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Norwich City v Manchester United brings Saturday’s Premier League action to a close, with kick-off at Carrow Road at 17:30 GMT.

The team news is nice and simple for the visitors as Ralf Rangnick names an unchanged team from last weekend’s 1-0 win over Crystal Palace.

Cristiano Ronaldo was transferred in by just under 450,000 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers ahead of Friday’s deadline and is the second most-captained player of Gameweek 16.

Diogo Dalot and David de Gea also featured in the top 10 most transferred-in players of this current Gameweek.

Dean Smith has made five changes from Sunday’s defeat at Spurs, with Lukas Rupp, Dimitris Giannoulis, Ozan Kabak, Przemyslaw Placheta and Josh Sargent coming into the side.

Budget FPL defender Brandon Williams misses out as he is ineligible to face his parent club, while Ben Gibson, Pierre Lees-Melou, Adam Idah and Andrew Omobamidele also drop out of the side.

Dean Smith reported injury and illness issues concerning four unnamed players in his pre-match presser, and Gibson and Omobamidele are indeed not part of the matchday squad.

GAMEWEEK 16 LINE-UPS

Norwich City XI: Krul, Aarons, Hanley, Kabak, Giannoulis Rupp, Gilmour, Placheta, McLean, Sargent, Pukki.

Subs: Gunn, Byram, Dowell, Cantwell, Sorensen, Lees-Melou, Mumba, Idah, Tomkinson.

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, Telles, McTominay, Fred, Bruno Fernandes, Sancho, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rashford.

Subs: Heaton, Henderson, Bailly, Jones, Greenwood, Lingard, Shaw, Van de Beek, Elanga

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  1. Duke Silver ☑
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 6 months ago

    Just watched the full time scenes at Stamford Bridge. Rudiger is legit a nutcase.

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Was he arrested after all?

      1. Duke Silver ☑
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Nah was only given a Police caution.

    2. Qaiss
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      He’a spiteful. Just gets involved every single time when he has no need to.

    3. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      What happened?

  2. Bobby Digital
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 6 months ago

    Didn't see the Arsenal game. Was Ramsdale as awesome as DDG?

    1. Traction Engine Foot
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      He was our best player. Not too far off an assist too...

  3. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 6 months ago

    MId-Week (Arsenal v West Ham) play who?

    A) ESR
    B) Antonio

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      B

    2. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      A

    3. MJF
        4 years, 6 months ago

        I didn’t see Arsenal today but their defending against Everton was pathetic and seems readymade for a player like Antonio to dominate.

      • WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Will ESR even play?

    4. Dr. Rog
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Great goals today from Penaldo, Penlah, Penginho & Penling. Pretty clear who the premier league want the top 4 to be then...

      1. Maddamotha
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Lol

      2. syke63
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Plus Leeds and Brentford - game's gone soft.

      3. Qaiss
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        How come you own Ronaldo when you said he’s dead as an option less than two weeks ago? Hmm

        1. Zimo
          • 7 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Probably changed his mind

        2. Dr. Rog
          • 16 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          because he was benched. and then the team was setup for him.
          new information = new conclusion...

          1. Luggy10
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Watching that 90 minutes, you think the team is set up for him? Looked like an old man, team would be much better with a Cavani Greenwood front 2.

      4. Zimo
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        What bout Peninha?

      5. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        7 out of 14 goals this week were pens, not good

        1. Flying Dutchman
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          And King didn’t get one

    5. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      I do love a hit 🙂 ....Or 3, lol.

      Player Out Pts Player In Pts
      BHA Sánchez 0 MUN de Gea 10
      TOT Kane 0 MUN Ronaldo 9
      CRY Gallagher 0 CHE Mount 6
      CHE Alonso 4 ARS Tomiyasu 6
      Transfer Cost: -12
      Total Points Difference: +15

      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        No subs? 😛

        Nice!

        1. Geriatric Unathletic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Had Jota and ESR to worry about as well as the possible City rotation.

      2. Eleven Hag
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Gallagher cud yet score a hatrick?

      3. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Yes I realise Galagher has yet to play his DM role for 2 points!

      4. TRIPOS TOPPER
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        deducting a mark for skipping a step and also Gallagher not played

        2:1 for you

        1. Geriatric Unathletic
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          :).

      5. WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Well done, I've never had a hit pay off but the ones I wanted to take would have payed off

    6. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      63 with 2 to go but feel very lucky

      2 assists from Rudi (one last minute putting him from 4 points to 9)
      Pen from Ronaldo played awful
      Late save from Ramsdale pushing him from 7 to 11

      1. Shineonme
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        78 with Barnes and Antonio to go. Puts in the to 25,000 but I had to use my Fh this week. My old t we am would have scores 60

    7. Jump in Micah
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Bringing in 2nd city def for 5.5m - Laporte or Kyle Walker?

      1. Weak Become Heros
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Lap

    8. bso
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Loving 11 BP!

      1. TRIPOS TOPPER
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        snap

        3 Rams
        3 Ronnie
        3 Trent
        2 Rudi

    9. Lord of Ings
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      So who’s getting Ronaldo this week?*

      1. Bobby Digital
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Going to wait a week atleast

    10. banskt
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Ronaldo is a conundrum. I don't own him and after watching the match today, I was not convinced to spend 12.4m on him, especially since Salah will always remain my captain before AFCON. However, teams around me will be definitely getting him in after the goal today. And that would mean he will always remain a threat and can sink my rank with a big haul. On the contrary, if I spend the money well on a more balanced team, I can improve my rank.

      He is a conundrum because I have no idea which one has higher probability -- Ronaldo scoring a hattrick in one of GW17-20 or my balanced team outscoring Ronaldo in these gameweeks.

      1. mixology
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        agreed it's the conundrum of the xmas period this season

        1. mixology
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          i'm a non-owner but not sure it'll be worth avoiding, although i typically do with poor value (and expensive) assets that i won't captain

        2. banskt
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          I will buy him / Kane after xmas when Salah is away. For the captaincy.

          Crucial question that I need to find an answer to: is he value for money if not captained?

      2. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        I'm not getting him, not worth the money, though if refs keep bailing utd out like that it might be a problem

      3. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Salah will be AFCON soon enough. CR& output only likely to improve as Ragnik settles Team. CR7 focus of most attack going forward especially at home and on Pens! I'm keeping. OH plus great fixtures and the man is a machine.

        1. banskt
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Those are some valid points as well. Never denied that. The problem is not Ronaldo himself as a player, but the cost, which would force a weakened bench during the xmas fixtures.

          For example, with Ronaldo I might have to play with a bench of Livramento, Gilmour, Duffy; which is far from ideal. I would prefer a bench of Bowen, Dalot, Livramento.

      4. Patio Kev
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Thing is with Ronaldo is that he is 36. With the Xmas fixtures you wouldn’t expect him to start every match.

      5. WHUFCSmith23
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Depends on what a balanced team looks like. Will be a lot of rotation over the next month. If your balanced team looks like Mount/Jota/Silva etc can you rely on them to play every week?

        So few choices at the moment.

        1. banskt
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Balanced would mean a strong playing bench, who can score more than 2 points. I have a template team, but the template is returning the points. Next week however, there are already 3 red flags: Vardy, Cancelo, Duffy.

          I can still field 11 players and have 2FTs if I want to sell Vardy and Duffy.

      6. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Depends on team value if he is too expensive or not. I have him and still feel like my team is too balanced, since all Dennis hauls seem to be left on my bench. (My own fault believing that Jota either starts or doesn't feature at all.)

        1. banskt
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          I have now promoted Dennis to first team from my bench.

        2. banskt
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Isn't it good to have players hauling from the bench? Shows that it might be helpful if there's some no-shows due to fixture congestion or COVID.

    11. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      CR7 was terrible and pen was soft af
      so was city's(though they should've had 2 first half tbf)
      Dont know about Liverpool's
      1 of Chelsea's was soft
      It was like last season today, hope that doesn't continue

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Salah's pen wasn't soft one. 8/10 said tv commentators here and I agree. It was clear pen.

        1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          was it? I did say I didn't know about that one. Thanks. Good to know at least one of them didn't win with a soft pen

    12. Eleven Hag
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Alonso + Borja ➡ Dalot + Antonio??

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Is Dalot the new wagon? Reckon he will keep his place after AWB returns?

        1. Eleven Hag
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          He has looked alright going fwd, I think he will be picked over AWB.

    13. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Must be the 1st time ever that I've hit 20 BAPS incl (3x2) for Captain

    14. Gudjohnsen
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Any chance Antonio and Vardy miss out tomorrow?

      Got Mbeumo's 9 points first on my bench.

      1. Patio Kev
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Vardy might not start tomorrow I guess as he played 90 minutes midweek.

    15. Patio Kev
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      One of the biggest myths in fantasy football is “Never take a hit for a goalkeeper”

      Those Sanchez to Ramsdale or DDG -4 hits look worth it now.

      1. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        If you have no second keeper then a no brainer in my oppinion. Especially as Sanchez was on borrowed time as far as i was concerned. Manu def still looking reopey but happy to have and to hold DDG for the forseeable

        1. syke63
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Took the hit also. DDG fixtures plus new coach seemed worth it it vs what Sanchez was offering with two blanks.

    16. Firmino
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Which one:

      A) Play Livra
      B) Play Brownhill
      C) Livra -> Dalot

    17. ClassiX
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Pretty amazing day - Liverpool, Chelsea, City and United all needed penalties to win their games.

      1. Qaiss
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Arsenal the only team to win legit so far this weekend!

        1. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          😆

          Put that beside the gold trophy!!!

      2. Firmino
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Probably only United who didn't deserve to win.

        1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          thats true but city's pen was still soft

          1. Firmino
            • 10 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Yes, no pen for me

          2. Baps Hunter
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            But at least one earlier foul might have been worth pen.

      3. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        And the refs were quick to help out too

    18. HD7
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      How was Saka looking today, mates?
      Was he again looking too wide like against Everton or he had some chances?
      I have the feeling that whoever plays in the 10 role - ESR or Odeegard, have better chances of goals.

    19. FFSbet.com
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Any of these worth FT?

      A) Gundo > Mount
      B) Livra > Dalot

      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Gundo with sore back and short turn around probably needs to go.

        1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Has he? damn

    20. Eleven Hag
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Took -16 and it's paid off already this week.

      Sanchez, Kane, Foden, Toney, Brownhill ➡ Degea, Ronaldo, BSilva, Borja, Bowen

      1. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Noice. Not worth making a habit but both -12's I have taken this season have halved my rank :).

      2. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Not your Team linked then? Says you did 2 trans for a -4???

      3. BullDogTevez
        • 16 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        You’re in trouble when Brownhill bangs in 5.

    21. squ1rrel
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Preliminary thoughts on what to do here?

      Sa - Steele
      TAA - Alonso - Cancelo - Livra - Williams
      Salah - Foden - Jota - Son - Allan
      Antonio - Wilson - Dennis

      1.5 ITB, 1 FT

      1. mdm
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Wilson to Watkins

      2. WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Son to Mount?

        1. Salah’s Sonnet
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Mount will cool off pretty soon i reckon

          1. WVA
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Like Raphina and Dennis?

            1. Salah’s Sonnet
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 6 months ago

              this is mount we're talking about........fool

    22. JohnnyCroat
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Green arrow & Guaita & Antonio to play. Tempered somewhat by the Cancelo booking, but he'll enjoy that midweek break. Be back at the weekend.

    23. Lord of Ings
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Who would you bin?
      A)Raphinha
      B)Gundogan
      Leaning towards B since there are a lot of fixtures in a short period of time and I highly doubt Gundogan will play a lot.

      1. vova
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        B, Raphinha is a season keeper I think.

      2. BeWater
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        I'm going to give midweek. If I don't like what I see I might get rid of him and Reece James. Get Foden instead.

    24. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      Armstrong ➡ ❓

      A. Watkins
      B. Ings

      1. Bobby Digital
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        Watkins

      2. Abra Dubravka
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 6 months ago

        A

    25. The Philosopher
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 6 months ago

      That United game pulling my rise back from a 68.15% to just a 2.05% green arrow, but I guess I'll take it. Need big performances from Vardy, Wilson and...*chuckles* Guaita tomorrow.

    26. Vlekz
        4 years, 6 months ago

        20ish points standard for a FH? Or is it usually more?

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Do you want your old team back?

          1. Vlekz
              4 years, 6 months ago

              Yeah for a -4

          2. Rainer
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            20 over the Top10k average is fine once you have a decent team coming back in.

        2. vova
          • 15 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Best forward under 6.8 (apart from Dennis)?

          1. ZimZalabim
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            tekkers

        3. WVA
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Which player to bring in?

          A. Dennis
          B. Bowen
          C. Tierney

          DDG Steele
          TAA Cancelo James Reguilon Liv
          Salah Son Bilva ESR Sissoko
          Ronaldo King Scarlett

          1. BeWater
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Bowen. I'm actually thinking about getting James out and getting Tierney myself.

        4. Gudjohnsen
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          Ronaldo and Sterling 3 BAPS

          Salah 0 BAPS

          Am I missing something?

          1. RogDog_jimmy
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            no - that's what the BAPs were.

          2. TorresMagic™
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 17 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Looks correct to me.

          3. Ginkapo FPL
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            No

        5. Original Sin
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 6 months ago

          A. Vardy+Pukki/Maupay
          B. Antonio+Watkin/Wilson

          For the next 5-6 GWs.

          1. Original Sin
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 6 months ago

            Or
            C. Ronaldo+4.5 mil Fodder.