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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Kizza_10
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    A. Mahrez & Carroll

    B. Vardy & Bolasie

    1. decisions
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      That's tough... I'd prob go B

    2. JoeShmoe
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      A

  2. HammersFan
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Currently on aguero vardy musa gw 1 with money itb for vardy > ibra if needed beyond that.

    1. Oz lotto
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      a lot of eggs in one basket

  3. how now brown cow
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Mkhitaryan, lukaku, ayew and gabriel were all in my team. Sounds like a rethink.

    Foster heaton
    Shaw coleman morgan friend pieters
    Tadic mahrez fletcher firmino gradel
    Kane kun gray

    Midfield too weak?

    1. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yes, Coleman > targett + gradel > dellboy

  4. Oz lotto
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I really want to get Capoue at M5... had Wanyama there for a while last season and he just rotted but by all reports Capoue's role in Hull's system might actually be favourable.

    Currently have Fer there... and really I think the only difference between the two is that Fer will score a few more long range screamers - but in terms of just bench cover, surely they are simlar?

    1. You've got red on you.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I have Hojbjerg in the 5th but keep seeing this Capoue love

      1. Oz lotto
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        he has scored in pre-season but his previous years have been terrible - at spurs when he did play the wrong role... but last season at watford he didn't show much

    2. BERGKOP
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yeah man flip a coin. I'm on Capoue. You're really only hoping for a starter at £4.5m.

      1. Oz lotto
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        capoue is a starter and that's good enough. I figure he and fer go similar scores... and it's less heartache when Fer goes big from the bench :p

  5. Costa's Counsellor
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Where has the Gradel love gone?

  6. H-SF
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone else on Kun Vardy and Gray

    1. You've got red on you.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Seems to be the popular choice at the moment.

    2. Sjaugen
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Going without Zlatan gives to 1.5 to spend.
      GL with the surgery/panic once Zlatan explodes (BOU can't defend), and the Hull (GW3) fixture looming

  7. JoeShmoe
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone going Costa and Haz first 3 GW's ?

    1. BERGKOP
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Only Haz

  8. Shifty
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Dust has settled a little, here's my current draft and some key questions:

    Foster Heaton
    Valencia Coleman Pieters NSue 4.0
    Hazard Tadic Deulofeu Lamela 4.5
    Kun Ibrahimovic Gray

    0.5m banked.

    1) Is my midfield too mid-pricey? Will I struggle to shift funds around to accommodate another premium mid?

    2) Relying quite heavily on pre-season 'form' and manager soundbites...should I be abit more cautious and go for more FPL proven names? For example, Siggy/Firm/5.5 instead of Lamela/Tadic/Deu?

  9. You've got red on you.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Any two midfielders costing a total of 15m. Not Lamela or Hazard. Go!

    Good combinations I have found so far.

    Ramsey + Deulofeu

    Mkhitaryan + Ramirez

    1. dja81
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Jose seems to like lingard if he is fit for Saturday that is.

    2. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Mane and Redmond
      or Firmino and Redmond 0.5 itb

  10. Big Red Dog
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    De Gea (4.0)
    Baines Souare Pieters Evans Friend
    Hazard Firmino Tadic Lamela Fletcher
    Aguero Vardy Carrol

    Players I'm scared of not having:
    Alli/eriksen/Mahrez/Townsend
    Ibra/Kane/Gray/Wilson

    But I'm happy with it, you can't have it all.

    1. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Appreciate comments! Or a rating if you like 🙂

    2. Sjaugen
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Dammit - I've had this team for 10 days, and suddenly it's template
      Haz Firm Lam Deu
      Kun Ibra Gray

    3. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      nice team, would maybe downgrade Tadic to Redmond and upgrade Lamela to Eriksen/Alli.
      McAuley a better choice than Evans IMO.
      De Gea an expensive choice in goal.

  11. Sjaugen
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Playing with sticking Musa in the team. Doesn't really seem worth it;
    Currently: Gray + Deulofeu
    Musa option: Musa + Ramirez

    1. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      not sure I agree - Musa could easily have his share against Hull

    2. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      The problem is wether he will start.:/

  12. Do I Not Like Orange
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Noticed a few people mentioning Rodwell as a potential 4.5 option under Moyes. Just a heads up in case anyone was considering it, it looks like he'll be used primarily as a defender if anything from here on: http://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/football/sunderland-afc/rodwell-aims-to-revive-sunderland-career-under-moyes-as-he-reveals-position-he-wants-to-play-1-8055501

  13. decisions
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Can't decide whether to go...

    A: Morgan and 4.5m defender
    B: Azpi and 4m defender

    Would prefer Azpi I think but the 4m defender could get me in trouble..

    Would appreciate some opinions..

    1. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Would do neither. 5.5 and 4.5 options seem to be better value: Van Dijk, Valencia, Baines, and all those 4.5ers who start like Pieters, Souare, Evans etc

    2. Shifty
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      if it's a 5th 4.0 defender and the others are relatively nailed - dont see it as a problem.

      1. decisions
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Shaw, Taylor, friend, souare (Azpi or Morgan)

        So be dropping one of the cheap lads

    3. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      For me in defence I would go 5.5--5.5--4.5--4.5--4.5

      1. decisions
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Hmmm. Maybe I need a rethink.

        Current on:

        Foster/Jak
        Shaw, Morgan, Taylor, souare, friend
        Eriksen, hazard, siggy, bolasie, leko
        Aguero, ibra, gray

  14. Azathoth
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Chelsea's XI vs Bremen are (probably) the ones to start against West Ham?

    1. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I'd say so

  15. dja81
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Rmt please... Heaton shaw valencia Simpson mahrez silva walcott tadic martial gray and ageuro.I'm not sure about silva as bit of a luxury player also as giroud is not ready yet I'm thinking Walcott will start up front? Many thanks.

  16. dhamphiir
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    When will be club press conference?

  17. new article
  18. DantheManinaPan
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I'm going away now until the start of the season. Will still be tweaking my team but much less frequently.

    Can anyone give me any last thoughts on my current Kubrazanchez squad?

    Foster, Jakupovic
    Shaw, Friend, Pieters, Souare, Kone (Pieters + Friend rotate, Souare + Kone rotate)
    Sanchez, Hazard, Feghouli, Redmond, Capoue
    Aguero, Ibra, Gray

    Thanks! I'm very pleased with this.

  19. Pery
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Foster - Jaku
    Valencia - McAuley - Pieters - Holding - Lenihan
    Hazard - Sanchez - Deulofeu - Redmond - Capoe
    Kun - Kane - Gray

    RMT Pleasee... Cheers!

  20. Oz lotto
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Can someone please give "we don't need rhodes" a medal...

    That is the best name I have ever seen.

  21. Flynny
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Hi folks....any chance of an rMt please??

    Foster jaku
    Shaw terry kone friend b smith
    Hazard mahrez lamela ramirez capoue
    Kun ibra gray

    How does that look???...not entirely sold on mahrez...

    1. BilalM
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yea Mahrez might be good for gw1 against Hull, but after that, not so sure. There are so many better options about 8-9.
      Try looking at Liverpool mids

      1. Flynny
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Lpool have bad fixtures tho...

  22. TekkersFC
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    The final template reveals itself

  23. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Any of these stand out?

    A) Sanchez, Mahrez, Oscar & Gray
    B) Sanchez, Townsend, Redmond & Kane
    C) Mahrez, Oscar, Redmond & Kane (& 0.5m)

  24. JoeShmoe
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Talk me out of Oscar over Hazard - though both looked great yesterday - im convinced he'll start next week and he's on pens ?

    1. Irish Madridista ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      He may not start but I'm tempted too.

  25. BilalM
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Thought on this starting line up?

    Heaton
    Valencia/Friend/Walker
    Hazard/Firmino/Redmond/Townsend
    Ibra/Kun(c)/Carrol

  26. Assisting the assister
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Any thoughts?

    Courtois, (Jak)
    Funes Mori, Shaw, Toby, (Friend, Peters)
    Lamela, Siggy, Ayew, Redmond, (Gradel)
    Ibra, Kun, Gray

    Bit light in the mids but could work well. Ibra and Kun rotate captaincy whoever is home.

    1. BilalM
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Not sold on Aldeweireld.

  27. DOG GOD IT - KEANE 15
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Not sure if this has been asked before regarding the Arsenal defence:

    Now with Mertesacker and Gabriel expected to miss significant time, is Holding nailed-on for now at CB?

  28. indiangunner
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    why no sanchez love friends???

    1. Assisting the assister
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Looked a bit short of fitness yesterday. Give him a few weeks

  29. Yankee Toffee
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    What is WHU's defence? 4.5 starters?

    1. HammersFan
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Antonio ognonna reid masakau

    2. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      They haven't even signed Masa yet, surely he won't start on a MNF derby..

  30. jon.terry.tfh
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Foster-Jaku

    Valencia-Walker-Friends-Paredes-Lenihan
    Lamela-Hazard-Tadic-Firmino-Capoue
    Aguero-Kane-Gray

    Dont like the idea of double team-ing on Spurs and no cover on Manu but I honestly cant see Zlatan outscoring Kane and there are really no good mf options at Manu.Mkhitaryan played only 2 minutes at the community shield and Martial did nothing impressive.

    I could go for Williams/Stones instead of Walker and use the 0.5 to upgrade Kane to Zlatan. Thoughts??

    1. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Walker > VVD/ Terry, paredes > 4.5
      Jaku > heaton
      Lamela > delf or other 6.5