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14 September 2013 2348 comments
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We’re woken from the international break snooze by a early kick-off that threatens to divide Gameweek fortunes. United’s Old Trafford clash with Crystal Palace is expected to be one-sided, with David Moyes’ men waking from their own slumber to put two consecutive blanks behind them with the Premier League new boys bearing the brunt.

Robin van Persie is lined up to be the main damage dealer but, with Wayne Rooney unexpectedly named in the starting XI, there is a joker in the pack, perhaps destined to fuel an old Fantasy debate. Could Rooney’s return overshadow a haul from the Dutchman? Can Ian Holloway’s side frustrate and keep the pair at bay? We’ll have our answers within two hours, from a match that looks set to have a big say in how our Gameweek shapes up.

Rooney’s inclusion is not the only surprise in the United lineup. Fabio is the man drafted in to fill the void left by injuries to Phil Jones and brother, Rafael. A largely forgotten figure, he will start at right-back. Anderson is another player brought in from the cold by Moyes; the Brazilian starts in midfield with Marouane Fellaini made to wait for his debut – he’s on the United bench. With Antonio Valencia starting ahead of Ryan Giggs, there’s no place amongst the substitutes for either Nani nor Shinji Kagawa, despite both being tipped to figure by this morning’s press.

As for Palace, they make just one change. Adrian Mariappa arrives to earn a baptism of fire. He slots into the back four and, significantly, it’s budget asset, Joel Ward, who drops out.

Our Dugout Discussion Chatroom is now open to cater for your real-time needs during this match and will remain available right through to the late kick-off at Goodison.

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  1. In Like Flynn.
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    1 more Utd for my 3.0 IKTS prediction.

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    1. In Like Flynn.
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      Oh Bugger!

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  2. YankeeDoodleDandy
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    Seriously though, what is the deal with the bonus point system? Where is the logic in giving every defender but Vidic bonus points? No bonus for RVP? Please go back to the days when a mystery man just assigned the points... They tried to fix something that wasn't broken and now it is 100x worse.

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
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      +1

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    2. SW6
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      RVP didn't do anything special. Vidic is just unlucky, maybe just a few less passes or clearances than Rio and Evra

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      1. YankeeDoodleDandy
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        But isn't that the point? A few less passes and he loses out on the BPs?

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        1. SW6
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          Got to differentiate somewhere. Would be silly giving the whole back four 2baps

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    3. Namtab Nomolos
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      When the games had 2-3 goals minimum it was probably more balanced.

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      1. Namtab Nomolos
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        The bonus was broken when it was based on PPI too.

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    4. Miracallas
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      I really like it

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    5. TorresMagic™
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      • 16 Years
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      Passes are a joke towards BPS.

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    6. Billy Gilmore
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      So scoring a penalty should mean you're guaranteed baps?

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      1. YankeeDoodleDandy
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        Scoring a goal in a 2-0 should get you a baps, yes. I don't even think he was on baps when it was 1-0.

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    7. Nomar
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      +1000000, Yankeedoodledandy.

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    8. Gravless wonder
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      Problem is not having a deciding factor between multiple players. Other than that the system is better than last years and better than the days of Charlie Adam (3), both of which just handed the scorers the bonus.

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  3. FORCA INTER
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    I cant resist it

    RVP 😆

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    1. The Machine
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      Soldado scored yet?

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      1. Messi & fabregas
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        even if he doesnt , 14 million is a lot on one player, even though he is the best goal scorer

        soldado assist would do

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    2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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      HAHAHA he scored a goal HAHAHAH

      What?

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    3. Nopli -The Banned One (Solo…
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      +1 😆

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    4. In Like Flynn.
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      Is he your captain Forca?

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        He doesn't have him.

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    5. Obi Wan Elokobi
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      If Brady scores or assists I'll take his one goal

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    6. MJ6987
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      A goal for my captain - I always class that as a success

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  4. Mr. Greedy
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    Every BTsport match I've seen, Michael Owen has given the defensive mid the MOM

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    1. Dynamic
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      Should have been Rooney imo

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      1. Jimbo123
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        Nonsense

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    2. aehii
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      He has to find new ways to be boring.

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  5. Piggs Boson
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    One punt down. Moses still to come...

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    1. The Finnisher
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      MÖSES

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      1. Piggs Boson
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        😀

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  6. The Machine
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    Cleanies will dry up they said...

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    1. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
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      When they said that, I don't think they thought Utd at home to Palace would become a goalfest for both sides

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    2. Rödallegabomb ᴿᴮ
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      Its last years prem champions VS one of the worst defences in last years championship.

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    3. Whiskerz
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      1 game into the week.
      Premiership champions Vs the supposed worst of the promoted sides at home.
      Away team with a player sent off just before halftime.

      How definite do you want your CS to be?

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  7. moment
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    Think I'm going to start playing 4-3-3 next week. They hadn't thought through this BAP system when they set the player prices...

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  8. Jimbo123
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    Can't wait for other matches to kick off so all this childish RVP talk stops.

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  9. EmreCan Hustle
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    no bonus for rvp, that's just great 🙁

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    1. Miracallas
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      agreed!

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    2. Mr Smith
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      should get 1 when his 'winning goal' bps is added.

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  10. FPL Touches
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    RVP one goal for me as expected, bring on Benteke (C)

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  11. Bartowski
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    Did no one at BT Sport actually have a conversation with Michael Owen before deciding that he'd be perfect for their commentating position?!

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    1. SPorting
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      Someone did chat to Michael but he fell into a coma and couldn't warn anyone.

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      1. Bartowski
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        Ah that would explain it, presumably he then forged his signature on the contract...

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  12. big oak
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    rooney 3 baps
    ferdinand 2
    evra 1

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  13. champion_elect
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    Anyone else having serious refresh issues with the posts?
    Any news on wtf happened with nani?

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    1. big oak
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      welbeck and kagawi is well explained
      no explanantion for nani

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      1. In Like Flynn.
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        Kagawa was punished for talking to the press.

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      2. champion_elect
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        ta

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    2. In Like Flynn.
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      Are you on IE?

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      1. champion_elect
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        yes

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    3. Rui
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      Had problems earlier with my android phone. Seems ok on me laptop (using Chrome)

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  14. r0nh
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    A few notes:

    Palace had the second worst defence in the top half of the league last year
    Palace have played most of the game with 10 men
    Utd only scored 2 set pieces
    It was never a penalty

    If I was a Utd fan, Id be more than a little concerned.

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    1. jimnastics
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      Genuinely thought Utd played well today, could / should have scored a bucket load. I wouldn't be worried at all if I was a fan.

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      1. r0nh
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        Against 10 man Palace...

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        1. jimnastics
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          They dominated the whole game mate... I literally do not understand some people on this site who seem to have no idea. RVP isn't firing, Rooney doesn't look fully fit. When (not if) those two things change, they will hammer many a team in this league.

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      2. Hughes Your Daddy
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        Our best player injured, our manager in the stands, lots of new players first time playing together, goal form a dodgy pen (never inside the box) and a free kick from a non fowl (player tripping over his own feet) and not worried? just wow.

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    2. Miracallas
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      Definitely. It's not like they have quality which isn't performing. They are just playing about the level they should be without Ferguson adding on 50%

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    3. aehii
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      I am concerned, but more just annoyed Moyes doesn't give the 3 players who'd transform this side, Kagawa, Nani, and Januzaj more playing time.

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  15. GoonerByron
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    Hope City get smashed by Stoke, no Aguero has ruined my afternoon!

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    1. Mull
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      Zabaleta goal coming up.

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    2. Miracallas
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      Took him out for Tekkers. Hope his poor away record continues

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  16. Plagued by indecision
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    Being on here makes me a very unpleasant person. All the "LOLs" at RVP scoring a goal have made me hope Benteke gets sent off.

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    1. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
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      Yes please!!!!! Would LOVE that.

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    2. Smarty Pants
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      Unfortunately, a lot of people here lose their dignity during the games.

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      1. Miracallas
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        Just banter!

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    3. Miracallas
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      🙂

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    4. Woy of the Wovers
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      And so the cycle goes on. While this is happening, defenders will keep hoovering up the baps.

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  17. tm245
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    Love how RVP keeps looking at the FFS need for each match he's in to be a reckoning/referendum on an entire team philosophy and simply laughs, doing just enough to keep the debate brewing.

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    1. SW6
      • 13 Years
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      And the Rooney vs RVP debate is just beggining again 🙂

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  18. Professor Abel X
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    Full time?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      Correct.

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      1. Professor Abel X
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        Woo hoo Correct Score win!

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  19. The Machine
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    Any RVP owners with Soldado?

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    1. FPL Emu
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      Sold Soldado for RVP. Had the exact amount in the bank. Just couldn't resist it. And Soldado has looked poor imo.

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    2. Sánchez
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      Yes me

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    3. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
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      Yep. RVP / Soldado / Giroud

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    4. jurgenizer | TRIPEIROS
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      o/

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  20. Sánchez
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    With

    11, 10, 9 and RVP 8 baps currently
    Will RVP get 1 more for deciding goal and get 1 bap?

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    1. lazybones18
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      no

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      1. Sánchez
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        Why?

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      Doubt it.

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  21. boc610
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    yup...

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    1. boc610
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      *reply to Nate

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  22. Al Pacino
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    What have Fabio and Vidic done to not deserve bps? Don't understand, if it's down to passes that's really silly.

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    1. The3rdTurd
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      Pass completion. Ferdinand and Evra over 90% and both get baps.

      Fabio and Vidic 88% and 84% respectively, and don't get baps.

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  23. Piggs Boson
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    1 played, 18pts.

    Walcott(C)ers could upset the party...

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  24. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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    So Rooney spares Moyes' blushes, at home to a 10 man Crystal Palace.

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  25. FPL Touches
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    Yesssss Ferdinand over Vidic worked out, 2 BAPs!!

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  26. Harry Ball Bag™⚽⚽…
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    Think ill swap rvp for Rooney n free up some cash

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    1. FPL Emu
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      If so I'd rather get a nailed on striker with penos, like Benteke/Soldado. Think Rooney might come back to haunt ya.

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  27. Azerbaijan Shopping Centre
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    • 13 Years
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    happy with that .... all rivals had rvp

    And leader of league had Fellaini captain .....

    Now bring it home Tekkers and Arsenal

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  28. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
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    Huddlestone and Agbon for England.

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  29. Acquafresca
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    Who started for City?

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      No Dzeko, No Aguero. Jovetic & Negredo start.

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  30. SkyByBo
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    RVP scored a goal, hit the bar, narrowly missed the top corner, had a few other chances. He was unlucky to get just 1 goal. But still 12pts from captain when all others are still on zero isnt bad.

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    1. Mull
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      • 14 Years
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      This. I'm happy to keep him and will captain him in the 5 games after the Ci.ty match

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