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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Wtf Pogba

  2. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogba is so selfish

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He's a tad over rated imo.

    2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Classic Pogba

    3. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No idea why he's in so many teams, won't do much

  3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    So wasteful from pogba that

  4. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Poor decision making from Pogba on the counter

  5. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thankfully actual defenders will be in front of DDG in the league.

  6. el polako
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    One day Pogba will score....

  7. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    On a serious note, is Moreno nailed?

    1. Clump
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No.

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Seriously

    3. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Robin, still opting for Kane / Lukaku?

  8. RamaJama
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What do you think of this 433?

    Know Jones and Milner isn't nailed. But if one of them misses out, Carroll or RLC will come in, no crises:

    Foster
    Cedric, Ake, Jones, Milner
    Kdb, Salah, Zaha
    Lukaku, Kane, Gabbiadini

    Subs: Elliot, Carroll, RLC, Rangel

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nice team!similar to mine,maybe Milner to Kolasinac?

      1. RamaJama
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers! Maby, more nailed, but Milner's OOP and pens tempting

  9. Scotty B
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is there a 4m DEF that might play?

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not yet

    2. rdamjan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nah. Long is popular here

      1. el polako
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Isnt Long a direct cover for Mee ?

    3. George Sillett
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No.

    4. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      nope..I getting a 4m defender as pure bench fodder

  10. rdamjan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What a player is Mkhi. Joy to watch

  11. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Crowd is quiet, I guess Daniel hasn't gone to the game

    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      evenin WR nice to see you

      1. The Bandit
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Howdy Col 🙂

  12. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Matic vs Isco is a good battle to watch

  13. judd96
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Kolasinic , otamendi or stones?

    I'm saying this as I would ideally like the price to be 5.5. However who is a nailed started in the city defence. Also city have a nicer run of fixtures to start with..

    Thanks in advance

  14. The Scout
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Firmino + Tammy
    or
    Chicharito + Gabbiadini

  15. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric Daniels (Long)
    KDB Salah Wilian Zaha (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku (4.5)

    vs

    Foster (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Danilo Cedric (Long)
    KDB Wilian Zaha JWP (Carroll)
    Kane Kaku Firmino

    1. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  16. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is Luka out of teams yet?

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looks like a monster up front. Dont think he lost a jump yet and he is against Ramos/Varane.

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He is a beast when he wants to be. The question is whether he'll give a damn to jump on a cold, wet Wednesday night in Stoke?

        1. owls on the up
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          He's not new to the league you know 😉

        2. Banana Shaqiri - HMD, PUP
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Can we put this trope to bed? One of the worst football analogies there is

    2. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      It's funny, I honestly think he'll blank vs WHM...and he's still in my team 😆

      1. Smoky Johnson
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He will, and that's why I am captaining Jesus.

      2. kysersosa
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He has a great record against WH. First time he blanked was last season in a 0-0 thriller. He's el capitan for me.

      3. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        You can't predict with him. He can't change overnight and so he'll blank randomly, but his highs can be insane. Brace and assist, max bones. Got to keep him in.

        1. ★Kuntheman★
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          This 😆

  17. H-SF
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bale burned Lindelof there

  18. Scotty B
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RLC or Romeu & why?

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Why would you want either?

      1. Scotty B
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        To sit on my bench

        1. Yav
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Try Tom Carroll.

          1. Scotty B
            • 14 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Got him already

    2. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      RLC. When called upon Romeu will get you 2-3 points, never more. RLC might get you nothing, but he might get an assist or goal.

  19. Karan_G14
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    United seem to be sticking with 3 at the back!

    Valencia could be a great option!

    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Too expensive

      1. Karan_G14
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He certainly is. But assists/goals potential + CS is very hard to resist.

    2. The Royal Robin
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Is he RWB?

      1. Karan_G14
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yes.

        Lindelof Small Darmian 3 CBs.

        Lingard and Valencia wingbacks.

    3. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Definitely with his fixtures

  20. dvdguy
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Bale essential

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Isco too!

  21. markmcr
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is Holding nailed? Assume him to be because of injuries but just looking advice. Cheers

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No

      1. markmcr
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Damn

    2. The Seagulls and the Trawle…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      At least until Kos comes back. After that he'll have to fight with Mustafi. I think he's better than Mustafi, but will be hard to drop for Wenger.

      1. markmcr
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Was one of their best players towards the end of last season and played decent on Sunday. Not sure who else to get in for him

  22. Scotty B
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Why on earth is Rangel so highly owned? It makes no sense

    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Like most of your posts

      1. Sims
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Lol

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Maybe casuals all assuming he plays?

  23. Jake.l_8
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is it worth getting Jesus or might he not play because of Aguero?

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Pep loves him. He'll play.

      1. Ron_Swanson
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        agreed

    2. Net Gains
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      If anything he loves Jesus more than Aguero

  24. chaboi1998
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Cracked it. G2G

    DDG
    PVA Cedric Kompany Kola
    KDB Willian Eriksen
    Kaku King Firm

    1. chaboi1998
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      PVA to trippier week 2

  25. FDMS All Starz
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Mane & Mounie

    Or

    B) Zaha & Firmino

    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      b

  26. Vman
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Made a few modifications and now I have this team, I think I am happy.

    DDG
    Cedric Kolasinac Francis
    De Bruyne Willian Mkhitaryan Mane
    Jesus Quaner Kane

    Elliot-RLC-Hefele-Rangel

    1. *Reformed-Character*
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Decent but will Quaner play? Also prefer carrol as sub personally

      1. Vman
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        3 goal an assist and 1215 minutes I think I will get some points and it affords me a decent midfield.

    2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      RLC to Carroll? RLC not nailed. Switch Rangel to a lower ownership 4.0 - will avoid price drops

      1. AWPD
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Good point regarding Rangel, who do you reckon as a replacement?

        1. Vman
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Hunemeier

      2. Vman
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah I agree here and have already made that move, Cheers.

    3. KLOPPTOMANIA
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Has Quaner any realistic chance of starting? Good balance of starting XI otherwise

      1. Vman
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thank you for all the replies and advice. It is all appreciated

  27. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Real Madrid just toying with United

    1. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Man Utd are so sad to watch.

    2. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There goes parking the bus....

  28. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    To summarise:

    I hate my team, as well as all my previous versions and also all future versions!

  29. Paganoi
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Isco is so silky on the ball.

  30. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogpoo