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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. THE REAL RON ⚽
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    No need to read it guys.

    😎

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I've ditched you for Mane

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        😯

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          He's so Sanchez-esque

          1. THE REAL RON ⚽
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Explosive, for sure. £0.5ms are precious at this time of the season though.

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I was keeping mine in the bank, I didn't want it tbh

              1. THE REAL RON ⚽
                • 9 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Ha, fair enough then! 🙂

    2. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bobby was my star last year.

  2. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    John terry injured ?

    Will he be ready for opening day

  3. Twiggy SRFC
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    1)Sigy, Lamela and K.Walker
    OR
    2)Mahrez, Redmond and McCauley

  4. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Lot of insight with this Mou interview

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AspLo_kiZF0

    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I've shown you mine now show me yours 🙂

  5. Scotty B
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Silva or Firmino?

    1. Twiggy SRFC
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino

  6. Just A Hat
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Going into the season with 3 United defenders 🙂

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No.

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Which 3

      1. Just A Hat
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Shaw, Valencia, Bailey

        Can't see any defenders that I like so I'll just play them every week

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          No.

          1. Just A Hat
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            How come?

            1. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              You break the first rule of making a team for GW1. Never get 3 players from 1 side.

              IF someone in midfield or up front starts doing well that is you needing 2 transfers at least.

              Secondly it leaves you far to exposed to one risk. If Man U concede that is your defence buggered for the week.

        2. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          lol

        3. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I like people who are different, but I don't think it will work. Go for it though

          1. Just A Hat
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Thanks Ayew, it worked a few season ago with Zabeleta/Kompany/Clichy so lets see how it goes this time!

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Good luck

    3. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Like it

    4. Kuqi Monster
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tosey showed in the past that tripling can work...ignore the herd.

    5. Cruz88
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I have two myself, but Bailly today looked like a red card waiting to happen

  7. Knowledgeable meerkat
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    If musa was nailed I'd probably put him in.... Why did Okazaki have to start today 🙁 🙁

    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Winning formula

  8. mcmd11
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Azpi, Townsend, Ibe
    B) Friend, Barkley, Redmond

    Which option do you prefer?

  9. Mílanista
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Applebonkers killing it 😆

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I scrolled straight down to his bit, read it, then read the rest of the article

      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Reading the article in order saves the best till last silly 😉

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I did that by coming down and reading the comments

  10. 824545201
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best 8.5m midfielder? I already have Siggy and Tadic.
    I'm currently on Firmino, but Alli is tempting me.

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firminho

    3. Dirty Harry
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Eriksen?

  11. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Pretty happy with my team I shared, but Azpilicueta is a bit of a concern for me. 6.0 is a lot to load out on a team that doesn't seem to keep CS in preseason. I have Shaw, Stones, McAuley, and Pieters as well. Keep Azpi, or switch to...?

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Williams

      1. ★Kuntheman★
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Really?

        1. Cecil The Lion
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yes. Great 2 opening fixtures. Potentially at Everton or Arsenal after that

        2. ★Kuntheman★
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I was expecting an answer from a top four team haha

          1. Cecil The Lion
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            6.0 is just too much for a defender I feel. Especially with all the potential in midfield and attack

  12. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Foster
    Valencia Williams Stones
    Firmino Oscar Redmond Ramirez
    Aguero Ibrahimovic Kane

    Jakupovic Capoue Evans Amat

    How does that look?

    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Love the strike force and the fact you haven't just copied the template, very good!

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers - Mid doesn't look so bad in your opinion?

        1. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Ive gone similar

          Hazard Siggy Redmond Ramirez Routledge
          Aguero Zlatan Vardy

          Oscar is the only risk with yours but a worthwhile one

          1. Cecil The Lion
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Cheers mate

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Really like this

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Gee thanks

    3. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Could be a winner.

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers

  13. Bumbaclot
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hi guys

    Siggy or tadic to go into the season with?

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic

  14. JÆKS ⭐
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Mahrez or Martial?

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Mahrez

      1. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers! He was pretty poor today though, but ofcourse he plays Hull.... 😀

  15. Limbo Exile
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I'm out of the loop once more. What happened to UFPL?

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      dead

      1. Limbo Exile
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Why though?

  16. Cruz88
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone know what's going on with Oscar? Papers say Conte wants to get rid but that was before he scored in the last two pre-season games - looks a good shout at 7.5 no? Or too risky?

  17. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ibra and Redmond or Vardy and Tadic?

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1

    2. Cruz88
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Vardy and Tadic for me

    3. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2

  18. lennie123456789
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Foster/Heaton
    Morgan/Stones/Kone/Friend/Jevans
    Hazard/Firmino/Tadic/Del/4.5
    Kun/Vardy/Gray

    1.0m ITB - not sure what to use on. Thinking Haz > Sanchez but not sure

    Any ideas? Thanks

  19. Carlton P
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Done so much tinkering in last two days, please RMT chaps

    Foster l Jaku
    Shaw/Valencia l VVD/Terry l Friend l Soaure l Smith
    Hazard l Firminho l Tadic l Sanchez l Capoue
    Kun l Gray l Andy C
    Do I need Leicester cover?

    1. Danstoke82
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Vardy I would say considering he's up against a team in somewhat of a crisis

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'm definatly leaning towards Vardy over Mahrez, would make my team better balanced aswell and Vardy > Kane becomes easier

  20. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is it me or is Jonty calling Firmino a dullard pick? Not sure I agree. Milner is dullard

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think what he means is that he will give the safe consistent returns

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Milner is just a terrible pick.
      Of the two main options, Firmino is dullard, Mane is maverick

    3. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nailed on, regular scorer, plays up front - ideal dullard pick. 🙂

      Don't confuse fantasy dullard with real life dullard.

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ah, no worries 🙂

  21. Danstoke82
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone shed any light on JT's injury? Is it serious?

  22. Dirty Harry
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hey lads. Just wondering which combination would be better for 18.5m:

    1. Mee + Eriksen + Feghouli
    2. Valencia + Lamela + Redmond

    Foster / Jaku
    Terry Stones *** Friend Leni
    Hazard Firmino *** *** Fletcher
    Kun Ibra Gray

  23. jimbobmij
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What are we thinking about palace mids?

    1. SW6
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Avoid all unless there is a DGW

      1. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        And still avoid them then.

    2. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Minefield. Best avoided. Striker would be a good option

  24. Jay_
      9 years, 8 months ago

      ------------Foster---------------
      ----Valencia VVD Friend----
      Hazard Oscar *** Redmond
      -------Aguero Vardy ***-------
      ------------------------------------------
      Jakupovic Capoue Naughton Kone

      Best option to fill the gaps;

      A: Ramirez Costa

      B: Firmino Gray

      1. HurriKane
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        B

      2. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Tricky.

        B.

      3. Carlton P
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        B easily for me. Almost exact same team, gone Tadic over Oscar

    • Iwobi
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Which team?

      A) Jakupovic / Hart
      Holding / McAuley / Shaw / Williams / Morgan
      Tadic / Sanchez / Oscar / Siggy / Feghouli
      Gray / Musa / Aguero

      B) Hart / Forster
      Holding / McAuley / Shaw / Williams / Morgan
      Tadic / Sanchez / Oscar / Siggy / Feghouli
      Gray / Negredo / Aguero

    • HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Finally managed to come up with a fabulous Kubra team

      Taking fixtures and team quality into consideration. What do you think ?

      Mandanda (Jakupovic)
      Valencia Terry Stones (Friend,Evans)
      Hazard Firmino Lamela Gaston (Capoue)
      Aguero(c) Ibra(vc) Gray

      1. Siggy in the Middle
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Quite good, but I don't know if Mandanda will play so be careful there.

      2. Original Sin
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        looks good, especally the fact that u could still come up with a strong defence with Kubra on. who is gaston though?

    • Siggy in the Middle
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Woulding someone mind rating my team?

      Foster Mannone

      Shaw Lenihan Soaure Walker Friend

      Sanchez Hazard Redmond Alli Capoue

      Aguero Musa Gray

      1. HurriKane
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Like it. But id want a united attacker with the fixtures and pogba arrival will strengthen further

    • JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      The lack of Costa on here worries me .... 😀

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Hazard is just too good. I have been considering both

        1. JÆKS ⭐
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I have both 😀

    • MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Could you please RMT?

      DDG- Jaku

      Evans-Taylor-Gabriel-Azpi-Valencia

      Lamela-Firmino-Feghouli-Tadic-(Fletcher)

      Ibra-Aguero-Gray.

      1. MoeZe3bi
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        1M in the bank

    • Total Slotball
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Opinions on this this please? Be as harsh as possible

      Mandanda - Mannone
      Valencia - VVD - Friend - Evans - Naughton
      Hazard - Firmino - Tadic - Townsend - Capoue
      Aguero - Vardy - Gray

      1. MoeZe3bi
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        How much do you have in the bank

        1. Total Slotball
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Nothing

          1. MoeZe3bi
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            im not backing any of Leicester players this year, I might be wrong, but I think finding a way to upgrade vardy to either Kane or Ibra would be a better choice

      2. Carlton P
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Similar to mine so I obviously like it
        I've gone foster and Souare over mandana Macauley. Terry over naughton plus jaku and bsmith in there