Euro 2016
6 June 2016 840 comments
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Gareth Bale is afforded a sub role off the bench as Wales lose 3-0 to Sweden. Romelu Lukaku nets again as Belgium come from behind to get the better of Norway, whilst Burak Yilmaz celebrates his return to the Turkey first XI by notching the winner against Slovenia.

Sweden 3 Wales 0

Mikael Lustig grabbed a goal and assist as Sweden chalked up a first win in four attempts with a 3-0 home victory over Wales.

At a price of 5.0 in Uefa, the right-back – who produced more efforts in the box than any team-mate – is easier on the budget than fellow defenders Martin Olsson and Andreas Granqvist, at 5.5 apiece. The Swedes have now conceded just once in the last three, though frustratingly for Fantasy managers, the 4.0-priced Viktor Nilsson Lindelof’s run of three straight starts came to an end after a recall for Erik Johansson saw him drop to the bench.

In midfield, Emil Forsberg looks to have cemented the role on the left of a 4-4-2. The 5.0-priced winger – who has started each of the last three – found the net and delivered three key passes, more than any home player.

Rested for the goalless draw against Slovenia last week, Zlatan Ibrahimovic supplied the assist for Forsberg’s opener before being replaced around the hour-mark, whilst John Guidetti (6.5) emerged from the bench to finish the scoring. Despite his strike, Guidetti seems unlikely to oust Marcus Berg (7.0) as Ibrahimovic’s partner up front.

It’s three defeats and a draw in four now for Chris Coleman’s side, who are showing few signs of form ahead of the tournament.

Gareth Bale was afforded a brief run out as a second-half sub due to his Champions League exertions with Real Madrid. Despite being on the pitch for just 26 minutes, Bale still produced four attempts on goal – more than any Wales player, with Aaron Ramsey (three) next in line. Having played a part in nine of his side’s 11 goals over qualifying, thanks to seven goals and two assists, the former Spurs man’s influence on Coleman’s attack is more than apparent and has earned him 11% ownership in Uefa.

At the back, James Chester continues to look an assured pick and is the cheapest on offer at 4.5. With one clean sheet (against Andorra) in seven, though, there’s very little faith in the Wales defence at this point.

Sweden XI: Isaksson (Olsen 46); Lustig, Johansson, Granqvist, Olsson (Augustinsson 46); Larsson, Kallstrom, Lewicki (Ekdal 61), Forsberg (Durmaz 61); Berg (Guidetti 76), Ibrahimovic (Kujovic 61)

Wales XI: Hennessey (Ward 46); Chester (Collins 64), A Williams, Davies; Gunter, King (Bale 64), Vaughan (Edwards 64), Taylor; Ramsey, J Williams (Huws 74); Vokes (Church 73)

Belgium 3 Norway 2

Belgium came from behind to overcome a stubborn Norway outfit 3-2 in Brussels.

Romelu Lukaku produced four attempts and was in the goals again – the Everton frontman has now scored in four successive matches, yet is owned by just 9% of Uefa managers so far.

Eden Hazard and substitute Laurent Ciman also found the net, whilst Kevin de Bruyne and Toby Alderweireld were attributed with assists. Once again, De Bruyne was the creative lynchpin for Marc Wilmots’ side and produced six key passes – at least twice the number of any team-mate. He has now created 19 chances in his last two appearances and is owned by 16% of Uefa managers, more than any team-mate.

Wilmots lined up with two 4.5-priced full-backs yesterday. The Red Devils boss switched Jason Denayer from centre-half onto the right, whilst Jordan Lukaku was stationed on the opposite side of defence after Thomas Vermaelen missed out with a muscle strain. Lukaku created a trio of chances and has also earned a couple of assists in recent friendlies – if Vermaelen fails to recover, he could be a real under the radar option. A run of seven matches without a shut-out suggests Wilmots’ side may continue to struggle in the absence of Vincent Kompany and Nicolas Lombaerts.

Belgium XI: Courtois; Denayer (Ciman 73), Alderweireld, Vertonghen, J Lukaku; Witsel (Fellaini 57), Nainggolan; Mertens (Origi 80), De Bruyne, Hazard (Dembele 84); Lukaku

Slovenia 0 Turkey 1

It’s just one defeat in 16 matches now for Turkey after last night’s 1-0 win in Slovenia.

After proving his fitness with a sub appearance in the previous friendly, Burak Yilmaz returned to Fatih Terim’s starting XI and bagged the only goal of the match. Top scorer in qualifying with four strikes from eight appearances, the 8.0-priced frontman played for 90 minutes and looks to have cemented a starting berth for the tournament.

In the centre of the park, Hakan Calhanoglu earned the assist for Yilmaz’ strike before making way at the break. Priced at 7.5, the Bayer Leverkusen man is the most popular Turkey player in the Uefa game with 5% ownership and also scored against Austria and England in the three preceding matches.

Wide man Volkan Sen (5.5) had started three of the four prior to yesterday but was afforded just 45 minutes after the break as Terim opted for Oguzhan Ozyakup on the right wing instead.

Turkey have now served up back-to-back clean sheets after keeping out Montenegro last week. Caner Erkin and Mehmet Topal are the only two players to start each of the last three matches over the past fortnight in defence but, frustratingly, both are listed as midfielders in the Uefa game – this leaves keeper Volkan Babacan as the only viable, secure pick amongst Terim’s backline regulars.

Turkey XI: Babacan; Gonul, Topal, Balta, Erkin (Koygasi 64); Inan (Malli 83); Calhanoglu (Mor 46), Tufan, Ozyakup (Sen 46), Turan (Sahin 74); Yilmaz (Sahan 90)

Serbia 1 Russia 1

Russia roll up to the Euros on the back of a single win in five after registering a 1-1 draw against Serbia.

Lone striker Alan Dzyuba opened the scoring with just five minutes remaining thanks to an assist from Aleksandar Kokorin, who was again stationed on the right of a 4-2-3-1. Although he’s classified as a forward in the Uefa game, Kokorin (7.0) has scored or assisted in each of the last three matches and is cheaper than the 8.0-priced Dzyuba.

At the back, recent friendlies suggest that Igor Smolnikov and Vasili Berezutski, at 5.0 apiece, are the cheapest routes into Leonid Slutski’s defence. Russia were fairly resilient in qualifying, with five clean sheets in ten, but they’ve looked far less secure in recent matches and managed a single shut-out in five.

Russia XI: Akinfeev; Smolnikov (Shishkin 62), V Berezutski, Ignashevich, Schennikov (Torbinski 76); Shatov (Shirokov 75), Denisov (Glushakov 51), Golovin (Ivanov 60); Kokorin, Dzyuba, Smolov (Mamaev 46)

Czech Republic 1 South Korea 2

Czech Republic suffered a 2-1 home loss to South Korea in their final pre-Euro 2016 friendly yesterday afternoon.

The hosts managed more than double the number of attempts (15 to seven) than their visitors, though Pavel Vrba’s decision to make six substitutions in the second half meant that no Czech player produced more than two efforts on goal.

Having scored as a sub in each of the previous two, Tomas Necid (7.0 in Uefa) was handed the chance to lead the line but failed to impress and managed a single attempt on goal before making way on 79 minutes.

Central midfielder Vladimir Darida was the chief creator for the Czechs and served up four key passes without success. Setting you back 6.5 in Uefa, Darida was top for attempts on goal and second for chances created over the qualifiers.

Defender Marek Suchy netted the home side’s goal, with Jaroslav Plasil supplying the assist, though neither looks likely to find a way into the starting XI.

In the heart of defence, Vrba is clearly still undecided on his regulars – Tomas Sivok, Michal Kadlec and Roman Hubnik have all started two of the last three friendlies after the former two got the nod yesterday. Given that the Czechs have a single clean sheet in 22 matches, it’s fair to say that most will be giving their backline a wide berth anyway. Granted, yesterday’s result wasn’t helped by the dismissal of Theodor Gebre Selassie, though, with the left-back receiving his marching orders on the hour mark.

Czech Republic XI: Cech; Kaderabek (Limbersky (46), Sivok, Kadlec (Suchy 46), Gabre Selassie; Pavelka (Plasil 46), Darida; Sural (Skalak 46), Rosicky, Krejci (Pudil 71); Necid (Skoda 79)

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  1. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    You can use statistics to "prove" anything. Especially a superficial one like goals conceded. Watching the footballers and applying your own experience and knowledge of the game is the only way to judge a player.

    "Looking assured and composed" must be the new fashion in pretending to do analysis without making any intelligible point.

    The "broader, eye-test style" = biased and unfounded opinion

    Are ridiculous statements mate. Arsenals defenders are certainly more dodgy than their GA suggests. Watching them that is obvious. Their superior defence has much more to do with them completely dominating almost every match than it has to do with the defenders ability. By your gauge you can never watch a team play, look at the goals conceded column, and know more about the individual defenders ability/focus/mentality then someone that watches them weekly.

    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      It's a re-fly snail topper ftw 😎

    2. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Peter Cech is also a big reason for their GA stats

      1. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        He's certainly an improvement on what they've had but I agree with the other lads he's half the player he was.
        All seemed to go to sh@t after that head injury. Maybe coincidence

        1. pompeyfan
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          ^^ exactly this!

        2. Eden Hazardous
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Still one of the top 3 keepers in the league for me. I would much rather have Cech than Courtois personally.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            😯 how dare you

    3. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Oh and Alexis is an insanely good (and effective) footballer. Biased and unfounded opinion? Na I'd say just blatantly obvious with the good old eye test

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        "All stats no judgement" just about sums it up, Champ. 😕

        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Indeed

    4. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Why not to answer to the actual thread where we discussed this? Surely this was not an involuntary reply fail.

      Anyway, those are not at all ridiculous statements, ad they don't turn to such by you making awfully mishitting straw men arguments. (see the last two paragraphs for the straw man, I treat the points in order).

      "Eye-test style" analysis which consists just of "they look bad/good to me" is nothing but biased and unfounded opinion. It is in no way broader than stats-based analysis. It is, if anything, massively more narrow. It is, in fact, as narrow as it gets, based on one persons ability to judge a big picture by his single perspective. Prone to produce errors more often than finding a glimpse of truth.

      And please, tell me what is the objective criteria of "looking assured and composed" and the way it has been measured. As such, that statement can mean anything.

      What is a ridiculous statement is that "you can use stats to "prove" anything". It is about as meaningless as "I'm using a broader, eye-test style". Anything can be used to "prove" anything. Stats make no exception in the negative side. Your eye-test, that's something you can use to prove anything. Let me demonstrate:

      "Aguero, he looks so shaky and lacking composure, he's not a really top striker who could do it in the big stage" (despite the stats that back the opposite). There, Aguero eye-test proven to be not a top striker.

      In fact, that of course proves nothing. Just as Ziro's statement that Arsenal defence "doesn't look assured and composed" proves only that Ziro's opinion is that they don't so look. That means objectively nothing about the object of the statement.

      Stats are an exception in positive way, though, like all mathematics: they produce objective facts. The only fallacy can be in your use of them. Question is always what do we know by them. And the answer is usually not "nothing at all". In fact, while it is possible to lie with stats, it is almost impossible to give any true description without relying on stats.

      Finally, your "goals conceded column" point is a really, extremely cheap straw man against stats-based approach. Particularly bad straw man, because it is the "eye-test" people and not the stats people who are more committed to the actual goals scored and conceded. Goals conceded are there to be explained, statistical means are used to explain them. If you don't understand this, you should not be a part of this discussion, because then you just have no idea what the statistical analysis is.

      I'm 100% convinced that a guy who never watches a single football match, but does a full analysis with performance stats, positional maps (that means, the positional movement of the players during the matches, not just some final approximate average position formations), etc. knows more about how those football matches went than a guy who _only_ watches them and never takes a look at the stats and positional mappings.

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Biddledy dee, biddledy dah...

        1. Camp No No
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Oh wow, what a great insight! Please tell me more! 🙄

          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Just summarising your post. Did I get it about right?

            1. Get up ya bum
              • 16 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              Yours was more insightful and less condescending :mrgreen:

              1. Camp No No
                • 12 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                Dude, after the post you wrote me, you complain my post being condescending? Get a grip! A little bit of honesty with yourself! You're being extremely rude, and when I give you, oh my, an actual intellectual argument, that is "condescending". Gee... I guess you're more than a bit sensitive then.

                1. Get up ya bum
                  • 16 Years
                  10 years, 6 days ago

                  Again with the personal attacks. Re read my op see who is being sensitive. It isn't in the slightest bit rude. Your "intellectual argument" is condescending as fook matey.
                  Don't worry I'm not bothered mate. My life is great. Some bitchy character on ffs doesn't effect me 🙂

                  1. Camp No No
                    • 12 Years
                    10 years, 6 days ago

                    Sorry, dude, but what you don't understand is that you should read your own post before blaming me for "being condescending" or "making personal attacks". Your own post does nothing but calls my statements ridiculous, states that the opposite to what I claimed is "obviously true on eye-

                    1. Camp No No
                      • 12 Years
                      10 years, 6 days ago

                      *on eye-test" or "watching them", and bluntly states that stats are worthless for being able to prove just anything. There is nothing but that extremely arrogant "I watch football hence I understand it and all you say won't change my greater understanding of it" in your original post, plus some insults on the opposite opinion being ridiculous. So, please, before you get all hurt for "personal attacks", try be more civilised yourself. Don't be that cry-baby dirty player, who deals blows but fakes an injury when he's hit back.

      2. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Sorry I can't even get past that first paragraph. Not an involuntary reply fail 😆 its all part of my masterplan

        1. Camp No No
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          If you can't read past 20 words, I'm really sorry for you.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Wow man

      3. pompeyfan
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        no, no, no, no. Your last para is just moneyball nonsense imo. No substitute for watching someone play. I would give people the benefit of assuming they can interpret what they are seeing with their eyes, rather than just read what someone else has recorded from a game that they watched.

        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Completely agree, but good luck with this guy

        2. Camp No No
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Those recordings are pretty accurate. The point is to make the argument that Champ made in a fair way, not supposing that there's one who watches and does analysis and the other who just "looks at the goal conceded column". The fair way is to see the two extremes, one the guy who watches football (from stands or by tv), the regular fan, and the other the statsman, doing all the analysis and not watching it. The latter knows immensely a lot more. And yes, it's moneyball, and it's not non-sense. It works. It works wonders. And it works wonders, because it is not based on individual people's weaknesses, but on facts.

          E.g. Billy Beane has been worth approximate $1.38 billion - $1.78 billion dollars for A's during 2000-2015, in terms of wins achieved by money spent to wages alone. That's not counting transfer profits, for example. Just wins by the player wages. That's how much more efficient a good moneyball manager is than your average manager. And yes, he's the most efficient manager, and by a huge margin.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            In baseball. It doesn't work in football. Ask hicks and Gillette

            1. Camp No No
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              That's nonsense. Football is more complicated, but still clearly analysable.

          2. pompeyfan
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            no he doesn't. This is the game of football, not a fund manager analysing the markets.

            1. Camp No No
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              Apparently you didn't understand. The point is: Billy Beane wins matches at a rate that on average costs about $100 million dollars for other managers to achieve in a single season, in player wages alone. That means HE WINS more. Not just that he makes money but HE WINS. That is what moneyball does. It works, because they know what happens better than people who don't rely on stats.

              And if you think the markets are somehow more stats than football, I recommend you go and see the real production plants, transports, sales etc. to see that a lot happens there too. And there too, you will find undereducated old-fashioned people who don't believe in statistics but "seeing it themselves", but significantly less of them than amongst the football fans.

              1. pompeyfan
                • 16 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                just wow, not sure I've ever seen such condescension. You don't have to talk to me about finance.

                I'm not talking about baseball, it's not a proper sport and not comparable.

                1. Get up ya bum
                  • 16 Years
                  10 years, 6 days ago

                  Full on eh

                  1. pompeyfan
                    • 16 Years
                    10 years, 6 days ago

                    enough for me. I'm out.

                    1. Get up ya bum
                      • 16 Years
                      10 years, 6 days ago

                      Haha ditto mate

                2. Camp No No
                  • 12 Years
                  10 years, 6 days ago

                  Talk about arrogance again "You don't have to talk to me about finance", lol. I wasn't even talking about finance, but everything else that there is on markets. From the point of view of finances, it may seem like it's all just an index. But that's just not the whole truth of it.

                  Anyway, if the last paragraph sums up your beliefs, as it seems, I just warn you, the stats revolution is happening in football already. The big clubs use them already, very well, much more than they let to know.As Holler said in an interview, statistical analysis is not an option, it is a must. Simply because that allows you to see and understand so much of what passes your eye, what you do not recognise when watching, to use the masses of events instead of single occurrences in decision-making, etc. It is still somewhat underdeveloped in football (and yet already very effective, there's a lot that can already be done!), but seen how it functions in other parts of the world, massive development can be achieved in the next 10-20 years.

        3. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          I like a combination between stats and the eye test. 🙂

          1. Camp No No
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            No way! 😀 Me too, but the people I'm talking with seem to be convinced that that's impossible, because once you draw out some players/teams stats, there's always somebody shouting "I've seen him/them play!" as if the fact of somebody having watched a player/team negated the stats.

          2. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Me too jazz

      4. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        This is bullocks but we are clearly too far apart to even bother debating, and your condescending approach does help matters. Good day to you sir

        1. Camp No No
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Oh well, the great "this is bullocks" argument. Thanks for sharing that great piece of insight, that will certainly change the way I see things from now on. 🙄

          By the way, I know you don't do maths, but see the pattern:

          "they are poor"
          "they don't look composed and assured"
          "this is bullocks"

          Hint: none of the statements is founded by anything at all.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            All the personal attacks are pathetic matey. Jog on

      5. George Sillett
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        We both know that stats can be used to good effect my friend without football knowledge!!

    5. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Spot on mate. Stats are a complete waste of time imo when compared to sitting and watching 90 minutes of football

      1. Wilshere Knowledge
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Depends on who is doing the watching. I'll take stats over Glen Hoddle or Michael Owen doing the watching any day! 😆

        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Hoddle is a football god, end of 🙂

          1. Wilshere Knowledge
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            He should stick to playing, and stay out of the commentary box. 😉

      2. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Yup

    6. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Monreal, Bellerin and Koscielny aren't dodgy themselves, I'd say it's a lack of defensive structure in our midfield that makes us look 'dodgy'.

      Sanchez not tracking backs often leaves Monreal completely exposed, but fortunetly he's a brilliant defender and can deal with that.

      It also helps that Koscielny is the best interceptor in the league, so he stops a lot of attacks at source.

      We also play narrow to protect important areas, and often allow crosses in the box for our centre backs to deal with, so this probably adds to it.

      1. Get up ya bum
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Very good points mate. I do think koscielny is overrated though and bellerin gets caught out a bit. Nacho looks a quality defender

        1. Wilshere Knowledge
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          I think pro-active defenders are perennially underrated, and the reactive ones overrated.

          There's basically two ways of defending, team structure (Chelsea, Atletico), or aggressive individual defending (Barca, Man City), and while the first is 'safer', you need more players to do it, and you lose out in possession and territory. And I think individual defenders in aggressive defending styles are very underrated in England. A player like Kompany, for example, is absoutely unbelieveable, to defend whilst being do exposed takes immense skill, and that's why good defenders like Otamendi look like chumps if their not good enough.

          Koscielny is the same. He made 4.02 interceptions per 90 last year, compared to Toby's (1.74) and Smallings (2.77). He is an absolute monster at what he does, and what he does is the modern way of defending. Bayern, Real Madrid, Barca and PSG all play that way, because possession and territory is so important nowadays.

          1. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Damn never thought of it that way. True man!

          2. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            That's very interesting 🙂 🙂

          3. Camp No No
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            100% agree with this. This is one illusion people have about the defenders and GK's of deep defending teams being so excellent, because when the whole team defends so deep it makes it easier for them, they will be active and mostly in situations where they will win at a good rate. But it takes really good defenders to enable a team to take an attacking and dominating approach. That's also one big reason why often a defender who looked really good in a lesser team will fail in a bigger one.

      2. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        ...which is why I am of the opinion that Xhaka is the most important signing Wenger has made since Vieira. And one that fundamentally changes the FPL value of some Arsenal players next season.

        Forget Vardy. Xhaka is the one that matters.

        1. Get up ya bum
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Looks like a great signing, a bit early for that call though eh? Let's see how he gets along

        2. Wilshere Knowledge
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          I don't think Xhaka is important defensively, because Coq is absolutely brilliant defensively, and underrated at what he does.

          I think Xhaka is important for transitioning the play. Where Coq and Caz complemented in each other, Xhaka will do both. (hopefully)

          And not many players can do both. Outside of Busquets and Alonso, the list is sparse.

          He's basically an upgraded Arteta, which could be good for Ramsey.

          1. djenzio
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Pogba can do both, Can is getting there. Kante.

            1. Get up ya bum
              • 16 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              Can sure is. Gonna be the real deal that guy

              1. Jazz!
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                Yep.

              2. djenzio
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                yeah really hope bayern don't come crawling back for him

            2. Wilshere Knowledge
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              I've never seen Pogba play as the pivot though, has he ever?

              Can is good, but more B2B than a holding pivot, and I don't think he has, currently, the intelligence to do so.

              Kante is a weird one, because he almost exists in the wrong era. I'd describe him more as a defensively inclined B2B, a little bit like Khedira. He doesn't pivot the midfield, and he's not good enough going forward to be the creative player in the pivot. He would however be a great foil to someone like Kroos however, like Khedira did with Alonso at Madrid, and Vidal did last season.

          2. Get up ya bum
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Elneny was very impressive

            1. djenzio
              • 11 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              true, seems Arsenal have a lot of options now in the middle of the park, who is gonna drop out for Xhaka?

      3. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I think this can be applied to Moreno who gets extreme amounts of abuse but Klopp plays with advanced/attacking full backs and when there is no protection then the full back gets the blame, now Moreno has his weaknesses but he is a brilliant player, he just gets the bulk of the blame for being out of position but in truth a team playing that style needs a proper DM covering those gaps.

        this is why, as mentioned below, Xhaka is a great signing, if Liverpool can get a proper CDM then Moreno (or hopefully Hector) and Clyne can attack more

        1. Wilshere Knowledge
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Moreno certainly offers Liverpool something. Great pace and great energy.

          And certainly any full back will do better with more protection, but he does still make too many errors, and full backs should absolutely be able to defend 1v1, and at the very least hold the inside and channel.

          1. djenzio
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            true his defensive works need improving for sure, but I think people are very quick to judge a player who makes an error and they don't look at the bigger picture,

            I like Moreno a lot but I think we can find a better left back, but heroes offer a lot of pace and energy as you say. I think Spurs had the right idea with rotating full backs, and Klopp did it at Dortmund

            1. Wilshere Knowledge
              • 12 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              Absolutely agree with this.

  2. BlzE_94
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Can you change captain to another player playing on the same day but at a later time?

    1. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      nope

      1. BlzE_94
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Thanks. What about with substitutions? Can i bring on a player who is yet to play for someone who has just played on the same day?

        1. Blurryface
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          nope

  3. Blurryface
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    RMT plz

    Kozacik/Patricio
    Hector Rami Schar/ Juanfran Hintereggar
    KDB Persic Grosicki Mak/ Junozuvic
    Muller Morata Giroud

    1. Belalugozi78
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Like it!

  4. djenzio
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    lichtsteiner or schlar?

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Find more money for Rodriguez?

      1. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I could do that if I get Nolito over Morata alright

        1. The Nuttmxn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Not sure on that but not against it.

    2. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Schär. Lich's last attacking returns in the national team were in 2014 WC. Prefer Schär to Rodriguez too.

  5. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Chelsea getting Morata is further proof you don't need CL to sign top players. You need money.

    1. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      true, and being based in london is a pretty big advantage too.

    2. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      And the name for the club as well. Everyone knows clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United are big clubs even if they don't have CL football.

      1. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        true, but London does have a factor too I am sure,

      2. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Man United signed Di Maria without CL iirc

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Yep, we were in no European competition when we signed him.

        2. djenzio
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          true but he flopped 🙂

    3. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Money talks.

      1. The Nuttmxn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, oh.

    4. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Are they actually getting Morata?

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        They've opened talks apparently. And Morata keen

    5. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      It's hard to believe that Arsenal actually signs Vardy, when they very obviously could have had Morata, then. There's no reason why they could not have had him, if Chelsea can.

    6. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      They got him? Damn great signing. My vet with blue lion ain't off to a good start 🙁

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Haven't got him, they've opened talks

    7. Eden Hazardous
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      We won't complete the deal till July 15th anyways I think due to the buyback clause to RM in his contract

  6. Bøwstring The Carp
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Any way to sort out stats tables so that it's just from the teams that have qualified?

    Sorry if asked already, been away since Friday

  7. TaiwanHC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Özil - 11.0
    Götze - 10.0

    Who would you pick?

    1. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Ozil

    2. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Gotze, easily. I'd pick Gotze over Ozil in the McDonalds game too and Gotze is £0.5m more

    3. UnitedFan
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Ozil.
      - security of mins
      - set pieces
      - more reliable pick

  8. Yankee Toffee
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Is Răzvan Raț in the Romanian team? I can't find him in the list for the UEFA McDonald's game.

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Yeah, he's £5.0m

      1. Ruth_NZ
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        5.5 I think.

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Oh, I'm pretty sure he was £5.0. Oops

      2. Yankee Toffee
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Cool, will take a look again, cheers

  9. Yankee Toffee
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    RMT please. Too top heavy?

    Patricio, Lopes
    Hector, Rami, Denayer, Kadlec, Strinic
    Ozil, Fab, Mak, Matuidi, Grosicki
    Giroud, Lew, Ronaldo

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Actually, I like it a lot. 🙂

      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I'd consider Alaba/Junuzovic in place of Grosicki though, since you have Lewandowski. Poland aren't that good although they have a decent GW1 fixture.

        1. Yankee Toffee
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          That's what I was shooting for, that Poland vs NIR game and then doing a WC in GW 3, maybe even GW2 if I flop. Thanks a lot for the input!

  10. SilkySkills
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    What are your thoughts on Rooney as an option?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Avoid.

    2. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Shrek, for me never.

    3. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Gonna be top england goalscorer 😉

      1. Evs
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        😆

        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Wanna give me 10/1? 😀

          1. pompeyfan
            • 16 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            to be England's? no chance. He might get a pen and end up being England's top scorer with 1!

            1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 16 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              That's my theory on how Shane Duffy will end up ROI's top scorer... but without the penalty bit lol

    4. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I actually think he is a decent option. I won't touch him. He's been trolling me endlessly in ff for years

  11. nandos3000
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    RMT
    (Latest draft)
    Sommer, Patricio
    Pepe, Hector, Juanfran, Piszcek, Rodriguez
    Dzemali, Forsberg, Grosicki, Perisic, Alaba
    Morata, Giroud, Ronaldo

    Worried about Swiss defence looking at the stats and hoping Morata will be nailed on!

    1. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Morata and Rodriguez are gambles. Otherwise looks pretty good.

      1. juggos
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        How are they gambles? Rodriguez is nailed on and takes several set pieces. Morata is leading the line for Spain though may be subbed early in some games

    2. Belalugozi78
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Midfield is light.. Downgrade rodriguez to schar and get Mak instead of Dzemaili

    3. Kun Tozser
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Switch Rod to Kos

      1. juggos
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I'd swap pepe instead to someone his price. The Rui Patricio and Pepe double may be a bit much especially since he has 4 players playing on the last day of the gameweek

        1. Kun Tozser
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Pepe to Schar

    4. nandos3000
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Thanks all, some great insights!

  12. Jazz!
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Can't sign into the Euros Fantasy (by Windows Live/Hotmail). Anyone else facing this problem?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Wait, an error message came up saying login via Windows Live is no longer supported ... 😕

      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        OK, managed to login now. 🙂

    2. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      My team disappeared for a moment too, not looking forward to Friday deadline...

      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        If there's some weird glitches during the substitution windows and captaincy switches ... 👿 😕

  13. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Ben Yedder to Sevilla seems to be likely.
    Would really have wanted to see him in Premier league.

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Agree, from what I've seen I'd have love to see a just off Europa into pushing for it.

  14. VS10_
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Now Denisov injured too. So Russia missing both of their first choice DM's with him and Dzagoev.

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      *checks Russia's GW1 opponents*

      Oh, its England ... Back to the drawing board

      1. VS10_
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Yep, don't really want any English, but Morata or Kane is one of the decisions.

  15. UnitedFan
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Care to share your thoughts on this?

    Patricio - Kozacik
    Srna - Juanfran - Schar - Koscielny - Hinteregger
    Ozil - Perisic - Weiss - Alaba - Sen
    Morata - Muller - Giroud

    Much appreciated.

    1. Blurryface
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Hintereggar plays on the last day. So if u sub him n he doesnt starts then it can be a loss. Otherwise I like the team

    2. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Good team, not a fan of Sen personally. Prefer other options like Stanciu and Forsberg at that price. Defence is very nice though I'm not sure Srna is good value, maybe downgrade him then upgrade Hinteregger (he's about 75% nailed but a risk as he's last day). Otherwise, it is great. 🙂

    3. Belalugozi78
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Don't know Sen but very good team

  16. djenzio
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    if Morata doesn't play will Nolito play central?

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Aduriz could start if no Morata.

    2. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Aduriz most likely. Don't think Bosque goes to false 9 with Cesc. Nolito is a winger.

    3. Give The Todd Some Love
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Aduriz?

    4. Wilshere Knowledge
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I don't think Nolito has ever played up front. Stylistically he's a Hazard type player, rather than a Sanchez.

      If Morata is injured, Aduriz will play, and if he were injured, thus exhausting their striking options, it would likely be Fabregas as a false 9 before anyone else.

    5. Belalugozi78
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      No.... Aduriz. But Morata will play. I read an interview with del Bosque in AS and it looks like both Morata and Nolito should start. He rates them very high. Morata may even play vs. Georgia

      1. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        cool, thanks guys. think I will hold Morata then

        does that mean Pedro misses out then?

        1. Belalugozi78
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          You can't say. "Pedro is Pedro" said del Bosque in this interview.... So as you can see. Nothing is clear

  17. Every Dog Has Its Day
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Beef at the top of the page.

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I'm a veggie so it's not for me.

  18. TheSaint
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    The euro fantasy app is playing up. I cant log in.

    1. fitzy
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      The app is being a real hassle for me right now. Shows my starting 11 as the amazing 3-6-3 formation. I'm just going to leave it for now.

    2. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I'm having problems with the website, I go to look at my team and see a blank pitch.

  19. Jambot
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    If I have a player i'm not sure is going to play and I put him on the pitch ahead of players who will play before him will he be auto-subbed if he doesn't play for someone who has already scored points or is the rule that players who have already scored cant come on?

    1. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      If you do any manual substitutions auto-subs won't happen.

      1. Jambot
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Thanks

  20. TheSaint
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Anyone else having issues logging in?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Yeah just faced some ... Finally logged in now.

      1. TheSaint
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        This is not the first time this has happened. There not the most reliable of sites. Very annoying.

  21. Beavis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Attempting to run a Sweepstake at work, what do I do if there's more than 24 participants? Estimating approximately 35 in total.

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Start another pool?

      1. Beavis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        But it won't be a complete pool?

        1. George Sillett
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          Get another 13 participants to start another pool.

    2. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Last in first out

  22. vsargo
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    i think its gonna be a Euro full of surprises...with the "bigger" teams really strugling to pass the group stage...but the ones who get there are going to get more serious and get to the finals.. so im hopping for a group stage where Ukraine, Romania, Austria, Slovakia, Turkey and Belgium will get the upperhand....

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Do you not think with more slots it would be easier to get pass the group stage?

  23. Captain Vantastic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Any good 4.5m defenders apart from the Belgian defenders?

    1. VS10_
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Durica (Slovakia) is a decent option, also Pazdan (Poland).

    2. Bøwstring The Carp
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Hinteregger

  24. alfoir
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Who would you spend 11.5m on?

    Joao Mario (Por, 6m); Mak (Slo, 6m); Forsberg (Swe, 5.5m); Stanciu (Rom, 5.5m)

    1. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Mak and Stanciu, though I've gone for Joao Mario over Mak as I have Hamsik.

    2. Margarido
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Stanciu and Mario

      1. alfoir
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Cheers. Might go Forsberg GW1 (vs Ire), then Stanciu for Switzerland and Albania?

    3. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Mak and Forsberg imho.

    4. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Either get Forsberg and Stanciu oand save £0.5 or shave off some cash elsewhere and stop being skint in midfield 😛

    5. Ginge10
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I have Mak at the moment but not 100% sure why ha

  25. Hooky
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Is Balders around much at the moment? Or maybe one of the mods could help? I'm due to get free membership for winning the Community Grand Play-Offs last season and I wondered how I went about sorting that out?

    1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      You wait until it goes up to 15£ to milk the most out of it 😉

        1. Hooky
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          🙂 great tune that

      1. Hooky
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Ha! I'm too impatient and want to know where I am in the Live HoF update!

        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
          • 16 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          urgh that's gonna be uncomfortable viewing 🙁

          1. Hooky
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            At least you've been up at the top end! I'm just hoping to make the top 100

    2. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      You must pray at the alter of the dullard and then you will be rewarded with free membership.

      1. Hooky
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        I already do that. Only took 3 hits last season 😉

    3. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Was this the one being run by Jarvish?

      If so you would need to ask him directly

      1. Hooky
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        No it was this one that was run by Balders.

        http://challonge.com/grandplayoffs

        Do I need to contact him directly?

        1. andy85wsm
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          That makes sense given you mentioned him in the post - I lose track of these things!

          You'd need to speak with him to find out how you're going to sort it out. He'll likely need to send you the membership fee basically - there's not a way (that I know of) which allows him to pay for it for you, he would need to give you the cash.

          1. Hooky
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 days ago

            Cheers Andy, I'll try to catch him on here at some point.

            1. andy85wsm
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 15 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              If you use Twitter he is on there - https://twitter.com/balders93

              1. Hooky
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                I try to stay away from any of that social media stuff. I did use friends reunited a few years back but then realised why I hadn't kept in touch with old school friends - I didn't like them 😆

                1. andy85wsm
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 15 Years
                  10 years, 6 days ago

                  😆

            2. J0E
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 16 Years
              10 years, 6 days ago

              I'll pop him an email and copy this link so all being well he can respond to you here.

              1. Hooky
                • 11 Years
                10 years, 6 days ago

                Cheers Jonty

  26. tm245
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    With the option for squad substitutions and captaincy changes throughout a Matchday, isn't this format quite VORP friendly? I'm having a hard time going below 5.0 for a defender and 6.0 for an attacker since I want balance and distribution of fixtures even more so than explosiveness with 5 bites at the captaincy apple.

    What are your price points for your
    2nd GK
    4th/5th Def
    5th Mid?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      £4.5m/£5.0m - haven't decided between Kozacik and Sommer
      £5.0m/£4.0m - as it stands
      £6.0m - as it stands

      1. tm245
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Nice. I'm souring on the Four Letter Names squad but will definitely be going all differentials -- just realized that transfers will be almost impossible if I stay with that theme so the novelty would wear off in a round or two. Alba Srna and Bale are nailed into my team, though, so I'll have a solid backbone of those names...

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 days ago

          😀

    2. alfoir
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      GK 5m
      4th/5th DF 5.5/4.5
      5th MF 5.5m

    3. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      5m
      5m/4.5m
      6m

      This is only because I've gone out of love with the idea of Ronaldo at the moment and had loads of cash to spare, if I didn't it would be all dirt cheap.

      1. tm245
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 days ago

        Yeah, not sold on Ronaldo or Lewandoski as much better than the 10.5m guys so that frees up cash for the rest to be pretty balanced.

    4. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      £4.5 (Kristinsson)
      £5.0 (Rami/Dier)
      £5.5 (Forsberg)

      I'm very pleased with the overall balance of my team. I've got less money in the attack than most people but it has meant I have strong players in every position (except perhaps in net)

  27. Scheister
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Anyone need another team in your league??

  28. tm245
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    @ Camp NoNo, I just read the top of the page and you would find a welcome home in MLB and sites like fangraphs.com -- WAR is a pretty amazing statistic used in baseball, will be interesting to see when it makes its way over to this game so the likes of Xhaka and Kante get their proper due. I think the xG stuff that Balders, Diva, and others discuss in the DZ will be an important stat in getting there.

    1. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      I'm starting to come round to the idea of xG etc the more I read up on it.

      It still goes mostly over my head but I get the idea around it.

  29. Ginge10
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Running a £10 Euro prediction comp with top 5 paid out. Email me at Nick.Gillett@awac.com if you are interested. This is my work email so please no swearing etc!

    Currently have around 60 at the moment. Top prize will be 50%, 2nd 25% then 3rd-5th the rest.

    Cheers

  30. TheSaint
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 days ago

    Whos on set pieces for austria and spain?

    1. RedGunPowder11
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 days ago

      Alaba, Silva and Fabregas