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Vote for the best FPL goalkeeper of 2019/20

The Fantasy Football Scout end of season awards have officially been launched with the first poll now available to vote in.

As ever, we begin with the goalkeepers, assessing the key candidates on the strengths of their 2019/20 from a Fantasy Football perspective.

Overall points, price and value in Fantasy Premier League are all factors to consider.

It must be said that the goalkeeper position was a tricky one to navigate once again this season, although for completely different reasons than the previous campaign.

In 2018/19, the high-performing assets were largely more expensive ones from big clubs. But their respective sides, of course, required attention in other positions and most of the budget options proved reliable only for short spells at a time.

Arguably, 2019/20 was the complete opposite. This time around, the expensive premium options failed to provide the usual level of consistent returns allowing some of the cheaper mid-price assets to assume ‘set-and-forget’ status. Although, even then, it was a somewhat underwhelming year for goalkeepers in the £4.5m price bracket…

2018/19 Team of the Season Review – Goalkeeper

  • Goalkeeper: Alisson
  • Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold, Andrew Robertson, Matt Doherty
  • Midfielders: Sadio Mané, Mohamed Salah, Raheem Sterling, Ryan Fraser, Eden Hazard
  • Forwards: Raúl Jiménez, Sergio Aguero
→ Which team has allowed the fewest number of big chances this season (41)?

After securing a place in the 2018/19 Team of the Season, Alisson did not have the best follow-up campaign.

2019/20 began in the worst way possible for Liverpool’s goalkeeper, as he picked up an injury just 38 minutes into the Gameweek 1 win over Norwich City.

Even though that unlocked Adrian as a £4.5m option in the Reds’ defence, they still only kept two clean sheets from a possible nine before Alisson’s return.

And even the Brazilian’s comeback did not help stop the rot at the back as Jurgen Klopp’s men struggled to match the defensive heights of 2018/19, ironic considering they ended up winning the league this year.

After collecting 21 clean sheets during his first campaign in English football, it took Alisson until Gameweek 16 to secure one in 2019/20. With issues elsewhere in the defence, despite a return from injury in Gameweek 9, he went another seven matches before earning that all-important shut-out.

In the end, Alisson did manage to get a total of 13 but, as is to be expected with a big club, he could only supplement this with 58 saves.

Therefore, it was a score of just 122 points this season, 54 fewer than the year before. It also made for an inferior points-per-game total, Alisson averaging 4.2 in 2019/20 compared to 4.6 in 2018/19.

2019/20 CANDIDATES

DEAN HENDERSON

It was quite the debut campaign in the Premier League for Dean Henderson, whose total of 160 points was the second-highest among goalkeepers, making him a rare shining light among a drab £4.5m bracket.

With four double-figure hauls between Gameweeks 18 and 30+, that impressive overall score came from a total of 13 clean sheets, an impressive tally for a newly-promoted shot-stopper, as well as 16 bonus points and 97 saves.

Those additionals carried mixed value for Fantasy managers. While the 16 from bonus was the third-best in the division, eight different shot-stoppers produced more stops than Henderson.

It is that fact that probably denied the Sheffield United man the prize of highest-scoring FPL goalkeeper, but Fantasy managers should consider the quality of saves Henderson made this season, especially as he could be fighting for starts at Manchester United in 2020/21.

Across the course of this season, the Blades’ goalkeeper recorded an xG Prevented score of +8.30, behind only Hugo Lloris (+9.50). That means the saves he did make were mostly from very high-quality chances. Combining that with Manchester United’s 36 goals conceded in 2019/20 (third-best) could be a powerful pairing next year.

RUI PATRÍCIO

2019/20 was a season of improvement for Wolves’ defence, which was good for the roughly 10% of managers who backed Rui Patrício.

During their debut Premier League campaign, Nuno Espirito Santo’s men were certainly adept at keeping things tight at the back but they often struggled to convert this into clean sheets.

With just eight shut-outs in 2018/19, Wolves’ second season in the top-flight saw a continuation of astute defensive play but, largely thanks to Willy Boly’s return from injury, there was a much more mature approach to closing this out into clean sheets.

It was 13 of these, in the end, of Patrício, the joint-third-best in the Premier League.

That was enough for 153 points across the campaign, the fourth-highest among goalkeepers.

However, what hindered the Portuguese international from taking his Fantasy value to the next level, perhaps combined with his starting price of £5.0m, was the lack of additionals.

With Wolves playing a style of football that largely protects the goalkeeper, he managed only 90 saves and eight points from bonus.

NICK POPE

Even though he missed out on a share of the Golden Glove, 2019/20 was still an incredible campaign for Nick Pope, the only other £4.5m option to offer real prolonged value across the season.

16 clean sheets for Burnley, the club’s highest ever tally in a top-flight season and second only to Ederson this year, was the lynch-pin of Pope’s 170-point score, his best-ever.

But it was the additionals that made the difference for the Clarets’ rapidly improving shot-stopper.

His 120 saves was the fourth-highest in the division while nobody in the same position came close to matching his 23 bonus points.

Pope really does offer the complete package for goalkeepers. Some offer clean sheets without much prospect for saves or bonus, while others can secure those additionals on account of facing more shots but, inevitably, this means fewer shut-outs.

With Burnley’s style of play, which does allow plenty of attempts on goal to their opponents, helps Pope register saves and bonus, but because they are good at limiting these shots to outside of the box, the clean sheets are also much more achievable.

The question now is whether or not this will still constitute value for money in 2020/21 when Pope is likely to be as expensive as £5.5m.

AARON RAMSDALE

While not hitting the dizzy heights of Pope and Henderson, there was something on offer from £4.5m option Aaron Ramsdale for spells in 2019/20.

A total score of 126 points across the campaign does not look too special on the surface but it was good enough to finish in the top-five for the Value (Season) statistic on the official FPL site, working out at 28.6 points per million spent.

Bournemouth’s perennially porous defence allowed Ramsdale to rack up 128 saves, more than Pope and behind only Martin Dúbravka and Tim Krul in the overall standings.

The autumn was when Bournemouth’s goalkeeper was the most popular. Between Gameweeks 6 and 12, the Cherries kept three clean sheets and Ramsdale scored 41 points across the seven matches.

Averaging 5.9 points per game during this period, he also added an assist into the mix, one of just three goalkeepers to register one in 2019/20.

Ramsdale’s efforts have been good enough to earn transfer rumours of a purported move to stay in the Premier League despite Bournemouth’s relegation. Depending on what the future holds for him, Fantasy managers would do well to keep an eye on him moving forward…

MAT RYAN

It was another solid if not spectacular year for Mat Ryan, who was somewhat overshadowed in the £4.5m bracket by Pope and Henderson.

135 points was only just good enough for the top 10 among goalkeepers, and lower than his personal best of 146 during his debut campaign, but there was still something on offer for his 11.5% ownership.

Allowing greater spending elsewhere, the Brighton goalkeeper finished in the top five for points per million spent, his score of 28.7 beaten only by Patrício, Henderson and Pope.

It was also a top-five finish for Ryan’s total of 117 saves and 14 bonus. It was perhaps clean sheets where he came up short compared to the high-performers, with a total of just nine.

However, there is potentially a lot to like about the Australian for 2020/21, who might just be able to stay in the £4.5m bracket for a fourth successive season. If he can sustain his level of saves and bonus with greater conversion rate on the clean sheets could come a landmark season for Ryan.

KASPER SCHMEICHEL

Despite the disappointing finish to the campaign for Leicester City, Kasper Schmeichel was an important Fantasy asset during the first half.

In the first 15 Gameweeks of 2019/20, the Foxes’ shot-stopper produced seven clean sheets, two more than any other during that period. At the end of the campaign, his total of 13 was the third-best in the division.

Eventually, both Pope and Henderson overtook his season score and Schmeichel ended up finishing in third-place among goalkeepers, 156 points his best-ever FPL return.

His starting price of £5.0m and the cheaper option of Caglar Soyuncu in the same defence did stop the former Manchester City man from ever soaking up humongous levels of ownership but for a prolonged period he was one of the most reliable goalkeepers of 2019/20.

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1,372 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Pedersen
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Did anyone else get a mail saying their subscription have ended despite having already paid for a year more and still have access to everything?

    1. Jurgener kopit
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      No.I have just renewed mine ok without any problems.

    2. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      I renewed yesterday. Still ok even though I had the email.

    3. cravencottage
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      yes - same with me

    4. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      i got the same message, however when i checked my profile it stated i was paid thru July 2021.

    5. General_Zod
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Nope, just renewed now. All seems in order.

  2. wulfranian
    • 3 Years
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Prediction for Cardiff-Fulham?Hoping for a 3-3.

  3. FOO FIGHTER
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Continued from previous page

    @Teror

    Not many players get 32 goals in a season, especially their debut season. His first season for LFC was increadible. Record points for an FPL player 303.

    Followed by 259, 233 and 233.

    How can that be in decline?

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      Re Salah...

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      I think his price will come down to 12

      Kdb 12.5

      Mane to stay at 11.5

      Sterling / martial / auba 11

      Vardy will still be cheaper

      Salah is however becoming less clinical imo

      1. Tinkermania
        15 days, 18 hours ago

        Sterling will be higher. He has had a poor season by his standards. I expect he will be lethal next season.

      2. Forever In Our Shadow
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        I think Salah tries too hard to be clever. If he just lashed it like he did in his first season he would be great again.

    3. The Cisco Kid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      32 goals as opposed to 22 and 19 is certainly the outlier; whether or not that’s decline is another matter. Consider that this past season he played 350 minutes fewer than 18-19 (2879 v 3254), I think that just about accounts for the scoring difference in the past two seasons. At 12.0-12.5, I think he remains an appropriately priced premium option who, injury aside, is as likely as anyone to hit 20 goals next season.

    4. Teror
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      It's decline because he gets less points with every season. That is what decline means after all.

      Not saying he's not one of the best players in the world but he does appear to be in decline.

  4. Berbs
    • 9 Years
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Alex Ferguson announces Jurgen Klopp as LMA Manager of the Year.

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      He he

  5. Siva Mohan - Make more gree…
    • 8 Years
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Adam Lallana is due to have his medical at Brighton today ahead of signing his three year contract.

    1. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Depending on his price, he might be a good enabler next season.

      1. SHOOTER MCGINN
        • 5 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Interested at 4.5

        1. Forever In Our Shadow
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Even at 5.0. Likely be 6-6.5.

  6. Is Salah in decline?
    FOO FIGHTER
    15 days, 18 hours ago

    Sterling since joining City points each season

    96 149 229 234 204 and 204

    And some on here suggest Salah is in decline LOL

    How many players have scored 32 EPL goals in thier debut season and averaged 20 the folliwing 3?

    Salah in decline my behind.

    1. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      Salah on more penalties this season than in prior years. So arguably his open play output is in decline (from a FPL perspective). Whether you think the penalties is enough to make up for the decline is another question.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 18 hours ago

        So lets take away all the penalties Bruno scored and all the other players as well.

        How many penalties did Salah score this season?

        1. diesel001
          • 3 Years
          15 days, 18 hours ago

          Yes, you should take away Bruno's penalties and everyone else's. Then normalise by adding how many penalties you expect each of them (given the teams they play for) to get on average. That will give you a much better idea of 'value' in FPL once you factor in price.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            15 days, 18 hours ago

            So how many penalties did Salah score this season?

            1. diesel001
              • 3 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              In the PL I have:

              1 in 2017/18
              3 in 2018/19
              3 in 2019/20

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                3 penalties boo hoo.

                Aguero scored 2. Rashford 6. Jimenez 4 I think and so on.

                Aguero missed 2 if I can recall.

                Why make things complicated?

                1. Eat my goal!
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 1 Year
                  15 days, 17 hours ago

                  To judge whether a player is in decline you can only compare him against his prior form

                  The fact that his reduced goal tally in the last couple of years is support by more pens only further suggests that he is not as effective in open play

                2. diesel001
                  • 3 Years
                  15 days, 17 hours ago

                  It really isn't that complicated. His FPL returns are clearly in decline. If they weren't in decline his points would be staying the same or going up.

                  Given he has broadly similar penalties over the last two seasons, then it must be his open play returns that are declining.

                  Given his open play returns are showing a declining trend and if he is priced at £12.5m then you need to consider, (i) whether his open play returns will increase and/or (ii) whether he will get penalty increases, which will mean he will reverse the decline in his FPL points.

        2. Tinkermania
          15 days, 18 hours ago

          Bruno would be 6.5million without penalties.

          1. diesel001
            • 3 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            So now the question is, how many penalties do you think Man Utd will get in the PL and how many will Fernandes convert?

            E.g. 10 penalties, converts 9 of them.

            1. Tinkermania
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              He will miss before he gets to 10 and probably lose the responsibility.

              1. baps sniffer
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                U serious?!? 😉

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                I don’t know what this thread has become

                A showcase for organised clownery

    2. Tinkermania
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      Not in decline. Sometimes other people chip in more as happened this season. He could easily get 30 again.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 18 hours ago

        Yep

    3. Long ago I drew a walrus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 18 hours ago

      Well he is on the decline though. 32 goals followed by 22 followed by 19. That's the definition of a decline. Don't try and sneakily equate decline to bad option.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 18 hours ago

        I do not see how you can look at yhat as decline.

        How many players score 32 League goals each season, hhhmmm???

        1. Long ago I drew a walrus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word decline. Salah's returns have been diminishing hence he's on the decline. It's really quite simple. Messi and Ronaldo have been on the decline for years and would still trump any FPL assets we have right now. Just because Salah started off with the greatest season ever doesn't mean he can't decline, if anything it makes declining more likely because standards are higher.

          1. Teror
            • 5 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Thank you for stating the obvious for me. The willful ignorance of this user is astounding.

          2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            A hundred times this

          3. FOO FIGHTER
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Well let's see whether Salah scores the same amount of points or more next season comppared to his last two seasons.

            He also missed 3 games this season. I gues an extra 20 points from those 3 games and would make this conversation even more silly won't it.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 10 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              He’s gotten 47 points since GW25 in games where Mane has started with him (84 points in total)

              Bruno has managed 117 points in that same time period

              That’s not an inconsequential gap

            2. Long ago I drew a walrus
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              No, it won't.

              1. Salah's returns have been in decline - 303 to 259 to 233 is a decline by the dictionary definition of the word.

              2. Salah's returns next season have no bearing on the fact that at this moment in time, his returns have been in decline. Again, by the dictionary definition of the word.

              3. Salah being in decline doesn't necessarily have a bearing on his returns next season. He may well return with a bang and it won't prove anything. But it is perhaps more likely that his returns continue to diminish - whether that's true or not depends on other factors.

              4. Players are more likely to miss games as they get older and this applies to everyone. KDB also missed a number of games this season through injury and rotation. He could have hit 300 otherwise. He didn't though so people don't mention it.

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                15 days, 14 hours ago

                1st season 17/18. Started. 36 matches played.
                2905 minutes, 32 goals, 12 FPL assists. 26 Bonus points. 303 points total. FPL points record holder. Fair to say even Aguero will struggle to reach this.

                2nd season 18/19. 38 matches played.
                3254 minutes, 22 goals, 12 FPL assists. 18 Bonus points. 259 points total. Finished highest scorer again. Absolute beast.

                3rd season 19/20. 34 Matches played.
                19 goals, 10 FPL assists, 26 Bonus points. 233 points total. Remains a beast.

                FPL, real EPL or whatever, you cannot base his total scores on decline when he is still performing each season.

                He has scored 3 less compared to 18/19 and has 2 less FPL assists this season having played 375 minutes less this season. That adds up tò 4 matches less. With a points per game of 6.9, would you bet against Salah not having a bigger or same score this season 4 matches down compared to 18/19?

                His first season was simply incredible and again, Aguero will struggle to match it 🙂 so it is ironic that many having comented here want to hang onto his 1st season's points tally.

      2. coltan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        6 days, 1 hour ago

        between the last year and this one, if you take into account minutes played there is not much difference.

    4. Teror
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Both Salah and Sterling can be in decline at the same time.

    5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      How do Sterling’s scores in any way, shape or form change the fact that:

      - Salah’s first season score was 300 points
      - This declined to 260 points in his second season
      - And declined AGAIN to 230 points this season

      ??

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Did you expect Salah to score 32 goals in each of his seasons with LFC?

        1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 10 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          So have we addressed the question of the decline first, before opening any further threads on this?

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Lets do this

            259 233 and this season 233 again

            I would call that consistently good from the record holder of points in a season. Not decline.

            1. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 1 Year
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              Probably struggle to make 200 next season

            2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 10 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              He only has one 233 - that’s this season

              You’re double counting this season because FPL have already added the scores at the bottom of the player histories

              Is that the problem here?

              Tell me that’s the problem here & you now see the decline in his points!

              1. FOO FIGHTER
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                Sorry, was looking at points scored and points table and added to the year totals. My bad.

                All players are in and out of decline then.

                Salah could have easily scored a hattie on the final day if Klopp started him.

                All ifs and buts. Missed 3 matches this season as well.

                You need to take all that into account.

                7.1 points per game 18/19

                6.9 points per match this season

                Look at the bigger picture.

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  15 days, 17 hours ago

                  “ All players are in and out of decline then”

                  Exactly - but not at the same time is the key thing

                  I.e. a player’s output can’t be simultaneously declining AND improving - it has to be one or the other (unless the unlikely event of scoring exactly the same amount in consecutive seasons)

            3. Zim0
              • 2 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              There was no 233 again. He's been here for 3 seasons. Stop saying that again and again.

            4. Eat my goal!
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 1 Year
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              You do realise you’re counting the same season twice, right?!

            5. El Fenomeno R9
              • 4 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              Ignore them,233 last season and 233 this season while 0.5 cheaper is improvement not decline

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                Errr... he didn’t get 233 last season - he got 259 last season, and 300 in his first season

                There is only one 233...

                1. El Fenomeno R9
                  • 4 Years
                  15 days, 17 hours ago

                  ...dont chase my fishes...see i am fishing

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 10 Years
                    15 days, 17 hours ago

                    This thread has jumped the shark 🙂

                2. FOO FIGHTER
                  15 days, 17 hours ago

                  Se my latest reply. It was a joke/banter 😀

            6. Karan14
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 4 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              That's incorrect. He's only had 3 seasons 303, 259, 233.

              He is in decline compared to his last 2 seasons. His assists & goals have dropped every season. Obviously he could come back strong but at 12.5m it might be tough to justify with so many premiums around.

        2. mynameisq
          • 6 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          I mean it's literally a decline in points, nobody is saying he's a bad player

        3. Sanchit
          • 5 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          If a player scores 60 goals in a season.
          The next season he scores 50
          And next he scores 40.

          Definetely on a decline, at the same time it does not mean he's a bad option at all.

          Would you say he is declining or not?
          Google the definition of the word Decline please.

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Hang on a second, do you expect a player to score 60 goals every season?!

            How can he be in decline!

            *facepalm*

            1. Long ago I drew a walrus
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 9 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              Jokes aside MBP, with the standard of this thread people will take your comment literally

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                Hulk this and just call it “Is Salah in decline?” to really get it going lol

                1. Long ago I drew a walrus
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  15 days, 15 hours ago

                  I thought you were joking. They actually hulked this. My brain usage in decline...

                  Anyways I've just noticed you don't have the member's icon any more MBP? Thought you were a mod?

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 10 Years
                    15 days, 6 hours ago

                    My membership must have just expired today then... need to renew!

                    But no, I'm not a mod - not last time i checked anyway - that thought would be quite worrying for quite a few folks I'd imagine 🙂

    6. KAPTAIN KANE
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      It’s Salah’s bonus that’s in decline

      1. Pasqualinho
        • 11 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        I think it's this thread that's in decline.

        1. baps sniffer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          How low can it decline? 😉 Mods are not banning anyone, yet...

      2. Munchen KFC
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Both players priced at £12.0m next year. If you had to pick a team,no transfers allowed,would you choose Salah or Dr Bruyne.

        1. baps sniffer
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Easy KdB

        2. diesel001
          • 3 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          KDB.

          1) Will be better without Silva as he will take on more attacking responsibility and free kicks
          2) Potentially on more penalties than this season

        3. El Fenomeno R9
          • 4 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Both

    7. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Salah

      7.1 points per game 18/19

      6.9 points per game this season

      What a decline lol

      #FPLKing

      1. El Fenomeno R9
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Wrong,6.9 last two seasons

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          18/19: 3254 minutes played, 233 points

          19/20: 2879 minutes played, 233 points.

          Scored the same amout of points this season in less minutes compared to last.

          Decline decline yadda yadda

          1. Zim0
            • 2 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Are u back on with the same points? But u just said u realized u were looking at it twice. I don't understand

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              It was a joke :-O

      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 10 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        This is better - and always a more effective metric for comparison than simple points

        Can you share your workings please so we can critique & understand

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          See above.

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            But he got 259 points last year though - presume that’s just a typo above?

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              OMG, people take life to seriuosly lol.

        2. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Ha ha see what I did there lol.

          Ok jokes aside, less points does not mean decline.

          More minutes in 18/19 less minutes this season.

          1. Eat my goal!
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 1 Year
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Take the minutes divide by minutes per game (90) = games played

            Take the points and divide by games played = ppg

          2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            So his points are in decline from 300 > 260 > 230...

            But his PP90 isn’t as impacted at 9.38 > 7.11 > 7.28?

            I could live with that as a statement for sure

            Still wouldn’t really encourage me on a 12.5m asset who’s scored 84 points in the last 14 weeks though when Bruno has lifted 117 and KDB has almost broken a ton as well....

            Lots of competition out there for Shares of that 100.0...

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              And you think Bruno is going to keep up his points per game next season? Would be incredible if he did but can't see it tbf.

              Would therefore see him in decline 😉

              1. Zim0
                • 2 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                But he's not going to be priced at 12.5

                1. FOO FIGHTER
                  15 days, 16 hours ago

                  How do you know what Bruno is going to be priced at 8.4 points per match?

                  If anything Towers probably now realise he was underpriced at 8.0

                  I will still pick Salah over Fernandes. If he keeps up with his current points per match then obviously could sway my mind.

                  Bruno will probably be between 11 and 12.0

                  Take your pick

                  1. Zim0
                    • 2 Years
                    15 days, 16 hours ago

                    Don't think 14 games points to a 4m increase in price

                    1. FOO FIGHTER
                      15 days, 16 hours ago

                      Well we wait in anticipation.

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                15 days, 17 hours ago

                If he kept up his scoring rate he’d end up with 320 points on a 38 game season

                So - no he won’t do that

                But he can afford to regress by 20-25% and still score more than Salah did this year, while costing less into the bargain

                And if he only regresses 15%... or 10%... or 5%....

                And all that assumes Salah *doesnt* continue to decline

                1. FOO FIGHTER
                  15 days, 16 hours ago

                  How much will Bruno be next season?

                  UTD like having purple patches as well under Ole...

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 10 Years
                    15 days, 16 hours ago

                    Pogba survived with an 8.5 from his purple patch with pens, DFK’s and a better career minutes per G/A than Lampard

                    My guess is 10.0-10.5 with the really big hike to proper premium 11.5-12.0 for the season after

                    1. Goonsquad245
                      • 4 Years
                      15 days, 16 hours ago

                      He’s an auto buy at 10m (I agree with your assessment by the way)

                    2. Zim0
                      • 2 Years
                      15 days, 16 hours ago

                      I agree

                    3. FOO FIGHTER
                      15 days, 16 hours ago

                      If he is at 10.0 I will try fit him in with Salah and KDB 😉

                      1. Goonsquad245
                        • 4 Years
                        15 days, 16 hours ago

                        Thinking the exact same - plenty had Salah, Sterling, KDB at the start of this season for a combined 34m....

                      2. FOO FIGHTER
                        15 days, 16 hours ago

                        I started with Sterling and Salah in GW1.

                        GW3 I brought in KDB into the same midfield but he was under 10.0 lol.

                        Think picking your midfield next season is not as easy as KDB Salah and Fernandes next season..

                        But Salah KDB and (TAA pending £) all three in first.

          3. Zim0
            • 2 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            But who's to say he'll play those minutes next season? He could be further rotated

            1. FOO FIGHTER
              15 days, 16 hours ago

              Minamino not going to start ahead of Salah when LFC will be defending their title. Neither will Origi.

    8. KAPTAIN KANE
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Posted this on another Salah on another Salah in decline post, so thought I’d share my 2 pence for what it is worth:

      I think we should ignore his first freak season for comparatives. That performance of sheer points will probably never be matched by anyone again.
      He was an unknown quality and flourished as a result, plus Mane hadn’t quite hit his potential in the red kit either.

      He is still in decline however definitely, mainly due to Mane scoring a lot, he seems more wasteful and linked to this his bonus potential has suffered.

      I don’t know the stats but I do feel he’s getting a similar number of chances.

      His price next season will be interesting, specifically compared to Mane’s.

      1. king_jackson
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        You cant ignore a 38 game season for comparisons sake!@

        1. KAPTAIN KANE
          • 3 Years
          15 days, 14 hours ago

          It’s such an outlier though. Like I say he or I doubt anyone else will achieve that for a very long time

    9. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      It's not decline. It's proligacy. He was really deadly in his first season when really, he's not a particularly lethal finisher.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        He just likes to take alot of shots, more than most.

        No player will finish all their chances, that is the way it goes. 73 goals in 3 seasons is as lethal as you can get.

        1. Camzy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          He's a fantastic player and he gets the most chances of any player because he's so good at exploiting space, being fast, dribbling etc. But he's statistically a poor finisher. Of the chances that fall to him, he does not fulfill its xG That's what I mean by he's not 'lethal'.

          1. Goonsquad245
            • 4 Years
            15 days, 16 hours ago

            He’s not statistically a poor finisher though.

      2. El Fenomeno R9
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Agree very strange style,hes more pushing the ball than shooting.
        He gets in good positions and is strong hope he can improve shooting.

      3. mynameisq
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        So his finishing ability is in decline? And his points are in decline too

    10. Whiskerz
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      This is very entertaining.

    11. Goonsquad245
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      I’m really, really hoping this narrative results in Salah being a reasonable differential at least for the start of next season

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • 5 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        He'll be second, or third most owned player when game starts. Bruno the first I guess.

    12. ElliotJHP
      • 8 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      He's 28 until he's 29

    13. Hot Toddy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Never fails to baffle me how unimportant topics can get so wildly out of control on this forum. If you like him as a pick, pick him. If not, don't. Is this really worthy of hours on end back and forth? Madness 😀

      1. mynameisq
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        Hot Toddy in decline

        1. king_jackson
          • 6 Years
          15 days, 15 hours ago

          Everyone's will to live is in decline!

        2. Hot Toddy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          15 days, 5 hours ago

          🙁

        3. The Mighty One
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          15 days, 1 hour ago

          Dude this was a hilarious comment. Made me LOL.

    14. Brosstan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      How is this hulked? I doubt Foo Fighter even knows what "in decline" means as his own stats clearly show Salah has had a decline...

      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        It's clearly a "hot topic" given the length and depth of the conversation.

        I think you're wrongly equating hulking as some sort of badge of honour. It's merely a signpost for users to go back and read through the hottest topics.

    15. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      What was the original post in response to?

    16. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      What on earth are all these replies

      Salahs stats are declining year on year

      But...His stats are still incredible and he remains an excellent FPL option

      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        It's a literal statistical decline, sure, but given there's only 3 data points you could easily account that to random variance. I would not be surprised if he passed 250 again next season. So yes a literal decline, but decline as an FPL asset? Not convinced.

        I doubt the 303 will ever be beaten though, that was freakish...

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 14 hours ago

          Not even Aguero will manage 303 points. But people want to believe Salah is in decline?

          Salah is still performing at the standard points per game wise when comparing his 2nd and 3rd season having played 4 matches less this season.

          He is in my team start of next season hands down, especially when LFC will be defending their title!

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 1 hour ago

            Just pray you never have to do a captcha that asks to "click on the numbers that are declining"

            Something tells me you won't get let into the site 🙂

    17. The Train Driver
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 14 hours ago

      My mood was in decline, until I read this post...

      1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
        • 11 Years
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        Oh my

      2. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        😀

    18. P-h-o-e-n-i-x
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 10 hours ago

      I just woke up to see this Hot Topic. Also skimmed through some comments. I think I will eat some popcorn in breakfast while I read through this.

      1. Mac90
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 10 hours ago

        Thiss

    19. Baines on Toast...
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 6 hours ago

      Why is a post like this a HT?

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 10 Years
        15 days, 6 hours ago

        In fairness, it has generated over a hundred replies in a short space of time - that's probably an indication that it's a fairly hot topic

      2. Rolls-Royce
        • 6 Years
        15 days, 5 hours ago

        Because it is comedy gold.

    20. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 4 hours ago

      The state of this thread

    21. NABIL - 1 season 1der
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 4 hours ago

      Statistically yes.. but who cares? We're not in statistics class.

    22. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 1 hour ago

      Still going!

      This thread will run & run 🙂

    23. Alberto Tomba
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 1 hour ago

      As a massive Reds fan I feel Salah under performed from an FPL perspective this year to give his all to a team effort to win the PL. Next year I suspect he'll want the Golden boot back.

    24. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 54 mins ago

      One of the highlights of this thread (and there are many) is that - at no point did it seem coincidental that both Sterling (with 204) & Salah (with 233) had achieved exactly the same FPL points in back to back seasons...

      Surely some sort of alarm bells were ringing there Foo Fighter! 🙂

    25. The Train Driver
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      14 days, 19 hours ago

      Is there a post of the season reward?

  7. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
    • 3 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    Anyone watch Cardiff Fulham ? How come Mitrovic not in squad ?

    1. Bada Bing
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      I was wondering the same.

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Injury

      1. Captain Kakaroto (I blame R…
        • 3 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Cheers mate

    3. Lord - Blaming it on Rio
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Expected to be OK for the 2nd leg, not that he’s needed now.

  8. Teror
    • 5 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    I think Cardiff will be promoted to the PL. V. defensive, scrappy team. Could be a good goalkeeper option next season.

    1. wulfranian
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      I want to see Brentford in the PL and i think they deserve it.A really good attacking team.

  9. Revival
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    Is 161 points total from goalkeepers good?

    I only used a playing keeper with a 3.9m sub all season so no rotation.

    1. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      173 and a few changes

      So yeah that’s pretty awesome imo

    2. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Good, but you would have been better just getting Pope or Henderson this season and sticking.

      1. Revival
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Yeah Pope got 170 and say a 6 pointer from a bench boost keeper puts the max at 176. I used to always pick the wrong keeper in a rotation pair so happy to just stick with 1 keeper next season.

    3. Karan14
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Yes I would think so.

      I used a 4.5GK all season and got 153 points. That's about 4 PPG which is great for a 4.5m asset.

    4. baps sniffer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      177 here, but needed two for bb and had also Martinez after Leno injury.

  10. Scratch
    • 11 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    So I lost my ML being equal on points with 1st place because I made more transfers. But over a third of those transfers counted were from the transfer amnesty prior to GW30... hardly seems fair to count those

    1. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      You knew the rules though. And if you didn't then you can blame yourself for your lack of knowledge.

      1. Flaming Flamingo
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        Hard disagree. It's like the equivalent of counting your transfers used before the season starts.

        1. Scratch
          • 11 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Exactly, or like counting the total transfers the week you play your wildcards.

          1. Flaming Flamingo
            • 4 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Giving unlimited "free" transfers when PL returned was stupid as it was, but it's even worse when you consider they weren't free at all. It's very misleading to label it as such when you essentially lose places for each one you use.

    2. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      I agree it's harsh that they have counted those, given that everyone had unlimited transfers for GW30+

  11. COK3Y5MURF
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    The reasons Salah's points have declined are...

    A. His debut season was his purple patch. It was the only season where he was a clinical finisher. He has since been a wasteful, below-average finisher much like Sterling, so he's not scoring as many as he should be with the number of chances he gets. He has scored 19 goals this season with an xG of 20.66 which, by definition, makes him a below-average finisher. So don't be surprised every time he misses chances because that's what he does.

    B. Mane has closed the gap and is sharing the points. Mane, on the other hand, is way more clinical than Salah. 18 goals with an xG of 14.58. No, this does not mean he has overperformed, this is a pattern you see with all clinical finishers. Check Auba's, Ings', Vardy's, and you'll find the same thing. Expect this to continue. Also, Mane's points per minute this season is 0.8 which is exactly the same as Salah's. If Mane had played the same minutes as Salah, he would've probably finished at around the same points. So even with Salah's penalty advantage, the gap has been closed and there is little to separate the two. There won't be more than a 0.5 difference in price between them next season.

    1. Make America Greta Again
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Liverpool scoring 15 to 20 goals less per season than Man City makes Kdb a better value pick/captain than Salah imo.

      1. COK3Y5MURF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        15 days, 17 hours ago

        I don't know about that because KDB will be 12m next season. He hit 251 points this time, but his second-highest is only 209. Man City is a minefield and the points are so spread out between so many of their attackers (look at KDB's returns recently before GW38). So we might look to his cheaper alternatives like Mahrez and Jesus who will be 9m-ish.

        While Salah has declined, he remains the "safest" pick to start every season with.

        1. Camzy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          Injuries for KdB. He will deliver 200+ if he plays similar minutes again.

          1. COK3Y5MURF
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            200+ is not worth 12m though. For 12m, you'd want 230+ at least.

            1. baps sniffer
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 2 Years
              15 days, 17 hours ago

              You don't have to own him all the time.

            2. Camzy
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 10 Years
              15 days, 16 hours ago

              200+ doesn't mean he can't score 230+ either. And you're also forgetting his new penalty duty. He didn't get penalties until more than halfway through the season.

        2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 10 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          The only thing is, when you watch KDB you see the most talented kid in the playground - a player so head & shoulders above the pack that the game is just too easy for him

          You don’t really see that (as much) with Salah imo

          KDB didn’t start 6 games this season, and only got to take 3 pens - Dilva will no longer be there to share DFK’s either

          Honestly think KDB’s just getting started & a future Ballon d’Or winner, wouldn’t surprise me to see him get a 20 goal/20 assist season to be honest - he’s just that good

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            *2 pens!

          2. COK3Y5MURF
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            15 days, 17 hours ago

            Can't argue with that. It's like watching an alien play.

            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
              • 10 Years
              15 days, 16 hours ago

              Absolute Godlike ability - just got to enjoy watching him now for as long as possible

          3. Sgt Frank Drebin
            • 3 Years
            15 days, 16 hours ago

            Salah and Mane benefit a lot from the tactical set up where the emphasis is on the wingers to score goals and not the central striker. Imho in some other team they wouldn't hit such great numbers.

            1. Sgt Frank Drebin
              • 3 Years
              15 days, 16 hours ago

              And KDB is just so great... I think this is my favourite player currently and will be for a long time. He always make such good decisions on the pitch, I feel like he always makes the best one possible. I just love watch him play

        3. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          15 days, 17 hours ago

          If DeBruyne retains penalty duties then he can go higher

    2. baps sniffer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Imo he has been more selfish and not assisting Mane enough.

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Foo Fighter in 3.... 2... 1....

    4. Goonsquad245
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Fun fact - this is Salah’s first proper season where he’s underperformed xG.

      Aubameyang has also (slightly) underperformed xG throughout his career (this season was his only one at Arsenal where he’s overperformed it)

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Nice

  12. Trophé Mourinho
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 1 Year
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    The discussions around early team leaks are so ridiculous.

    Leaking early team news it not allowed, the individuals who do it would lose their jobs if found out. Early team news is an unfair and taking advantage of it is bad smortsmanship at best and cheating at worst.

    People in other time zones or people who have commitments cant access this info, it doesnt matter if its on twitter, not everyone can access this info at that specific time.

    The only fair thing to do is to move the deadline two hours before.

    Even the scoutcast doesnt grasp this, probably because they all want early team news to beneift themselves.
    Joe has some common sense at least and raises the point about people in other time zones who cant access it. But his answer to that is if they cared they should stay up late or wake up for it - LOL
    Joes second solution is remove the deadline altogether and allow changes right up to the games. What backwards logic is this? Makes the bench totally irrelvant if you know who starts every week

    Any one with any morals deep down knows its wrong, and frankly im disappointed in FFS for condoning and endorsing it.

    1. Flaming Flamingo
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      It absolutely should be 2 hours before. What if someone is working and can't see the leaks? It provides an unnecessary advantage and moving the deadline forwards should be an easy fix.

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Send your comments to FPL

    3. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      FFS is a business. As a business they will support anything that helps them generate more income (e.g. more site traffic from early team news / leaks) as long as it isn't illegal or considered immoral (note that what is considered immoral changes over time).

      As I said before, throughout history, businesses have tried to push the boat out with innovation, and then the public realise it goes too far and want it clamped down on. A good example of this right now is social media giants and data privacy / data use.

      FPL is the same as all other business / industries. We have allowed the 'innovation' to occur by letting people get line up leaks before the deadline. Now is the time for the 'regulators' (i.e those that run FPL) to step in.

      1. Goonsquad245
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        This is a really good post (as usual).

    4. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 17 hours ago

      Agree with all this.

      There's also the major con of the game needing to be updated. It has to be updated by the time the games kick off in order for points to score in real time etc.

      A big part of the enjoyment is having your team in front of you when you're out watching the games and see your players get points.

      The only fair solution as you say is to move the deadline back. 2 hours before seems to be the sweet spot and gives managers as much time as possible without giving some an unfair advantage.

      1. baps sniffer
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        The only problem is people forgetting deadlines. And since this issue isn't big enough yet, don't see it happening this season.

        1. Camzy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          People forget the deadline all the time now. What does one extra hour do?

    5. Sgt Frank Drebin
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      The other factor could be that you never know if the leaked line ups are true, unless you have a really reliable source but those seem not to be available for long time. By making transfers based on those leaked teams you make a calculated risk.

      Frankly speaking I don't think they are going to do anything - first of all not many people benefit from it - taking into consideration how many people play FPL it is very, very small number. Not many reliable leakers too, if someone gets too popular he has problems like FPL Rockstar.

      1. Sgt Frank Drebin
        • 3 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        But yeah I agree that the deadline 2h before kick off probably would be more fair.

    6. Rotation's Alter Ego
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Whilst I really don't like leaked team news and strongly wish the deadlines could be moved to 2 hours before, I'm not sure you can go as far as saying using the information is unsportsmanlike or cheating?

      As FPL managers, we always strive to have as much information as possible be it via press conferences, stats data and whatever else so it's only natural that leaked news would be something else we'd flock to.

      I think expecting a huge number of managers to willingly ignore this news in the name of sportsmanship is a real stretch, because you're asking them to put themselves at a disadvantage to thousands. I may not like the team news, but of course I'm going to use it if it's there, suggesting you're either all for it or all against it is a false dilemma.

      It is unfair for managers in other timezones who will find it harder to access this data, but I'm not sure you can put the fault on the managers using the information there, which is what I read your post to imply.

      1. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Aye,it's kinda your duty as a fpl manager to take in as much info as possible and try and make the most of it.

        It's very unfair on the casual manager and i am confidant fpl will fix it for next season.

        Picking your first 11 is a big part of the fun,skill,luck or whatever else you want to call it and you just have to roll with the punches sometimes.

      2. Trophé Mourinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        I cant blame people for using it no, and yes its down to FPL to do something about it. Frankly im surprised its been allowed to happen in the first place and thats a big failing of the PL
        I dont however agree with people supporting its use, thats more my gripe

        FPL are aware of it this season as are the PL, and I think they will take measures vs it, which you'd expect to result in them changing the deadline and also rooting out who is responsible.

        Call me old fashioned but I think a big part of the game is the uncertainity of not knowing who starts, it adds value to the bench and adds an element of luck. Some people even benefit when their bench player comes on.
        Its a very good element of the game which makes it more exciting

    7. Blueberg
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Removing the deadline only really makes the bench irrelevant in week 38 when all matches are together. Which I wouldnt mind. Might be a good reason for saving your free hit so you can have a terrible bench, rather than in a blank gameweek - it adds extra options. If you have played fanteam for example, they allow changes up to kick off and I think it works fine - you get 1 hour of confirmed team news to make a decision, rather than 10 minutes of either insider knowledge or lies to panic over.

      Yes for people in other time zones it may be difficult, but we are playing the English Premier League Fantasy Football game. I'm sure if you or I were playing the Australian fantasy football we would understand that it is the other side of the world and we might have a slight disadvantage...

    8. Madderegern
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Why not just move the deadline to kickoff first match ? Problem solved.

      1. Flaming Flamingo
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        In what way does that solve the problem? All it does is maintain the uneven playing field, as the people who aren't able to access team news still won't be able to.

        1. Madderegern
          • 6 Years
          14 days, 19 hours ago

          Come on. Thats part of the game....

    9. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      I wonder who is behind the leaks anyway?

      I suspect it's someone from the TV people who get an early look at the lineups so they can be published but it could also be a club insider.

      1. Trophé Mourinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        The people behind the leaks are in the media, they get given it early to create graphics and write the online team sheets so they are ready on the dot. So someone in the media at the game presumably messages a photo of it to their mate/relative or whatever who then posts it online.

        As I said, this would cost people their job, and in regards to betting this could have serious ramifications, wouldnt surprise me if this is considered ilegal in some way. Bookmakers will not be happy with team leaking in the slightest

    10. Babit1967
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Although I was one who checked the leaked news on gw38, I can’t disagree with any of this

    11. wulfranian
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      I think is so simple like Pasqualinho's post "The deadline time change seems the most fair. If there are ITKs who get the team line up the day before then so be it - but those who get advanced knowledge due to media contacts 10 minutes or so before deadline would have an advantage that can easily be prevented."

    12. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      For those of you unhappy with the deadline leaks and want it moving back an hour...

      ... what are your thoughts on the fact Premier League players play FPL given they often know the team sheets and can actively impact the scores.

      Particularly given there are prizes in FPL I’m surprised they are allowed to play it

      1. Trophé Mourinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        Well none of themk do any good I guess, and they do actually have a certain rule. They can only pick 2 players max from their own team, I believe TAA revealed this in an interview or Vardy

      2. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        Yeah that's a good point and i remember it being discussed on here a few seasons back.

        There are certainly conflict of interest concerns and the PL have lots of rules on players gambling on games so if these players happened to be in a money league then they would be flying close to the sun in this respect.

        I don't think it would raise many eyebrows until the time comes that an active pl player actually does well at the game.

        You just have to realize that fpl would be an afterthought for a pl player and their club and career will surely come first.

    13. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
      • 11 Years
      15 days, 13 hours ago

      Move the deadline 15 mins pre deadline just like UCL. 2 hours before is stupid imo, ruins the fun and excitement of the game.

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 13 hours ago

        It's not even that - in UCL fantasy it's literally at kick-off time. I prefer it, though I'd accept that pre-team sheets is more fair for everyone because of different time zones.

      2. Trophé Mourinho
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        14 days, 15 hours ago

        but what is the point of the bench then if you know who starts every week. Have a total whack bench with 0 playing then. Or just delete the bench altogethher, no bench? I dont understand, this is a clear flaw in your suggestion

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 11 Years
          14 days, 15 hours ago

          It's not GW38 every GW.

  13. Munchen KFC
    • 6 Years
    15 days, 17 hours ago

    What a goal!

  14. Munchen KFC
    • 6 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Adiós El Mago and bye bye FPl. Have played now for 10 seasons and really enjoyed the first 8. Some great memories and feel privileged to be retiring alongside David Silva. Can't believe he's stealing my thunder retiring at the same time! Best rank 1411. Best memory playing my wildcard in my first season and only making one transfer!

    1. Munchen KFC
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      As the bookie adverts say...When the fun stops......

      1. WALOR
        • 11 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        You'll come crawling back like the rest

        1. Zim0
          • 2 Years
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          Yeah It's a serious addiction

    2. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Adios

      Seems to be a lot of managers retiring after this season for some reason.

      I actually gave the idea some thought myself as i was finding it hard to watch the games without the buzz of the fans but have decided to go again.

      Just a glutton for punishment.

      1. Lord - Blaming it on Rio
        • 5 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        I’ll be back ...

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      See you on 12 Sep!

    4. Make America Greta Again
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      All the best, this game is more addictive than booze. I've mastered the latter addiction, not the former.

  15. The 12th Man
    • 7 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    I can’t vote for Jordan Pickford!

  16. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Evening folks how are we doing now that the dust has settled?

    1. Sgt Frank Drebin
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      What am I supposed to do with myslef now...?

      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Rest your head

    2. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Looking forward to the tinkering of team selection once it all starts again 😀

      Was a fun season though 🙂

      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Already?

        Na. We all need a break.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          Even with FPL ending for now, no rest for the wicked. Two little ones and a teen driving me insane but would not exghange them for anything!

      2. Zim0
        • 2 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        It's the best part of the whole game. I want it to restart soon 🙂

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Hiya buddy - doing good thanks, just like Alanis Morrisette once said:

      You live, you learn 🙂

      Congrats on the season btw!

      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Thank you buddy. If i'm honest, i'm happier that people have enjoyed the content i've put out.

        1. Warby84
          • 5 Years
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          How did you do in the end? What a run you had..

          1. Lateriser 12
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            15 days, 16 hours ago

            31st finally

        2. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          Always a pleasure to read your content. Made me change hmy approach to the game. My GW29 FH ended in disaster but sometimes you have to take risks.

    4. Make America Greta Again
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Well done on a great performance. Licking my wounds after a terrible finish. Looking forward to a competitive new season with Man U and Chelsea challenging the duopoly!

      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Next season isn't far off buddy.

    5. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      And well done with that rank! Incredible!

    6. Ógie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Actually looking forward to a few weeks off from the game.

      Not much of a turn around until next season so we might as well make the most of it.

      1. Lateriser 12
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Absolutely

    7. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Waiting for my ML cash to come through!

      1. Firminoooo
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        +1

    8. The 12th Man
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Looking forward to the break.
      Well done on your rank this season. Always a good listen too on various podcasts.

    9. Long ago I drew a walrus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Missed this chat because I spent the last hour typing up a long essay on my views on the team leaks debate. I find it very sad that this has become the predominant topic of discussion after, in your words, the dust has settled. Whatever changes are made I just hope FPL deal with things with speed and clarity, I'd hate for there to be more arguments about it when the game returns in August.

      If there are any mods on here btw, my comment has been marked for review. I'd really appreciate if, after the review, it can actually be posted, or at least returned to me with a note on which words I should remove. I understand why it's being moderated, after all I don't spend an hour of my life typing something up if I didn't feel strongly about it. Would appreciate a response, thanks! And apologies Lateriser for hijacking your thread for this.

      1. TheDragon
        • 2 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        Have you posted as a reply to a comment or a separate comment ?

  17. Fudgy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    My price predictions;

    Bruno - 11
    KDB - 12
    Trent - 8
    Martial - 10.5
    Werner - 10
    Ziyech - 9.5

    1. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Think Bruno will be less.
      Kdb 12.5

      Martial 11 maybe.

      Value will be in that chelsea side for sure

      1. Fudgy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Agree Werner nailed in my GW1 squad.

    2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      10.0
      11.5
      8.0
      9.5
      10.0
      9.0

    3. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Werner overpriced I reckon as well as Ziyech.

      1. Fudgy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        Werner for anything less than 10 is a bargain tho

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 16 hours ago

          Although I do not play CL fantasy, Werner's price is low. I reckon 8 or 8.5.

    4. Blueberg
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Ziyech is 8.5 on fanteam... seems a bargain.

  18. Detweiler
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Membership renewed for another season. Thanks to all at Scout for a successful season and insight. Here's 20/21!

    1. The 12th Man
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Think I’m going to give hub a try and compare.
      Will pick the one I like the most the following year.

  19. wulfranian
    • 3 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    I don't want Fulham in the Premier League.No offence.

    1. Fudgy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Swansea will beat them

  20. El Magico5
    • 3 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Kebano on the watch list if fulham go up...

  21. Az
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 11 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Final Scoutcast of the season done.

    Just wanted to thank everyone on here for their support with the SC and my articles on here - as well as my Blackbox pod.

    The feedback, support, well wishes etc. keeps me wanting to come back to FPL and make new content and continue to be involved in our little (well not so little anymore) community.

    Enjoy the break and see you when we can make our GW 1 teams!

    1. AnAngryBiscuit
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      I have withdrawal already...

    2. Firminoooo
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Have a good summer AZ. See you next season.

      1. Firminoooo
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        Great to hear you will host scoutcast with Joe.

    3. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      It’s been a great season from you AZ, both FPL performance and Content you’ve put out.

      Looking forward to see what you’ve got in store for next season!

    4. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
      • 11 Years
      15 days, 13 hours ago

      Thank you Az, you have been a joy to watch and listen. With Mark and Granville gone, you are kind the only one showing his personality while playing the game... I rarely see emotions by the other guys.

      Please create more content next year.

      Cheers

  22. FOO FIGHTER
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Lloris
    TAA ___ ___
    Salah KDB ___ ___
    ___ ___ ___

    Fill the rest of my team for next season 😀

    1. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Arsenal defender
      Man Utd defender
      Pulisic
      Fernandes

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 16 hours ago

        No Arsenal.

        Not sure I want to start with any UTD due to the purple patches of playing well, playing really bad and then well again under Ole as very bad could follow again. But depending on Fernandes £ I will still consider.

        Pulisic looking the way, if he can stay fit then he may well become extremely explosive. Also interested in Werner.

        1 x Wolves defender will definetely go in.

        Going to be an exciting season and LFC defending their title will not see Klopp playing second string sides 😀

    2. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Jimenez - always and forever

      Potentially Ings and Greenwood too if prices cheaply enough

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        Greenwood a good shout. Should be nailed as well but still want to hold and see how UTD progress under Ole. CL could be there undoing.

  23. Greek Freak
    • 4 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    Why didn't Mitrovic play in the play-off semi-final today?

    1. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Injured

      1. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        Thanks. Wouldn't mind having him back in FPL.

  24. GranitShocker
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    It's true, and it was mostly Aguero

  25. Ógie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    15 days, 16 hours ago

    What happens if fpl move the deadline back to two hours before kick off but the leaks just keep coming?

    1. AnAngryBiscuit
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      They wont. There's a reason they're usually in the last 15 mins.

    2. diesel001
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 16 hours ago

      Hard to give official team lineup news that is 100% correct as the managers (or more correctly, the admin staff) won't have given in the team sheets to the refs / PL two hours before the first kick-off.

      Stuff may leak from training sessions etc, but that stuff is notoriously unreliable (see Pogba / Fernandes 'news' in the Mirror recently)

    3. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      We keep moving it back until we get to a stage where you set your team at the start of the season and that’s it 🙂

      1. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        It's bad enough that i will probably be losing an hour of my sleep in at the weekends Dragon,if it's going to be more i might have to start thinking of moving to continental Europe or one of the Nordic country's so i can get my beauty sleep.

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          15 days, 15 hours ago

          Ha ha

    4. Brosstan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      The teams are submitted to the official PL representatives at 1h15m before the game starts. Then the media gets the lineup at around 1h before. The problem with the leaks is that some people have 100% reliable leaked lineups because they have inside access to the official lineups that are submitted 1h15m before deadline. This wouldnt be an issue if the deadline was 2h before. There would still be "leaks" but they wouldnt be so reliable. They would be more like Jamie Jackson Aguero injury bs...

  26. Ginkapo FPL
    • 9 Years
    15 days, 15 hours ago

    Salah cant decline from subpar

    1. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Well, not many players around going to be replacing him, not with his scoring record 🙂

    2. TheDragon
      • 2 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Salah will be in my team every gameweek forever and there is
      Nothing anyone can do about it

  27. TheDragon
    • 2 Years
    15 days, 15 hours ago

    Bruno Fernandes

    He is a strange one from an FPL perspective. If you take away penalties, is he really a good option? I know he was exhausted last few games but he certainly is no KDB.

    His FPL point scoring this season has been incredible but... it seems largely based on penalties and primarily getting points vs teams in lower half of the table

    GW38 a classic example where he did nothing and got an 11 point return. (I was a happy owner!)

    But can the penalties really continue to come with such incredible frequency next season? If not then is he really a good option if he is priced at 10m+? If not, at what price would he be an option?

    1. mynameisq
      • 6 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      He's only scored a few penalties, I actually think his open play goalscoring will come to the fore next season. He can't maintain the points scoring of this season but he's gonna be almost a must have. I love kdb but he's not greedy like Bruno is, a perfect fpl asset always spamming through balls and shots, on pretty much all set pieces

    2. Eat my goal!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Well both Manchester clubs play quick passes into quick players in the box - pens will continue imo

    3. FOO FIGHTER
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      He will be in many teams start of next season. I am going Salah and KDB in midfield so pending price of Fernandes, Pulisic just as good as an option.

      Chelsea look like they are ready to overhaul their squad and could be in for some very decent signing. Too many new additions could go tits up though.

    4. pingissimus
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      MBP 3-2-1 🙂

    5. pingissimus
      • 1 Year
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Suspect for me it may be a case of deciding if he’s the best value option at United - unless they get really juicy early fixtures.

      The double triple up for me will require United to sustain late season form next season. Not a given. I can see a cheaper Rash or Martial or Greenwood being the value option I get there quite possibly if fixtures are just middling.

      I defo don’t see him as a “season hold” auto pick. This time last year Sterling was that man. He could have been but it turned out he wasn’t. Same could just as easily be true of Bruno next time.

      1. FOO FIGHTER
        15 days, 15 hours ago

        If Martial is classified as a FWD and his price is not hiked too much then he could be one of the too haves next season...

    6. Giggs Boson
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      15 days, 14 hours ago

      It's a classic case of quality over chances imo. His underlying chance data does not compete with the likes of Salah and Sterling, but Bruno has more quality in his final execution so may be worth ignoring the data for. I'd put KDB in that camp too, his data doesn't come close to Salah and Sterling, but his quality may supersede the data and make him worth it. Tough decisions ahead...

    7. KAPTAIN KANE
      • 3 Years
      15 days, 14 hours ago

      He will decline

      1. Giggs Boson
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        He has to really, those numbers are ridiculous. But in that declined state will he still be worth it? He might be...

        He should still get lots of penalties given United's quick forwards.

    8. sunnyh
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      15 days, 14 hours ago

      I think Pogba could be a sneaky good pick, especially if he can get back on form. His long and mid range passing could be huge with all those runners in the front 4

      Definitely not a beginning of the season option but will monitor through the season

  28. FOO FIGHTER
    15 days, 15 hours ago

    Bloody hell, my first hulked post on this page and the shocker of Sterling 204 and 204 ha ha.

    Was good banter though ladies and gents 😀

  29. Berbs
    • 9 Years
    15 days, 15 hours ago

    For 19/20 season:

    PL fixtures released 13th June
    Season started 9th August
    Gap of 57 days

    20/21 season starts in 47 days.. maybe we'll get them in the next fortnight.

    1. BENOIT
      • 4 Years
      15 days, 15 hours ago

      Bring on another FPL season. Sooner the better, IMO

      1. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        15 days, 14 hours ago

        We're probably less than a month away from a release.

        August 12th~ gives a month of tinkering.

  30. BENOIT
    • 4 Years
    15 days, 14 hours ago

    Crazy how dead it is on here now....

    Wonder how many topped themselves after the carnage that was the final day of the season?

    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 9 Years
      15 days, 14 hours ago

      No need