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14 September 2013 2348 comments
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We’re woken from the international break snooze by a early kick-off that threatens to divide Gameweek fortunes. United’s Old Trafford clash with Crystal Palace is expected to be one-sided, with David Moyes’ men waking from their own slumber to put two consecutive blanks behind them with the Premier League new boys bearing the brunt.

Robin van Persie is lined up to be the main damage dealer but, with Wayne Rooney unexpectedly named in the starting XI, there is a joker in the pack, perhaps destined to fuel an old Fantasy debate. Could Rooney’s return overshadow a haul from the Dutchman? Can Ian Holloway’s side frustrate and keep the pair at bay? We’ll have our answers within two hours, from a match that looks set to have a big say in how our Gameweek shapes up.

Rooney’s inclusion is not the only surprise in the United lineup. Fabio is the man drafted in to fill the void left by injuries to Phil Jones and brother, Rafael. A largely forgotten figure, he will start at right-back. Anderson is another player brought in from the cold by Moyes; the Brazilian starts in midfield with Marouane Fellaini made to wait for his debut – he’s on the United bench. With Antonio Valencia starting ahead of Ryan Giggs, there’s no place amongst the substitutes for either Nani nor Shinji Kagawa, despite both being tipped to figure by this morning’s press.

As for Palace, they make just one change. Adrian Mariappa arrives to earn a baptism of fire. He slots into the back four and, significantly, it’s budget asset, Joel Ward, who drops out.

Our Dugout Discussion Chatroom is now open to cater for your real-time needs during this match and will remain available right through to the late kick-off at Goodison.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Yossi
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Does pass completion % still have to be added for baps? RVP was 91%....

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    1. Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Didn't make enough passes for it to matter.

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      1. Yossi
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah just looked and apparently its 30 minimum, oh well, gotta clutch at something 😛 !

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    2. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      I assume stuff like that gets added later on.

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    3. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Have to complete 30 passes.

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      1. MJ6987
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Again, weighted towards central defenders and against strikers

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Rooney managed quite comfortably. Strikers get 8 for a goal ffs.

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    4. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      30 passes.

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    5. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      It's added in real time, but RVP only had 22 passes

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  2. ManTree(v2!) or just JAY!
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    RVP was man utd biggest threat, had most shots, and scored a pen.

    Yet no bonus.

    Absolute joke

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    1. Lucy.
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      BPS this year is really questionable.

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Most of his shots were off target.

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    3. Yes Don
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Same as the last three weeks. New system favours defences that keep cleanies. Joke's on you sunshine!

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    4. Podge
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      5 defs, sorted

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    5. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      didn't deserve any

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    6. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      He also had the most shots off target, was dispossed more than anyone else, and made no defensive contribution at all.

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    7. Red5
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      The baps system is utter trash, but no way should RVP be getting baps out of that game.

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  3. Lucy.
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    RVP is simultaneously both attractive and disappointing. Scoring just enough points to make him an interesting debate but not a dead cert. Suspect the debate will rumble on and those of us without him will keep skating on thin ice.

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  4. MJ6987
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Decent start for my WC team. 18 points plus a chance for Rio baps. So far, so good. 🙂

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  5. jurgenizer | TRIPEIROS
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    No bonus for RvP... 🙁

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  6. nedfoo
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    RVP (c) here.

    Lets be honest, a goal was not enough. Call me greedy, but we all expected more.

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    1. Demí
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Baps likely no?

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      1. Yes Don
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        nope

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        1. Demí
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          ooft

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      2. Azerbaijan Shopping Centre
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        no baps .... may be awarded one if his goal is deemed as winning goal but he is behind Rooney, Ferdinand and evra

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      3. Smarty Pants
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        He'll get one bonus point after the winning goal extra BPS is added as it stands atm

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    2. Whiskerz
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      You didn't buy him for one game though, surely?

      Reevaluate after the actual period you intended to own him for is over.

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      1. nedfoo
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Yea, I bought him for the long term.. but that doesn't mean I shouldn't expect some instant short term returns 😉

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  7. jas5sk - Youtube channel
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    And Robin said unto them, " Bring me your tired, your hungry, your sick and tired. Your huddled mass yearning for Fantasy points"

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  8. Rafabio
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    OptaJoe ‏@OptaJoe
    59s
    40 - Wayne Rooney has now scored or assisted 40 goals in his last 44 Premier League appearances. Leader.

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    1. Elniñorules
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      His consistency is phenomenal.

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  9. SPorting
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Brayford -> Vidic was always going to be a good move but I'll take those points. Even without a bonus.

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  10. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Those with Nani and without RVP, would you have taken this outcome before the lineup was announced?

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    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Yes, glad he wasn't on the bench. JWP will come on, ah what a smelly punt.

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Same for me. Hopefully JWP starts.

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    2. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Yes.

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    3. SW6
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Yep

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  11. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone have the long list of teamsheets?

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    1. Demí
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Click on sort by sticky comments first, and you'll easily find it

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    2. Yossi
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Sort by discussion rating

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    3. In Like Flynn.
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      It's stickied LR

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    4. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Parm a few pages back.

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  12. Mighty
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Decision made, RVP out. Best player in the league for me, but not obliterating teams like when Henry and especially Ronaldo were £14m. Sturridge, for example, is offering the same outputs for £5m less.

    Worth the WC, but upgrading Chester to Rio, Barkley to say Eriksen and RVP to Sturridge and you've got much more potential for the same cost.

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    1. SkyByBo
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Look at those fixtures..... he could have had a hatrick today, 3 goals in 4 (3 very tough games) is not exactly bad!

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      1. Mighty
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Yeh but Rio Ferdinand could as easily match RVP's points over those fixtures, and then so much more with other players.

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    2. jimnastics
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Sturridge will almost certainly drop off when Suarez returns. Giroud, Benteke and Soldado I'd say are where it's at (may be Lambert if he can get it going).

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      1. Mighty
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Didn't last season when they played together!

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    3. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      I can't emphasise enough how much I think you'll regret it. A derby match then 7/8 juicy fixtures coming his way. You really want to have that fear every week for the next 2 and a bit months?

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    4. aehii
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Who are you swapping Van Persie for? I'm thinking Lukaku. If he plays.

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      1. Mighty
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Sturridge if I had to make the transfer now.

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        1. aehii
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Oh do that. I've had Sturridge from the beginning. I suppose him and Suarez is a bit like Rooney and rvp, you don't know who's going to steal all the points. Seems like Rooney this time.

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    5. Corrigan
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Rio and Sturridge are injury prone.

      Eriksen has yet to play a single second of EPL football. All other big hitting mids are duds.

      But go ahead.

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  13. Jacketts Potatoes
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Where can I go to find current bonus points from each match ?

    Had something a few weeks back but can't find now

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      FPL site, click game then detailed stats.

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  14. Scottys Army
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    im considering getting rooney and i would keep rvp.

    points galore

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  15. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    definite advantage to non rvp owners. 6-7 points (owed a winning goal point i believe) in that fixture is not good enough

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    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      He didnt score the winning goal though?

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      1. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        ah this old chestnut again

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        1. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Oh does he still get it?

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      2. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        The winning goal is the one that puts them in the lead surely?

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    2. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Do you get a winning goal point with in a 2-0 win ?

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      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        I think Negredo did last GW.

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      2. Mr Smith
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Yes, its the player to score first for the winning side.

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    3. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      I reckon its about a draw so far tbh. Depends how well other popular captains do.

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    4. McDog
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Agreed. You'd be happy with that return from a 9M player but not a 14M one.

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    5. YankeeDoodleDandy
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Can't tell until Soldado and others play, but yes I'm an RVP owner and feel like I lost this morning.

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  16. PogChamp
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Why would anyone laugh at RVP captainers when their captain is yet to play?

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    1. YankeeDoodleDandy
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Schadenfreude.

      Don't worry, we will get the last laugh when Soldado goes for a 2-pointer.

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  17. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Did evra get BAPS?

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      1

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  18. Fred the Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    What happened to Connolly? Is he injured?

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  19. Gigging Order
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Everyone is saying RVP no bonus, but surely he will share the 1 point with Evra?

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    1. Podge
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Not at the mo no

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Not if he doesn't get another point for winning goal/it's already added.

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  20. Oflow
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    The Bonus Point System is great...

    People are just mad that FPL has realised that scoring isnt the only important part of a football match.

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    1. SkyByBo
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Where can we see live bonus points??????

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    2. Scottys Army
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Yes pointless shirt passes from defence are more vital .....

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      1. Oflow
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Not unless they keep a clean sheet though.

        And The passes apply to everyone equally 😉

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    3. In Like Flynn.
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Correct.

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    4. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      ^^ This.

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    5. Red5
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Merely nerfing attacking players and boosting defenders really shouldn't be enough to consider it a 'great' bonus system. If that was all they wanted to achieve they could have just added a point to CS and docked a point from goals.

      I'd consider it a 'great' bonus system if it reasonably accurately reflected and rewarded the best performances in a match, but it totally fails in that regard.

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  21. Bielsa's Bucket
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    How is Rio gonna end up with BAPS? the guy was an absolute egg during the match and nearly gave away a goal to Gayle, his positioning was all over the place.

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    1. YankeeDoodleDandy
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      But he had so many passes to other defenders!

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  22. Brian (Not the Messiah)
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    lol @ nani not even on the bench 😆

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  23. tm245
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    9m men -- to your stations! There is work to be done...

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Agreed! Studge/Wally/Soldado!

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        +Michu!

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        1. SW6
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          +Benteke!

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    2. Yes Don
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      good luck to them fellas!

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    3. tm245
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Benteke Soldado Walcott Coutinho here

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    4. Bielsa's Bucket
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      You guys sound like Power Rangers

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  24. Sarnab
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Will RVP get an extra BPS for the winning goal ??

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    1. SkyByBo
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      no

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    2. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Apparently yes

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    3. bennydebull
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      yes

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    4. Mr Smith
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Yes

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  25. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    3.1m in the bank. I'm hoping Ozil shows some promise today to get him in for Mirallas next week. Is it worth it when he plays Stoke?

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  26. MadeinIreland
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    BPS are a joke - how does Ferdinand get 2 points for running around at the back - he hardly touched the ball all game

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    1. SkyByBo
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      lots of successful 5yd passes, evra was far better than any other defender today.

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    2. Podge
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Time to catch up, defs= baps

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    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Made lots of passes amongst other things.

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  27. COW
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Are there any PL games on Sky today?

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  28. McDog
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Rooney at 10.5M. Hard to ignore.

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      after a yaya toure performance, debateable

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  29. Brian (Not the Messiah)
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    bonus for vidic?

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    1. Azerbaijan Shopping Centre
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      no

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  30. EssienTheSon
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    And Dawson starting again. Every game people say he is losing his place but doesnt seems like that

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    1. YankeeDoodleDandy
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Believe nothing you read on here.

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