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The Dugout Discussion – Burnley vs Arsenal

2 October 2016 3936 comments
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Gameweek 7 comes to its conclusion as Burnley welcome Arsenal to Turf Moor.

The Gunners roll up on the back of four straight league wins, with Alexis Sanchez and Theo Walcott both in fine recent form.

The Chilean teed up Walcott’s pair of strikes in the midweek Champions League win over FC Basel and with three double-figure hauls in four, carries the armband hopes of many at Turf Moor.

Walcott has now notched five times in seven across all competitions and has risen to 6% ownership in Fantasy Premier League.

Another big performance today would surely kick start a bandwagon over the international break, yet Arsene Wenger’s side face an obstinate Clarets rearguard that has conceded just five goals in the previous 17 league matches in front of their own supporters.

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  1. Rogue Todd
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Please tell me they aren't seriously giving the assist to Walcott?

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    1. Rider on the Storm
      10 years, 16 days ago

      I watch many times the replay and i only see oxlade touch the ball before kos goal

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Better than giving an offside goal.

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      1. Rogue Todd
        10 years, 16 days ago

        eh?

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          10 years, 16 days ago

          Ox to Kosc would surely be offside?

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          1. Rogue Todd
            10 years, 16 days ago

            Linesman didn't give it, but that doesn't take away the fact Ox touched it. If you think giving the assist to Walcott is the right decision then I am totally lost for words.

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            1. Shano23
              10 years, 16 days ago

              Ox doesnt get a touch u donkey. Let me guess non Walcott and Kos owner having a moan for no reason???

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            2. TorresMagic™
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              10 years, 16 days ago

              http://news.arseblog.com/2016/10/ox-and-koscielny-on-who-scored-that-late-goal/

              Haven't seen a conclusion angle but some claimed Ox kicked Walcotts boot.

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              1. Rogue Todd
                10 years, 16 days ago

                According to that link Ox said he touched it - that was good enough for Lukaku's goal last week.

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                  1. Rogue Todd
                    10 years, 16 days ago

                    I have watched it - no need for the abuse is there?

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                    1. Shano23
                      10 years, 16 days ago

                      And u cant see Ox kicking Kos foot????

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                      1. Rogue Todd
                        10 years, 16 days ago

                        I have watched it in the slowest of slow motions in UHD from multiple angles and there is no doubt from what my eyes tell me that Ox touched it - plus Ox has actually said he touched it (see TM's link)

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                      2. Gnu
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                        10 years, 16 days ago

                        After watching the countless replays on Sky I would agree.
                        However, the bigger question here is what is your major malfunction?
                        You've just posted to 2 respected seasoned posters like they were something on your shoe.
                        Another reason quality FFsers are leaving this site in their droves.

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                      3. Shano23
                        10 years, 16 days ago

                        They cant questioning the sites credibility just because they dont have Walcott in their teams and i just called them out on it

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          2. ChampChomp
            10 years, 16 days ago

            Yeah it was offside

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          3. Smarty Pants
            10 years, 16 days ago

            why not give the goal to Ox then? let's act like Kos didn't touch it as it was both handball and offside, why make Ox the fall guy?

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            1. TorresMagic™
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              10 years, 16 days ago

              Kosc obviously got the last touch. The one before is the one in doubt.

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              1. Smarty Pants
                10 years, 16 days ago

                I personally don't think there can be any doubt
                http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2016/10/02/the-dugout-discussion-burnley-vs-arsenal/?hc_page=29#hc_comment_14232597

                Your point was that FPL didn't give Ox the assist as it would have meant the referee didn't see the offside and it should not have counted. Well, the ref didn't see the handball either, so should FPL have cancelled Kos goal by that logic?

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                1. Camp No No
                  10 years, 16 days ago

                  Thanks, that's pretty clear! Takes of all doubt on two questions: no Ox, hence no offside. Handball question is a bit unclear though, from that exact angle it looks like it hits his arm, but Kos's and Heaton's reactions suggest it hits his face. Is there a better angle to judge that?

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                2. TorresMagic™
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                  10 years, 16 days ago

                  It was more tongue in cheek. Obviously someone scored and it wasn't a Burnley player. Wish they would bring in replays in those cases. Either handball or offside should have been the correct call.

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                3. Barry Woj
                  10 years, 16 days ago

                  https://my.mixtape.moe/mfnped.mp4

                  It comes off Koscielny's boot not Chamberlain's. You can see it connect with the inside of his green boot pretty clearly in this video. The final angle in that Youtube link suggests Chamberlain just kicks Koscielny's boot (41 seconds).

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                  1. Camp No No
                    10 years, 16 days ago

                    Thanks, Barry Woj.

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                  2. Smarty Pants
                    10 years, 16 days ago

                    I'm not saying that Kos didn't touch it with his foot, it looks like they both kicked it at the same time. But the direction and speed that the ball was going after that was the result of Ox's touch, it's pretty clear. Some argue that Ox kicked Kos' foot, but you would see that in that angle that you've linked, wouldn't you?

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                    1. Ryan
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                      10 years, 16 days ago

                      I think its a fair debate actually. Could be seen either way.

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                  3. Rogue Todd
                    10 years, 16 days ago

                    Not a great angle - the long range wide angle that Sky showed the first replay on you can in UHD see the ball divert when it is above Kosc's boot - plus Ox has said he has touched it which was good enough for Lukaku's goal when there was no evidence he touched it a couple of weeks ago. Even if the video isn't conclusive, FPL need to be consistent.

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                4. Camp No No
                  10 years, 16 days ago

                  Sorry, I now realise you meant the other way round. What I see clearly at the '40 is that ball is firmly on Kos's foot as he tries to shoot, Ox kicks Kos's shoe, and the ball hits Kos in arm and face and bounces in the goal.

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                  1. Smarty Pants
                    10 years, 16 days ago

                    I see the same except that I don't see Ox kicking Kos's shoe but rather kicking the ball immediately after Kos's clumsy touch.

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    3. Smarty Pants
      10 years, 16 days ago

      done and dusted, I'm afraid
      yet another bizarre decision by FPL towers but what would you do...

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      1. Shano23
        10 years, 16 days ago

        OX did Not touch it. Watch again and pipe down.

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        1. Smarty Pants
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Very convincing, thanks for your insights.

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        2. BadgersBoys
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Catch a grip of yourself, Shano. No need for it.

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    4. ChampChomp
      10 years, 16 days ago

      It looks like it. An absolute farce really

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    5. Fitzy.
      10 years, 16 days ago

      How does this Shano guy still have his comments up? He has called another poster a 'clown', a 'donkey' and told another to 'pipe down', while at other times on here innocuous comments get removed at will.

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      1. Gnu
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Yep, this place is a shambles.

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        1. Fitzy.
          10 years, 16 days ago

          The inconsistent moderating needs looking into.

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          1. TorresMagic™
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            10 years, 16 days ago

            You have the option of flagging comments or emailing Jonty if you feel it's an issue.

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            1. Fitzy.
              10 years, 16 days ago

              Will probably do so.

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      2. Shano23
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Cause u are all saying things that are 100 per cent wrong just cause u dont have these players in ur teams.

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        1. Fitzy.
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Check my link Sherlock - I own Walcott. 🙄

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          1. Shano23
            10 years, 16 days ago

            Specsavers

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          2. BadgersBoys
            10 years, 16 days ago

            🙂

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      3. Ryan
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Clown, donkey and pipe down?

        You might be getting a bit sensitive eh 😕

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        1. Fitzy.
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Well, I've had much less removed plenty of times - comments that weren't personally abusive etc. And the 'clown' comment has since been removed, guess I was right on that one?

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          1. Ryan
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            10 years, 16 days ago

            Well I wouldn't know what those lesser comments were. Take it up with Jonty.

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        2. Fitzy.
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Also, the poster those comments were directed at thought they were abusive.

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          1. No more thanks.

    6. Ryan Naysmith
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Can't see replies

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  2. Slurpy
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Best 5.5 or under? Valencia has had his time.

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    1. Slurpy
      10 years, 16 days ago

      defender that is

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      1. Wurstmuncher
        10 years, 16 days ago

        vertonghen?

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    2. GreennRed
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Coleman. Van Dijk.

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    3. COYS Down Under
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Cedric

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    4. TLF
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Cedric

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  3. Moose™
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Small green for this week so, what to do with this team?

    Foster Pickford

    Shaw Williams Kone Evans Amat

    Sanchez Firmino Antonio Snoddy Capoo

    Kun Lukaku Deeney

    2ft, 2.6itb

    My def need a big overhaul?

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    1. Mick J
      10 years, 16 days ago

      What about replacing Shaw and Williams with some good defenders, e.g. Koscielny/Bellerin and Walker/Rose?

      That move would not be popular in here, “too much money in the defence” etc., but I think it could be smart. Unfortunately I have tied way too much money in attackers that don’t give me much.

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      1. Mick J
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Or, not tied up, but used most of the money on expensive attackers that give me 2 points in return. The £4.5 defenders give me 1 or 2 points every single time.

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      2. Moose™
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Do the transfers now or wait next week? Out of all 4 main def which 2 or 3 MUST go?

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    2. Mongreloid
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Kone and Evans need to be switched out. Better value available and WBA fixtures are shocking

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      1. Moose™
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Hold Shaw and Williams for another week? There are lots of BETTER option other than Shaw. Might ditch now.

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  4. Miami Monkey
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Do you guys think there's a chance Son will rise again before the next GW after his rise due tonight?

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    1. faver
      10 years, 16 days ago

      yup

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  5. Ghost86
    10 years, 16 days ago

    What do we think time to wildcard?

    Valdes jaku
    Valencia stones friend Amat love
    Ozil mane sterling alli capoue
    Kun lukaku gray

    1 FT

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    1. Mongreloid
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Not necessarily, but you should shuffle Gray out

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    2. Kiwivillan
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Gray to Austin or Wilson. I prefer Austin

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    3. Ghost86
      10 years, 16 days ago

      That's the easy move gray to austin

      Just worried about the weak defence and no Sanchez

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  6. Cheeseoid
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    10 years, 16 days ago

    Although a terrible week in FPL I am doing OK in Sky.

    How is everyone else who is playing that game doing?

    I am 1320 with 32 transfers remaining. I have to say I really like that game and would like to see more about it on here

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    1. Rhinos
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Forgot to change cap again. Think the problem is I just can't be bothered playing more than one game and fpl the daddy. Good luck though

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      1. Cheeseoid
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        That is the thing isn't it? Once you forget a couple of times you are fairly screwed

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    2. John t penguin
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Disable used to do a weekly article that was excellent for helping with planning, really need someone to take it on again.
      Think maybe de man gets kick backs from other games like draft kings which then gets priority

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      1. Cheeseoid
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Boo!

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  7. Hurricane Gilbert
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Transfers during the break - does your experience tell you to hold your transfers until it's over or make them early to catch prise risers?
    To me it seems wiser to wait, even if it means missing out on risers

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    1. Henryyy
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Im def waiting

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    2. GreennRed
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Wait. No point in saving money just to waste points on more transfers it if players get injured on international duty.

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      1. Kiwivillan
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Unless the player you want isn't playing

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        1. ChampChomp
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Other players in your squad can get injured.

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        2. Jolly Good
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Is Walcott playing?

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  8. Mongreloid
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    10 years, 16 days ago

    Antonio and Rondon > Son and Austin for -4 hit... would have to be tonight for price rise on Son as well... thoughts?

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  9. Dušan Citizen
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Son and Vert probably rising tonight.

    Should I make transfers tonight? And which are better?

    A) Ozil and Bolasie to Walcott and Son for -4
    or
    B) Ozil, Bolasie and PVA to Walcott, Arnautovic and Vert for -8

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    1. Mongreloid
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      A

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    2. Dušan Citizen
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Ty. More opinions, please?

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      1. Mick J
        10 years, 16 days ago

        A.

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  10. Rhinos
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Worst fantasy week in ages. Score wasn't appalling, 42 -8, but this was the week my no man city players was meant to bear fruit. Outside top 2million now oops. Oh well there's always someone worse off, guy bottom of ml got 18 with Ibra triple cap

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  11. internal error
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    10 years, 16 days ago

    Do you think Shaw if fit, will start at left back against Liverpool?

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    1. Rhinos
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Well he won't start at right back

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      1. internal error
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Not everyone knows this, but Shaw started out as a right back

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    2. Ryan
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Strong chance, I think he's needed. Can see Blind starting ahead of Herrera at DM

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      1. internal error
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Thats interesting. Blind did ok, but that clearance at the end lead to the goal opportunity

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        1. Ryan
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          10 years, 16 days ago

          DM is a very different position to LB

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    3. Kiwivillan
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Herrera is one of their best players

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      1. Ryan
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Yes he has been good but is he suitable for Liverpools incredible attack right now?

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    4. Rains of Castamere
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Possibly due to being much quicker than Blind and facing up to Mane.

      But I can't see us keeping a CS at Anfield anyway. Or the Bridge the following GW.

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      1. internal error
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Chelsea seem like flat track bullies. I wouldnt fear them atm

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  12. LarryDuff
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Is the consensus Southampton and Arsenal are the go to defences?

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    1. internal error
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Spurs and everton too

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    2. ryacoo
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Spurs too

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    3. jernej93
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Spurs have the best defence in league 🙂

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  13. jernej93
    10 years, 16 days ago

    352 with Son & Antonio or 433 with Son & Benteke ? 🙂

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    1. Forza Papac
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      433

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  14. Reed_Rothchild
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Why can't I see price rises on Total FPL? I know I'm on ge right site.

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    1. Jimmers
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Nobody uses TotalFPL anymore - a long time since it was reliable

      Use this http://www.fplstatistics.co.uk/

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  15. faux_C
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Time to wildcard? Slipped from 183k to 250k the last two weeks with this lot:

    Cech / Jakupovic
    Kone / Evans / Mee / Shaw / Friend
    Firmino / Townsend / Antonio / Capoue / Redmond
    Zlatan / Aguero / Lukaku

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  16. GreennRed
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Koscielny obviously a big Henry fan 😉

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  17. liiusions
    10 years, 16 days ago

    How's Walcott got the assist for that?! Marriner working for FPL now?

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    1. Jimmers
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      His was the last touch before Kos bundled it in. Ox never touched it

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    2. GreennRed
      10 years, 16 days ago

      The Ox didn't touch the ball. Shouldn't have been allowed but I'll take those assist points !

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  18. Mongreloid
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    10 years, 16 days ago

    Antonio and Rondon > Son and Austin for -4 hit... would have to be tonight for price rise on Son as well... WBA fixtures are rubbish too...thoughts? Anyone?

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    1. Mongreloid
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      No one at all...?

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    2. GreennRed
      10 years, 16 days ago

      No. Wait until just before next deadline to have a clearer picture who's available. You're already talking about -4.

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      1. Mongreloid
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Son is just so tempting though - OoP in a form team with decent fixtures!

        Your voice is the one of reason though and I think you're right. Almost wish I had a mid I wanted to shift but a -4 going into the internationals is a risk. Cheers

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        1. GreennRed
          10 years, 16 days ago

          Antonio should come good again and Rondon will do similar points to Charlie.

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    3. jernej93
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Thinking about Antonio -> Son myself but I think there are still big numbers to come from Antonio 😀

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      1. Mongreloid
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        10 years, 16 days ago

        Both playing OoP but West Ham are so hard to predict and Son is in such good form! Very very tempting. Personally though it leaves me having to downgrade Rondon or Ibra and taking -4 on the chin, so I'll leave it for now and hope Son's price goes so high its BT an option

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  19. kijsberg
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Ozil or Antonio to Son?

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  20. Rains of Castamere
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Ibra and Brad Smith ----> Deeney and Koscielny.

    Done.

    With enough left over to upgrade Ozil for Sanchez in GW9. Hoping Alexis is jaded for SWA having had two South American qualifiers.

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  21. Everyday im Schneiderlin
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Best combination
    A cech snodgrass
    B foster chadli
    Thank you.

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    1. Only a Hazard of time
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      A

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      1. Everyday im Schneiderlin
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Thanks

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  22. Miami Monkey
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Best 4.5 def for the near future?

    Robertson
    Francis
    Holebas/Prodl

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  23. Ghost86
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Do we think there will be many double risers in the international break?

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  24. Ryan Naysmith
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Still confused as to why walcott has the assist but I'll take it

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  25. internal error
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    10 years, 16 days ago

    Just read on Redcafe the opinion that Rashford isn't on Martial's level. Who agrees?

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    1. Camp No No
      10 years, 16 days ago

      o/

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    2. Ryan
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      I certainly agree. Martial is a better left winger and should be starting ahead of Rashford. Rashford is better as a number 9

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    3. Rhinos
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Don't really care, they're both good

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  26. Mulla
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Up in nosebleed territory at 46k after a few descent weeks !!
    Itching to use make some transfers to freshen team up a bit and catch some risers but will prob wait til after break. have 2FT, 0itb

    Pick .Jaku
    Coleman .Lovren. Holebas. Evans .Amat
    Sanchez .Sterling .Antonio .Firm .Capoue.
    Kun. Lukaku .Deeney.

    Any suggestions ?? don't mind taking a -4 for the greater cause, there's a few who I'd like to shift on.
    Antonio»»Son/Wally
    Lovren »»Smith
    Jaku»»Grant (good fixtures

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    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      10 years, 16 days ago

      All good transfers. Do it, my son!

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      1. Mulla
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Nice one, would u do it now or wait til International games finished ? Always a bit sketchy about early trannies during a break

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  27. Rhinos
    10 years, 16 days ago

    I said last season that whilst taking punts is fun, being miles off the pace is less fun. Not learning though coz giving Ibra more time which means not gonna get kun, plus capping Benteke

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  28. Stimps
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Antonio -> Son now?

    If he rises i won't be able to afford

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    1. Rhinos
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Go on my son

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    2. Ryan
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      10 years, 16 days ago

      Do it

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    3. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Yes

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  29. dashdriver
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Foster / Pickford
    Valencia / Stones / Williams / McAuley / Amat
    Sanchez / Firmino / Antonio / Chadli / Capoue
    Agüero / Lukaku / Benteke

    Allready did Antonio to Son. One more FT and £0.2 ITB.

    My best start to FPL so far. Within 10K.

    Where would you be looking to make changes?

    I suppose at least one of my WBA players need to go. But not happy with Stones and Valencia either. Willing to take a hit.

    Any clever inputs appreciated.

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    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      10 years, 16 days ago

      McCauley to Holebas? WBA have awful fixtures.
      Wouldn't take a hit for any others. Stick with it.

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      1. dashdriver
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Thanks

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  30. Norfolk&Chance
    10 years, 16 days ago

    Any injuries post today's matches? (saw pickford..) Kosc was holding his knee just after he scored... all OK?...

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    1. Rhinos
      10 years, 16 days ago

      Cedric

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      1. Norfolk&Chance
        10 years, 16 days ago

        Thanks mate

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