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Norwich City v Manchester United brings Saturday’s Premier League action to a close, with kick-off at Carrow Road at 17:30 GMT.

The team news is nice and simple for the visitors as Ralf Rangnick names an unchanged team from last weekend’s 1-0 win over Crystal Palace.

Cristiano Ronaldo was transferred in by just under 450,000 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers ahead of Friday’s deadline and is the second most-captained player of Gameweek 16.

Diogo Dalot and David de Gea also featured in the top 10 most transferred-in players of this current Gameweek.

Dean Smith has made five changes from Sunday’s defeat at Spurs, with Lukas Rupp, Dimitris Giannoulis, Ozan Kabak, Przemyslaw Placheta and Josh Sargent coming into the side.

Budget FPL defender Brandon Williams misses out as he is ineligible to face his parent club, while Ben Gibson, Pierre Lees-Melou, Adam Idah and Andrew Omobamidele also drop out of the side.

Dean Smith reported injury and illness issues concerning four unnamed players in his pre-match presser, and Gibson and Omobamidele are indeed not part of the matchday squad.

GAMEWEEK 16 LINE-UPS

Norwich City XI: Krul, Aarons, Hanley, Kabak, Giannoulis Rupp, Gilmour, Placheta, McLean, Sargent, Pukki.

Subs: Gunn, Byram, Dowell, Cantwell, Sorensen, Lees-Melou, Mumba, Idah, Tomkinson.

Manchester United XI: De Gea, Dalot, Lindelof, Maguire, Telles, McTominay, Fred, Bruno Fernandes, Sancho, Cristiano Ronaldo, Rashford.

Subs: Heaton, Henderson, Bailly, Jones, Greenwood, Lingard, Shaw, Van de Beek, Elanga

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  1. Duke Silver ☑
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Just watched the full time scenes at Stamford Bridge. Rudiger is legit a nutcase.

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Was he arrested after all?

      1. Duke Silver ☑
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Nah was only given a Police caution.

    2. Qaiss
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      He’a spiteful. Just gets involved every single time when he has no need to.

    3. Goodfeathers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      What happened?

  2. Bobby Digital
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Didn't see the Arsenal game. Was Ramsdale as awesome as DDG?

    1. Traction Engine Foot
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      He was our best player. Not too far off an assist too...

  3. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    MId-Week (Arsenal v West Ham) play who?

    A) ESR
    B) Antonio

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      B

    2. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      A

    3. MJF
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      I didn’t see Arsenal today but their defending against Everton was pathetic and seems readymade for a player like Antonio to dominate.

    4. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Will ESR even play?

  4. Dr. Rog
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Great goals today from Penaldo, Penlah, Penginho & Penling. Pretty clear who the premier league want the top 4 to be then...

    1. Maddamotha
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Lol

    2. syke63
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Plus Leeds and Brentford - game's gone soft.

    3. Qaiss
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      How come you own Ronaldo when you said he’s dead as an option less than two weeks ago? Hmm

      1. Zimo
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Probably changed his mind

      2. Dr. Rog
        • 16 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        because he was benched. and then the team was setup for him.
        new information = new conclusion...

        1. Luggy10
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Watching that 90 minutes, you think the team is set up for him? Looked like an old man, team would be much better with a Cavani Greenwood front 2.

    4. Zimo
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      What bout Peninha?

    5. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      7 out of 14 goals this week were pens, not good

      1. Flying Dutchman
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        And King didn’t get one

  5. Geriatric Unathletic
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    I do love a hit 🙂 ....Or 3, lol.

    Player Out Pts Player In Pts
    BHA Sánchez 0 MUN de Gea 10
    TOT Kane 0 MUN Ronaldo 9
    CRY Gallagher 0 CHE Mount 6
    CHE Alonso 4 ARS Tomiyasu 6
    Transfer Cost: -12
    Total Points Difference: +15

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      No subs? 😛

      Nice!

      1. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Had Jota and ESR to worry about as well as the possible City rotation.

    2. Eleven Hag
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Gallagher cud yet score a hatrick?

    3. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Yes I realise Galagher has yet to play his DM role for 2 points!

    4. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      deducting a mark for skipping a step and also Gallagher not played

      2:1 for you

      1. Geriatric Unathletic
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        :).

    5. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Well done, I've never had a hit pay off but the ones I wanted to take would have payed off

  6. TRIPOS TOPPER
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    63 with 2 to go but feel very lucky

    2 assists from Rudi (one last minute putting him from 4 points to 9)
    Pen from Ronaldo played awful
    Late save from Ramsdale pushing him from 7 to 11

    1. Shineonme
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      78 with Barnes and Antonio to go. Puts in the to 25,000 but I had to use my Fh this week. My old t we am would have scores 60

  7. Jump in Micah
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Bringing in 2nd city def for 5.5m - Laporte or Kyle Walker?

    1. Weak Become Heros
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Lap

  8. bso
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Loving 11 BP!

    1. TRIPOS TOPPER
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      snap

      3 Rams
      3 Ronnie
      3 Trent
      2 Rudi

  9. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    So who’s getting Ronaldo this week?*

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Going to wait a week atleast

  10. banskt
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Ronaldo is a conundrum. I don't own him and after watching the match today, I was not convinced to spend 12.4m on him, especially since Salah will always remain my captain before AFCON. However, teams around me will be definitely getting him in after the goal today. And that would mean he will always remain a threat and can sink my rank with a big haul. On the contrary, if I spend the money well on a more balanced team, I can improve my rank.

    He is a conundrum because I have no idea which one has higher probability -- Ronaldo scoring a hattrick in one of GW17-20 or my balanced team outscoring Ronaldo in these gameweeks.

    1. mixology
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      agreed it's the conundrum of the xmas period this season

      1. mixology
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        i'm a non-owner but not sure it'll be worth avoiding, although i typically do with poor value (and expensive) assets that i won't captain

      2. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        I will buy him / Kane after xmas when Salah is away. For the captaincy.

        Crucial question that I need to find an answer to: is he value for money if not captained?

    2. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      I'm not getting him, not worth the money, though if refs keep bailing utd out like that it might be a problem

    3. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Salah will be AFCON soon enough. CR& output only likely to improve as Ragnik settles Team. CR7 focus of most attack going forward especially at home and on Pens! I'm keeping. OH plus great fixtures and the man is a machine.

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Those are some valid points as well. Never denied that. The problem is not Ronaldo himself as a player, but the cost, which would force a weakened bench during the xmas fixtures.

        For example, with Ronaldo I might have to play with a bench of Livramento, Gilmour, Duffy; which is far from ideal. I would prefer a bench of Bowen, Dalot, Livramento.

    4. Patio Kev
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Thing is with Ronaldo is that he is 36. With the Xmas fixtures you wouldn’t expect him to start every match.

    5. WHUFCSmith23
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Depends on what a balanced team looks like. Will be a lot of rotation over the next month. If your balanced team looks like Mount/Jota/Silva etc can you rely on them to play every week?

      So few choices at the moment.

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Balanced would mean a strong playing bench, who can score more than 2 points. I have a template team, but the template is returning the points. Next week however, there are already 3 red flags: Vardy, Cancelo, Duffy.

        I can still field 11 players and have 2FTs if I want to sell Vardy and Duffy.

    6. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Depends on team value if he is too expensive or not. I have him and still feel like my team is too balanced, since all Dennis hauls seem to be left on my bench. (My own fault believing that Jota either starts or doesn't feature at all.)

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        I have now promoted Dennis to first team from my bench.

      2. banskt
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Isn't it good to have players hauling from the bench? Shows that it might be helpful if there's some no-shows due to fixture congestion or COVID.

  11. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    CR7 was terrible and pen was soft af
    so was city's(though they should've had 2 first half tbf)
    Dont know about Liverpool's
    1 of Chelsea's was soft
    It was like last season today, hope that doesn't continue

    1. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Salah's pen wasn't soft one. 8/10 said tv commentators here and I agree. It was clear pen.

      1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        was it? I did say I didn't know about that one. Thanks. Good to know at least one of them didn't win with a soft pen

  12. Eleven Hag
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Alonso + Borja ➡ Dalot + Antonio??

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Is Dalot the new wagon? Reckon he will keep his place after AWB returns?

      1. Eleven Hag
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        He has looked alright going fwd, I think he will be picked over AWB.

  13. Top 210 Club
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Must be the 1st time ever that I've hit 20 BAPS incl (3x2) for Captain

  14. Gudjohnsen
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Any chance Antonio and Vardy miss out tomorrow?

    Got Mbeumo's 9 points first on my bench.

    1. Patio Kev
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Vardy might not start tomorrow I guess as he played 90 minutes midweek.

  15. Patio Kev
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    One of the biggest myths in fantasy football is “Never take a hit for a goalkeeper”

    Those Sanchez to Ramsdale or DDG -4 hits look worth it now.

    1. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      If you have no second keeper then a no brainer in my oppinion. Especially as Sanchez was on borrowed time as far as i was concerned. Manu def still looking reopey but happy to have and to hold DDG for the forseeable

      1. syke63
        • 12 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Took the hit also. DDG fixtures plus new coach seemed worth it it vs what Sanchez was offering with two blanks.

  16. Firmino
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Which one:

    A) Play Livra
    B) Play Brownhill
    C) Livra -> Dalot

  17. ClassiX
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Pretty amazing day - Liverpool, Chelsea, City and United all needed penalties to win their games.

    1. Qaiss
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Arsenal the only team to win legit so far this weekend!

      1. Rainer
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        😆

        Put that beside the gold trophy!!!

    2. Firmino
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Probably only United who didn't deserve to win.

      1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        thats true but city's pen was still soft

        1. Firmino
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Yes, no pen for me

        2. Baps Hunter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          But at least one earlier foul might have been worth pen.

    3. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      And the refs were quick to help out too

  18. HD7
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    How was Saka looking today, mates?
    Was he again looking too wide like against Everton or he had some chances?
    I have the feeling that whoever plays in the 10 role - ESR or Odeegard, have better chances of goals.

  19. FFSbet.com
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Any of these worth FT?

    A) Gundo > Mount
    B) Livra > Dalot

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Gundo with sore back and short turn around probably needs to go.

      1. KanuLenoMeeMoCash
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Has he? damn

  20. Eleven Hag
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Took -16 and it's paid off already this week.

    Sanchez, Kane, Foden, Toney, Brownhill ➡ Degea, Ronaldo, BSilva, Borja, Bowen

    1. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Noice. Not worth making a habit but both -12's I have taken this season have halved my rank :).

    2. Geriatric Unathletic
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Not your Team linked then? Says you did 2 trans for a -4???

    3. BullDogTevez
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      You’re in trouble when Brownhill bangs in 5.

  21. squ1rrel
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Preliminary thoughts on what to do here?

    Sa - Steele
    TAA - Alonso - Cancelo - Livra - Williams
    Salah - Foden - Jota - Son - Allan
    Antonio - Wilson - Dennis

    1.5 ITB, 1 FT

    1. mdm
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Wilson to Watkins

    2. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Son to Mount?

      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Mount will cool off pretty soon i reckon

        1. WVA
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Like Raphina and Dennis?

          1. Salah’s Sonnet
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 2 months ago

            this is mount we're talking about........fool

  22. JohnnyCroat
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Green arrow & Guaita & Antonio to play. Tempered somewhat by the Cancelo booking, but he'll enjoy that midweek break. Be back at the weekend.

  23. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Who would you bin?
    A)Raphinha
    B)Gundogan
    Leaning towards B since there are a lot of fixtures in a short period of time and I highly doubt Gundogan will play a lot.

    1. vova
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      B, Raphinha is a season keeper I think.

    2. BeWater
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      I'm going to give midweek. If I don't like what I see I might get rid of him and Reece James. Get Foden instead.

  24. pundit of punts
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    Armstrong ➡ ❓

    A. Watkins
    B. Ings

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      Watkins

    2. Abra Dubravka
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 2 months ago

      A

  25. The Philosopher
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 2 months ago

    That United game pulling my rise back from a 68.15% to just a 2.05% green arrow, but I guess I'll take it. Need big performances from Vardy, Wilson and...*chuckles* Guaita tomorrow.

  26. Vlekz
      4 years, 2 months ago

      20ish points standard for a FH? Or is it usually more?

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Do you want your old team back?

        1. Vlekz
            4 years, 2 months ago

            Yeah for a -4

        2. Rainer
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          20 over the Top10k average is fine once you have a decent team coming back in.

      2. vova
        • 15 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Best forward under 6.8 (apart from Dennis)?

        1. ZimZalabim
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          tekkers

      3. WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Which player to bring in?

        A. Dennis
        B. Bowen
        C. Tierney

        DDG Steele
        TAA Cancelo James Reguilon Liv
        Salah Son Bilva ESR Sissoko
        Ronaldo King Scarlett

        1. BeWater
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Bowen. I'm actually thinking about getting James out and getting Tierney myself.

      4. Gudjohnsen
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        Ronaldo and Sterling 3 BAPS

        Salah 0 BAPS

        Am I missing something?

        1. RogDog_jimmy
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          no - that's what the BAPs were.

        2. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Looks correct to me.

        3. Ginkapo FPL
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          No

      5. Original Sin
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 2 months ago

        A. Vardy+Pukki/Maupay
        B. Antonio+Watkin/Wilson

        For the next 5-6 GWs.

        1. Original Sin
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 2 months ago

          Or
          C. Ronaldo+4.5 mil Fodder.