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14 August 2013 4426 comments
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Over the last few months of 2012/13, Gareth Bale’s series of explosive displays had finally afforded Fantasy managers a reliable captaincy alternative to the relentless Robin Van Persie. With a goal or assist in 11 of his final 14 league appearances, the Welshman thrived in a central role behind the lone forward in Andre Villas-Boas’ 4-2-3-1 formation and ended the campaign with 14 sets of double figure hauls, averaging 7.2 points per game in Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

Despite a hefty hike in price across the Fantasy games, Bale was a hugely popular pick when the Player Price Lists were released earlier this summer but with Real Madrid determined to prise him away from the Lane, his ownership has dropped dramatically with only a few days left until the season kicks off. Not only would his departure be a bitter blow to Villas-Boas’ plans for the season ahead, it would also hit Fantasy managers equally hard and leave Van Persie as the standout option in terms of reliability once more.

In our next Burning Question article, we ask a handful of contributors if the Dutchman will be impossible to ignore if Bale legs it to La Liga.

Applebonkers says….
I’m personally without Van Persie as it stands, due to fixture and form concerns more than an issue of price. So on that basis, no. Of course, the great appeal of Van Persie is his ability to score against anyone, but my argument is that a goal in each of the first three matches wouldn’t really hurt a non-owner as it costs 14.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) to acquire the United man.

Braces and hat-tricks are the ones which really punish non-owners, though I’m not sure he has the post-Real Madrid form to trump the opening schedule, with trips to Swansea and Liverpool and a home game versus Chelsea in the first three Gameweeks.

Here’s a stat: since RVP notched three times against Chelsea in 2011, 24 hat-tricks have been scored in the Premier League and only two have come against top half sides (Steven Gerrard v Everton and Romelu Lukaku v United). It’s playing the odds in my opinion, no one is fixture proof, simply various levels of fixture resilience. I have to admit, by Gameweek 4 I’d like him, though.

Andy says….
Coming from the Fantasy manager who went 31 of 38 gameweeks last season without Manchester United and Fantasy Football’s top scorer, and won the Scout Contributor’s league (I will brag while I still can!) in doing so, my answer to this question is probably pretty obvious. To me, the notion of the essential and must-have player is nothing but a fallacy. And that even includes Robin Van Persie.

The Dutch forward is arguably the best player currently plying his trade in the Premier League and will surely earn his crust for whichever Fantasy managers decide to hand over the mammoth price tag he has been handed across the Fantasy games. He’s safe, he’s secure, he’s prolific. He’s not essential though.

I’ve written many words in the past to support this claim but it boils down to the fact that I believe you can find alternative ways to spend your Fantasy budget to equal or greater effect. There’s more inherent “danger” involved in veering away from such Fantasy staples but it doesn’t mean you can’t succeed – a theory my 2012/13 season somehow managed to support.

Essentially, he’s not essential. But if there’s ever a good run of games where I think he’ll be the ideal captain choice, I’ll be the first to invest. Getting that armband choice right – or, more importantly, not getting it wrong when those around you get it right – is one aspect I do place a high priority on.

Tinkerman says…
Bale’s departure would certainly deprive us of an immense Fantasy talent and cause a huge rethink of strategy – especially for those whose draft squads currently rely on the Welshman’s explosive yet consistent returns for their weekly captaincy choice.

That said, I still don’t think Bale leaving necessarily makes Van Persie the only safe captaincy option from the start. Granted, we all know his capabilities but, with a wealth of premium midfielders offering high potential, there are plenty of ways to spend the extra budget you’d save by choosing to overlook the most expensive player in the game.

Managers avoiding Van Persie from the start would, however, leave themselves with a quandary should he prove to be the only reliable and consistent captaincy option after a few weeks. It would mean being forced into either spending points on transfer hits or activating the transfer wildcard early on. The option of initially avoiding Van Persie and bringing him in on a Gameweek 4 wildcard is one that has been discussed much on the boards – at this point, cheaper players who offer strong points potential will no doubt have emerged and will allow us to save money elsewhere in order to free up funds for the Dutchman. Since an early wildcard has proven to be a successful strategy for many managers in recent seasons, I think Bale leaving these shores wouldn’t make owning Van Persie from the start a must.

Ryan says….
The main argument for Van Persie’s essential status is that he would be a nailed-on captaincy option. As this is a new season, however, I am of the opinion that other strong armband candidates will appear as the campaign unfolds. The fact that RVP is so expensive almost compels you to captain him most weeks in order to justify his place in your side. This can act as a mental bias in one’s thought process and brings about a barrier which stops you captaining other potentially stronger options. I think it is best not to be shackled to the Dutchman and be more flexible in your armband picks.

Van Persie may not be β€˜essential’ but for the conservative manager, his incredible consistency makes him a reliable captain that will still bring home regular points. It might take some time to identify exactly who the best alternative captains are – until that time, Van Persie is a safe option to get you started.

Mark says…
Essential is a big word. I wouldn’t quite go that far but, for my money, Bale’s seemingly imminent departure has undoubtedly raised Van Persie’s stock.

I was all set to overlook him and opt for the Spurs man but now the landscape has changed and suddenly I’m setting up with the Dutchman as the foundation for my team, with the rest of my selections dropping in around him.

The armband is a major concern. Yes, there will be weekly candidates who emerge but few, if any, can get close to the consistency we saw from Van Persie for long spells last season.

I’m well aware that I’ve clung to him like a security blanket and that my faith in Van Persie has cost me dear in the past but I much prefer the idea of starting the season with him and assessing what value is available elsewhere, rather than be forced to carry out major surgery ahead of Gameweek 4.

Of course the early wildcard is the solution but I want to have the choice, not be forced to play it because Van Persie has delivered a goal a game and is about to embark on a run of favourable fixtures.

The fact is, without Van Persie, I’m going into the season without any cover of the Champions’ attack. While Wayne Rooney flirted with the concept of offering an alternative last season, this time around that option looks unlikely. Unless Wilfred Zaha takes his opportunity or Shinji Kagawa cements the support role over Danny Welback, then it really is Van Persie or nothing.

While there are real concerns that David Moyes will struggle to inspire his team to the heights of previous campaigns, I see too much quality in the United lineup to risk overlooking them as an attacking force.

Essential? Not quite. Highly desirable and worth building your squad around? Right now, I really think so.

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  1. Matt
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    Soldado to score more points than RVP this year.

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    1. Tim Canterbury
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      15-1

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    2. Tracksuit Manager
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      im not sold on a bale-less spurs.

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    3. hillbillypete
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      I think he will do well but not that well

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    4. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 12 Years
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      Big punt

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    5. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
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      Should get good odds on that.

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    6. Caine & Co.
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      Where does this soldado love come from? overpriced nobody in a crap team

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  2. sahota
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    RMT would be appreciated.

    Boruc Foster

    Zabaleta Mertesacker Garrido Toure Jagielka

    Morrison Snodgrass Ben Arfa Hazard(C) Bale

    Sturridge Lukaku Lambert

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  3. MJ6987
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Has Evs been sacked from these articles or what?

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    1. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Wanted more qualified columnists I suppose πŸ˜‰

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      You'll see his comments in other articles.

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  4. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    The members section runs so quickly and smoothly. I may camp out there for a while until the main servers have recovered a little πŸ™‚

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    1. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      See you in the Members' forum yeah?

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        I wish πŸ™‚

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      2. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
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        Sounds like a plan.

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      3. Tim Canterbury
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        There's a members forum 😯 may hay to cough up

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  5. Tracksuit Manager
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    is there any consensus on what zaha's output will be this season? what are your over/unders?

    i'd say around 90 pts...

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    1. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      That would have been the 2nd best United mid last season.

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      1. Tracksuit Manager
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        incredible stat. prob. down to rooney taking a mid spot. and valencia forgetting how to kick the ball.

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  6. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    1. What position is Paulinho likely to play for Spurs? (he a good shout fantasy wise?)
    2. Is collins goig to be fit for weekend?

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    1. Tim Canterbury
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      1. Defensive so no
      2. Probably

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      1. the axolotl
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        not sure how defensive he's going to be. have a look at the scouts article. think he might be a good shout, though nobody on here seems to have him. scored a (disallowed) goal in his 1st spurs match.

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  7. Chu Young Ping Pong
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Joseph Barton ‏@Joey7Barton 15m
    Welbeck MOTM. What has Townsend been smoking?

    Gotta agree with Joey.

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    1. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Not even sure Wellbeck would even be in the England squad if he didn't play for Man U

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    2. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Andy Townsend smokes high-grade skunk weed bongs before every commentary.

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    3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      If in doubt, name Welbeck MOTM.

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  8. Salma Hayak's Left Peg
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    RMT please

    Stekelenburg (Marshall)

    Williams, Coleman, Vidic (chester, parr)

    Mirallas, Tonev, Oscar, Walcott (Kim)

    Van Persie, Dzeko, Soldado

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    1. sahota
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      with RVP that's a good team, but I would consider Hazard and Coutinho for Oscar and Walcott

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    2. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      needs more chelsea

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  9. Djerbil
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    It has come to that stage where I don't want Lukaku in my team but I have him only bcoz everyone else has him..

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  10. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    mine was written pre awesome wigan header. so maybe just fixtures now πŸ˜‰

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    1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Just out of curiosity how do you pick your gravs? Agger to Terry seems an unusual move...

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    2. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Don't reveal the magic man.

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  11. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Lambert used to work in a factory, worked his way up through the lower leagues, finally gets an England call up at the age of 31 & scores with his first goal.

    Really humble when interviewed after the match.

    My new hero πŸ™‚

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      humble premiership player, now thats gotta be an oxymoron these days

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    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      I thought George Michael was your hero?

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  12. Don Andres
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Good to go?

    Mig (Harper)
    Cashley - Toure - Coleman (Mbiwa - Collins)
    Walcott - Hazard - Mirallas - Silva (R.Morrison)
    Giroud - Sturrigde - Lambert

    0.0£ in the bank

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    1. v12w12
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Like it, quite similar to mine πŸ˜‰

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      1. Don Andres
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

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  13. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Is the altidore wagon in motion?

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    1. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      yes

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  14. Hibbo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Just a quick point. A lot of people saying they cant justify starting with Van Persie he's just too expensive etc and they wont be getting him to gameweek4. Is that not going to be the king of all ballaches to tgen work him into your side? And if anyone says WC simples thats laughable that anyone would decide in advance to play a WC regardless of their points accumulated and with no dgw to maximise.

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  15. v12w12
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Is Barkley of Everton a shout for a 5th mid or likely not to start most games?

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  16. Brucey
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Are any of the 4.0 GK's first choice at their clubs?

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    1. sahota
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Nope, I had a look through. 4.5 is the cheapest you'll get

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    2. v12w12
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      No, none I'm afraid

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  17. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    And that's the final piece of the jigsaw in place. Bring on the new season! πŸ˜€

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    1. tw
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      12 years, 8 months ago

      what's the team looking like GB?

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Foster - Boruc
        Terry - Toure - Collins - Murner - Brayford
        Walcott - Hazard - Lampard(C) - Mirallas - Kim
        Soldado - Sturridge - Lambert

        +1.0m for Lamps -> Michu/Coutinho/Silva etc...

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        1. tw
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 8 months ago

          why lamps over oscar?

          and why foster over ruddy?

          our teams are looking pretty similar I must say.

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          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 8 months ago

            Because I think Lamps will score more than Oscar πŸ™‚

            And Foster rotates beautifully with Boruc and I have Turner for Norwich.

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    2. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah, my team has refused to change for over a week now. Must be a good sign. My only dilemma really is Coleman or Toure.

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  18. FC Tinker
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Mignolet
    Koscielny - Traore - Kompany
    Hazard (C) - Oscar - Silva - Walcott
    Giroud - Lukaku - Dzeko

    4.0, 4.0, 4.0 5.0

    Yes, it may seem completely mad to start with just Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal players, but I'm going to WC straight after GW3.

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  19. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    http://db.tt/0oytlTZ5

    BIG consideration, you get profits if players price rises this season in your team... Don't think this happened last year?

    Also see link above -

    Silva to mirallas
    Upgrade defence?

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    1. champion_elect
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      What game were you playing last season...

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  20. marco_atk85
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    I just figured out that RMT tool give more points to Westwood then Manone. I thought that PDC already expressed Manone will be his first choice. Did I missed something?

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Injuries occur. Just add all the points then.

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  21. Baines on Toast...
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Lampard looking sharp. Looking forward to the weekend πŸ˜€

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  22. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    REALLY struggling in defence. Have Chester, Ivan and Coleman.

    £9m left for 2 defenders.

    Anyone remember reading something from Bassong recently? Seem to recall something about it being up to the manager whether to start him??

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  23. Woy of the Wovers
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Here's my plan for GW1 which is unbeateable.

    GKx2
    DEFx5
    MIDx5
    FWx3

    Good to go?

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  24. Pabster
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Benteke or Soldado?

    I'm thinking Benteke, then Soldado.

    Silva or Coutinho?

    No other Man City or Liverpool attacking coverage.

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    1. v12w12
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      B and S for me

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    2. Just One More Thing
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Soldado.

      I think Silva will outscore Coutinho this week - I don't see Liverpool running riot v Stoke (1-0 perhaps?).

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      1. DCFC87
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Stoke are heading down this season me thinks Pulis gone and no goal scorer plus Mark Hughes = eek

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    3. Caine & Co.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Benteke

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  25. Jairzinho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Cech
    Cole, Ivanovic, Ward (Brayford, Chester)
    Kagawa, Walcott, Henriquez, Morrison (Williams)
    Altidore (c), Lambert, Dzeko

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Form over fixtures

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    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      GW1 top scorer.

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  26. Chrisitis
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Felliani to start against Norwich?

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  27. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    One of the hamsters in the server wheel has died.

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      πŸ˜†

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    2. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      i thought that had quad core ...... granny cheaping out again

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    3. Eboue
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      πŸ˜†

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    4. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      πŸ™
      he's with tupac now

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    5. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      If you don't let the workers eat, they'll eat the hamsters.

      Not sure of the source but think it was Franklin wot said this.

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  28. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Another terrific table from Tommy. It lists the players who are best suited to the new baps system πŸ™‚
    http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/public-stats-tables/view/2810/

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  29. Fifa las vegas
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    How's this looking?
    Boruc
    Terry, Toure, Koscielny
    Cabral, Walcott (vc), Coutinho, Hazard (c)
    RVP, Anelka, Sturridge

    subs: Olsson, Pozeulo, Mbiwa

    thoughts? Also, i am unsure whether to play olsson or Cabral 😐

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  30. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    that northern ireland result is fantastic. done portugal a real favour there

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    1. Smarty Pants
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Not really... Russia plays Israel (H), Azerbaijan (A) and Luxembourg twice.
      4 wins in these games seems very likely and would mean Portugal is still second.

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