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14 August 2013 4426 comments
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Over the last few months of 2012/13, Gareth Bale’s series of explosive displays had finally afforded Fantasy managers a reliable captaincy alternative to the relentless Robin Van Persie. With a goal or assist in 11 of his final 14 league appearances, the Welshman thrived in a central role behind the lone forward in Andre Villas-Boas’ 4-2-3-1 formation and ended the campaign with 14 sets of double figure hauls, averaging 7.2 points per game in Fantasy Premier League (FPL).

Despite a hefty hike in price across the Fantasy games, Bale was a hugely popular pick when the Player Price Lists were released earlier this summer but with Real Madrid determined to prise him away from the Lane, his ownership has dropped dramatically with only a few days left until the season kicks off. Not only would his departure be a bitter blow to Villas-Boas’ plans for the season ahead, it would also hit Fantasy managers equally hard and leave Van Persie as the standout option in terms of reliability once more.

In our next Burning Question article, we ask a handful of contributors if the Dutchman will be impossible to ignore if Bale legs it to La Liga.

Applebonkers says….
I’m personally without Van Persie as it stands, due to fixture and form concerns more than an issue of price. So on that basis, no. Of course, the great appeal of Van Persie is his ability to score against anyone, but my argument is that a goal in each of the first three matches wouldn’t really hurt a non-owner as it costs 14.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) to acquire the United man.

Braces and hat-tricks are the ones which really punish non-owners, though I’m not sure he has the post-Real Madrid form to trump the opening schedule, with trips to Swansea and Liverpool and a home game versus Chelsea in the first three Gameweeks.

Here’s a stat: since RVP notched three times against Chelsea in 2011, 24 hat-tricks have been scored in the Premier League and only two have come against top half sides (Steven Gerrard v Everton and Romelu Lukaku v United). It’s playing the odds in my opinion, no one is fixture proof, simply various levels of fixture resilience. I have to admit, by Gameweek 4 I’d like him, though.

Andy says….
Coming from the Fantasy manager who went 31 of 38 gameweeks last season without Manchester United and Fantasy Football’s top scorer, and won the Scout Contributor’s league (I will brag while I still can!) in doing so, my answer to this question is probably pretty obvious. To me, the notion of the essential and must-have player is nothing but a fallacy. And that even includes Robin Van Persie.

The Dutch forward is arguably the best player currently plying his trade in the Premier League and will surely earn his crust for whichever Fantasy managers decide to hand over the mammoth price tag he has been handed across the Fantasy games. He’s safe, he’s secure, he’s prolific. He’s not essential though.

I’ve written many words in the past to support this claim but it boils down to the fact that I believe you can find alternative ways to spend your Fantasy budget to equal or greater effect. There’s more inherent “danger” involved in veering away from such Fantasy staples but it doesn’t mean you can’t succeed – a theory my 2012/13 season somehow managed to support.

Essentially, he’s not essential. But if there’s ever a good run of games where I think he’ll be the ideal captain choice, I’ll be the first to invest. Getting that armband choice right – or, more importantly, not getting it wrong when those around you get it right – is one aspect I do place a high priority on.

Tinkerman says…
Bale’s departure would certainly deprive us of an immense Fantasy talent and cause a huge rethink of strategy – especially for those whose draft squads currently rely on the Welshman’s explosive yet consistent returns for their weekly captaincy choice.

That said, I still don’t think Bale leaving necessarily makes Van Persie the only safe captaincy option from the start. Granted, we all know his capabilities but, with a wealth of premium midfielders offering high potential, there are plenty of ways to spend the extra budget you’d save by choosing to overlook the most expensive player in the game.

Managers avoiding Van Persie from the start would, however, leave themselves with a quandary should he prove to be the only reliable and consistent captaincy option after a few weeks. It would mean being forced into either spending points on transfer hits or activating the transfer wildcard early on. The option of initially avoiding Van Persie and bringing him in on a Gameweek 4 wildcard is one that has been discussed much on the boards – at this point, cheaper players who offer strong points potential will no doubt have emerged and will allow us to save money elsewhere in order to free up funds for the Dutchman. Since an early wildcard has proven to be a successful strategy for many managers in recent seasons, I think Bale leaving these shores wouldn’t make owning Van Persie from the start a must.

Ryan says….
The main argument for Van Persie’s essential status is that he would be a nailed-on captaincy option. As this is a new season, however, I am of the opinion that other strong armband candidates will appear as the campaign unfolds. The fact that RVP is so expensive almost compels you to captain him most weeks in order to justify his place in your side. This can act as a mental bias in one’s thought process and brings about a barrier which stops you captaining other potentially stronger options. I think it is best not to be shackled to the Dutchman and be more flexible in your armband picks.

Van Persie may not be ‘essential’ but for the conservative manager, his incredible consistency makes him a reliable captain that will still bring home regular points. It might take some time to identify exactly who the best alternative captains are – until that time, Van Persie is a safe option to get you started.

Mark says…
Essential is a big word. I wouldn’t quite go that far but, for my money, Bale’s seemingly imminent departure has undoubtedly raised Van Persie’s stock.

I was all set to overlook him and opt for the Spurs man but now the landscape has changed and suddenly I’m setting up with the Dutchman as the foundation for my team, with the rest of my selections dropping in around him.

The armband is a major concern. Yes, there will be weekly candidates who emerge but few, if any, can get close to the consistency we saw from Van Persie for long spells last season.

I’m well aware that I’ve clung to him like a security blanket and that my faith in Van Persie has cost me dear in the past but I much prefer the idea of starting the season with him and assessing what value is available elsewhere, rather than be forced to carry out major surgery ahead of Gameweek 4.

Of course the early wildcard is the solution but I want to have the choice, not be forced to play it because Van Persie has delivered a goal a game and is about to embark on a run of favourable fixtures.

The fact is, without Van Persie, I’m going into the season without any cover of the Champions’ attack. While Wayne Rooney flirted with the concept of offering an alternative last season, this time around that option looks unlikely. Unless Wilfred Zaha takes his opportunity or Shinji Kagawa cements the support role over Danny Welback, then it really is Van Persie or nothing.

While there are real concerns that David Moyes will struggle to inspire his team to the heights of previous campaigns, I see too much quality in the United lineup to risk overlooking them as an attacking force.

Essential? Not quite. Highly desirable and worth building your squad around? Right now, I really think so.

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  1. S31D
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    Your thoughts guys?

    Mignolet
    Zabelata, Terry, Mertesaker, Coleman, Collins, Dawson
    Hazzard, Wallcott, Mirallas, Coutinho, Morrison
    Dzeko, Lukaku, Lambert

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    1. TheSteel
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      • 13 Years
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      Several players youve chosen dont exist.

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    2. Cluub
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      6 at the back...interesting tactic

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    3. franco343
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      no sub goalie and an extra defender hmmmm, why not lose a defender and add a striker and you have cracked it my friend 🙂

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  2. spotfixers
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    12 years, 8 months ago

    Turner or Garrido?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      Turner

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  3. Mr.Helmut
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    Downing or Mikel as (C) ?

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    1. Smakies
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      mikel for sure !!! dgw !!! 😉

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      1. Mr.Helmut
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        Thanks, I had to make sure. Mikel is nailed on to score against hull and villa

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  4. The Bandit
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    I have to drive to Stoke tomorrow.. Reckon there will any trolls with harpoon guns under the bridges? 🙂

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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      I feel sorry for you

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    2. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
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      under? the bridges?

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    3. The Light Knight
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      Keep your legs inside the vehicle at all times 😉

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    4. Previn
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      I have to drive there most weeks.... never mind the trolls, it's them revolting oatcakes that you should avoid....

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  5. Woeisme
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    2 points off my driving license Today 🙂

    Just 6 to go now 🙁

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      12 years, 8 months ago

      Don't take a hit.

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  6. 41212 Bayol
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    would you guys prefer cazorla over walcott if they were priced the same?

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    1. Mr.Helmut
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      To me personally, no

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    2. Rui
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      No, Walcott in for a mega season imo.

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    3. smashy 'sophomore slum…
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      No sir.

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  7. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
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    best 5million def
    a. Toure (have Migs)
    b. Dawson
    c. Coleman
    d. Bassong
    e. Williams

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    1. Just One More Thing
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Coleman

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    2. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      coleman

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  8. Heytch
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    12 years, 8 months ago

    out playing footy tonight... who looked good for England... any injuries?

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    1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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      12 years, 8 months ago

      no injuries. Nobody really impressed for England in my opinion. Lambert got the goal but missed a couple of good chances at the end (1 hitting the post), welbeck MOTM? Baffling.

      Joe Hart made a big mistake for the 1st goal.

      Scotland probably had the stand out performers

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      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
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        I guess walcott played decent though. Rooney was dreadful

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    2. smashy 'sophomore slum…
      • 13 Years
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      FWIW Snodgrass looked lively for the Scots as well.

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      1. Heytch
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        thanks lads... interesting

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  9. Just One More Thing
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    According to one reputable bookmakers' site the two likeliest players to score a hat-trick in gw1 are Negredo & Aguero. 6-0 to City then 🙂

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  10. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Any truth in the twitter rumours that Anelka is shit and you only have him because you have RVP? 😛

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
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      😆

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    2. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      +1 i dont care how they dress it up but thats the only reason folk have him 🙂

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    3. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
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      If Anelka was priced at 6.5m he'd be in everyone's team 😀

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      1. PB-THE-VET
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        Not a hope. Rotation at wba gonna be ridiculous this year

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    4. Reedy
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      Haha!

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    5. Smakies
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      😀

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    6. Just One More Thing
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      I like the RVP/Lukaku/Anelka combo: 30+ points there I reckon 🙂

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    7. the axolotl
      • 14 Years
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      🙂
      still a proven goalscorer still scoring goals preseason for a reasonable team at a low price.
      disclaimer; i have rvp 😉

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    8. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Anelka plays for a team that will create plenty of chances for him. Lukaku didn't do it all on his own last season.

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  11. Dynamo Fuchtherest
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Lads, any changes recommended?

    Boruc

    Mertesacker Toure Zabaleta

    Walcott Coutinho Hazard Mirallas

    Soldado Sturridge Lukaku

    SUBS- Mannone, Chester, Brayford, R.Morrison

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    1. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Try taking off Hazard and bring on Mikel

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      1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Lmao at above

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      2. Dynamo Fuchtherest
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        12 years, 8 months ago

        Great shout, all that spare cash!

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  12. Jrot94
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone Sunderland fans have a view on Wes Brown? With the GK situation so screwy, I wonder if ole Wes is a better way to play Sunderland defense out of the gate.

    Basically change Cole/Mannone to Cech/Brown to get more certainty; all this presumes Wes is actually locked on. Any help appreciated

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    1. Demí
      • 15 Years
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      I wouldn't do that. He's very injury, so will only frustrate. Better off getting Celustka once he's added to the game. Should be 4.5 hopefully

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      1. Demí
        • 15 Years
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        *injury prone

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  13. the axolotl
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    guessing game i know but would anyone like to make a reasoned guess about a starting 4mil GK?

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    1. Zat Knight Rises
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      Without suspension or injury this does not yet exist

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      1. smashy 'sophomore slum…
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        Wicked grav sir.

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  14. dcarlito
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    RMT please, any suggestions welcome. Worried about the lack of Coutinho.

    Boruc (Speroni)
    Toure Mertesecker Coleman (Clyne, Ward)
    Hazard Mirallas Walcott Tonev (Thomas)
    RVP Sturridge Lukaku

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    1. An Púca
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      good team
      though Mirallas is a player I don't really rate

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      1. dcarlito
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        tight with the moula and couldn't afford Toilet Brush.

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  15. The Gambler.
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    Spurs down to 15 MFs now then.

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      1. ...---...
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        Never Eat Cheese, Eat Steak Sandwiches And Remain Young.

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  16. spotfixers
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    12 years, 8 months ago

    best 5.0 mid ?

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  17. Disco Stu
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    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    What are Sunderland fans thinking about Jozy after today's performance?

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    1. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      if its true thats pretty scary ! the guy is always a threat

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    2. Jairzinho
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006–07_Manchester_United_F.C._season
      26 December 2006 Wigan Athletic H 3–1 Ronaldo (2) 47', 51', Solskjær 59' 76,018 1st

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
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        i presume its meant for his Real Madrid goals

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    3. Maradona
      • 12 Years
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      The fact that Pele scored 650 recognised goals in his career, meaning that he could have scored in each of the 90 minutes 7 times each with change to spare leads me to believe this might not be accurate. F**k knows how many Romario thinks he scored in the 47th minute.

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  18. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
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    Remember when the Verminator when on a mad scoring run and was in everyone's teams? What happened to him, he used to cool? 🙁

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
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      *went

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      1. LMNO
        • 16 Years
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        be*

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 8 months ago

          Balls.

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    2. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      He passed the torch to Obi Mikel who's going to score at least 12 league goals this season

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  19. Leaf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Better late than never .At last done some kind of team .

    What do you think ? ...any advise particularly on some bargain( 4.5 and cheaper ) defenders better than I have
    Anyway ...

    Vorm , Marshall

    Coleman , Turner , Saylor , Baker ,C Dawson

    Hazard , Walcott , Mirelles , Koren , Morrison

    RVP , Giroud , Lukaku

    And .5 left

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    1. Tiote on Peyote
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Don't know if Baker is nailed on, wouldn't be keen on Morrison there's better out there in the same bracket. Also, you might want another DGWer, Benteke or a Chelsea defender. Overall decent though.

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      1. Leaf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks , yes not in love with my cheap mids . They rotate well for the first 6 and have some potential

        Not much around for 6.0 ...well not much I can see

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  20. Tiote on Peyote
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    My Dad's looking for a bit of feedback on his team,
    Apologies for another RMT.

    Cech
    Cole Baker Mert
    Mirallas Wally Haz Taarabt
    Altidore RvP Dzeko

    Harper Pozuelo Whittaker Mc Shane

    Don't hold back, thanks in advance.

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    1. TheSteel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Taarabt is a solid punt

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    2. BwG
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Hit the reset button

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    3. Dougal McGuire
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Taarabt will break your heaart

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  21. Zat Knight Rises
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Ok, just been hauling the nets. Some of them needed patching up so missed all the post games analysis. Any players of note pick up any form of injury tonight?

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  22. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Best option for the double

    a. Lampard
    b. Lukaku

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    1. Smakies
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      lukaku

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  23. Release The Ox
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone know if there'll be a Scoutcast tomorrow night??

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    1. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      I do!

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      1. Release The Ox
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        Care to share that info?

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  24. Plagued by indecision
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Is this defence horrific?

    Toure / Coleman / Collins / Turner / Chester

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Nope, solid.

      Three Chelsea attacking players?

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      1. Plagued by indecision
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        My front 8 are

        Hazard / Walcott / Coutinho / Mirallas / Morrison
        RVP / Lukaku / Anelka

        Like the balance. Not convinced by Anelka, but not many better options at that price.

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
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          Not a bad team actually.

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          1. Plagued by indecision
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 8 months ago

            Thanks. Have intermittent internet so this may be final draft. Like the flexibility RVP affords in the sense that if he doesn't perform in the first few games you can get anyone into replace him.

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    2. FPL Touches
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      12 years, 8 months ago

      *sick on dog*

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    3. Just One More Thing
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      It's nearly the same as mine but I have Koscielny in instead of Coleman, so yes it is....

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  25. Brumfor1st
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    What do people Reckon about Ravel Morisson? Great pre-season, will he get regular game time in the EPL though?! West Ham seem to have a pretty attacking midfield allready.

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    1. An Púca
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      has he the temperament yet to hold down a place just yet?

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  26. FPL Touches
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    WITH RVP MY TEAM LOOKS LIKE THIS:

    Foster (Lewis)
    Zabaleta - Koscielny - Murner (Brayford, Ward)
    Hazard - Walcott - Mirallas - Snodgrass (Livermore)
    RVP - Lambert - Lukaku

    WITHOUT RVP MY TEAM LOOKS LIKE THIS:

    Foster (Boruc)
    Ivan - Koscielny - Cameron (Murner, Chester)
    Hazard - Walcott - Silva - Mirallas (Morrison)
    Soldado - Giroud - Lukaku

    I'M NONE THE WISER 🙁
    :sobs:

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    1. Mr.Helmut
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      All you need on your team now is good ol' Mikel and Shola Ameobi and you're in business

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  27. kdizze
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Wisdom of the crowd: Soldado and Anelka or Lambert and Berbatov??

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    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 8 months ago

      Get rid of RVP

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      1. kdizze
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 8 months ago

        I don't have RVP lol

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  28. nevins84
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    Cuellar for GW1

    Yay or Nay???

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  29. jmol
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 8 months ago

    bale or no bale

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