit

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              1. Lawrø
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                😆

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                  1. SPorting
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 17 days ago

                    Love that!

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                  2. Mull
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 17 days ago

                    😆

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                  3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 16 Years
                    13 years, 17 days ago

                    😆

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      2. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Hitler was also very paranoid about dandruff

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    • JK - Cønt â­
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 17 days ago

      I just dared to log into my UCL

      13 points 13. that is hideous

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      1. JT's Dog
          13 years, 17 days ago

          should have got in scorers, helped me 😉

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        • SuperOsçarBaby
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          30 points 😎

          double bayern defence 😎

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      2. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Who was Foster playing for 2 seasons ago? 178 saves!

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        1. JK - Cønt â­
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Probably Birmingham

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        2. Scroobius Mac
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Birmingham - he was brilliant that season but I think Hart was also very cheap.

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        3. Hybrid.power
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Birmingham I think

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        4. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Think that was the year Brum went down

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        5. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Would have been Birmingham.

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      3. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Just found out at training last night that we have a Chelsea-esque fixture list for the next week.

        4 games in 7 days.

        😯

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        1. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          You might get rotated 😉

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          1. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            😯

            Pffft, no chance. 😉

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          2. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            No Captain Shirokov 😯

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          3. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Waterboys don't get rotated.

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        2. Van Dal
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Do u play semi-pro?

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          1. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Nah, still only u18s so has to be amateur. We see what happens in a few years...

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            1. Dago
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              what!! how old are you? You can play semi pro u18 too.

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              1. Captain Shirokov
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                16.

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      4. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Paolo Di Canio has just released a statement re the accusations of fascism. He states within it, " I do not support the ideology of fascism" SSN.

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        1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          *wipes brow*

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        2. Portsmouth Bubblejet
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          And perhaps that's true.

          But there are still quotations from him such as the following, which was taken from a series of interviews made with Di Canio by Paddy Agnew.

          http://bit.ly/10vE2DR

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          1. Captain Shirokov
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Also, if he doesn't ''support the ideology of fascism'' then why didn't he just say that at his press conference the other night.

            He could have come clean there and then.

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            1. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Would imagine the club have assisted him in creating a statement they feel is wise.

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          2. Crouch Potato!
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Certainly not saying I believe this, or fully trust him on it, just passing on a small part of his latest response.

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            1. Portsmouth Bubblejet
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Wasn't suggesting that you did believe this - apologies if it came across that way.

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              1. Crouch Potato!
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                Didn't at all 😉

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          3. Van Dal
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            What hes saying is true though. About jews (zionists) having occult powers.

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        3. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          dunno, he also mentioned something about a final solution......but that may have been to sunderlands woeful attack

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        4. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          And I suppose he just got lost on his way to the training ground:

          http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article4870918.ece

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          1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            lol you couldnt get a more 'sun/daily maile' type headline.....brilliant

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      5. LOCO ABREU
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Current team:
        DDG/Cerny
        Turner/Mariappa/Enrique(Davies/Zaba)
        Mata/Bale(c)/Wally/Sissoko(Townsend)
        Rooney/Rvp/Sturridge

        I have Rooney,Rvp,DDG,Wally, seems a waste using the wc next week just to get Caz and Fellaini, but no Suarez this week is scary,what do you think?Can do Rooney to Suarez for free this week and next week play the wc. What do you think?Suarez will be the captain of my rivals this week.

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Quality.

          Although you may have missed the recent fascist goings-on above ^

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          1. JK - Cønt â­
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            No I saw them, but you are not Number 1 😛

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            1. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              😛

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              1. JK - Cønt â­
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                It really did make me 😆

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            2. SPorting
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Oh I know that but Colonel Shoe's gif was awesome!

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              1. JK - Cønt â­
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                It was indeed/

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      6. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        What price will Kevin De Bruyne be next season? And what type of role will he play? Might be worth a punt in light of his agent's recent comments?

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        1. FACUPARSE
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Won't play. Chelsea will recruit a whole new team of mercenaries for next season.

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          1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Maybe they will replace him with Cazorla and Arsenal will win nothing again

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            1. FACUPARSE
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Doubt it, Cazorla has class and doesn't like rascism and rape and all the other crimes the Chelsea team commit on a yearly basis... p.s your opinion counts for nothing. support your local team glory hunter.

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              1. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                Its abit hypocritical of you to criticise people for making fun of arsenal because you support them and then having a go at Chelsea on a regular basis and how do I know your even from London ? .

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                1. FACUPARSE
                  • 13 Years
                  13 years, 17 days ago

                  Well I am, and I grew up in London when Chelsea had Vinny Jones and Paul Furlong and a dog track around the pitch at Stamford Bridge. Then all the sudden Abramovich comes along and ruins football and Chelsea sporn out the foulest set of glory hunting supporters known to man... 🙂

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        2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Wow, it's all kicking off here - thanks for the advice Arseman123, I'll forget about that one.

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      7. Le Limpar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Really like these articles - and the discussion it's produced this arvo.
        I like the idea, and the3rdturd's points on this page about possibility of a defensive strategy...
        But I don't think fpl would tinker what is for them a winning formula. They won't want to put off the casuals by crossing the very thin line into 'over-complication'. (for some it's probably too complicated as it is and they go and play the Telegraph).
        The other thing is, while we've seen leaky defences in the top teams, and stronger attacking players throughout the leagues (scoring against anyone) the last two seasons - there's nothing to say the pendulum won't swing back in a few seasons time - with more negative tactics and some more solid defensive units appearing. And so then do they reverse the changes? Probably better to ride it out as is and let players figure out for themselves where the value is (is how they'll see it).
        I quite like the fact that I can pick Jussi and Guzan and get as many points as someone who thinks 'I'll go big in defence and get Hart and DDG.

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        1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          i know, 7 pages and hardly an rmt about .... excellent stuff

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            And lots of replies to most posts rather than just mindless quips about getting high.

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        2. The3rdTurd
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          I said this above, but it's relevant here too: it's perfectly possible to have simplicity to retain the casuals’ interest and balance to make it a better game, they just need to put some effort in to get there.

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          1. Le Limpar
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            I think that's right actually. The casuals won't know a thing about ICT etc - they just know who is playing well, pick them, and know/expect that their deserved FPL points will be forthcoming. Which they do - give or take, on a minutae level - which is what we're talking about tweaking.

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            1. Ginkapo FPL
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Exactly, and as such PPI and baps should reflect who is playing well and not who has scored. Reward the casuals who watch MOTD.

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              1. Le Limpar
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                Yup - good point.

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      8. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 17 days ago

        Afternoon all. 🙂

        What's the latest?

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        1. SPorting
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Bermuda shorts, bold stripes and statement sunglasses.

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          1. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Cheers, now I know what to buy later.

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          2. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            christ on a bike, where do you live!! .......i guess thats where the sunnies come in handy

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            1. SPorting
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Good god man, don't you keep up with Paris Fashion week?!

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              1. Colonel Shoe è‚æ± 
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 17 days ago

                does skegness fashion thurday count??

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      9. Mak_Gold
          13 years, 17 days ago

          Stick with Messi (C) or switch to Ronaldo?

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Switch

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          2. Mulder
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            I switched

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            1. Mak_Gold
                13 years, 17 days ago

                Cheers, switching.

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            2. ★FC Borecelona★
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Twist

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          3. The Bandit
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Roscola..

            Your link just proves that people understandably assumed Evans was out, Fergie never said he was.. 😉

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            1. The Bandit
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Scout scribbles are to blame.. 🙂

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          4. Sweetpea
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 17 days ago

            Those WC’ing for gw36, any interest in sharing the team?

            Thinking along the following lines:
            Wigan: Robles, Maloney
            Swansea: Michu
            Citeh: Silva, Zabaleta
            WBA: Lukaku
            Tot: Bale, Dawson

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            1. heco87
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 17 days ago

              Seems reasonable .. I don't have a WC but I reckon I'll have Kone, Bale, Silva, Vertonghen and Mata for starters.

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