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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. FPLCEO
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How important is balance and spreading value?

    My draft includes Vardy, Ibra, Kun and Hazard and that surely means high points?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If only it was that easy.

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        How's tinkering going 🙂

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Haven't started. Yourself?

          1. Davido989
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            😯

            Looking ok for now, probably change a few things on Friday 🙂

            1. TorresMagic™
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              • 16 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Cool. Quite a tricky start to the season with all the options.

              1. Davido989
                • 15 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Loads of attacking options. Be interesting to see what Mark and co think on the Scoutcast.

      2. FPLCEO
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        It can be that easy! The odds on 2 out of those 4 not getting points and bonus every week would be significant!

        Why gamble on Negredo or Grey?!

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Did you have Hazard GW1 last season? Aguero was pretty useless for GWs 1-7 last season.

          1. FPLCEO
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Fair point. These four are fit, quality proven players in form so personally prioritising having them all in from the start. Easy enough to downgrade if any other them flop and bandwagons begin.

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not important at all for me. Points come first.

      1. FPLCEO
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Snap

  2. grooveymatt65
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Guys what's do you think of this team:

    Foster Nordfelt
    Shaw McAuley Baines Friend Tarkowski 

    Hazard Firmino Tadic Sigurdsson 
    Watson

    Aguero Vardy Grey

    0.0 ITB - the reason there is no utd attacking cover is im uncertain on there midfielders and Zlatan is too pricey.

    But what do you guys think?!  🙂 🙂

    Thanks.

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It's a strong line up and will return solid points.

      I just can't bring myself to allocate a forward spot to a Burnley striker personally

      1. grooveymatt65
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks and yeah who'd you go for then?!

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nordfelt???
      Looks template. Good enough.

      1. grooveymatt65
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks man and he's a bench fodder

        1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Is not Jakupovic a starting 4.0 goalie though....

  3. ffnorway
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    My first year with fantasy. Please rate the following :

    Heaton
    Chambers - Mcauley - Pieters
    Firmino - Redmond - Hazzard - Payet
    Ibra - Gray - Kun

    Some "must have" who is missing ?

    Thanks.

    1. Worsle90
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      How much do you have in the bank?

      1. ffnorway
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        0.5..

  4. Henrzd
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    are there any cash prize leagues about this year?????

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Free entry or paid entry?

      1. Henrzd
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        free or paid 🙂

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2016/08/02/introducing-fanduel/?hc_page=3#hc_comment_13654907

      Or I'm running a £100 entry league.
      Demi is running an £80 league.

      1. Henrzd
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        cheers mate

  5. Giovanni Giorgio
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone come up with a 4 team rotation? 4x 4.5 defenders

    1. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      CPL, SWA and MID rotates well. I'm sure you can find a fourth.

  6. BananaNose Maldonado
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Does Ayew moving to West Ham tremendously dent the appeal/potential of Feghouli?

    I was liking him as a differential.

    1. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think initially Feghouli will be okay but could be under pressure from around GW3 onwards.

      1. BananaNose Maldonado
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. Is putting me off him a bit, but I'll see how I feel in five days.

  7. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    is there any nailed 4mil defenders?

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nope...will probably be a couple by week 3

    2. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Would monitor the Swansea defence. Two 4.0 defenders may start gw1.

  8. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Feel ripped off paying 8.5 for alli and 10 for vardy as they were so cheap last season 🙁

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Get Hazard. He was 1.5 more expensive last season

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Was he 11.5? I totally forgot

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Ye.

          1. Jøssy ⭐
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            And I paid it!

  9. Coutinhoooooooooo
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Forster, (Jaku)
    Pieters, Morgan, Souaré, (McCauley, Amat)
    Tadic, Hazard, Firmino, Eriksen, (Capouè)
    Vardy, Aguero, Long

    Thanks

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Very strong - Long is a good differential and that midfield is great

      1. Coutinhoooooooooo
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks, only fear is the defence looking a bit weak

        1. FPLCEO
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Same here but hoping some cheap options in the top teams appear

  10. Jamie_GAWA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    WARNING. This is a punty team as I'm Wildcarding gw4. Jokes aside is my team good to go?

    Foster/Jaku
    Valencia/Friend/Gibson/Amat/Kingsley
    Mahrez/Mané/Oscar/Tadic/Capuoe
    Aguero/Ibrahimovic/Gray

    The defence is cheap but it's a short term punt, Amat is nailed imo and Kingley will play gw1 for Swans aswell, don't expect to have to use them but they are there.

    1. The Legend Squad
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      That is solid, and maybe not as punty as you think... Might find yourself saving that wildcard

      1. The Legend Squad
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Only criticism is that Kane > Ibrah in my eyes. Completely personal preference though, but Man U looked dire today and Kane has quality fixtures

        1. Jamie_GAWA
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Alright thanks, if Spurs had Dembele I would do the same but Ibras ownership and potential explosiveness is what I'm fearful of

  11. JaydenLFC87
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Will Grujic start against Arsenal??

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I hope so. Probably not.

    2. Clumsy Sakho
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No - injured
      Today anyway

  12. Neil_Riley
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Please could I have a quick RMT:

    Forster Butland
    Baines Shaw Dawson Evans Pieters
    Tadic Barkley Alli Townsend Maloney
    Aguero Kane Long

  13. ADucksBehind
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Really liking the look of this team. What dya think? Defence too strong?

    Courtois Jakupo

    Shaw VVD Friend Kone Smith

    Martial Lamela Tadic Siggy Capoue

    Aguero Kane Gray

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Better options at 5.5m then VVD in my view. Saints may have a style change under new management.

      Not convinced martial is value either.

  14. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Off topic.

    Dads broken his desktop, is looking for a laptop for general use. Can anyone recommend a laptop for £250 or less?

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      What does he do on it. Just browse and watch pron?

      I've been using a cheap laptop for ages now.

      Something like this
      https://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-15-P249SA-15-6-inch-processor-Resolution/dp/B017DKQG7K/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1470604134&sr=8-16&keywords=hp+beats+audio

      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Touchpad is left orientated which is great for a regular porn watcher.

      2. Drip Doctor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ha, probably!

        Cheers that looks alright, i'll look into it.

  15. buttigieg93
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Plz Rate. Cheers!

    Heaton, Foster
    Evans,Friend,Kone,Pieters,Taylor
    Hazard,Firmino,Tadic,Lamela,Capoue
    Kun,Ibra,Gray

  16. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thinking long term: Gray or 6.5m mid? Mirallas has easy fixtures so tempted to go for him?

  17. SW6
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Tinkered around with a Aguero - Kane - Vardy frontline (three most likely 20+ goal strikers) and made a team that I don't think is too awful. Obviously midfield suffers but it's tempting. Thoughts? Is midfield too weak or can that frontline carry it at least until a clear budget striker becomes apparent?

    Foster // Jaku
    Valencia // Pieters // Friend // Souare // Kone
    Hazard // Tadic // Deulofeu // Ramirez // Capoue
    Aguero // Kane // Vardy

    1. Jamie_GAWA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Deulofeu and Ramirez won't get your many points imo but it's a decent team.

      Care to have a look at my team above?

    2. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I have thought about it but decided against it for now.

      Can switch Vardy to kane in GW 3 I feel and then I would want the Everton forwrd as my 3rd striker from GW 3/4 onwards.

  18. Nitram
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What do we make of this?

    Lloris / Adrian
    N. Taylor / Shaw / Funes Mori / Cedric / Prodl
    Sanchez / Wanyama / Mane / Xhaka / Mahrez
    Kane / Long / Deeney

    May swap out Xhaka.
    Not sure about Shaw or Funes Mori either but feel like Man Utd will be much better this season.

    0.5 ITB

  19. pundit of punts
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A couple of issues bothering me now.

    1. Keep 1m in the bank for Vardy ➡ Kane in GW 2

    or

    Ugrade 4.5m def ➡ Valencia

    2. Best 4m def?

    1. Clumsy Sakho
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kingsley/Amat

  20. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    is any of Kingsley or Amat nailed?

  21. AndreasFey
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What do you think of this team?

    Foster (Jakupovic)
    Shaw, Friend, Pieters (Souaré, Koné)
    Mahrez, Tadic, Ayew, Bolasie (Leko)
    Agüero, Vardy, Lukaku

    Does everybody start? Too much of a template team? Any advise to spot the price risers in GW 1?

    1. Arctic_Orangutans
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Decent, not sure with Kaku though

    2. AndreasFey
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1 mil. in the bank

  22. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    @Parm

    You think Chambers will play?

    1. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don't know yet, but i'll have either him or Holding if Gabriel is out for a bit.

  23. Arctic_Orangutans
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rambo or carzorla

  24. Kante Be Bothered
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Who will score more Costa or Kane?

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane, confirmed.

  25. Ronnies
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best pick..

    a) ibra
    b) kane
    c) vardy

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      ibra

    2. Punter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      C week 1
      B week 2
      A week 3

  26. HP.
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Keep or ditch Mkhitaryan?

    1. Net Gains
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Keep

    2. Arctic_Orangutans
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I ditched him cos he didn't start today. May need time

    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He's not in my team.

  27. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts please?

    Heaton Foster
    VVD Mori Pieters Friend Kone
    Hazard Mane Deulofeu Bojan Fletcher
    Ibra Aguero Grau

  28. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Carroll or Gray?

    1. GinjaWhinja
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Carroll loves a goal against Chelsea...

  29. Dirty Harry
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is it just me or is the FPL App frustrating as all hell.

    Mainly around transfers, you select players to transfer out and unlike the website if you spend over your available amount you cant proceed with viewing the team and then tinkering some more. The website allows you to do this and sort out your team before finalising. The app doesnt.

    Also if you select a player to transfer out but change your mind you cant select that same player in the transfers page to reinstate him.

    It seems they have built "transfers" part of the app without proper tinkering and only allows you to transfer those players out straight away and no option to preview your squad or tinker more.

    Have you noticed the same thing?

    /rant

  30. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I am going with a ManU defender as my main defender, and I think I'm going with Valencia because of how he gets forward, anyway, I'm trying to fit the rest of my defence around that, Which of these options do you think is best?

    A) Another big defender, like Alderweireld, Azpilicueta, Bellerin etc, and then a 3 way rotation
    B) 2 pairs of home / away rotating defenders 4.5 across the board
    C) Something else

    I can't figure it out, not sure which way to turn, I like Spurs but cant see a standout option, same with Arsenal whilst their CBs are out.