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Dugout Discussion – Liverpool vs West Ham United

11 December 2016 3338 comments
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The final match of Gameweek 15 sees Liverpool welcome West Ham United to Anfield in the 4.30pm kick-off.

Both Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino are highly fancied against a Hammers defence that shipped five at home to Arsenal last weekend.

Mane has served up points in five of his six home outings, whilst Firmino will be looking to banish a three-match barren run and return to the form that has already seen him register 15 points in front of his own supporters on two occasions.

Divock Origi looks to score for the fourth successive match in all competitions to strengthen his claim as a mid-price festive frontman.

West Ham, meanwhile, have home encounters with Burnley and Hull followed by a trip to Swansea in the upcoming three Gameweeks.

We’ll be looking for signs of form from Dimitri Payet and the fit-again Michail Antonio, then, while big Andy Carroll is named amongst the subs against his former club, having emerged from the bench to net the Hammers’ consolation against Arsenal last time out.

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  1. andy85wsm
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    On the hit train again....

    Capoue and Nacho to Okaka and Antonio

    Proper knee jerky stuff but it means Can would become my 5th mid, would have Antonio for Burnley and Hull and Okaka has okay fixtures after City (who are leaky anyway) - thoughts?

    Too knee jerky?

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    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Those hits are so moreish.

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    2. Slam
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Where will Antonio play?
      (Yes btw, I think it's a tad knee-jerky)

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    3. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      No way.

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    4. Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Too knee jerky indeed. Okaka has had one great game. And Antonio could play at RWB soon again.

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    5. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah far too jerky.

      If I would have proposed those moves to you on Friday you would have vomited.

      Give Nacho a chance at Watford. Also I'd rather get Payet in than Antonio. With Carrol back Anontio won't be playing up top and could even find himself at RB/RWB.

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    6. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Too knee jerky

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    7. FPLtfs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Capoue needs to go imo, and he will drop tonight as well, so its a yes from me.
      Im considering something similar. Firmino and Nacho -> Antonio and Costa. Would you do it?

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    8. pax888
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Massive NO from me.

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    9. JAC THE CAT
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yes

      Strap it up

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    10. andy85wsm
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      • 16 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah fair enough....

      Now have Lovren and Can flagged, probably have to just hope to get through midweek and take a -4 or something for 3 transfers

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      1. Smurf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        What do you have in the bank to upgrade Capoue with?

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        1. andy85wsm
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          • 16 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          1m but a little wary of spending too much. Philips probably not great long term right?

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          1. Smurf
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 7 months ago

            I'd say he is. Seems very involved in West Brom's attacks and I think he will easily outscore other similarly priced players such as Capoue, Can, Gundogan & Allen.

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      2. Smurf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Considering he has Swansea why not Can or Capoue to Phillips?

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      3. Chris_H
        • 17 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        You've got Alonso & Brunt in defence with good fixtures, just sell Lovren for a def of your choice.

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    11. Crystal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      That's last weeks points

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    12. Chris_H
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      So you're swapping one Watford player for another & one player with a good fixture on paper for another.

      For a -4.

      No.

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    13. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      when carroll came on, antonio went wide. The commentators said carroll was being rested. I think your move is actually the worst idea you've ever had. Don't take that badly you've done good moves but come on look at it again

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    14. Somalion
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Probably a touch knee jerky.

      But I was extremely impressed with Okaka (maybe more from a general football perspective than FPL) and Antonio is a better pick than Capoue...

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  2. Slam
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Alrighty, which one lads?

    A) Redmond -> Eriksen (FT)
    B) Redmond+Clyne -> Eriksen+Alderweireld [-4]
    C) Redmond+Firmino -> Eriksen+9.6 [-4]
    D) Redmond+Clyne+Firmino -> Eriksen+Alderweireld+9.1 [-8]

    Thanks in advance

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    1. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Eriksen x Alderweireld.

      Foreigners = Better

      xox

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      1. Worzel Gummidge
        9 years, 7 months ago

        You and this foreigner chat is getting more and more boring. Give it a rest.

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        1. Slam
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          What are your thoughts Worzel?

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      2. Slam
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Wth?

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  3. FPLtfs
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Down from 9k to 15 k overall, but top of all MLs 🙂

    Pull the trigger on these moves?

    Iheanacho and Firmino -> Costa and Antonio?

    Antonio could be any mid for 6.9

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  4. itwaswritten
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Pep should play Nolito instead of Iheanacho.

    xox

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    1. Jude Rooney
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      And???

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  5. Gorbitz
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Probably debated alot already - but Firmino has to go. Clearly not delivering the goods to defend the price tag. Seems to suffer from Coutino absence and Klopp's move to accomodate Origi. Who to bring in?

    0.3 ITB, so cannot go for Mané or Payet.
    Already got 3 x Chelsea.
    Just got rid of Walcott so wont go there.

    A) Siggi
    B) Eriksen
    C) Son (cheaper, save money for later)
    D) Lallana
    E) Mahrez

    Thanks in advance!

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B

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    2. Whats the Mata?
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Payet if you had the funds...sadly thats not the case hence Eriksen

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  6. Supersonic
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    a) Lukaku and mane - replacing Redmond
    Or
    b) Ibra and 7.5 (Lallana?)- replacing lukaku and Redmond -4

    Team is:

    Grant-Pickford
    Clyne-brunt-friend-(Amat-Kingsley)
    Sanchez-siggy-firmino-Redmond-hazard
    Lukaku-Costa-(anichebe)

    Thanks guys

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  7. Professor Abel X
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Play Amat (wba) over Capoue (mci) and Anichebe (CHE)?

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    1. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Can't see either of those getting more than 2 points.

      Just try your luck.

      xox

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    2. Chris_H
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Could be one of 'those' games where you bench Capoue and he scores.

      I don't see Swans getting 2 CS in a row

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    3. JustPark
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Capoue>Amat>Anichebe

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  8. samaael
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    dropped 1K to 45K in 3 weeks. Jumping of a cliff. Let me what to do

    Heaton
    Stones/ Walker/ Evans
    Firmino/ Hazard/ Redmond/ Sanchez
    Costa/Kane/Defoe

    4.0/De Roon /Morgan/ Amat

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    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Redmond to Zaha.

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      1. Kuqi Monster
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Despite palace's fixtures?

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    2. Slam
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Grab on to a branch

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    3. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Jump of the cliff that you mentioned.

      xox

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      1. samaael
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        what would you think if there was an genuine update RIP Samaael tomorrow on here?

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        1. itwaswritten
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Jk.

          Get rid of Redmond.

          xox

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  9. FPL Mentor
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Bottomed

    What to do with this liability of a team?

    Heaton Pickford
    Brunt Lovren* PvA Amat Kingsley
    Sanchez Hazard Firmino Siggy Can
    Kane Costa Iheanacho

    0.1m itb

    1FT
    ----------------------
    Defence very shoddy.

    Eyeing up Bailly and Cedric. Gabriel a shout for 4.8?

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    1. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      L**ren > Cedric

      xox

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    2. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Iheanacho to Carroll and Lovren to Cedric. Looks a decent team to me though - going to be ups and downs.

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  10. how now brown cow
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Any thoughts on Gabriel for the next wee while?

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Other defenders have better fixtures

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      1. how now brown cow
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        At the same price though?

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        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Jones is cheaper isn't he?

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  11. Kuqi Monster
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Who's punting on Carroll then?

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      No sir

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    2. how now brown cow
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      He's an accident waiting to happen.

      Might get a few pts in meantime mind.

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    3. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Me

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  12. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Genuinely don't know what to do with firmino........ He should be doing better 🙁
    Not enough cash for mane and I just don't rate lalana or can in place

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      It's not just the fact he's blanking. He doesn't look even close to scoring, his touch was poor

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Urghh I feel sick

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        1. Chris_H
          • 17 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          0.5 for Payet? That's what I'm doing I reckon.

          Are you a Pool fan? If we sell and he scores win-win

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  13. Zlatans little helper
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Third consecutive GW with a hit, anyone on board the same ship?

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yep, it's fun until the gameweek starts

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  14. Hochoki
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    1. is ake a sure starter ??
    2. is okaka a sure starter ??
    3. is there any chance mane getting a ban prior to gw 16 ??

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    1. Slam
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      No
      No
      Yes

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    2. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yes
      Yes
      Maybe

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  15. FCSB
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    With teams quite similar at this stage in the season, is a 100 point gap possible to close, that's the gap between myself and my ML leader...?

    Current team:

    Heaton
    Walker Cedric Lovren
    Sanchez Hazard Firmino Can Sigurdsson
    Costa Kane

    Foster McAuley Anichebe Amat

    Any changes suggested?

    Thanks

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    1. diesel001
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yes - team value will make a difference - the more heavy hitters you can afford the better. Get rid of Lovren though if you can.

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      1. FCSB
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        105.1 TV pretty pleased with that but will continue to build...

        Who do you suggest for Lovren? 5.2m budget

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  16. ZakAFC_
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Anything worth a hit?

    Grant
    Alonso, Cedric, Pieters
    Sanchez, Firmino, Hazard, Redmond
    Kane (c), Costa, Nacho

    Pickford, de Roon, Holebas, Kingsley

    0.8 ITB

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    1. itwaswritten
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Redmond > Antonio

      xox

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      1. ZakAFC_
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Not possible

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  17. joersherman
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    A) Mane & Firmino to Payet & Eriksen/Mihk
    B) just Firmino to Eriksen
    C) Firmino to Payet (need defensive downgrade, not major)

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Keep Mane! B

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  18. RAFA THE GAFFA
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Please help 🙂

    Llorente or Carroll???

    Got Siggy though.

    Planning on Firmino > Payet after that!

    Or I can get Origi? But then I need to find 0.3m in a hit for Firmino > Payet!

    This game is hard 🙁 haha

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  19. JAC THE CAT
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Austin needs to be sold tonight.

    A, Origi
    B, Llorente

    Both are punts and not nailed on.

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    1. Flynny
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      In same boat....

      Heading to origi

      Prefer lpool striker to Swansea striker

      What do u reckon

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      1. JAC THE CAT
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I'm leaning towards Llorente, going to head towards the stats zone now.

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    2. liiusions
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      A, he's nailed for the next few at least

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      1. how now brown cow
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Are you sure? I already own one 'pool disappointment in Firmino.

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        1. liiusions
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 7 months ago

          Yeah, we have no one else to play there. Might get pushed out wide as Firmino is much better in the middle but would be unfair on Origi as he's scored 4 in 4

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      2. JAC THE CAT
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        I think Firmino could be moved back to the false 9

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    3. Stimps
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B short term imo

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    4. Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B is better imo. Origi nailed for the next few bet a transfer out when Cou is back

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  20. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Quite frustrated owning Firmino. The position swap hasn't helped at all. And 2 tough away games whilst Payet/Eriksen have plum home games doesn't help his case. Coutinho could be back quicker than expected though so might be a short term switch.

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    1. Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yeah I read somewhere that Cout could be back for the derby. Seems to good to be true?

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      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Ahead of schedule but not the derby I don't think.

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    2. Ravager
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Yup and noticed today as well that it isn't even just 'LW'. He's dropping deeper than Mane has to as well and tasked with more than he would as a false 9/Coutinho in. Irritating.

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  21. itwaswritten
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    H**ry K*ne will blank next week too and Eriksen & Son will snatch the goals/assists.

    xox

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    1. Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Foreigners win, right?

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    2. TorresMagic™
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      • 17 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Overdoing the * and xox

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  22. Stimps
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Who to get rid of first? (0.3m itb)

    A) Firmino
    B) Fuchs
    C) Both for a hit

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    1. liiusions
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B

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    2. how now brown cow
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      I sold Fuchs for a hit and felt great. Until the Saints teamsheet came out!!

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    3. Ravager
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Fuchs. Always Fuchs.

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    4. dhamphiir
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Fuchs

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    5. JAC THE CAT
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      B

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    6. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      C

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  23. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    On the plus side feels good to have chosen origi at last minute over nacho

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  24. white lightning
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    If Mane is banned as a Firmino owner will this improve his fantasy output i.e. He will take more responsibility, get more ball, provide more attacking chances, get more himself. Thoughts & thanks.

    I've been thinking of selling Firmino but maybe will keep if Mane is suspended if the above pans out.

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    1. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Mane won't be suspended so don't worry about it

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  25. Chicken-Mandy
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    do i give firmino one more week or get rid for eriksen/alli/antonio

    Yes origi has scored in both his starts but liverpool have only got 1 point from the 2 games so clearly something isnt working, maybe firmino will be put back in the middle against boro

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  26. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Tinkering here...
    Firmino /Austin OUT
    Payet/Llorente IN
    -4
    Kinda like it.

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    1. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Thinking of this exact same move! Or with Carroll as I have Siggy! Tough one!

      Wonder what others think?

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  27. Lyonnais
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    I don't have any Arsenal attackers and can't afford Sanchez unless I sell Hazard (I own Costa aswell).
    Would you sell Firmino for Özil/Walcott to at least have one Arsenal player?

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  28. F4L
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Best 7th attacker:

    A - Nacho
    B - Origi
    C - Antonio?

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  29. Jazz!
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    Ooh won the tie in the FFS Cup 😀

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Same, Payet needed 1 more attacking return 🙂

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      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Nice. How many left in the cup now?

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    2. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 7 months ago

      Nice one Jazz

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      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 7 months ago

        Cheers mate 🙂

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  30. Jedi_Reed
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 7 months ago

    How did Origi look today? Thinking of swapping him in for Austin, or is that unwise, if he's at risk of being rested on Wed?

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