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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. reason17
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    A) Lamella - Townsend - gradel
    B) eriksen - Bolasie - capoue

    1. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I like the sound of A but Lamella is very hit and miss

  2. Icyrx8
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Pick one:

    A) Mkhitaryan + Hernandez (or another 6.0/6.5 option)

    or

    B) Ramirez + Lukaku

    1. Marc OverMata
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      i'd got for A) and wait to see how Everton start the season to take a punt on Lukaku

    2. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      A

  3. Who Ayew
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Thoughts?

    Can't work out if this is the finished article or not..

    Foster(Jak)
    Valencia, Souare, Friend,(Kone, Paredas)
    Hazard, Mahrez, Eriksen, Firminho, Redmond
    Kun, Carroll/Gray

    Replies appreciated!

    1. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Midfield is strong
      Kun is a must
      Defence could do with some upgrading
      Carroll could be a good differential

  4. Marc OverMata
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Morning all,

    First post of this season. I think i am done tinkering but your thoughts would be most welcome.

    Heaton/Foster
    Shaw/Walker/Friend/Francis/Peredes
    Haz/Ayew/Tadic/Townsend/Capoue
    Kun/Ibra/Gray

    Thanks guys

    1. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Very strong team - I like this alot.
      Midfield is strong but not overly expensive
      Forwards are the best front 3 for me
      Walker will do wonders this season
      Peredes won't play though and is partial to price drop due to high ownership

      1. Marc OverMata
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks, te 4.0m for a def is troyubling me. What would you say to:

        Foster > Jaku
        Peredes>4.5def

        ?

    2. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      good team. Be wary of rotation risk with Walker though once CL starts.

      1. Marc OverMata
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Good point. He is unlikely to drop in price so swapping him out shouldn't be a problem, maybe VVD once fixtures even out?

  5. camfisher97
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Gray or Long? Gray has worse fixtures so not sure

    1. Butthead
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Gray is unknown in the PL whereas along has pedigree. However one is certain to start the other may not play due to Austin. It's tricky but I'd risk Long on fixtures.

  6. NOVARDYNOPARTY
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Final RMT..

    Any thoughts please?

    Foster - Jaku
    Friend - Azpi - Valencia - Souare - (Wasilewski - Only for gw1)
    Hazard - Firmino - Ramirez - Lamela - Routledge
    Aguero - Ibra - Gray

    I am pretty happy with this - Looks like more than a £100m team to me

    1. Flynny
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Looks very good...

      1. NOVARDYNOPARTY
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks

    2. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Avoid picking players for 1 GW only imo. Waste of a transfer.

  7. Flynny
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Who would u rather have??

    A...mahrez

    B...firmino (tough fixtures) and 1m

    Thanks

    1. Butthead
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      A for GW1 but if long term I'd go Firm

      1. Flynny
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Long term planning surely better??

    2. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      That's a tough one and I was always stuck on Mahrez but his past few games he just hasn't seemed himself and has gone missing all too much.

      Firmino is very much a confidence player and has just had some impressive pre season games, I can see him starting gw1 and with Arsenals now depleted defence I could see him getting involved in some goal action this gw and beyond.

      1. Flynny
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Cheers mate...

      2. Belsunz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        same here. Was firmly stuck on Mahrez as well all pre-season but am beginning to doubt him these last days...

    3. So Troublesome
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Firmino could get goals against Arsenal. Their defence is in tatters at the moment.

  8. Butthead
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Should I keep KDB?

    1. NOVARDYNOPARTY
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Looked v good yesterday

  9. mdm
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Which option is better:

    A. Tadic and Baines
    B. Firmino and Pieters

    Thanks

    1. Butthead
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      B but with a more reliable defender like Evans perhaps.

    2. So Troublesome
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Its a toss up

    3. Marc OverMata
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      A

  10. RichRover
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    A for me

  11. DS84
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Oscar seems to be a good alternative for a cheaper Chelsea (forward) player, why is nobody considering him?

    1. Marc OverMata
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Hazard is essential...

      1. DS84
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        and both?

    2. So Troublesome
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Just go with Hazard to start.

  12. So Troublesome
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    DDG
    Pieters Friend McAuley Souare Smith
    Firmino Hazard Sanchez Redmond Deulofeu
    Aguero Carroll Deeney

    Please let me have your thoughts.

    I'm thinking of going AOA on GW1.

  13. hoola515
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Quick RMT Plz peeps, Anyone i.m missing out on for the first few weeks?

    Heaton

    Sagna Shaw Soare

    Firminio Ali Payet Hazard

    Long Wickham Aguero

    Subs Foster Kante Fry Mcauley

    1. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      wouldn't pick Wickham personally.

  14. Coaly
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    a) Firmino VVD
    b) Mane Morgan

    Liverpools first 3 fixtures are away which lends itself to the counter attack and will suit Mane

    Also concerned about Bertrand being out for Soton

    1. Marc OverMata
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      A all day

  15. Marc OverMata
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Ok, a couple of questions guys:

    1. Best two 7.5 mids other than Tadic?
    2. Best 4.5 def with Friend and Francis already in Team?

    Cheers

    1. So Troublesome
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      1. Ayew, any of the Chelsea 7.5s and maybe Walcott

      2. Pieters or McAuley/Evans

    2. Langley van Gaal
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Ayew, Lamela or Redmond. Oscar for a risk.

  16. Winter_is_coming
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    If wildcard after gameweek 3, Targett worth a punt?

  17. Coaly
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Lamela or Tadic?

    Is Lamela nailed? What formation will Soton play? Is Puel an attack favouring coach?

    1. Belsunz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Lamela is nailed.

  18. LONG LIVE ZOLA
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    A) Francis?
    B) Evans?

    Keeper is already Foster

  19. d.vinayak
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Opinions please.. probally my 30th draft..
    so confused..

    Mandanda/Valdes
    Nsue/Valencia/Dann/Fernandez/Fry
    Maharez/Firmino/Defloue/Redmond/Feghouli/
    Agureo/Kane/Gray

    Formation would be - 3-5-2 or 3-4-3.

    Maharez or Miki or suggestion???

    1. Give Me the Mane
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Rez for gw 1

    2. Give Me the Mane
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Looks good

      1. d.vinayak
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        kane or vardy..

        i have the option to play lamela over redmond?

  20. Silva’s Left Nut
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    If Leicester city didn't exist, making my team would be 10x easier. I'll make a great team that I would no doubt be settled with otherwise and then realize it has no Leicester attack... And their opening fixtures are so enticing.

  21. Badhat
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Hey guys, RMT please and comments for potential Changes, much appriciated:

    Foster - (Jakupovic)
    Shaw - Van Dijk - Stones - (Pieters) - (Friend)
    Hazard - Alli - Noble - Redmond - (Capoue)
    Zlatan - Kun - Gray

    thanks

  22. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Can someone please rate my team out of 10? GK: Foster
    Def: Van Aanholt,Walker,Shaw
    Mid: Tadic,Hazard,Ayew,Bolasie
    Forward: Aguero, Gray,Ibra
    Bench:Heaton, Friend, Fernandez,Watson
    If Ayew leaves Swansea then I will replace him with Tadic. Also, will rotate heaton and foster according to fixtures
    Thanks

  23. Tiamani Warrior
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Is darmian more of a threat to Shaw or Valencia - or neither?

    1. chilli con kone
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Valencia but it's his to lose at the minute

    2. Give Me the Mane
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      That's the reason I didn't take a chance on Valencia myself, don't know actually

  24. chilli con kone
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Who will score better in the first 3 in your opinion?

    A. Mahrez (hul, ARS, SWA)

    B. Hazard (WHM, wat, BUR)

    1. Cato Fong 你好
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Have them both, but Hazard methinks!

  25. Tiamani Warrior
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Which combo do you predict to score more over the entire season: Vardy&Sanchez or Zlatan&Payet?

    1. chilli con kone
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      V & S

      1. Give Me the Mane
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        V S

      2. Cato Fong 你好
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Z & P, neither in CL

  26. mranonymous
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Wickham nailed for first few GWs?

    1. chilli con kone
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Unless the sign berahino then yes

  27. Hazardinho10
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Hey guys quick RMT would be much appreciated. Thanks!

    Foster (Jaku)
    Walker - Morgan - Shaw (McAuley, Lenihan)
    Feghouli - Eriksen - Tadic - Hazard (Capoue)
    Kun - Ibra - Gray

    Not totally convinced by Ibra, but as lots of people already said, it's easier to get him out if he's underperforming than the other way around. And if he does perform, you don't want to be missing him with such a high % of owners.

    1. Cato Fong 你好
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      The high % of owners for Ibra is concerning alright, does having Fegholi counteract his points potential though?!? Lamela looks good pre-season, might free up £1.5m, just a thought!

      1. Hazardinho10
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        I'm afraid having to free up 1.5 will seriously weaken the rest of my team. It's hard to find a balance when you have both Ibra and Kun, think I more or less found it. I'm willing to gamble on Feghouli, really think for 5.5 he's a bargain.

        1. Cato Fong 你好
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          I was thinking of a straight swap between Ericksen / Lamela, don't think that would weaken your team too much & give you room to maneuvre. Go with your gut though mate, who knows whats going to happen initially anyway 😉

  28. mvtaylor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Apologies if there's an article about this already but what are the available Fantasy Football games this year? (Free to play or small fee to win cash)

    Seemingly it's:

    FPL (no premium or w/e this year)
    Sky
    Sun DreamTeam
    Telegraph
    Mirror / "Fantasy iTeam" (app / Facebook)
    DraftKings (not looked at)

    It seems Daily Mail aren't doing one this year and that's the lot...

  29. JKArsenal
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Suggestions please 🙂
    Cech (Foster)
    Shaw, Walker, Fuchs (Friend & Mee)
    Hazard, Tadic, Barkley, Eriksen (Leko)
    Kun, Gray, Long

    Thank you

  30. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    How has Silva looked in pre season? Is he dropping deep or pushing up for some points?