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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
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    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    no pool investment yet for me

    1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      nor a hot tub!

      badum-tish

    2. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
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      agreed

    3. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino for me

      Will be enough Pool coverage for me

  2. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ibra or Zlatan for Man Utd cover?

    1. Prøphet
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not sure which one

    2. The Fantastic Mr Fox
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      the better player obviously

    3. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Andy Carroll

    4. st4rt__
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not sure I want it tbh.

    5. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like Ibrahimovic, but really hate Zlatan.

  3. kennethrhcp
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    is Kane worth the investment over Alli?

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes

    2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      yes

    3. kennethrhcp
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2 opinions good enough for me. cheers lads

  4. andymck
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Firmino at 8.5m is very good value imo, nailed to my team from day 1.

  5. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Serious question
    Is Walcott an option at 7.5

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No

    2. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Once bitten, twice shy.

    3. Yeboah Power XI
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Could be gold imo

  6. Prøphet
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Pfff, still no idea what i will do with my team

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bin it

      1. Prøphet
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        done

  7. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Which option do you rate best

    A Mane and Bolasie
    B Firmino and Townsend
    C Mane and Redmond

    1. Kizza_10
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

    3. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firm and bolasie

    4. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd probably go Firmino + a different 6.5m option than Townsend (Deulofeu, maybe). Or go Firmino + Redmond/Bolasie and reinvest the extra 0.5.

    5. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      How will Arsenal lineup at full strength in the attacking areas?

      Like this?

      ---------- Giroud ----------
      Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey
      -----Xhaka, Cazorla-----

      1. JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Oops

  8. the cromulent one
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I was ignoring Liverpool completely until Gabriel's injury. Firmino seems to be the pick of the bunch.

  9. Kizza_10
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A. Carroll

    or

    B. Gray

    1. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Strangely gravitating towards Carroll, myself.

    2. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Starting with B. Could be A after a couple of weeks

      1. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        This

  10. pablospicks
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I fancy Grujic will score against Arsenal, if he nails his place he becomes very atractive fifth mid

  11. sully29
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    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best 5m defender?

    1. Numb
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No one stands out at that price yet

      1. sully29
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Aye, currently have a 4.5 in there.

        1. Numb
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yep. A few looking good if/when they get a move but not yet

    2. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Stones and Morgan ?

      1. JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Stones is a shout. Williams?

      2. sully29
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Hmm, maybe Morgan. Reluctant to pick Stones until his future is sorted.

        1. sully29
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Same with Williams.

    3. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Stones imo

    4. Krul Runnings
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Williams, Stones, Funes.

    5. Coaly
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not many stand out

      5.5 a big jump in class

    6. Stuballs
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Once Sunderland get past their tough opening fixtures, PVA should be worth a shout.
      Perhaps Dawson at WBA.
      I had Gabriel as Arsenal cover but looks like I'll have to rethink that one now...

  12. Numb
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Firmino for me

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino?, for me no

      Mane instead

      1. Numb
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Not much in it for me. Except the price...

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I just had 0.5 sitting there and then the Barca game happened

    2. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      And me.

  13. KOLASINA(C)
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ibrahimovic and Valencia essential.

    Fact.

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia over Shaw ??

      Been on shaw all the time. but valencia is tempting me

      1. Tommytour
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ive given in to Valencia

        1. the cromulent one
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Let the groupthink guide you.

  14. Dynamic Duos
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    team meltdown haha, now all i have is Kane Kun Negredo Mane and Hazard to start, solid picks?

  15. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I think im going to settle on this team. Thoughts ?

    Mandanda(Jakupovic)
    Coleman Shaw Friend (Evans, Pieters)
    Hazard Firmino Lamela Gaston(Capoue)
    Aguero(c) Ibra(vc) Gray

    1. Swedish Rs Mafia
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      no complaints. very close to my new draft... it's gonna be a tossup between those 3-4 spots.

  16. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    According to the BBC Sterling scored today 🙂

    Arsenal beat Manchester City, Chelsea win, Liverpool lose, Southampton win
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37004501

  17. Iwobi
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Jakupovic and Musa
    B) Forster and Negredo

  18. Jafoole_88
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Appreciate this may have been discussed, but anyone reckon Chambers 4.5m is worth investing for the early part of the season?

    Bearing in mind, that they may sign Mustafi, how many gameweeks will Chambers get?

    1. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Holding may start ahead of Chambers.

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He is a woeful defender. Chances is a cleansheet lessen when he plays

  19. pablospicks
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Origi is another interesting one to watch, when he hits form and nails his place, a mid-season bargain

  20. JIM BOB
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How will Arsenal lineup at full strength in the attacking areas?

    Like this?

    ---------- Giroud ----------
    Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey
    -----Xhaka, Cazorla----

  21. Arsenal@Gunners
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hey guys!

    Do you know where will Redmond play?
    Striker or mid?

    1. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Forward, rather than striker, I guess.

    2. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Striker drifting wide

      1. Arsenal@Gunners
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

  22. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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    9 years, 8 months ago

    Are people still going with mahrez? Looked poor v barca and again today

    1. Krul Runnings
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah I agree :/

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He's still in my team , probably best to go vardy or nobody right?

        1. Krul Runnings
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          At this stage I would say yes.

        2. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Im still tempted to double up, its Hull after all and allows an easy transition to payed GW2

          1. Tommytour
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Payet

    2. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2 big teams 😉

    3. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He's been anonymous in all their games apart from the Celtic game. At times they seem to be playing up the middle rather than feeding him the ball.

    4. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Contemplating ditching him for Firmino, and go with Vardy (over Kane) from the start

  23. Krul Runnings
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What was Jon Terry's injury today then chaps?

  24. cravencottage
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    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Doubling on Oscar and Hazard a bad idea?

    1. Krul Runnings
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yep I'm afraid so.

      Oscar is seriosuly tempting tbh

  25. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Dear Mods.

    I haven't read this article yet but thank you for this one and the Zlatan one previously. It is this kind of analysis and opinion that sets this site apart.

    More please 🙂

    Victor

    1. walkman666
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      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Agree. Love these articles.

  26. El Muñeco
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    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Apologies for the newbie question, but how do I find out the league number of the mini-league which I administer? I have already renewed it but can't seem to find the number

    1. Krul Runnings
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Click on where it says invite friends

      1. El Muñeco
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
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        Cheers

  27. Ayew Serious
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Bonkers saying he's starting with Coutinho and Firmino?

    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      "hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach" 😆

  28. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Love this article. Thanks gents.

    1. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      +1

    2. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Decided on your big hitters GB?

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Aguero Kane and Hazard are my favs at the moment and don't look like leaving any time soon.

        Also have Mahrez and Firmino at the moment but that will depend if I stick to an anorexic backline. Mahrez was quiet today too...

        1. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Just binned Mahrez to beef other areas a little Valencia being one

          Still have Vardy Ibra Hazard Aguero

  29. Danstoke82
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How's this team looking?

    Foster
    Terry Valencia VVD
    Hazard Tadic Firmino Ramirez
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    Subs; Jakupovic Capoue Kone BSmith

    £1.0 ITB

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Looks like Terry may miss opening game after injury today so may want to change to Azpi and VVD to a 5.0

      1. Danstoke82
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Was it a serious injury then?

      2. st4rt__
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        It doesn't look like that at all, Conte said we'll see. He walked off a bit dazed but that's about it.

  30. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this team? Midfield was previously a bit weak, but I don't know if I can bring myself to change it much more.

    Foster
    Simpson VVD Shaw
    Hazard Townsend Firmino Redmond
    Gray Kun Ibra

    (Jaku Friend McAuley Capoue)

    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Where did you spend funds with weaker mid?

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Rate the team or not?

        1. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Pretty standard

    2. Ruth_NZ
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      My thoughts in general are that every RMT up to now has been a complete and utter waste of time. Even now a lot can change. Nothing to do with your team, just a general comment.

      However... if you must have Ibrahimovic and are content with an weak bench it's OK. I'm not that keen on Simpson, I'd prefer Delaney at that price for good fixtures and better goal threat. But that may be irrational on my part.

      I'd certainly prefer Evans to a 35yo. And for me, Townsend could be Bolasie, allowing Jaku to be a useful GK like Heaton or Mandanda.