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18 June 2016 2557 comments
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Saturday’s events end with a collision between two sides scrapping for a Euro 16 foothold.

Austria arrived in France with a laudable record in qualifying and were considered a darkhorse. But Marcel Koller’s men were found wanting in their opening fixture, frustrated and eventually overwhelmed by the Hungarians.

That 2-0 defeat means that tonight’s meeting with Portugal is now more vital than ever.

Fernando Santos’ side are also in dire need of the victory.

They were unable to overcome an Icelandic barrier to earn victory in their opening group encounter and now found themselves on the back foot. Defeat to Austria would swing the group wide open, leading to a dramatic final round of matches later this week.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. GreenWindmill
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Those who are wildcarding - how much are you allowing possible price rises to affect your thinking?

    If we get the line ups and Payet isn't there would you lose him or keep just because his price will surely rise?

    What about Muller/Ronaldo? They could easily score big in their last games given the fixtures but if they blank again they're bound to drop in price...

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      As its unknown I've decided to just play for points, see below

    2. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      It's a niggling factor in the background, like a flickering fluorescent light in the decrepit office block of my mind. I'm trying to ignore it but it's the not knowing that makes it so hard to decide whether to discard it as a factor. What if Payet and the Spanish defenders go up 1.0 each? That would surely have to be a factor. 0.1 each wouldn't be worth thinking about. I'm going to be turning this over all day 🙁

      1. GreenWindmill
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        I'm sure your mind is a beautiful open plan living space with superb natural lighting and all sorts of clever little features that make for brilliant storage 🙂

        But yes, Spanish defenders would be another one - if you ditch them on a wildcard and they rise considerably you'll be sick to your stomach.

        1. roscola
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          For me it's fogging the decision of whether to WC or not. I don't think we'll get to make R16 transfers before the prices change so I don't want to be priced out of the basic essentials. If I knew the rise would be small, I might still WC but I'd be making the decision with a clear mind.

          1. GreenWindmill
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            10 years, 1 month ago

            Same here, I assume we're tortured by this kind of thing due to our supreme intelligence 🙂

            1. roscola
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              10 years, 1 month ago

              😆 that MUST be. Only explanation.

              Gotta go - happy Father's Day! And good luck with the decision

              1. GreenWindmill
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                10 years, 1 month ago

                Same to you Roscola, hope it all goes well 🙂

  2. Kun Tozser
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    WC or Hold

    1. Hold current team:
    Kozacik [ENG] Rui [HUN]
    Bonucci [IRL] Alba [CRO] Koscienly [SUI] Schar [FRA] Srna [ESP]
    Gomes [HUN] Hamsik [ENG] Kono [POL] Payet [SUI] Perisic [ESP]
    Jako [ISL] Giroud [SUI] Morata [CRO]

    2. WC
    DDG [CRO] Rui [HUN]
    Barzagli [IRL] Meunier [SWE] Rami [SUI] Howedes [NIR] Guerreiro [HUN]
    Grosicki [UKR] Witsel [SWE] Kroos [NIR] Payet [SUI] Draxlber [NIR]
    Ronaldo [HUN] Bale [RUS] Sturridge [SVK]

    What do you think? I was pretty happy with the first team but think it could be hit with rotation a bit and some players hit with poor fixtures.

    1. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      If you're happier with the second team I'd push the button, I'm fumbling blind with the possible rest/rotation so I don't want to comment on specific players too much!

  3. jonny3110
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Patricio / Sommer
    Dier - Hector - JuanFran - Rami - Strinic
    Alaba - KDB - Matuidi - Peresic - Ozil
    Giroud - Muller - Nolito

    Looking to get in Payet for Matuidi but need to find £1m. Thinking Ozil > Kroos but do you think Giroud will play? Do I need to WC anyone think? Thoughts from the forum appreciated 🙂

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I think Giroud will be rotated, Perisic is playing Spain, prefer Kroos over Ozil - hope that helps!

    2. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I'm expecting Giroud to make way for Gignac based on what a few others have said. That's very much third hand knowledge though so best to get other views!

      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        Hope it's nothing I said. I only told what some experts of L´Équipe say. Anyway, I'd wait to see the lineups first.

        1. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          You might be one but you're not the only one and I know nobody here has been speaking with certainty - it's all guesswork in my eyes.

    3. A-S-H
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      If Giroud is rested I would bring in Milik. Frees up 1 mill too

  4. A-S-H
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Sturridge v slovakia
    or romelu v sweden

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I'm punting on Sturridge don't fancy the troll

  5. A-S-H
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Pick 2

    A Lukaku
    B Sturridge
    C Milik
    D Morata
    E Nolito
    F Other below 9 mill

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      B D/C

    2. Blurryface
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      b d

      1. A-S-H
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        I'm thinking BC, not sure about morata (will he 100% start)

        1. Blurryface
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          He should Spain is not 100% guaranteed the first position

  6. Laalman
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    What do you think about this WC-team, If Coman does not start i could change him

    DDG Patricio

    Barzagli Glik Hector Guerrerio Menuier

    Haz Payet Grosicki Coman Kroos

    Bale Lukaku Sturridge

  7. George Sillett
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Morning all Hit the wc button last night and actually came up with a team I don't dislike anymore :

    Tatarusanu , Lung
    Alba, Pique , Hector , Giaccerini , Guerrero
    KDB , Payet , Alli , Grosicki , Andre Gomez
    Bale , Sturridge , Morata

    What do people think ?
    Thanks !

    1. A-S-H
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Like it. I think Giaccerini may be rested however

    2. Blurryface
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Gia is a doubt rest is good

    3. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Who the heck is Lung? I'm so ignorant on international football!

      Giaccherini is a rotation risk (so people tell me)

      Looks safe otherwise 🙂

      1. George Sillett
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        Back up Romanian keeper who is only 4m. Wont play but enables more to be spent elsewhere.

        1. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          Ah, I won't beat myself up too much then!

    4. GreenWindmill
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      By the way, I put a trixie on the horses you were complaining you couldn't get a straight £10 treble on at the high street and won a bit so thanks for mentioning those 🙂

      1. George Sillett
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        No probs , glad you got a result. I am going to put in a formal complaint to Corals as I think the situation of not laying bets for that amount is cowardly especially when they can lay it off elsewhere themselves if necessary.
        My Euro bets so far looking good though !

        1. GreenWindmill
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          I agree, seems absurd.

          You obviously make very informed bets (the only way to do it sensibly). I assume you do a lot of research?

          Saw your Albania low scoring one, what else have you got?

          1. George Sillett
            • 10 Years
            10 years, 1 month ago

            Thank you very much fir the complimentary comments. Yes I do analyse and research thoroughly as I regard betting as a way of making money . I can't understand why people say they bet for fun - after all it is about money !
            I try to price up outcomes my self and will only bet if my odds are bigger than those on offer.
            My Euro bets are :-
            Group winner trebles on Spain , France , England
            Spain , France , Germany
            Albania lowest scorer.
            Janko top scorer

            And the below , a system I opted on here before it all started. My stakes on it are to win £200 overall.

            I have taken a look at BET365 Euro markets and have come up with the following:-
            To win outright:-
            France 3/1
            Germany 4/1
            Spain 5/1

            IMO these are the only 3 teams that can win this thing
            This gives combined odds of approximately 3/5 for any one of these to win which is no value in my book.
            However:-
            For a Germany / Spain final 11/1
            France/Spain final 12/1
            France/Germany final 14/1
            And now the anomaly
            France/Germany Straight forecast 16/1
            Germany/France Straight forecast 16/1
            Using the anomaly to our advantage

            For the more risk averse covering all these options using staking percentages of Germany/Spain 38% , France/Spain 35% and both Germany/France SF and France/Germany SF 13.5% gives combined odds of 3.56/1

            Assuming that all teams win their groups then France/Germany cannot happen and so if you wish to be more of a gambler combined odds of France/Spain and Germany 5.24/1

  8. Paddy22
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Pelle to Morata or Lukaku?

  9. Blurryface
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    I need .5m to upgrade Nolito to Morata from this lot

    Berisha/Patricio
    Juanfran Jedrejzyc Howedes/ Guerriero Meunier
    Grosicki Hamsik Payet Kroos/ KDB
    Nolito Ronaldo Stturindge

    or use the left 2m to upgrade Juanfran to Alba?

  10. Kroosin'
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Grosicki or Iniesta ?

  11. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Best defender and striker for this round?

    1. Blurryface
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Ger def, Ronaldo

  12. Owd Big 'Ed
    • 17 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Kozacik, Patricio
    Dier, Hector, Rami, Guerrerio, Juanfran
    Kono, Ozil, Stanciu, Perisic, Alli
    Muller, Morata, Giroud

    To WC? How many will be rested?

    1. Liastro ⭐️
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Nobody knows hence why I think it's wise not to waste a WC, especially when everyone has unlimited transfers before the last 16.

  13. Weeb Kakashi
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Current Team

    Rui Kozacik
    Gurreiro Schar Rami Hector Strinic
    Fabregas Payet Perisic Hamsik stanciu
    Giroud Muller Lewandonski

    Would you do
    stanciu +Giroud > Vardy+ Ramsey/Grosicki(-4)??

    Or Wildcard
    Tatarasanu Patricio
    Gurreiro Alba Hector *** ****
    Payet Draxler Hamsik *** ***
    Bale Ronaldo Milik

  14. Liastro ⭐️
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this with 2FTs?

    Stanciu + Müller -> Payet + Sturridge

  15. Toast
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Please help:

    Patricio / Sommer
    Dier / Hector / Giaccherini / Rami / Juanfran
    Fabregas / Payet / Perisic / Alli / Alaba
    Morata / Giroud / Muller

    A. Wildcard
    B. Fab ➡️ Kroos
    C. Fab ➡️ Candevra
    D. Muller ➡️ Bale
    C. Alli ➡️ DeBrunye
    E. Something else

    Thanks and apologies for the spelling!

    1. 420king
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      make a plan for Giroud too incase he doesn't start

    2. Paddy22
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Muller to Bale or Alli to KDB

    3. Je suis le chat
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I'd get rid of Gia and JuanFran (reckon both rested) and rid of Giroud, Alaba and Simmer. Candrevo likely rested. Would get Kroos, Neuer, KDB, Meunier.

  16. Gianfranco Zola
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Isn't it kind of silly that everyone can see what transfers you've made?

    1. 420king
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      yes, but nobody seems to care
      I wonder what they would think if it was like that in FPL tho..........

  17. A-S-H
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Is Giroud to Milik/Morata worth a -4 if hes not playing

    1. Lone Wolf FPL
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      no, thats why you have bench players

  18. 420king
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Best teams to get a CS this round according to bet365:

    1. Germany, Portugal (60%)
    3. France (48%)
    4. England (46%)
    5. Belgium (43%)
    6. Spain, Romania, Austria, Poland (40%)

    1. Blue&White85
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Nice to see my defence and keeper agree with the bookies!

  19. Tmel
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Had a decent round but tempted to WC though due to rotation (namely Rami, Alba, Juanfran, Stanciu, Giroud).

    WC or save it for quarters?

    Koz Patricio
    Dier Rami Alba Juanfran Howedes
    KDB Perisic Kroos Stanciu Payet
    Nolito Muller Giroud

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Think you'll be safe with Rami no? Can understand the Spain fullbacks and Giroud

  20. Cthulhu @ Left Back
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Am I missing something or have they forgotten to subtract 2 from Ronaldo's score last night for missing a pen? With him being such a spoilt brat UEFA/McDonalds may have decided not to upset more perhaps by reminding him how dreadful he an Portugal have been with their non "small mentality"?

    1. Meinhoff
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      2 pts for earning a pen

    2. 420king
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      min played : 2
      penalty earned: 2
      penalty missed : -2

      1. Cthulhu @ Left Back
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        Forgot that he earned the pen - my mistake

      2. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        Those penalty earning points should really have gone to Guerreiro.*

        *not according to rules, but by justice, it was his good work that lead to it.

  21. Meinhoff
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Whats the best 9.5 keeper combo for a WC? I'm thinking Patricio-Berisha?

  22. UnitednationsXI
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    sturridge or morata (have nolito already and they playing croatia)

    cant see anyone else upto 8.5m

    1. Paddy22
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Having a similar dilemma. A punt on Sturridge/Vardy could pay off, especially if you've already got Nolito.

    2. Meinhoff
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Sturridge. Although I think Milik or even Gignac could be better options

  23. Paddy22
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    One transfer to improve this team?

    Subasic/Rui Patricio

    Giaccherini/Rami/Ramos/Hector/Dier

    Iniesta/Kroos/Payet/Perisic/Konoplyanka

    Giroud/Nani/Pelle

    1. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Kano / Giroud take your pick

  24. Ratatouille
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Morning guys, would you rather get Milik or Sturridge? Cheers

    1. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Milk and Porridge ftw

      1. Ratatouille
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        Ubfortunately I can't get both..any preference?

    • 11 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    I'm wondering why so many people are getting in Ronaldo. With the way this tournament has been going so far, a Hungary win or draw wouldnt be a suprise, at all. Portugal haven't been great, either. Not to mention his price - even if he scores he is very likely to experience a huge drop in price before the Round of 16 - do you really want to lose 2-3m only to get a wasteful Ronaldo against Hungary?

    I own him and it's either him or Konoplyanka I'm looking to sell, in order to get someone likely to rise in price.

      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      someone likely to rise in price and someone less wasteful in front of goal than Ronaldo* 🙂

    1. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      10 shots per match. Even if he was Balo, he would score some.

    2. rocrocodile
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Do we know anything ceratin about price rices/falls? I can't see Ronaldo dropping 2-3m.

      1. Meinhoff
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        I bet there won't be price changes at all. Even so, you can sell Ronaldo after his game

    3. Latchmere Wave Machine
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I've just seen some numbers to suggest ronaldo has been more likely to score 4 so far than 0! His class will out.

    4. Meinhoff
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I own him too and although very disappointed by him, I'm keeping, he could've scored a hattrick last night easily. I'm afraid he will be up for it against Hungary

      1. Kroosin'
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        So if given a chance, who would you pick.
        Bale against Russia
        or Ronaldo against Hungary ?

        1. Meinhoff
          • 14 Years
          10 years, 1 month ago

          Ronnie for sure

    5. Eden Hazardous
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I am really feeling a Ronaldo explosion. He has taken 21 shots at the Euros - more than 9 WHOLE teams and the next highest individual total is 9. Portugal need a win to qualify and Hungary are practically qualified.

      That's my reasoning for punting or Ronaldo. 🙂

    6. Kun Tozser
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      Guessing on price rise/falls a bit? How do you know that he won't increase or just stay the same because Portugal go through?

  25. The Legend Squad
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    I may be being ignorant, but why WC now!? Surely the purpose of the wildcard is a rescue when the number of transfers between rounds isn't enough to give you a full playing team (if two teams you were heavy on got knocked out by surprise, for example)?

  26. Paddy22
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    A) Vardy
    B) Sturridge
    C) Milik
    D) Morata
    E) Lukaku

  27. MiguelAngel
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Haven't got a bloody clue what to do here. Missed last round of transfers due to the website playing up so I've got 2 FT and wildcard intact.

    Sommer Rui Patricio
    Rami Glik Hector Dragovic Strinic
    Payet Perisic Dzemali Hamsik Junusovic
    Lewandowski Giroud Muller

    Use the 2 FT or wildcard?

    1. Paddy22
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      I'd be tempted to WC with that team

  28. Legomane
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Lloris 6.0
    De Gea 5.5

    Hector 5.5
    Juanfran 5.5
    Giaccherini 5.0
    Guerreiro 5.0
    Dier 4.0

    Candreva 7.5
    Perisic 7.5
    Payet 8.0
    Kroos 7.0
    Iniesta 8.0

    Giroud 8.5
    Kane 8.5
    Pelle 8.5

    Thinking forwards are particularly in doubt to start.
    1FT, 0.0ITB...Wildcard gone.

    1. A-S-H
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      same forward situation for me. Pelle is going for either Sturridge/Morata/Lukaku and may take a -4 if giroud is not playing and pop in milik

  29. 420king
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 1 month ago

    Price rises don't really belong in this game. I feel like they will just mess things up, especially without the rules being properly explained...

    1. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 1 month ago

      It's particularly that last part that is the problem.

      1. 420king
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 1 month ago

        exactly...don't even know if only buy value changes or sell value aswell....