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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Couts to Sane worth a -4?
    Think Couts will miss next game as well if he plays today, Sane is just back from rest

    1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Noo

  2. teneighty
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Silva to Pogba for free and hide behind the couch because that would leave me without any City or Silva + Morata to Sterling + Firmino for a hit?

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

  3. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    What will be the spanner in the works this week?

    Jesus playing and scoring a brace, Kane yellow, Salah pings his hammy?

    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Aguero hattie

    2. AnderEstimatedHerrera
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Silva playing instead of Sterling

      1. Fpl Richie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Bloody Nora!

        1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          😀

      2. GE
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        This

    3. Stoic
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Pogba masterclass

    4. AnderEstimatedHerrera
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Kane hattieeeee

  4. Lignja
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Anything to know from UTD press?

    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      valencia out

  5. SirStevieG
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Who to captain?

    A) Sterling
    B) Sane
    C) Hazard
    D) Salah

    1. HamezMace
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I’m on A

    2. Teror
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Sane would be the maverick option

  6. Gentle_Turks
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    G2G? Maybe play Adrian over Pope? Maybe Jones over Crouch?
    Thanks a lot.

    Pope
    Ogbonna Azpi Ota
    Haz Salah Sterling(c) Shaqiri Richarlison
    Kane Crouch

    (Adrian. Jones DCL Mariappa)

    1. RomeluAndJuliet
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I'd play Jones over Crouch, and Pope over Adrian. I don't like doubling up on defenders and Pope could get a lot of save points

      1. Gentle_Turks
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Cheers. I'm thinking the same about double WHU.

  7. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    A. DDG & austin
    B. Adrian & Firmino

  8. RomeluAndJuliet
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Kiko, Richarlison and Morata --> Ogbonna, Sané and Firmino for a -8 ?

    1. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      No don't need the sane one

      1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Logic?

    2. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Is There a problem with Richarlison?

      1. RomeluAndJuliet
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Nah, just tired of Watford

        1. Squashed
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Its a nay

    3. Gentle_Turks
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Only if price changes force your hand.

      Please help above.

  9. irfanm66
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    best united defender to have for the festive period..? want to bring in united defender for monreal....de gea is not an option for me as i fixated on my goalies..

    1. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Mike Smalling or jones

  10. Carcaju
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    G2G?

    DDG - Adrian

    Otamendi - Christensen - Mee - Ogbonna - 3.9

    Salah - Sterling - Hazard - Richarlison - Zaha

    Kane - DCL - Gray/Depoitre (will be benched most of the times)

  11. Teror
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Thinking about doing a 12 point hit after knee jerkedly getting Lukaku in for Kane. Am I over stressing this?

    DDG
    Maguire - Kenny - Ota
    Salah - Sterling - Richarli - Groß - Mahrez
    Lukaku - Morata

    (Speroni - Niasse - Duffy - Tarkowski)

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Log off

  12. davies
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    A) Alonso + RLC

    B) Christensen + Richarlison

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B

    2. HamezMace
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B, assuming it’s a starting midfielder in both scenarios

      1. davies
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Rotating with Austin & DCL

  13. Weeb Kakashi
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Pick one

    A Kane> Kun(C)

    B Hazard > Sane and Captain Kane.

    Had enough patience keeping Kane.
    Will get him back for the dgw.

    Thoughts??

  14. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Either of these worth a hit...
    A) Morata to Kaku (-4) instead of playing RLC.
    B) RLC to Gundo (-4).

    1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Kaku if long-term
      otherwise not worth a hit

  15. Tabbara
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Pogba or Sane for RLC?
    If pogba i can do Kiko to jones next week
    If Sane it would probably be Zanka for Kiko
    Thx

  16. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Gtg and carry free transfer or use in Pope to Adrián based on fixtures?

    Pope
    Otamendi Smalling Alonso
    Hazard Salah (vc) Sterling Richarlison RLC
    Kane Firmino

    Elliot DCL Fernández Kenny

  17. Homo Neanderthalensis
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Conundrum......

    Silva -> Sanè
    -4 points

    Will I gain more than 4 points making that transfer?! I’ve got Kolasinac as first sub (who I don’t think will play) and Mee vs Spurs as second sub.

    Would you pull the trigger?

    1. Homo Neanderthalensis
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Possibly 6 points to make up if Mee gets a measily 2 points for 90mins

      1. Homo Neanderthalensis
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        ....... this would make it a -8 hit for the week.

    2. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Wouldn't

  18. dhamphiir
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Sell one of them for Ogbonna for FT?
    A. Duffy
    B. Kiko
    C. Mee

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B

    2. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Easily B

  19. WE GO FOR IT
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Captain?

    A. Salah
    B. Coutinho
    C. Hazard
    D. Kane
    E. Richarlison

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      D

      1. WE GO FOR IT
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Cheers! 🙂

  20. King Kun Ta
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    G'day!

    Foster
    Ogbonna Otamendi Naughton
    Salah Sterling (C) Richarlison T Carroll Hazard
    RLC Kane (VC)

    Elliot Morata Mee Holgate

    -4 ATM 0.6 ITB

    GTG? Or anything worth an extra hit...?

  21. ezaku
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Ward >
    A. Jones (+.7 ITB)
    B. Smalling (+.7 ITB)
    C. Otamendi

    I have no United or City defensive coverage.

  22. Shineonme
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    would kane to Agureo for one week be madness

  23. FPLtfs
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Gomes
    Alonso, Otamendi, Masuaku, Jones
    Hazard, Pogba, Salah, Richarlison
    Kane, Vardy
    Fabianski, Ogbonna, RLC, Quaner

    Got the bench right?
    And should I do Kane -> Aguero (-4)? Will be -8 in total hits.

  24. My neck my back my Saed Kol…
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    So is silva likely to play?

    1. Netley Lucas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Nah

    2. Homo Neanderthalensis
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      In peps actual words...

      “I don’t know”

  25. Hand of Dog
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    How is this WC team looking? I was thinking I could shift down KDB and Az and get in Kane for the double.

    Pope Adrian
    Otamendi Azpilicueta Jones Ogbonna Christensen
    Coutinho Richarlison Sterling Salah KDB
    Quaneer Rooney Firmino

    0.1 in the bank.

  26. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    First to 5 please...Last WC question?
    A. Otamendi & RLC
    B. Holgate & Richarlison

  27. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Is Kaku over Morata worth it in the long run?

    It would be for a hit this week, and I have Hazard, no United attack. My instinct is that I'd pretty City attackers - but it would take a fair amount of shifting.
    What do we think?

    1. Teror
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      In the long run they'd probably be the same. Morata is cheaper, though. Pogba being back is a good alternative to Kaku

  28. Teror
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    A. Tarkowski > Christenesen

    B. Richarlison > Sane

    C. Morata > Rooney

  29. EmreCan Hustle
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Sane(C) is safe right? Starting-wise? Or go safe with Kane?