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Scoutcast Episode 342 – End of season review

The Scoutcast trio of Joe, Andy and Az are back for one more time this season to assess the highs, the lows and lessons they should probably learn.

This episode is dominated by the community’s questions on a raft of topics from deadlines to reclassifications.

With a chaotic final Gameweek deadline for many, the Scoutcasters start off with tackling the difficulties around timing a deadline right in a global game, where not everyone is awake to make last minute moves. It is an issue which is further complicated in the 24-hour worldwide social media news culture that has emerged in recent years.

The proliferation of Fantasy Premier League manager numbers is also pondered. Is a high finish trickier than ever with so many engaged players enjoying the game?

Lessons learned features prominently. What pivotal moments in the season made them think differently about how they play the game? For Joe the importance of Double Gameweeks being married up with chips is a particular issue that will influence him next season.

Players to target next season also takes up a large part of this mammoth hour and a half episode. This discussion takes in reclassification of players like Manchester United’s Anthony Martial, those that are certain of a price hike as well as the potential low priced gems to target.

The five-substitute rule and the potential for an early Blank Gameweek, and possibly a Double too, are other additions to their chat.

They also assess how their traditionally goal strewn Gameweek 38 went and finish the show with some powerful words from Shirtless about family and FPL.

The Scoutcast will return along with a host of other video and podcast content for the next campaign. In 2020/21 Joe will be joined by Az as a regular co-host, with a different guest each week to help them make sense of each Gameweek’s inevitable twists and turns.

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  1. Chrisirwin01
    • 3 Years
    9 days, 22 hours ago

    Is there any way to assess team performance by position (GK, Def, Mid & Strikers) across all 38 GWs without manually doing it?

      1. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        Just saved the dude 3 hours work and no thank you!

        1. Brosstan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 5 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Classic no paying leeches. There should be a members only forum section

      2. Super Saints
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Incredible site, thanks

      3. Boy with the soup dragon ta…
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        That’s an incredibly helpful link. Thanks for sharing it.

      4. Zio
        • 2 Years
        9 days, 2 hours ago

        Incredible site that! So much info on where I messed up (and where I did well). I was actually shocked at how long I had kept some clear duds in my team that ended up with terrible average scores but I still had for a significant number of weeks. Really makes you realise how important being ruthless is... (13 weeks of Pickford at average 3 points a week, 13 weeks of Mount at 3.5, ugh)

  2. dshv
    • 3 Years
    9 days, 22 hours ago

    Hi guys im reading the comments and you are speaking about ranks which is more than good.
    I have one question..

    Do you fellas pick the right captain every single week ?? ( means cap the guy with most points from your team)

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 7 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      I finished 10451 OR, (c) 584, possible (c) points 1026

    2. Forza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      I finished 719th and my captains scored 0-6 points (i.e. 0-3 if they weren't captained) 17 times, so about 44% of my captains failed. My captains scored 574 in total, but they'd have scored 1080 if I always captained my highest scorer.

      If your captains score ~25% of your total points then you're picking them very well (I ended up on 23.6%).

      1. Forza
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        If I'd always captained my highest scorer, I'd have won the whole thing by 102 points. If the actual winner always captained his highest scorer, he'd have won it by 244 points instead of 18. Nobody will ever be good/lucky enough to pick the 'right' captain every week.

    3. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      More chance of winning the lottery 3 times in a row than picking the best captain every week.

    4. el polako
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      If I'd pick my captain right every other week I'd be more than happy.

    5. BrutalLogiC
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      5k odd and spot on 500 captain points

    6. Major League Shocker
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      The average of the 12 managers in Greyhead's Great and the Good was 477 captain points.

      Anyone who scored more than 506 had enough to beat at least 11 of those 12 (Az smashed his rivals with 569).

    7. Odion Igoalo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 17 hours ago

      32k finish - Gw37 was the first time I captained my highest scorer

  3. Lindelol
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    9 days, 22 hours ago

    Who Should Win EPL's FALLON D'FLOOR? Must be someone from United.

    1. Brosstan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      Salah

  4. Greek Freak
    • 4 Years
    9 days, 22 hours ago

    Some interesting stats here, including VAR winners and losers: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53553300

    (The biggest VAR winner appears to be Brighton btw, with Manchester United 2nd and Liverpool 6th. Man city appear to be VAR losers mostly)

    1. el polako
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      Biggest winners are Villa, they stayed in PL becasue niether of officials had balls to react and they all blindly trusted faulty goal line technology.

    2. Berbs
      • 9 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      I thought Liverpool won the title because of VAR? 😯

      1. Fudgy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        They 100% did

        1. Berbs
          • 9 Years
          9 days, 22 hours ago

          Thanks for confirming!

      2. COK3Y5MURF
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        They won because Man City were the VAR losers

        1. Berbs
          • 9 Years
          9 days, 22 hours ago

          VAR cost City 18 points? 😯

          1. COK3Y5MURF
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 22 hours ago

            Yes, that and the Laporte injury, the only position where they did not have a good enough replacement. With Liverpool's poor squad depth, one injury to their front 3 or your grav player and they would've finished mid-table

            1. Berbs
              • 9 Years
              9 days, 22 hours ago

              So, not just VAR then 😉

              1. COK3Y5MURF
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                9 days, 22 hours ago

                Correct, VAR and the fact that Liverpool got lucky 🙂

                1. Old Man
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 9 Years
                  9 days, 21 hours ago

                  I know that you're having a laugh but there is a load of rubbish written on here. Liverpool won the league because they were by far the best team - and everyone knows it. It never cease to amaze me what one-eyed fans can write about their bitter rivals' teams.

    3. mynameisq
      • 6 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      Would be more interesting if they highlighted instances where the final var decision was wrong instead of just positive and negative as that doesn't really mean anything because it's just making correct decisions negative or positive

    4. Pépé sur le P…
      • 4 Years
      9 days, 19 hours ago

      Spare a thought for Bournemouth supporters during the 3 days they were in the top 4, dreaming of what might be possible this season.

  5. Long ago I drew a walrus
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 days, 22 hours ago

    Going to share my perhaps controversial views on team leaks. Late to the party because I produced an expletive filled rant yesterday which was moderated, as it should. Let's try again with a more family friendly version.

    ---

    Using team leaks is NOT cheating, regardless of whether team leaks themselves are legal or not. At the end of the day, FPL is a game based on getting the most POINTS, not the most information, and sourcing information is merely a means to that end. We are not dealing with a situation similar to finding and copying answers to an exam - information does not guarantee you better results. Obtaining information is merely the first step for an FPL manager, then the manager themselves must use that information to make a good decision (skill), then there is the element of luck for that decision to come good. Take GW38 for example - finding out TAA was benched was the information. Removing TAA ahead of Doherty was my decision. TAA (1) outscoring Doherty (0) anyway was the result. The fact that the result can still go either way suggests that the information step isn't the whole problem. Does that mean that team leaks are not useful? Of course not, but I'm saying they are not impactful enough to warrant accusations of cheating. We get team leaks for, at most, 1 game every GW and 1 GW each year where all matches take place at the same time. In this limited game pool, we then as managers STILL need to make decisions based on information from team leaks and even then the outcome could STILL be negative. Just because Chris McGowan was a high-profile casualty this one week does not change the fact that there are heaps of luck involved - Salah came off the bench and immediately hit the post. Mane and Mahrez are amongst the popular midfielders just this GW who similarly to Salah came off the bench and hauled anyway. People are overstating the importance of team leaks to prove a point - don't.

    ---

    NO GAME IS FAIR. If you've ever played any game at all with a competitive nature and a global multiplayer target audience, it's never fair. People who pay to win have an advantage over those that don't. People who spend time on the grind have an advantage over those that don't. People who have insider information have an advantage over those that don't. It's the nature of the world and this will always be the case. I particularly dislike the 'time zone' argument - get this drilled into your heads - FPL has no obligation to cater to people from every time zone. FPL is a game, and it's the responsibility of the people to fit the game into their lives, not the responsibility of FPL to fit itself into the lives of people. We play a game based on the ENGLISH Premier League and whilst we absolutely welcome players around the world there is zero chance of having a deadline that isn't in the middle of the night somewhere. I live in England and have the advantage of info from local papers, living close enough to grounds to be able to watch matches live (occasionally), and sometimes even bump into players on the streets. I live 10 minutes away from Carrington and if I see Bruno driving his Ferrari out of the training ground that informs me that he's not injured. Conversely I have no access to games on TV because I don't want to pay for a BT/Sky subscription. I have family in China that get up at 3am to watch PL games live because they enjoy it, and they have extended highlights in the mornings too. FPL will never be able to truly level the playing field and it has no obligation to do so. I used to play a game called YuGiOh! Duel Links competitively - the deadline for cup tournaments was at 6am UK time. I'd be fast asleep at that time having posted my final score hours earlier, the player pool in Japan and North America would be able to see that score and beat it in the hours they've got over me. I'd wake up to a 5000 rank drop, every time. Is that fair on players in the UK? Not really. Do we make a fuss about it? Absolutely not.

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    I am a firm believer that dedication and activity should always be rewarded. The game - ANY game - should do as much as possible to make the experience better for ACTIVE players. When it comes to team leaks, if I see a window of opportunity at any time, even if it's 2.55 in the morning, if I choose to be active at that time then I should be rewarded for it. If I decide to prioritise other things such as going to work in the morning, or prioritising a trip into some mountains with the wife on GW38 deadline day, then that's my CHOICE, and all choices come with a CONSEQUENCE. We need to learn to accept consequences. Are those consequences more severe for some people than others? Of course, and we know that, because the world isn't fair, like any other competitive activity in existence. But as I said previously it is our responsibility to fit FPL into our lives and not the other way round. Chris McGowan lost the OR no. 1 spot because he prioritised being out with the wife on the final deadline. Do I respect his choice? Absolutely. Do I have sympathy for his loss? You bet. Do I believe that he was unfairly treated because he wasn't able to access the same information as others at that moment in time? Get the * out.

    ---

    So should team leaks be changed? I think something needs to change, because this whole debate has gone way too far for FPL to do nothing about it. I believe in a firm stance, a clear message, from the organisers of the game. They can move the deadline back, or forward, I don't really care, but I expect an explanation and solid reasoning behind anything they choose to do. As for the crowd, we need to realise that 'unfair advantages' will never go away. There will always be people who have insider information - people who work in the media, those who have contact with players/managers, heck even the players/managers themselves. Do they have an advantage over plebs like you and me? Of course. Does that mean that Pep Guardiola is going to win FPL, or even finish in the top 10K, if he starts this season? No, it really doesn't. Because there's a lot more to this game than simply gathering information, otherwise we on this site with all our stats should be steamrolling all the plebs out there who don't have access to this information. And we do try, and some of us do succeed. But you don't hear people complaining about that being unfair do you?

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    Finally, I want to have a lengthy and important discussion on mental health. Team leaks ARE NOT the cause of FPL-related anxiety. Yes, frantically hitting that F5 button at 5 mins before the deadline and wading through all the fake rubbish on Twitter and Reddit is really stressful. But guessing who's going to play, who's going to start, with no information at all, it's just as bad. At the end of the day, why do we even care about team leaks? It's because it reduces VARIANCE - even if it's just for one game a week, even if the leak isn't guaranteed to be true, even if the player who starts isn't guaranteed to play 60 mins, even if the player plays 60 mins and STILL isn't guaranteed to get any points, even with all of those caveats, we still like to know SOMETHING, anything, that reduces the variance in this game that is massively influenced by luck. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with the idea of reducing variance, regardless of what you think of the method of using team leaks to do so. Variance is what creates stress, it's the hope after dedicating hours and hours of research into a decision and the despair after seeing it all go to waste because your TC didn't start, or goes off injured, or does absolutely nothing. There is a conversation here about more than team leaks. I am a firm believer that dedication and activity is meaningful, in this game, in life, in general, and it should carry some weight. If that dedication pushes me to get up at 3 in the morning to check for team leaks to gain that little bit of an edge then I expect to see some reward for that. This has nothing to do with whether team leaks are good or bad - like I said in the previous point, FPL can move the deadline however they see fit. But they need to realise, and all of us need to realise, that by removing team leaks they are removing one further source of strength for the active player. I don't like to use the term 'casual' because it's bandied around as an insult on this forum sometimes - but it is cold hard fact that this game already panders way too much to the casual player and active players often have little to no advantage if hit negatively by variance. Fantasy CL allows changes right up to the kick-off for the first match, removing the variance for players not starting for that particular match. It also allows for captaincy switches between matchdays, removing the variance for freak captaincy fails. FPL has nothing, nothing at all. FPL needs to strike a balance between simplicity for the masses and rewarding the dedicated. Remove team leaks, sure, but give us a proper way of reducing variance. Don't leave everything up to luck - it simply isn't fun.

    Casual players don't suffer from mental health issues - they are by definition not invested enough to care. The dedicated player base are those at risk, those of us who spend so much time on this forum, on Reddit, on Twitter, on YouTube. We are the ones that need support, and we are entitled to it because we're the ones who actually spend goddamn time playing this stupid game, not the people who create a team in August and leave it for the rest of the season. We're the ones who bring in revenue from clicks and spread the word to friends and colleagues thus expanding the player base. It is true for any game, any industry, in the world where if people don't feel rewarded for spending time and effort then people will leave. This is about way more than just team leaks - people arguing about what's fair and what's not and completely missing the point that by making the game accessible to everyone you're killing it for those that truly care about it. We should be hoping for the casuals to become more dedicated, not the other way round. And I've not heard a single voice on here, on Twitter, on Reddit, talk about this, and it saddens me more than anything.

    Final word on variance. I believe that FPL rules were created during a simpler time but we are now in an age of unprecedented disruption to the football season - and I don't just mean Frank and Potter joining the fraudulence table. Compressed schedule, with a season one month shorter for all clubs and even shorter than that for the clubs still involved in Europe. There will be more rotation than ever before. Players previously completing 38 matches will now struggle to do so, and with the 5 subs rule we'll have 1 pointers rendering our benches completely useless. It's going to be a hard season, with or without team leaks. I hope FPL recognise this, and do something about it. It's the first step to actually making the game a better experience for those of us that actually play.

    1. el polako
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      I upvote anyone who honestly confirms below reading it all.

      1. Long ago I drew a walrus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

      2. Alberto Tomba
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        TLDR. Except the bit on mental health. Few things in life are worth stress, and FPL ain't one.
        Better to make early decisions and then have mental capacity to look ahead. Yeah people may get injured, but wrapping FPL TAA in cotton wool is no way to live

    2. Long ago I drew a walrus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      Fellas, sorry for the long post. And I'm aware that most out there probably don't agree with me. That's why I'm posting this, I think it's important to have other perspectives on this forum.

      1. Nomar
        • 10 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        Most wont get through reading that all....

        1. Long ago I drew a walrus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          9 days, 22 hours ago

          Oh of course. But at the rate pages are moving on here, it'll be around for plenty of time for anyone that cares enough to do so. In reality far more text has already been written on the topic of team leaks so people do care. But mostly I needed to get this stuff off my chest because I've been frankly quite p*ssed off by some of the stuff that's been posted on here recently.

    3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 10 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      This is brilliant mate - fair play for taking the time - a great read & honestly can’t disagree with any of it

      Nail >>>> Head

      1. Long ago I drew a walrus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Cheers mate. Too many on a moral high horse in my opinion, just wanted to get it out there.

    4. el polako
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      Good read, I think moving deadline to 2 hours before kick off would be more fair in a global way - not forcing dedicated Asian players to wake up middle of the night to adjust teams based on line ups.

      Pep could win it if he put Ederson on pens and captain him 😉

    5. SADIO SANÉ
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      'and whilst we absolutely welcome players around the world' who is we? lol

    6. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      I don't accept what appears to me to be a premiss behind your argument. The premiss seems to be (allowing for some exaggeration) that because life isn't perfect, and the game isn't perfect, then nothing is off the table - anything you can get away with it fair game.
      I myself never used the term 'cheat' in this situation, but I did use the term 'unfair advantage', and for me 'Well, life's unfair' is not a valid excuse. We here on the FFS forum are in a small bubble - maybe most of us were aware of the leak, but outside that bubble millions of people who play this game in good faith did not have access to the leak and mostly knew nothing about it.
      I could tell that in my ML I was the only one who knew. I took advantage of it - okay the outcome on the day was I took a hit and lost 2 points, more fool me.
      It's unfair; it's an exploit that ought to be closed and I support those who advocate moving the deadline to maybe 90 mins or 2 hours before kickoff. I don't see how that would be detrimental to anyone and it would restore a level playing field.

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        yep, not overly bothered because I'm usually all over leaks but 2 hours before doesn't really have any downsides whatsoever (except impromptu hangover situations I guess)

      2. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        This is going off in a tangent, but 'life is unfair' isn't really a valid explanation for many things. Sure, it is unfair - so let's try to make it more fair.

      3. Pépé sur le P…
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        I agree with Andy's social policy.

        Plus, moving the deadline two hours earlier would remove my disadvantage to Sadio Sane, as I already miss deadlines due to hangovers - and now he will too!

        #levelplayingfield

        1. SADIO SANÉ
          • 5 Years
          9 days, 2 hours ago

          forget I said anything! 😀

      4. Brosstan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 19 hours ago

        Spot on, OP is morally flawed.

        1. Goodbye Horses
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          9 days, 19 hours ago

          He's got a couple of dodgy fingers in a couple of dodgy pies.

      5. El Fenomeno R9
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 18 hours ago

        Agree,especially hard with those with different time zones.
        They should get up at 3am to see if there are leaks 5 min before deadline?

        This is global game and should be made fair for everyone

    7. Greek Freak
      • 4 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      I don't have time to read all this now, but just to put that out there: in UCL Fantasy and World Cup fantasy in 2018 the deadline was right at the first kick-off and I don't remember anyone complaining.

      (Yes, I agree that it would make things difficult for different time zones, but 1 hour before kick-off is the worst of both worlds)

      1. diesel001
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Issue I have with FPL being up to the first kick-off is that there is usually only one kick-off early. If most of the matches kicked off at the same time then no problem (much like NFL where you have loads of 13.00 East Coast time kick-offs).

        In World Cup and UCL, isn't there the ability to make transfers daily? That is another difference to FPL.

        If FPL wants to say you can't make transfers for a GW after the first match kicks-off and given there is usually only one kick-off early then it is better, IMO, to move the deadline to two hours before the first kick-off.

        1. Greek Freak
          • 4 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          I agree with that. Moving players to the bench and subbing in players daily is a thing that fits well with the deadline being at kick-off. I prefer that way personally, but have no issues with your suggestions.

    8. Flair
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I had my pitchfork out but you make good points on encouraging dedication. Nice read

      • wulfranian
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I am not cheating because i read early team news but the deadline must change.Is not nice for someone to must pick between a trip and the early team news,is not nice for someone who lives in Australia to wake up in the night,is not nice if someone is working and can't have access to the early team news,is not nice this agony and stress that everyone has during that time.To avoid all the above and more the deadline time change seems the most fair. If there are ITKs who get the team line up the day before then so be it - but those who get advanced knowledge due to media contacts 10 minutes or so before deadline would have an advantage that can easily be prevented.

      • FPL Pillars
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Listen at the end of the day the team sheets are released bang on deadline. We shouldn’t have team sheets before deadline. I would think sensible to move the deadline an hour earlier, 2 hours prior to KO.

        1. SADIO SANÉ
          • 5 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          yeah, the deadline time is LITERALLY that time so people can't see who is playing haha

          1. FPL Pillars
            • 4 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            Exactly

      • diesel001
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        How can life be 'unfair', but then you argue that it is 'fair' that dedication is rewarded.

        Or is it only your definition of 'fairness' that counts?

      • Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        That has to in contention for rant of the season.I will pay money to see the expletives version. +1 😆

        The game is and should always be casual friendly imo.

        People who obsess over the game like it's fair to say most here do are very much in the minority of the overall player base,possibly under 5% so it would be just wrong to make the game suit nutjobs like us.

        Noting is 100% fair like you say but that shouldn't mean that the powers that be shouldn't strive to make things as fair as possible for all.

        How long do you think before the masses lose interest in the game and it goes into decline if it was designed for the hard core manager who has noting more important going on in their life so they can pursue the surrogate task that is fpl?

        Not everyone has the luxury of sitting on their holes in front of a PC monitor all day and taking in fpl news.I might have to go casual/simi casual from time to time through out the season myself depending what obstacles face me in my private/professional life so i am an advocate for casuals rights.

      • Werkself - A Whole Lawro B*…
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Excellent post. Really thoughtful, well-reasoned and well-written. That being acknowledged, I don't think the points you make are in conflict with the idea that moving the transfer deadline back an hour will make the game better.

      • Goro Majima
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Think that's generally very reasonable - I take advantage of leaks if and when I can and I don't consider it cheating just because if I can get that info then so can others, if they want to. That said, if they were removed from the equation by moving the deadline I'd be happy with that too!

      • Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I'm not sure if he had already voiced his opinion in an earlier post but I think that I was the first to contradict his assertion with my own:- namely that he was "not correct". I agree with you entirely - it's just that you are distinctly more eloquent than me in the way you expressed it..

      • Madderegern
        • 6 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Just move the deadline to kickoff 1. match. No team leaks issue and everyone can check + adjust, if needed. 2 hours before will just see so many dropping the game, cause they forget and miss that deadline.

      • Superhoops
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        This is a really interesting read and I thank you for taking the time and trouble to write it.

        There are many points I agree with and many that I disagree with. I have a real problem with the leaked teams as I think this does increase the 'luck' element for those that have access. However, take me for example, I read everything I possibly can and make my own decisions, but I cannot access the leaked teams before the deadline. I live in Wales so it's not an issue for me with the time etc. as it is for those around the World - and after all this is a global game. I am 55 years old, have no access to twitter or reddit (I think that's what they're called LOL) and spend the few hours I'm not working looking after my special needs son. This game is my one and only release from the 'real world'

        Why should I be disadvantaged?? Simply change the deadline to 2 hours before kick off. I have emailed FPL about doing this as I consider it an unfair advantage

        But once again thank you for taking the time and effort to post this

      • Devo-McDuff
        • 2 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Great post, should get one of those green highlight thingies.

        1. el polako
          • 3 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          You mean they should Thor it.

          1. Devo-McDuff
            • 2 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            Nope, ya lost me pal.

      • Fudgy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        The deadline has got to be 2 hours for me. The team leaks will be even worse next season.

      • TheDragon
        • 2 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Wait a minute... so you are telling me you aren’t a casual?! 😉

      • Studs Up
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Well said. Respect !!!!

      • El Fenomeno R9
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 18 hours ago

        Its pure CHEAT dont try to mask it and should not be allowed(used 2 times myself end of season).
        Before i was thinking how good some managers are,buying Kun and (C) for hit and i didnt know if he was starting at all.
        No idea they all knew the lineups before.

        Read only few sentences

      • Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
        • 8 Years
        7 days, 57 mins ago

        You need a shag

    9. True Deadzoner
      • 9 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      FPL open within next 2 weeks 🙂

      1. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        😎

        There could be some gems given transfer window shuts in October.

        Milner to Leeds while being priced as a Liverpool rotation player for example.

        1. el polako
          • 3 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Does he have to legs to play with the intesity required by Bielsa's teams ?

          1. el polako
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            *the legs

          2. antis0cial
            • 4 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            He came out top in Liverpool’s fitness tests at the start of the season.

      2. Long ago I drew a walrus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 22 hours ago

        Is this confirmed?

      3. Zilla
        • 2 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Is that a guess or was it announced?

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Nothing is confirmed. But I hope so!

          1. Andy_Social
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            * talking about FPL me, not Millie.

    10. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 22 hours ago

      If ManU sign Grealish, Bruno might just be a mainstay in many teams

      1. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Where does Grealish fit? Assuming Pogba stays.

        They need a GK (maybe give Henderson a chance?), CB, fullback and RW.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Right, he mainly steps on Bruno's toes but could fill in for Pogba. He'd have to be back-up/rotation which to be fair is needed as Pereira and Lingard don't cut it.

        2. Nightcrawler
          • 1 Year
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          When ucl kicks in there will be rotation so its not like same xi every week. Ole needs to learn from the end of the season

          Martial tricky injury record too

          Martial rashford and grealish for those 2 spotsq

        3. My heart goes Salalalalah
          • 3 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Not clued up enough I'm afraid Berbs. Just think if he gets fouled so much, many might be in range/penalties

          1. el polako
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            Considering United are given VAR pens by default, maybe they should consider getting Zaha & Grealish - one on each wing, job done.

      2. The Mighty One
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Hey guys. Which sites do you use for transfer rumours?

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Football365 takes a healthily cynical look at rumours in the media.

          1. The Mighty One
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            Thanks!!

      3. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        He's be better going to somewhere like Spurs. He needs to play.

    11. BrutalLogiC
      • 5 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      First season playing fantasy football??
      1994/95 Daily Telegraph, wet ink style Royal Mail style, had a fixed team for the season. Anyone else play this?

      First tournament 1996 school run Euro 96 fantasy football - finished second after winner overtook me with Bierhoff golden goal 95th minute, still gutted!

      1. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I believe I was involved in that first season - if not the 2nd season. Bunch of us in the staff room.

      2. Ógie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I'm just a little bit young for the old school mail in game but my uncle Gearóid once finished 3rd overall in one of the Irish rags leagues in the olden days.

        I often asked him to start playing fpl and join my other friends and family in our mini league.

        I could tell that he was keen but then he would just check himself and say that his wife made him promise that he would give up fantasy football under threat of divorce.I found it strange at the time but now i understand him fully.

      3. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Same year for me too. I was too late on Shearer and Fowler. Earlier that same year I was one player away from winning the Sun's World Cup FFL If only I'd had Klinsmann or Batistuta instead of Asprilla .....

      4. ⱼₐᵣᵥᵢₛₕ
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        94/95 Telegraph was my first too - Jurgen Klinsmann was the first names on my team sheet.

    12. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      A pros pros of nothing, where's Ryan Fraser these days? Is he going to sign for a PL club?

      1. SADIO SANÉ
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        available on a free

      2. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        The Telegraph just tweeted Crystal Palace are interested.

        Previously there were links to Arsenal and Spurs.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Yeh, he's a free agent. Palace makes perfect sense - no transfer fee and he'd improve the team.

      3. Greek Freak
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Apropos.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 7 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          yeh that 🙂

          1. Greek Freak
            • 4 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            And I hope he does end up somewhere in the PL, it's not that long ago that he scored about 180 points in a season, and he's only 25/26 or something. I can't see Palace being appealing to him though given that he felt he was too good for Bournemouth.

            1. Andy_Social
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 7 Years
              9 days, 21 hours ago

              That miffs me. Palace are no better than what Bournemouth would have been if he hadn't betrayed them. And by betrayed I mean if he were more professional BOU would have had plenty more points and would have been nowhere near relegation. Not sure a better club would be as keen to take on such a disloyal person.

        2. Reedy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          Yeah Andy, you ought to have a basic grasp of 'Latin' if you're posting on FantasyFootballScout 😉

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYcfIrI5CEc

      4. FPL Pillars
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Seems like a dud these days

    13. Wolves Ay We
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      9 days, 21 hours ago

      Has the whole FPL world gone mad when it comes to team leaks?

      1. Majority of Gameweeks start with a few matches on a Saturday and the better teams normally play on a Sunday. So most last minute team leaks before deadline will be useless.

      2. The only time team leaks could be useful is GW38 for those with FH. Are we going to take hits because one or two players may not be playing. They could come on as subs and get hauls anyway.

      Am I missing something?

      1. wulfranian
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        The differentials are the most important.

      2. Andy_Social
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        With a truncated season, I think we may see a few midweek GWs with all games kicking off on Wednesday at 7.45. That's 1.45am or 2.45am in this country.

      3. SADIO SANÉ
        • 5 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        be interesting to see what the leak defenders would say if I make a twitter account that leaks leaks so to speak all season and then tweets a load of shite in GW38 next season whilst I FH the opposite - genuinely might do it, leak gang need to be taught a lesson 😀

        Would that be cheating?

      4. Super Saints
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        No idea why it has suddenly become such a big deal, relax people

        1. diesel001
          • 3 Years
          9 days, 21 hours ago

          Because people saw OR1 (at after GW37+) and Magnus with Salah(c) and felt bad that if they had seen the leaked info the result might have been different after GW38+. People will have lost MLs because they did not see the leaked info.

          So it is more about what behaviour do people want to encourage and see.

          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            9 days, 21 hours ago

            Honestly if either of them had bothered to look at Salah’s away record when Mané starts they wouldn’t have went near Salah cap

            Bad decisions imo

            1. Goonsquad245
              • 4 Years
              9 days, 20 hours ago

              What is it about mane that makes Salah all of a sudden a poor asset? You said yourself his stats aren’t affected one jot.

              You’re basing this whole narrative on a very small sample of results - captaining the greatest player in the history of FPL vs a beached Newcastle is not a bad decision.

              1. el polako
                • 3 Years
                9 days, 20 hours ago

                Greatest player in history of FPL ?

              2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                9 days, 20 hours ago

                Q. “What is it about mane that makes Salah all of a sudden a poor(er) asset?”
                A. His presence in the team

                Q. “You said yourself (some of) his (Underlying) stats aren’t affected one jot”
                A. (they declined slightly, but not to same extent as his points, which declined violently)

                Q. You’re basing this whole narrative on a very small sample of results
                A. Yes - effectively a full season of away games - as FPL sample sizes go, we unfortunately rarely have the luxury of larger samples

                Q. captaining the greatest player in the history of FPL (disagree - he has the highest scoring season in FPL, but not the greatest player in FPL history imo) vs a beached Newcastle is not a bad decision.
                A. Yes it was (imho) - see below:

                https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2020/07/16/the-case-for-kane-and-son-as-spurs-exploit-newcastles-defensive-crisis/?hc_page=1&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_22130126

                here is Salah's season sliced up 4 different ways:

                1. Overall (Home vs Away)
                2. Overall (With Mane starting vs. Without)
                3. Home (With Mane vs. Without)
                4. Away (With Mane vs. Without)

                1. Overall (Home vs Away)

                Home: 143 points, 17 games, 8.4 PPA
                Away: 84 points, 15 games, 5.6 PPA
                TLDR: He's a fair bit better at home, but not terrible away, on average

                2. Overall (With Mane starting vs. Without)

                With Mane Starting: 151 points, 26 games, 5.8 PPA
                Without Mane: 76 points, 6 hames, 12.7 PPA
                TLDR: He's a lot better when Mane doesn't start, but again not exactly terrible (nearly 6 PPA) when Mane does start, *on average*

                3. Home (With Mane vs. Without)

                With Mane Starting: 115 points, 15 games, 7.7 PPA
                Without Mane: 28 points, 2 games, 14.0 PPA
                TLDR: Scores nearly double the points at home without Mane - over a positively tiny 2 game sample size, but still...

                4. Away (With Mane vs. Without)

                With Mane Starting: 36 points, 11 games, 3.3 PPA
                Without Mane: 48 points, 4 games, 12.0 PPA
                TLDR: You may as well have a bag of crisps in your FPL team instead of Salah away from home when Mane's about

                1. Goonsquad245
                  • 4 Years
                  9 days, 20 hours ago

                  A poker analogy.

                  If I have 11 heart flush draws and hit 2 of them, and have 4 spade flush draws, and hit 3 of them.

                  Am I more likely to hit a flush with spades, or with hearts?

                  If I choose spades, is it just results-oriented happenstance over a small sample?

                  What is your lowered expectations based on apart from results?

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 10 Years
                    9 days, 20 hours ago

                    The problems with the analogy are twofold here:

                    (a) equating the odds in poker (which are mathematically objective and indisputable) with the ability of underlying stats to predict FPL points (underlying statistics are theoretical constructs which were not designed to inform FPL management decisions) and

                    (b) equating the difference between hearts and spades suits with the difference between home and away FPL performance

                    1. Goonsquad245
                      • 4 Years
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      But I’m not trying to do either of those things - you’re proving my point.

                      I’ve given you the same outline situation. 11 events vs 4 events. One occurs 2/11, one occurs 3/4. By those results, I should bet on event 4.

                      That’s all you’ve given me on the Mane vs no Mane debate. Results.

                      1. Goonsquad245
                        • 4 Years
                        9 days, 19 hours ago

                        Event 2*

                      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 10 Years
                        9 days, 19 hours ago

                        No - your argument is that the results from this season’s sample of away games should be ignored - but that the underlying stats shouldn’t be ignored right?

                        And the analogy you use to illustrate this is 15 mathematically equal flush draws (11 with one suit, 4 with another)

                        My point is that the analogy isn’t appropriate because underlying stats aren’t equivalent to underlying odds in poker - I get what you’re trying to say, and have heard it used before, but there’s too many differences in the games for the analogy to stand up

                        1. Goonsquad245
                          • 4 Years
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          Ok, I’ll just ask you again

                          What are you basing your theory on apart from results over 11 games?

                        2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          Ok so now that we’ve aligned that the analogy wasn’t appropriate - that’s good progress 🙂 - let me ask you a question

                          After Salah has performed at a rate of 3.3 points per game away from home over a season of away games when Mané has started alongside him, what makes him a better captaincy choice than Sterling, Jesus, De Bruyne or Dilva at home to Norwich?

                        3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          And sorry by the way I’m not trying to be a smart arse or a dickhead here even though I probably appear to be, honestly - I should say it could of course be coincidence that Mo’s away record has developed the way it has this season

                          And to be fair, if you were someone who really did put stock in underlying stats then yes you probably could make a case for him away to Newcastle as a captaincy (Many did in fairness, I think Az did as well)

                          There’s another layer you could go down here about how even the underlying stats don’t show the full story (his XG away from home could look the same, but more chances fall to his Weaker right foot away from home etc) , Klopp’s tactical instructions are also different in away games which obviously haven’t helped Mo (when Mané is there)

                        4. Goonsquad245
                          • 4 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          I still think you kinda missed the point of the analogy, but I probably didn’t get it across well enough 🙂

                          And no worries, me either! Just enjoy challenge and debate on stuff, and you write well enough to be a prime target (that’s meant as a compliment!)

                          To answer your question, it doesn’t make him a better captain than the city boys, but not because of his away record with Mane. If you put it that way, I guess it was a ‘bad’ (I.e not optimal) decision.

                          That other layer is what I’m getting at and wondering whether you have any evidence of that nature - without it we are back to just comparing results and making generalisations (spades are better than hearts ;))

                        5. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          Yeah fair enough 🙂 Try it this way - in poker we *know* there is nothing else going on beneath the mathematical probabilities

                          I.e spades = hearts = diamonds = clubs

                          And we also have thousands upon thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands even, of hands in a “season”

                          In FPL however things are very different - we have 38 “hands” in a season, and we know there is much, much more going on beneath the underlying stats (/odds)

                          It just makes it so difficult to crowbar a poker analogy over an FPL scenario (Imo) 🙂

                          Someone cleverer than me can probably point out what it is tactically that hurts Mo’s output away from home alongside Mané - whether it’s something that the small drop in XG is masking because of “good” XG chances falling to his “bad” right foot more often when he plays away, or whether his “good” amounts of shots in the box are actually taken with more defenders around him away from home etc.

                          As we said the other day - it’s kind of the curse/blessing of FPL - you're never really going to have samples bigger than 5 or 6 games for most decisions, unless they are really obvious - (e.g. Liverpool have a good defence, Man City have a good attack, Kun scores a lot of goals, etc, etc)

                          But ultimately when a 12.5m asset's points per game deterioriate so violently over what is effectively a full season's worth of away games where a certain player starts alongside him, and jump back so equally violently when that same player doesn't start...

                          The sheer strength of the *correlation* between that certain player's presence and Salah's ability to score points away from home - it's ridiculously strong

                          But the old chestnut is of course that *correlation* does not imply *causation*, and so we have the rub, the fun, the challenge, the interpretation, the error, the variance, whatever else you want to call it

                        6. Goonsquad245
                          • 4 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          I understand the difference between poker and FPL.

                          I used the analogy to point out the futility of using *purely* results in small samples (yes I know it’s the best we’ve got, but it’s still very small) to make generalisations about probability in the absence of any other evidence.

                          Over the hundreds of thousands of hands, we’d expect spades/hearts/clubs/diamond flush draw results to tend to the actual probability rate of ~35%. Over 11 hands, anything can happen.

                        7. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          You just have to be careful with that line of enquiry though - it swiftly progresses towards analysis being pointless in FPL because of small (I.e. less than 3 to 4 digit) sample sizes

                          FPL nihilism really 🙂

                        8. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          The other thing I should add here is that due to limitations of the members area, we can’t even properly confirm Salah’s underlying stats in games with vs without Mane - (I’ve only looked at Pure home vs pure away - which doesn’t help here)

                          So proceeding on the assumption that Salah’s underlying stats aren’t significantly impacted is a mistake - for all we know the underlying stats could be much, much worse (logically I’d expect them to) in those away games with Mané rather than just a little bit worse

                          I’ve brought this up with FFS before & hoping they bring this functionality for us with the membership cost increases:

                          https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2020/06/25/jimenez-scores-again-but-fails-to-dazzle-in-laboured-win-over-bournemouth/?hc_page=5&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_21950962

                        9. Goonsquad245
                          • 4 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          If they are then I’d be much happier with the deduction, and would probably stop harassing you about it (!) 😉

              3. COK3Y5MURF
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 3 Years
                9 days, 20 hours ago

                I don't think Lampard is in the game anymore.

          2. Super Saints
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            I'm not really sure what you're saying. The information was available to everyone, me included who transferred out Mane on my FH and he came on and scored, games 90% luck

      5. diesel001
        • 3 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        Man City and Liverpool have been involved in early Saturday kick-offs.

        Leicester been involved in Friday night games (wasn't the 9-0 win vs Southampton a Friday night game)?

        I accept the advantage is small over the course of a season, but the question is, do people want to encourage the team leak behaviour? Not just of those looking for leaked info, but the leaker behaviour itself.

        Of course there are differing opinions. My view is that it just doesn't feel like a good behaviour to encourage (leaking and looking for leaked info) when FPL markets itself as a 'fun' game.

      6. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 10 Years
        9 days, 21 hours ago

        I don’t even know what the argument is anymore

        Managers reacting to publicly available information without breaking rules of the game...

        If you absolutely must criticise something (and unfortunately some people *absolutely MUST* have something to criticise) then criticise the rules of the game (including its deadlines)

        Don’t criticise the players following those rules

        1. diesel001
          • 3 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          I haven't seen many actually criticise the players.

          The question is one of what is the intention of the rules.

          1) Why does FPL have a deadline of 1 hour before KO?
          I can't answer this as I am not a FPL representative. My opinion is that the deadline is there to prevent FPL managers from seeing official team lineups for any team before they are officially allowed to be released (one hour before kick-off).

          2) So what is the issue?
          If the intention of the rules is as stated in my response to (1), then there is a loophole, which prevents the operation of the deadline rule as intended. Namely, that certain people have access to official lineups more than 1 hour before kickoff (usually around 75 mins before kickoff) and, on some occasions, this information is being released to the public before the deadline.

          3) So how to respond?
          On the basis the rule is intended to operate as set out in (1) above, the obvious response to make the deadline rule work as intended is to move the deadline back (i.e. further away from the first kick-off). For example 90 mins or 120 mins before the first kick-off. This should eliminate a large number of lineup publications before the deadline.

          The alternative, if the rule is intended to operate as set out in (1) above, is to abolish the rule and insert a new rule (or rules). For example, the deadline could be moved to the time of the first kick-off.

          1. Madderegern
            • 6 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            Ad 3) First kickoff = deadline = nice and simple.

          2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
            • 10 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            The lad that got the thread deleted last night did - the “cheat” card was (Wrongly) played on numerous occasions, thread eventually went caput

            I’d disagree on both (A) the intent of the deadline (My guess is it’s to give them processing buffer) and (B) the relevance of the intent (for me, it’s irrelevant until confirmed - it could be because they all want time to do a big naked group orgy on the FPL towers table for 59 minutes prior to first kickoff for all we know)

            Imo what’s relevant are the rules, and whether they were broken (they weren’t) and whether they could be improved (they unquestionably can - namely by pulling the deadline further away from kickoffs)

            1. diesel001
              • 3 Years
              9 days, 20 hours ago

              Intent is always relevant to rules. You don't have rules unless there is a reason to have them.

              Does that mean the rules cannot be poorly drafted or operate in the wrong way (unintended consequences)? No. Lots of rules can go wrong. But that doesn't mean you don't seek to improve them or change them to operate as intended.

              1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                • 10 Years
                9 days, 20 hours ago

                Disagree that intent is in any way shape or form relevant here - Because we don’t have the intent - we only have guesses at the intent

                My position is that what’s relevant are the rules, and whether they were broken (they weren’t) and whether they could be improved (they unquestionably can - namely by pulling the deadline further away from kickoffs)

                It’s a classic case of hate the game, not the player

                1. diesel001
                  • 3 Years
                  9 days, 20 hours ago

                  FPL know the intent of the rule. They know why the deadline rule was implemented.

                  Therefore it is eminently possible, for FPL, to say what the purpose of the deadline rule is. If the rule is not operating in line with their intent then they can change or abolish the rule.

                  To say intent of a rule is irrelevant is in its interpretation and operation goes against the whole purpose of implementing rules.

                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                    • 10 Years
                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                    “To say intent of a rule is irrelevant is in its interpretation and operation goes against the whole purpose of implementing rules“

                    Person A thinks the intent of the rule is to prevent team news leaks, Person B thinks the intent of the rule is to allow sufficient processing buffer, Person C thinks it’s to allow time for a nice big orgy on the boardroom table before kickoff, Person D thinks it’s because there’s a ghost that turns custard into wine at exactly 60 minutes before the first kickoff of each gameweek and someone in DPL Towers really *really* wants to see a ghost turning custard into wine...

                    The intent is by definition irrelevant if the intent is unknown - we don’t know the intent of the rule, therefore it’s intent cannot be relevant in our discussion

                    My position is (still) that what’s relevant are the rules, and whether they were broken (they weren’t) and whether they could be improved (they unquestionably can - namely by pulling the deadline further away from kickoffs)

                    I still see it as a classic case of hate the game, not the player 🙂

          3. Super Saints
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 20 hours ago

            Even with a two hour deadline some of us might find out about injuries etc or people not getting off the team bus, they'll always be something.

            1. diesel001
              • 3 Years
              9 days, 20 hours ago

              Never let perfection be the enemy of the good.

              Moving the deadline back two hours would inevitably remove the effect of a large number of the official lineup leaks.

      7. Madderegern
        • 6 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        I insist that morals should dictate the rules in FPL.

      8. HollywoodXI
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Move it back two hours prior to the deadline. Why? Because my wife won’t let me check my phone 15 minutes before KOs on the weekend 🙂

      9. Goodbye Horses
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        I'm not interested in speculative twitter accounts or shaming anyone who might have taken advantage of insider knowledge already, if they could get it - who wouldn't?

        The issue is the genuine leaks arrive from media personnel entrusted with early team news to put it out an hour before kickoff, who have all signed confidentially agreements. If they decide to then share that info amongst their mates, for said mates to plaster all over twitter, then they are acting illegally.

        Therefore it's up to FPL to recognise what's going on, bring the game up to speed and pull the deadline back slightly in response.

        If they fan hide everyone's weekly transfer dealings upon demand I'm sure they can manage that. Hardly brain surgery.

        1. Goodbye Horses
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          *confidentiality

      10. Make America Greta Again
        • 6 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        The leaks are fun, miss Anfield express. Prizes are rubbish in this game so we should just enjoy all the intrigue. I'm sure the multi-millionaire chess genius is not overly fussed re his Salah captain pick, he just switched his attention to making a few more hundred k in chess matches while the rest of us stewed in our misery, lol!

    14. My heart goes Salalalalah
      • 3 Years
      9 days, 20 hours ago

      Bottom line: Salah is in decline, and the deadline should be 2 hours before kick-off

      1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
        • 10 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Careful now - You’ll have Foo Fighter windmilling in here if you go around dropping the “D” bomb like that

      2. Pépé sur le P…
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        My first season owning Salah. Typical!

    15. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      9 days, 20 hours ago

      Just paid my £17.50 and I can't log into the members area.

      What's going on?

      1. Berbs
        • 9 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        You don't have a member icon.

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          I know. They have taken my money though.

      2. Pépé sur le P…
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Just logging in now. Oh wow look at all these interesting numbers. Oh there's even a graph. And it's interactive! Very exciting!

        1. FPL Virgin
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 4 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          What a massive dickie tease.

        2. FOO FIGHTER
            9 days, 18 hours ago

            Ha ha

      3. Feanor
        • 11 Years
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Pope made picking the GK a breeze this season.

        Total Played Keeper Points : 190
        Total Benched Keeper Points : 5
        Times Played 'Wrong'(fewer points) Keeper : 2

        1. Pépé sur le P…
          • 4 Years
          9 days, 20 hours ago

          I only had 2 playing keepers at the same time for 6 GWs, and I played the wrong keeper 4 out of those 6 times.

          1. el polako
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            Website.
            leaksforlastminutewinningtweaks.com

        2. Bobby Digital
          • 2 Years
          9 days, 18 hours ago

          Had three keepers this season, started off with Ederson, had Schmeichel in the middle and ended up with Pope. Pope got a couple of doubledigits, he's a legend.

      4. JURGENAUT
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        9 days, 20 hours ago

        Hey everyone, so I'm reading a lot about the "leaks" on here and I for one, was completely unaware what's going on. (Yes I am new). So, is there a certain twitter account or something that leaks team news? Or a website or something? In those long discussions above, I was just getting confused. Cheers in advance

        1. mynameisq
          • 6 Years
          9 days, 19 hours ago

          Certain people somehow (maybe working in the media for example) have access to team news a bit early and leak them via twitter to us before the deadline, so we can get players in after knowing who is starting

          1. JURGENAUT
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            Can you share with me who to follow mate for this? Cheers

            1. mynameisq
              • 6 Years
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              You filthy cheater!!!

              Joke, fplrockstar on twitter is a trusted source, and I think there's a Reddit fpl leaks page but not sure about that one myself. Oh and fplrockstar doesn't leak the news every single gameweek

              1. JURGENAUT
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Aha cheers pal, seems like most people use it so may as well.

      5. Pépé sur le P…
        • 4 Years
        9 days, 19 hours ago

        I think I got a bit unlucky with my defender captains this season but still managed just under my season captain average. Probably won't be too averse to defender captains again next season. Eyes back on Trent.

        GW1: Alexander-Arnold 5
        GW2: Alexander-Arnold 1
        GW19: Lundstram 2
        GW37: Doherty 12

        Average = 5
        Average for whole season = 5.6

        1. Ginkapo FPL
          • 9 Years
          9 days, 19 hours ago

          *Flexes*

          Trent, 12 pt average
          Lundstram, 5pt average

          Overall, 6.4pts

          Excludes triple captain pts on Lundstram, 5pts

          1. Pépé sur le P…
            • 4 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            Daaaaymn. You could captain a defender every week and outscore me! 😀

            1. Ginkapo FPL
              • 9 Years
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              And yet I finished 275k.. mucking about too much

              1. Pépé sur le P…
                • 4 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                1.15m here. Looks like I had more fun than you!

                1. Ginkapo FPL
                  • 9 Years
                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                  How out there did you go? Did you back Ritchie to go big?

                  1. Pépé sur le P…
                    • 4 Years
                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                    I don't think I was as out-there as the last couple of seasons, but I did have Barkley in GW1. I went on the bring in Moise Kean, Ceballos and Haller in the following few weeks, then Buendia and Pukki the week that they stopped scoring. It was hard to recover, especially when speculating on other duds like Danny Rose, CHO, Tierney, Mount and Aurier. So many poor fantasy players in my team!

                    1. Ginkapo FPL
                      • 9 Years
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      Ha, dark path indeed

                    2. Greek Freak
                      • 4 Years
                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                      Ah yes, those gameweeks when I was switching between bad mid-priced options like a headless chicken - I had Ceballos, Tielemans, Pukki, Cantwell (maybe Yarmolenko? can't remember) and Lucas Moura at various points.

                      1. Pépé sur le P…
                        • 4 Years
                        9 days, 18 hours ago

                        I thought Ceballos was going to be an absolute steal. Every season I get burnt by my Arsenal bias.

                        I think I'm going back to my basic instincts next season. Avoid tame mid-priced options as much as possible at the start of the season, as well as the merry-go-round of price-change chasing and bargain hunting. If that ends up being something odd like a 5-at-the-back as in previous seasons, until things settle down, then s be it. Looking forward to fiddling around

                        1. Greek Freak
                          • 4 Years
                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                          I was convinced Ceballos would be what Bruno Fernandes turned out to be (minus the penalties maybe). Still, my Arsenal bias at least got me some nice Auba points post-restart.

          2. Ginkapo FPL
            • 9 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            6.26 captain average for my team this season.

            Well I just resolved to besensible with captain next season....

      6. mynameisq
        • 6 Years
        9 days, 19 hours ago

        Voting time I guess, pick one of the following

        A) keep deadlines as they are with the leak situation being the same

        B) bring deadline forward 2 hours, thus no need for people who are in different timezones to worry about the leaks themselves, they can set their team and go to sleep knowing no one will benefit from leaks.

        C) The deadline is match kick off for the first game(es) of the week- so we can see team news and change our teams accordingly. This has the same timezone issue but is slightly nuanced, as there would be guaranteed team news rather than staying up late every week on the off chance there is.

        1. mynameisq
          • 6 Years
          9 days, 19 hours ago

          My greedy preference as someone in England is C, but I think fairest would be B

        2. Netley Lucas
          • 5 Years
          9 days, 19 hours ago

          A It adds a bit of much needed tension to the game.

          1. mynameisq
            • 6 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            I suspect you'll be in the minority here but we shall see

          2. AnAngryBiscuit
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              Adds tension only to a small portion. This is my first season and only learnt of leaks maybe 5/6 weeks back.

          3. Pépé sur le P…
            • 4 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            B, but I would have thought that 1 extra hour is enough

            1. mynameisq
              • 6 Years
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              Yes worded that wrong, I mean an extra hour from the deadline as it is. 2 hours from kick off

          4. COK3Y5MURF
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 3 Years
            9 days, 19 hours ago

            B.

            Predicting lineups is a part of the game that is being exploited with these leaks. I exploit it myself because I can't let others gain an advantage over me, but I would like them gone. Said this during the days of Anfield Express as well.

            1. mynameisq
              • 6 Years
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              I'm with you, I think A is the worst option. B is probably fairest to all

          5. AnAngryBiscuit
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              If 5 subs remains then C, otherwise B.

              1. mynameisq
                • 6 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Good point didn't think of that, I can't see teams voting in favour of 5 subs remaining though it only serves to favour the very top teams

                1. AnAngryBiscuit
                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                    There was something on Twitter showing the schedule that Andy (LetsTalk_FPL) retweeted. Given the the games it might be in again this season.

                    Not a big fan myself as it favours larger teams, but could see an argument for it until back to norm.

                    1. Pépé sur le P…
                      • 4 Years
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      My initial thought was also that it favoured bigger teams, but now I'm thinking that the gap in quality between the star players of the top teams and their backups may be larger than the gap in lower teams, at least in absolute terms. Lesser teams can train everyone to park the bus, for example, in an effort to make use of their squad depth, whereas top teams need all players to be attuned to a strict and demanding, fast, technical and intelligent style, which takes time and to drill into players, allowing top teams to be exposed when they rotate (think cup games, for example, when lesser teams can often brush a top team's second team aside).

              2. Goodbye Horses
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 2 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                B

              3. Ginkapo FPL
                • 9 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Anything but A

              4. HollywoodXI
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 6 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                B. If you have kids and a wife who hates football meaning checking your phone 15 mins before the deadline to catch leaked team news is impossible you’ll agree!

                1. mynameisq
                  • 6 Years
                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                  I actively was looking for leaks final week and still missed the Salah and TAA news somehow!

            • wulfranian
              • 3 Years
              9 days, 19 hours ago

              No matter how much i like Bournemouth as a team with Leeds and WBrom back in the PL it's good that Villa made it.A tough,exciting,nostalgic season is coming.

              1. Eat my goal!
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 1 Year
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Agree / Leeds being back is fantastic

              2. zotter
                • 10 Years
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Shame forest flunked it!

                1. wulfranian
                  • 3 Years
                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                  I think it was fixed.

            • FOO FIGHTER
                9 days, 19 hours ago

                Points from Mane (left) and Salah (right). Minutes played in brackets. Home away indicated as well and just out of interest, I added KDB's points right at the end with no home or away or minutes indication.

                H (16) 1 - 12 (90) / 7
                A (90) 13 - 3 (78) / 11
                H (76) 3 - 15 (90) / 5
                A (84) 8 - 6 (90) / 13
                H (90) 15 - 9 (90) / 1
                A (70) 2 - 5 (90) / 17
                A (90) 3 - 3 (90) / 9
                H (90) 12 - 2 (90) / 0
                A (90) 2 - 0 (0) / 3
                H (90) 5 - 7 (84) / 6
                A (90) 12 - 2 (64) / 2
                H (90) 7 - 8 (86) / 2
                A (90) 9 - 0 (0) / 7
                H (90) 2 - 3 (68) / 10
                H (90) 15 - 0 (0) / 3
                A (0) 0 - 13 (90) / 1
                H (90) 6 - 16 (90) / 19
                A (90) 6 - 3 (69) / 4
                H (90) 11 - 3 (90) / 5
                H (77) 8 - 10 (90) / 14
                A (80) 3 - 6 (90) / 2
                H (82) 3 - 7 (90) / 9
                A (32) 1 - 2 (84) / 2
                A (0) 0 - 14 (90) / 7
                H (0) 0 - 16 (90) / 2
                A (30) 5 - 3 (90) / 14
                H (90) 8 - 7 (90) / 3
                A (90) 2 - 2 (90) / 0
                H (90) 13 - 9 (90) / 14
                A (90) 3 - 0 (0) / 1
                H (83) 9 - 11 (90) / 8
                A (84) 2 - 2 (90) / 14
                H (90) 11 - 6 (90) / 1
                A (29) 0 - 18 (90) / 7
                H (90) 2 - 2 (90) / 3
                A (90) 8 - 2 (82) / 0
                H (86) 5 - 5 (78) / 6
                A (26) 6 - 1 (26) / 19

                IMO not worth owning all three because of price and messing with your structure. Just pick Salah plus KDB and enjoy the ride 😉

                1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                  • 10 Years
                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                  Have Salah’s points declined versus his prior seasons?

                  1. Zilla
                    • 2 Years
                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                    Here we go again

                  2. FOO FIGHTER
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      Not points per game, no.

                    • Pépé sur le P…
                      • 4 Years
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      Only in absolute terms.

                    • Ginkapo FPL
                      • 9 Years
                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                      Have you considered letting things go?

                      1. FOO FIGHTER
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          Maximus brought up Mane and Salah home away etc etc in an earlier comment on this very page.

                          But this is a pretty good summary for having Salah and KDB as a combo every week. Of course there were weeks where both failed but not going to haul every week.

                          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                            • 10 Years
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            It is indeed - they’re a fearsome twosome for FPL

                            Mo home KDB when Mo’s away probably would have been lucrative

                        • Brosstan
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 5 Years
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          Off season is his time to shine

                          1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                            • 10 Years
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            I’ve been standing at the station in need of education in the rain 🙂

                            1. Brosstan
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 5 Years
                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                              I won't be getting into any discussion with you this summer, too exhausting 😆 buy I've gotta admit I'm enjoying the debated from the stands

                      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 10 Years
                        9 days, 19 hours ago

                        I’m only joshing Foo Fighter after the epic thread yesterday 🙂

                        1. FOO FIGHTER
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            It was crazy. Sterling 204 and 204. Salah 233 and 233.

                            Bwha ha ha ha ha ha

                            1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                              • 10 Years
                              9 days, 19 hours ago

                              Lol 🙂

                      3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                        • 10 Years
                        9 days, 19 hours ago

                        And really good effort & analysis I should add - cheers for taking the time to do this & share it 🙂

                        1. FOO FIGHTER
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            No probs.

                            Salah and KDB it is...

                          • FOO FIGHTER
                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                              Plus my first ever hulked post.

                              Lol

                        2. zotter
                          • 10 Years
                          9 days, 19 hours ago

                          How about something like this for next year

                          Pope (5.0). Reserve (4.0)
                          Trent (8.0). Laporte (6.5). 4.5. 4.5. 4.0
                          Salah (12.0). Bruno (10.0). Kdb (11.0). 5.5. 4.5
                          Ings (8.0). 6.5. 6.0

                          Reading it again. Sounds like you need to sacrifice either salah or kdb !

                          1. Goodbye Horses
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 2 Years
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            Pope at least £5.5m.

                            1. zotter
                              • 10 Years
                              9 days, 19 hours ago

                              Yeah probably

                          2. Greek Freak
                            • 4 Years
                            9 days, 18 hours ago

                            KDB has just scored 251 points, there's no way he'll be anything under 12.0. (my guess is 12.5)

                          3. FOO FIGHTER
                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                              Going be tricky if KDB comes in at 12.0.

                            • firetog
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 4 Years
                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                              I dont think Trent will be more than 7.5m. Robertson scored more points last season than TAA did this season, but Robertson was only priced at 7m this season.

                            • Warby84
                              • 5 Years
                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                              Soucek could be a bargain!!

                          4. zotter
                            • 10 Years
                            9 days, 19 hours ago

                            Which 7.5 to 9.0 mids/forwards will be ones to target next year?

                            Thinking ...

                            Pogba
                            Pulisic
                            Alli
                            Madisson
                            Ziyech
                            Richarlison
                            Jiminez
                            Ings
                            Barnes

                            1. zotter
                              • 10 Years
                              9 days, 19 hours ago

                              Thinking martial will be 10.0 forward. Rashford 9.5 mid.

                              1. AnAngryBiscuit
                                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                                  I think Rashford will be more than Martial if he's a mid. Switch the prices.

                                • pingissimus
                                  • 1 Year
                                  9 days, 18 hours ago

                                  Martial as a forward returned pretty much the exact same points as Jim and Ings last time once you factor in cs and extra points for goals lost and that he missed through injury.

                                  Could still be 10.0 of course

                                  1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Tony Gloves was a different beast as soon as Bruno arrived too though!

                                    Points before Bruno: 95 in 17 games
                                    Points after Bruno: 107 in 14 games

                                  2. Goonsquad245
                                    • 4 Years
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Nailed striker for united coming off a 200 point season, if he’s lower than 10m I’ll be shocked

                                    1. pingissimus
                                      • 1 Year
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      I’m hoping for a kinder 9.5 but you may well be on the money there.

                                      Really interested what United do in the market. With CL and a tough tough programme likely anyway I can’t see that zero rest and rotation as per the last 10 is remotely feasible. Try that in the first 10 next time and they could run into a brick wall.

                                      Huge drop off in quality just about everywhere if they miss a first teamer - really like Mata mind

                              2. FOO FIGHTER
                                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                                  Puli, Alli and Jimenez

                                • Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                                  • 10 Years
                                  9 days, 18 hours ago

                                  I thought Pulisic was breathtaking at times

                                  Ings is a lock-in - possibly Jimmy too

                                  We write Vardy off at our peril too - when Maddison, Chilwell & Pereira are added back in he gets more supply

                                  1. pingissimus
                                    • 1 Year
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Vardy is fascinating - first mention I’ve seen.

                                    Big question I suppose is how Leicester cope with Euro schedule.

                                    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
                                      • 10 Years
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      Yup - I know you pointed out his great start followed by the lull earlier

                                      But we have to remember that after he navigated the baby arrival & the injury, he got right back into hat form again before end of season (in a dramatically weaker team too, missing Maddison, Oeriera, Chilwell, and then Soyuncu)

                                      51 points in 8 GW’s from 29-36!

                                    2. Goonsquad245
                                      • 4 Years
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      He’ll also be 10m

                                • firetog
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  • 4 Years
                                  9 days, 18 hours ago

                                  Pulisic's price will be the first one I look for. Hoping he doesnt exceed 8m

                              3. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                • 11 Years
                                9 days, 19 hours ago

                                Rumors that we will start with blank GW's since the club's going far in Europe will get the extra rest.

                                That would be so exciting from fpl point of view.

                                Early WC after the blanks then most probably.

                                1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                  • 11 Years
                                  9 days, 19 hours ago

                                  How likely do you think this will happen?

                                  1. zotter
                                    • 10 Years
                                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                                    Can’t see how it can happen unless fa cup replays scrapped or league cup scrapped. Already going to be condensed.

                                    We are losing 4 early game weeks. Gaining two from late finish

                                    1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                      • 11 Years
                                      9 days, 19 hours ago

                                      They will find a way. Probably less CL GW's next season

                                  2. Goodbye Horses
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    • 2 Years
                                    9 days, 19 hours ago

                                    Un.

                                      1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                        • 11 Years
                                        9 days, 18 hours ago

                                        Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea and Wolves are expected to be given extra time off by the Premier League and start next season late, should they go into the latter stages of their respective European competitions.

                                        Hulk this mods.

                                        1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                          • 11 Years
                                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                                          Early WC will be must then.

                              4. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                • 11 Years
                                9 days, 19 hours ago

                                BTW Salah is in decline

                                1. FOO FIGHTER
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Omg ha ha, what have I done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                    😀

                                    1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                      • 11 Years
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    2. Pépé sur le P…
                                      • 4 Years
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      I think you have a point. Keep fighting the good fight, dude.

                                2. Easy Cheesy
                                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                  9 days, 18 hours ago

                                  Just looking at xGI for def vs. Mids. TAA is ridiculous (13) but other attacking defenders are only really in the 5-7 range. Given there are a mass of mids at that level it does make you think that if an attacking defender is only get to get one Goal/ assist every seven/ eight games then clean sheets are miles more important? So very little point picking an attacking defender at a poor team e.g. PVA. Any logic to that?

                                  1. Easy Cheesy
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Digne being another example

                                  2. Pépé sur le P…
                                    • 4 Years
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Your logic is almost right. It's about getting the most points, so compare defenders to defenders when picking a defender, except when you are running out of slots for that team. It doesn't matter how you get the points, goals or clean sheets.

                                    It doesn't make sense to avoid goal involvement in defence because you are targeting goal involvement in midfield, which is what it sounds like you're saying. You should single-mindedly seek the most points, regardless, imo.

                                    1. Easy Cheesy
                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      Valid points, and BPS complicates it further. I’ll keep assessing it but I’m probably going to chase clean sheets from value defenders, as opposed to chasing attacking, premium defenders.

                                      1. Pépé sur le P…
                                        • 4 Years
                                        9 days, 18 hours ago

                                        Be sure not to buy anyone who might score a goal! 😉

                                3. FOO FIGHTER
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    This song reminds of the end of this FPL season and now the wait for the 20/21 season.

                                    This could be the end of everything...
                                    So why don't we go...
                                    Somewhere only we know?

                                    https://youtu.be/Oextk-If8HQ

                                    1. Pépé sur le P…
                                      • 4 Years
                                      9 days, 18 hours ago

                                      Keane to start the new season?

                                  • JURGENAUT
                                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                    9 days, 18 hours ago

                                    Lads, which twitter account provided the liverpool leaks?

                                    1. FOO FIGHTER
                                        9 days, 18 hours ago

                                        @KopHQ

                                      • Berbs
                                        • 9 Years
                                        9 days, 18 hours ago

                                        @TheKopHQ

                                        1. FOO FIGHTER
                                            9 days, 18 hours ago

                                            Yeah that is the one, aka Spion Kop

                                            1. JURGENAUT
                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                                              Cheers lads

                                      • FOO FIGHTER
                                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                                          Wonder when the FA will release the fixture list. Once that is done it will be good to go for FPL to open up, right?

                                        • JURGENAUT
                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                          9 days, 18 hours ago

                                          Any other twitter accounts i should be aware other than Fplrockstar, TheKopHQ lads?

                                          1. FOO FIGHTER
                                              9 days, 18 hours ago

                                              FPL rockstar will probably disappear.

                                              GW1 might have a game on a Friday otherwise one match early Saturday afternoon so leaks for the other matches are of no use.

                                              1. JURGENAUT
                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                9 days, 18 hours ago

                                                Buddy, what's the strategy people use. Do they just go open tabs on these accounts and press F5 till something pops up aha?

                                                1. FOO FIGHTER
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    This site was crashing with all the traffic.

                                                    I am just going to avoid early leaks as a load of them are fake and I was burnt last day of the season.

                                                    If I see anything on here I will act otherwise I stick with the team and hope for the best. Hits will damage you.

                                                    1. JURGENAUT
                                                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      Ah that sucks sorry pal. As you know of @TheKopHQ and the leaks were correct it appears, what happened buddy?

                                                      1. FOO FIGHTER
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          It is over lol. Cannot cry over spilled milk.

                                                          Was a fun season though 🙂

                                                          1. JURGENAUT
                                                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            Of course pal, was just curious by the "fake leaks" you mentioned. Still mastering the leak game for next season over here ahaha. Cheers

                                              2. Wolves Ay We
                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                • 4 Years
                                                9 days, 18 hours ago

                                                Some people have suggested the deadline should be at the time of kick-off. Takes at least 45 minutes to update the game after deadline so we won't have any knowledge of how we're doing until the second half. Surely this is a no-go.

                                                1. SADIO SANÉ
                                                  • 5 Years
                                                  9 days, 18 hours ago

                                                  It's doable, because other games do it - but assuming it's more effort that way though

                                                  1. SADIO SANÉ
                                                    • 5 Years
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    Also doesn't really solve the 'people who can't be online before the deadline' people

                                                    1. SADIO SANÉ
                                                      • 5 Years
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      *problem

                                                2. Berbs
                                                  • 9 Years
                                                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                  I'd hate to watch any game without knowing who my rivals have playing in the game.

                                                  So I'd be against having the deadline at the time of the first kick off - part of the enjoyment is seeing everyone's teams before the first ball is kicked.

                                                3. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                                  • 11 Years
                                                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                  30 minutes or 15 minutes before the game so we to be able to see lineups from time to time

                                              3. Berbs
                                                • 9 Years
                                                9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                A few players on my watchlist who I think have the potential to be bargains

                                                Tierney - If Arteta sticks to his new formation, Tierney could be gold at LWB given his attacking prowess. Arsenal have signed highly rated youngster William Saliba who is surely an upgrade on what they have at CB and continue to be linked to the likes of Dayot Upamecano. Leno is reportedly fit for the start of the season too, which bolsters their CS chances. 5m would be great, 5.5m more realistic.

                                                Soucek - West Ham have finalised this signing after his impressive impact on the team. Perhaps a little too deep to be a constant threat, but certainly a menace from set pieces and reminiscent of Fellaini. 5m fifth mid maybe?

                                                Milner - Continuously linked with a return to Leeds after their promotion back to the PL. If that transfer was to go through, I'd hope he's a Liverpool player when the game goes live. I'd imagine he'd be nailed at Leeds and on set pieces - Leeds fans? 5.5m for good old Jimbo could be gold.

                                                Crystal Palace defence - Sean Dyche continues to be linked (https://www.90min.com/posts/burnley-sean-dyche-targeted-crystal-palace-aston-villa) after his fallout with Burnley. I'd be hoping for Guiata to drop to 4.5m for this one (dare I say Pope 2.0?!), otherwise any of their starting 4.5m defenders.

                                                Feel free to add anyone else you like. I just want to put this season behind me and get started again tbh! 🙂

                                                1. SADIO SANÉ
                                                  • 5 Years
                                                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                  Yeah eyeing up Guaita too, Emi is better than Leno btw 😉 Tierney a nice shout

                                                  1. SADIO SANÉ
                                                    • 5 Years
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    This is very 'out there' but wonder if Shelvey can get penalties, he didn't do terribly 😀

                                                    1. Berbs
                                                      • 9 Years
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      Newcastle might be in for a big summer, depending on ownership etc

                                                2. Flaming Flamingo
                                                  • 4 Years
                                                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                  I'd be all over Guaita at 4.5m, he had a pretty decent season though so expect him to stay 5m. I like Tierney and Soucek. Off the top of my head, I'd expect Trossard, Haller and Maupay to be good value this season. None set the world alight this season, but I think there's room for improvement now they are settled into the PL.

                                                  1. Flaming Flamingo
                                                    • 4 Years
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    Used "this season" twice to refer to different seasons * face palm *

                                                    You get what I mean hopefully...

                                                  2. Berbs
                                                    • 9 Years
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    I'd expect Haller to fall to the 6-6.5m striker bracket. But I'd need serious convincing before considering him, he just hasn't adjusted to PL life yet.

                                                    Brighton have a few talents in Trossard, Macallister, Maupay but their manager is worse than Pep!

                                                    1. Flaming Flamingo
                                                      • 4 Years
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      I'm a bit biased on Haller I'll admit, I like him as a player so naturally expect him to come good - but you are right. You are equally correct about Potter, although in the case of Maupay it isn't so bad as he's usually rotated against the top teams only.

                                                  3. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                                    • 11 Years
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    ASM will be gold next season

                                                3. FOO FIGHTER
                                                    9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                    If Wolves do not have Europa next season I would honestly be looking at Boly. Can't see him being more than 5.0. Alongside Jimenez will be there most nailed player. Obviously Doherty better pick for attacking returns but to spread the cash Boly could be gold with no Europa matches.

                                                    1. Berbs
                                                      • 9 Years
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      Wolves current season isn't even over yet! I'd be avoiding to begin with, their season started last summer and they need a long rest IMO.

                                                      1. FOO FIGHTER
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          True

                                                          City and UTD not much rest either...

                                                          1. Berbs
                                                            • 9 Years
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            They have squad depth and their current season is shorter. Wolves have used the least amount of players this season. The strain on the likes of Doherty, Jimenez etc. must be in the red zone.

                                                        • Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                                          • 11 Years
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          See above, Wolves can start later.on 20th September

                                                    2. pingissimus
                                                      • 1 Year
                                                      9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                      Guaita is very likely on his way out 🙁 that will affect Palace defence badly.

                                                      Cahill is the one I’d have if he’s 4.5 - unlikely perhaps but possible

                                                      1. Berbs
                                                        • 9 Years
                                                        9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                        😯 He's decent.

                                                        Seen Palace linked with Ryan Fraser today, hopefully not a Wilf Zaha replacement..

                                                        1. pingissimus
                                                          • 1 Year
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Fraser I’d have - but would much prefer Sarr really. But whoever it is needs a cf.

                                                          Ayew has been great - an amazing buy as it turns out - but he isn’t the cf we need. Wilf has struggled not least as he’s had no one up top to play off. His performances took off last season when Bats came in - before that as per this time he struggled a bit.

                                                          Most seem to have him as a small time hero. My take is different - he shines most when he isn’t the only attraction in town.

                                                          1. Berbs
                                                            • 9 Years
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            Sarr would be an incredible signing for you. I'd imagine he'll have a few suitors.

                                                            Giroud would be a perfect signing for Palace. Given that Chelsea have signed Werner and still have Tammy, maybe Giroud wants nailed on status.

                                                            1. pingissimus
                                                              • 1 Year
                                                              9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                              Giroud would be ace. But noises off suggest we’ll be bringing in younger ones generally - it’s a horribly old squad

                                                              My guess is at least one major “signing” will be a loan. It’s what we do. New stand and COVID mean budgets will be as tight as ever

                                                              We do have a fair bit of history in taking Chelsea loans so it’s possible we’ll get one from there. Is Bats on the market? I’d happily take him too.

                                                              1. Daniel S. - Forgot the GW 3…
                                                                • 11 Years
                                                                9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                                Don't take Bats. He flatters to deceive

                                                                1. pingissimus
                                                                  • 1 Year
                                                                  9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                                  On reflection Bats may not be right.

                                                                  His attraction is how he transformed Wilf - but if as likely he’s out the door then maybe not.

                                                                  Could try and buy Sorloth back off Trabonzspor I guess 🙂

                                                      2. FOO FIGHTER
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Lloris for me. Hoping 5.0

                                                          1. pingissimus
                                                            • 1 Year
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            Fair call

                                                            I can easily see Spurs as top 4 - or very strong contenders anyway - next season. Can also see an implosion mind 🙂

                                                            New territory for Mou having taken over a team midseason. Only time will tell if a new season will see him putting together one of his “effective” teams

                                                            1. FOO FIGHTER
                                                                9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                                Mourinho will want to get some new defenders.

                                                                Lloris PPG and missed most of the season. When he did play he had to wipe every players bum ahead of him.

                                                                Very good GK and over a whole season, should end with a decent points total next season.

                                                            2. Trophé Mourinho
                                                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                              • 1 Year
                                                              9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                              he will be 5.5 surely

                                                              1. Trophé Mourinho
                                                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                                • 1 Year
                                                                9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                                I'd prefer Aurier anyway, so Lloris kinda blocked

                                                        • diesel001
                                                          • 3 Years
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Armstrong (Southampton).

                                                          1. Berbs
                                                            • 9 Years
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            5.5m or 6m?

                                                            1. diesel001
                                                              • 3 Years
                                                              9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                              Harsh if he is £6.0m, IMO. But would definitely be interested if £5.5m or less.

                                                        • Trophé Mourinho
                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                          • 1 Year
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Soucek the next Yarmolenko? Irrelvant?

                                                          1. Berbs
                                                            • 9 Years
                                                            9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                            Soucek CM, Yarmo RM.

                                                        • Trophé Mourinho
                                                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                                          • 1 Year
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Pepe, Tierney, Aurier, Lloris, Armstrong, Greenwood.

                                                        • diesel001
                                                          • 3 Years
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Dunk and Trossard (Brighton). Been disappointed with Brighton, because I feel Potter tinkers too much with his team. It is pretty obvious who is best 12/13 players are and depending on whether he needs to be more defensive he can switch who he plays in midfield. If he was more like Dyche in his selection they would get better results, IMO. Hopefully he has learnt his lesson and if so, that means better performances and in particular more appearances for Trossard. Dunk is a pretty consistent performer and would be a good pick for £5.0m.

                                                          1. FOO FIGHTER
                                                              9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                              I like Dunk, solid CB and would not surprise me if Brighton receive offers for him.

                                                        • supperspout
                                                          • 7 Years
                                                          9 days, 17 hours ago

                                                          Does anywhere show your base points (ex captain) overall rank? I would be interested to see as my captaining let me down at 450 buT OR top 1k