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Dugout Discussion – Liverpool vs West Ham United

11 December 2016 3338 comments
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The final match of Gameweek 15 sees Liverpool welcome West Ham United to Anfield in the 4.30pm kick-off.

Both Sadio Mane and Roberto Firmino are highly fancied against a Hammers defence that shipped five at home to Arsenal last weekend.

Mane has served up points in five of his six home outings, whilst Firmino will be looking to banish a three-match barren run and return to the form that has already seen him register 15 points in front of his own supporters on two occasions.

Divock Origi looks to score for the fourth successive match in all competitions to strengthen his claim as a mid-price festive frontman.

West Ham, meanwhile, have home encounters with Burnley and Hull followed by a trip to Swansea in the upcoming three Gameweeks.

We’ll be looking for signs of form from Dimitri Payet and the fit-again Michail Antonio, then, while big Andy Carroll is named amongst the subs against his former club, having emerged from the bench to net the Hammers’ consolation against Arsenal last time out.

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  1. andy85wsm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 1 month ago

    On the hit train again....

    Capoue and Nacho to Okaka and Antonio

    Proper knee jerky stuff but it means Can would become my 5th mid, would have Antonio for Burnley and Hull and Okaka has okay fixtures after City (who are leaky anyway) - thoughts?

    Too knee jerky?

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    1. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Those hits are so moreish.

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    2. Slam
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Where will Antonio play?
      (Yes btw, I think it's a tad knee-jerky)

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    3. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      No way.

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    4. Hurricane Gilbert
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Too knee jerky indeed. Okaka has had one great game. And Antonio could play at RWB soon again.

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    5. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah far too jerky.

      If I would have proposed those moves to you on Friday you would have vomited.

      Give Nacho a chance at Watford. Also I'd rather get Payet in than Antonio. With Carrol back Anontio won't be playing up top and could even find himself at RB/RWB.

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    6. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Too knee jerky

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    7. FPLtfs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Capoue needs to go imo, and he will drop tonight as well, so its a yes from me.
      Im considering something similar. Firmino and Nacho -> Antonio and Costa. Would you do it?

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    8. pax888
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Massive NO from me.

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    9. JAC THE CAT
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Yes

      Strap it up

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    10. andy85wsm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Yeah fair enough....

      Now have Lovren and Can flagged, probably have to just hope to get through midweek and take a -4 or something for 3 transfers

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      1. Smurf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        What do you have in the bank to upgrade Capoue with?

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        1. andy85wsm
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          1m but a little wary of spending too much. Philips probably not great long term right?

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          1. Smurf
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            I'd say he is. Seems very involved in West Brom's attacks and I think he will easily outscore other similarly priced players such as Capoue, Can, Gundogan & Allen.

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      2. Smurf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Considering he has Swansea why not Can or Capoue to Phillips?

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      3. Chris_H
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        You've got Alonso & Brunt in defence with good fixtures, just sell Lovren for a def of your choice.

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    11. Crystal
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      That's last weeks points

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    12. Chris_H
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      So you're swapping one Watford player for another & one player with a good fixture on paper for another.

      For a -4.

      No.

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    13. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      when carroll came on, antonio went wide. The commentators said carroll was being rested. I think your move is actually the worst idea you've ever had. Don't take that badly you've done good moves but come on look at it again

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    14. Somalion
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Probably a touch knee jerky.

      But I was extremely impressed with Okaka (maybe more from a general football perspective than FPL) and Antonio is a better pick than Capoue...

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  2. Slam
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 1 month ago

    Alrighty, which one lads?

    A) Redmond -> Eriksen (FT)
    B) Redmond+Clyne -> Eriksen+Alderweireld [-4]
    C) Redmond+Firmino -> Eriksen+9.6 [-4]
    D) Redmond+Clyne+Firmino -> Eriksen+Alderweireld+9.1 [-8]

    Thanks in advance

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    1. itwaswritten
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Eriksen x Alderweireld.

      Foreigners = Better

      xox

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      1. Worzel Gummidge
          9 years, 1 month ago

          You and this foreigner chat is getting more and more boring. Give it a rest.

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          1. Slam
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            What are your thoughts Worzel?

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        • Slam
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Wth?

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    2. FPLtfs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Down from 9k to 15 k overall, but top of all MLs 🙂

      Pull the trigger on these moves?

      Iheanacho and Firmino -> Costa and Antonio?

      Antonio could be any mid for 6.9

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    3. itwaswritten
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Pep should play Nolito instead of Iheanacho.

      xox

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      1. Jude Rooney
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        And???

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    4. Gorbitz
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Probably debated alot already - but Firmino has to go. Clearly not delivering the goods to defend the price tag. Seems to suffer from Coutino absence and Klopp's move to accomodate Origi. Who to bring in?

      0.3 ITB, so cannot go for Mané or Payet.
      Already got 3 x Chelsea.
      Just got rid of Walcott so wont go there.

      A) Siggi
      B) Eriksen
      C) Son (cheaper, save money for later)
      D) Lallana
      E) Mahrez

      Thanks in advance!

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        B

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      2. Whats the Mata?
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Payet if you had the funds...sadly thats not the case hence Eriksen

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    5. Supersonic
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      a) Lukaku and mane - replacing Redmond
      Or
      b) Ibra and 7.5 (Lallana?)- replacing lukaku and Redmond -4

      Team is:

      Grant-Pickford
      Clyne-brunt-friend-(Amat-Kingsley)
      Sanchez-siggy-firmino-Redmond-hazard
      Lukaku-Costa-(anichebe)

      Thanks guys

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    6. Professor Abel X
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Play Amat (wba) over Capoue (mci) and Anichebe (CHE)?

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      1. itwaswritten
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Can't see either of those getting more than 2 points.

        Just try your luck.

        xox

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      2. Chris_H
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Could be one of 'those' games where you bench Capoue and he scores.

        I don't see Swans getting 2 CS in a row

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      3. JustPark
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Capoue>Amat>Anichebe

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    7. samaael
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      dropped 1K to 45K in 3 weeks. Jumping of a cliff. Let me what to do

      Heaton
      Stones/ Walker/ Evans
      Firmino/ Hazard/ Redmond/ Sanchez
      Costa/Kane/Defoe

      4.0/De Roon /Morgan/ Amat

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      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Redmond to Zaha.

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        1. Kuqi Monster
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Despite palace's fixtures?

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      2. Slam
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Grab on to a branch

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      3. itwaswritten
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Jump of the cliff that you mentioned.

        xox

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        1. samaael
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          what would you think if there was an genuine update RIP Samaael tomorrow on here?

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          1. itwaswritten
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            Jk.

            Get rid of Redmond.

            xox

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    8. FPL Mentor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Bottomed

      What to do with this liability of a team?

      Heaton Pickford
      Brunt Lovren* PvA Amat Kingsley
      Sanchez Hazard Firmino Siggy Can
      Kane Costa Iheanacho

      0.1m itb

      1FT
      ----------------------
      Defence very shoddy.

      Eyeing up Bailly and Cedric. Gabriel a shout for 4.8?

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      1. itwaswritten
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        L**ren > Cedric

        xox

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      2. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Iheanacho to Carroll and Lovren to Cedric. Looks a decent team to me though - going to be ups and downs.

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    9. how now brown cow
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Any thoughts on Gabriel for the next wee while?

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Other defenders have better fixtures

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        1. how now brown cow
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          At the same price though?

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          1. Ruth_NZ
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            Jones is cheaper isn't he?

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    10. Kuqi Monster
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Who's punting on Carroll then?

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        No sir

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      2. how now brown cow
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        He's an accident waiting to happen.

        Might get a few pts in meantime mind.

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      3. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Me

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    11. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Genuinely don't know what to do with firmino........ He should be doing better 🙁
      Not enough cash for mane and I just don't rate lalana or can in place

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        It's not just the fact he's blanking. He doesn't look even close to scoring, his touch was poor

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        1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Urghh I feel sick

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          1. Chris_H
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            0.5 for Payet? That's what I'm doing I reckon.

            Are you a Pool fan? If we sell and he scores win-win

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    12. Zlatans little helper
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Third consecutive GW with a hit, anyone on board the same ship?

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Yep, it's fun until the gameweek starts

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    13. Hochoki
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      1. is ake a sure starter ??
      2. is okaka a sure starter ??
      3. is there any chance mane getting a ban prior to gw 16 ??

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      1. Slam
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        No
        No
        Yes

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      2. itwaswritten
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Yes
        Yes
        Maybe

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    14. FCSB
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      With teams quite similar at this stage in the season, is a 100 point gap possible to close, that's the gap between myself and my ML leader...?

      Current team:

      Heaton
      Walker Cedric Lovren
      Sanchez Hazard Firmino Can Sigurdsson
      Costa Kane

      Foster McAuley Anichebe Amat

      Any changes suggested?

      Thanks

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      1. diesel001
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Yes - team value will make a difference - the more heavy hitters you can afford the better. Get rid of Lovren though if you can.

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        1. FCSB
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          105.1 TV pretty pleased with that but will continue to build...

          Who do you suggest for Lovren? 5.2m budget

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    15. ZakAFC_
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Anything worth a hit?

      Grant
      Alonso, Cedric, Pieters
      Sanchez, Firmino, Hazard, Redmond
      Kane (c), Costa, Nacho

      Pickford, de Roon, Holebas, Kingsley

      0.8 ITB

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      1. itwaswritten
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Redmond > Antonio

        xox

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        1. ZakAFC_
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Not possible

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    16. joersherman
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      A) Mane & Firmino to Payet & Eriksen/Mihk
      B) just Firmino to Eriksen
      C) Firmino to Payet (need defensive downgrade, not major)

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Keep Mane! B

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    17. RAFA THE GAFFA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Please help 🙂

      Llorente or Carroll???

      Got Siggy though.

      Planning on Firmino > Payet after that!

      Or I can get Origi? But then I need to find 0.3m in a hit for Firmino > Payet!

      This game is hard 🙁 haha

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    18. JAC THE CAT
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Austin needs to be sold tonight.

      A, Origi
      B, Llorente

      Both are punts and not nailed on.

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      1. Flynny
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        In same boat....

        Heading to origi

        Prefer lpool striker to Swansea striker

        What do u reckon

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        1. JAC THE CAT
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          I'm leaning towards Llorente, going to head towards the stats zone now.

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      2. liiusions
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        A, he's nailed for the next few at least

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        1. how now brown cow
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Are you sure? I already own one 'pool disappointment in Firmino.

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          1. liiusions
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 1 month ago

            Yeah, we have no one else to play there. Might get pushed out wide as Firmino is much better in the middle but would be unfair on Origi as he's scored 4 in 4

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        2. JAC THE CAT
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          I think Firmino could be moved back to the false 9

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      3. Stimps
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        B short term imo

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      4. Hurricane Gilbert
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        B is better imo. Origi nailed for the next few bet a transfer out when Cou is back

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    19. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Quite frustrated owning Firmino. The position swap hasn't helped at all. And 2 tough away games whilst Payet/Eriksen have plum home games doesn't help his case. Coutinho could be back quicker than expected though so might be a short term switch.

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      1. Hurricane Gilbert
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah I read somewhere that Cout could be back for the derby. Seems to good to be true?

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        1. Davido989
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Ahead of schedule but not the derby I don't think.

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      2. Ravager
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Yup and noticed today as well that it isn't even just 'LW'. He's dropping deeper than Mane has to as well and tasked with more than he would as a false 9/Coutinho in. Irritating.

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    20. itwaswritten
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      H**ry K*ne will blank next week too and Eriksen & Son will snatch the goals/assists.

      xox

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      1. Hurricane Gilbert
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Foreigners win, right?

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      2. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Overdoing the * and xox

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    21. Stimps
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Who to get rid of first? (0.3m itb)

      A) Firmino
      B) Fuchs
      C) Both for a hit

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      1. liiusions
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        B

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      2. how now brown cow
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        I sold Fuchs for a hit and felt great. Until the Saints teamsheet came out!!

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      3. Ravager
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Fuchs. Always Fuchs.

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      4. dhamphiir
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Fuchs

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      5. JAC THE CAT
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        B

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      6. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        C

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    22. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      On the plus side feels good to have chosen origi at last minute over nacho

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    23. white lightning
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      If Mane is banned as a Firmino owner will this improve his fantasy output i.e. He will take more responsibility, get more ball, provide more attacking chances, get more himself. Thoughts & thanks.

      I've been thinking of selling Firmino but maybe will keep if Mane is suspended if the above pans out.

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      1. Professor Abel X
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Mane won't be suspended so don't worry about it

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    24. Chicken-Mandy
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      do i give firmino one more week or get rid for eriksen/alli/antonio

      Yes origi has scored in both his starts but liverpool have only got 1 point from the 2 games so clearly something isnt working, maybe firmino will be put back in the middle against boro

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    25. camarozz
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Tinkering here...
      Firmino /Austin OUT
      Payet/Llorente IN
      -4
      Kinda like it.

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      1. RAFA THE GAFFA
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Thinking of this exact same move! Or with Carroll as I have Siggy! Tough one!

        Wonder what others think?

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    26. Lyonnais
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      I don't have any Arsenal attackers and can't afford Sanchez unless I sell Hazard (I own Costa aswell).
      Would you sell Firmino for Özil/Walcott to at least have one Arsenal player?

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    27. F4L
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Best 7th attacker:

      A - Nacho
      B - Origi
      C - Antonio?

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    28. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      Ooh won the tie in the FFS Cup 😀

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      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Same, Payet needed 1 more attacking return 🙂

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        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Nice. How many left in the cup now?

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      2. Spectrum-FFS Doubles Champ
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 1 month ago

        Nice one Jazz

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        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 1 month ago

          Cheers mate 🙂

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    29. Jedi_Reed
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 1 month ago

      How did Origi look today? Thinking of swapping him in for Austin, or is that unwise, if he's at risk of being rested on Wed?

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