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Following the postponement of Brentford v Manchester United, Gameweek 17 now gets underway with Norwich City v Aston Villa at 19.45 GMT, followed by Manchester City v Leeds United 15 minutes later.

Gianni and Seb will be following the action in the embedded video below and over on our YouTube channel.

At Carrow Road, Dean Smith makes four changes from Gameweek 16, with Ben Gibson, Brandon Williams, Jacob Sorensen and Todd Cantwell coming in for Grant Hanley, Dimitris Giannoulis, Lukas Rupp and Josh Sargent.

Steven Gerrard, meanwhile, makes just the one change, with Emiliano Buendia replacing the injured Marvelous Nakamba, who may miss the rest of the 2021/22 season after suffering a knee injury against Liverpool at the weekend.

As a result, Ollie Watkins leads the line once again, with Danny Ings having to settle for a place on the bench.

Notably, Jed Steer, Morgan Sanson, Anwar El Ghazi and Keinan Davis are all absent from the matchday squad, with Gerrard revealing in his pre-match press conference that two first-team players had tested positive for Covid-19.

Meanwhile, Pep Guardiola makes four changes, as John Stones comes in at full-back for the suspended Joao Cancelo, while further forward, Kevin De Bruyne, Riyad Mahrez and Phil Foden are in for Ilkay Gundogan, Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus, all of whom drop to the bench.

Kyle Walker surprisingly misses out, with reports suggesting he is short of full fitness.

For Leeds, they name an unchanged XI, as Liam Cooper, Kalvin Phillips and Patrick Bamford remain out.

GAMEWEEK 17 LINE-UPS

Norwich City XI: Krul, Aarons, Kabak, Gibson, Williams, Sorensen, Gilmour, McLean, Placheta, Cantwell, Pukki

Subs: Gunn, Byram, Tomkinson, Mumba, Giannoulis, Rowe, Idah, Dowell, Dickson-Peters

Aston Villa XI: Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Mings, Targett, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Buendia, Young, Watkins

Subs: Marschall, Tuanzebe, Hause, Iroegbunam, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace, Trezeguet, Archer, Ings


Manchester City XI: Ederson, Stones, Dias, Laporte, Zinchenko, Rodri, De Bruyne, Bernardo, Mahrez, Foden, Grealish

Subs: Steffen, Ake, Sterling, Gundogan, Jesus, Fernandinho, Egan-Riley, Palmer, Wilson-Esbrand

Leeds United XI: Meslier, Shackleton, Ayling, Llorente, Firpo, Forshaw, Dallas, Raphinha, Roberts, Harrison, James

Subs: Klaesson, Gelhardt, Cresswell, Drameh, Summerville, Greenwood, Klich, McCarron, Jenkins

  1. Kodap
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    1 from 1, rivals brought in Foden, horrendous luck.

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      For your rival? I agree, Foden should have had a lot more than 12 points.

  2. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Reckon Gundogan gets the Newcastle game now?*

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      His name is in the hat, everyone is fit...

      It's not worth even thinking or worrying about.

    2. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Or there may be HT transfers again. It's Pep.

  3. Scapegoat Salah
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    COVID ruining the game, when do we think will be the next season it isn’t interrupted by it?
    Next season?

    1. Duke Silver ☑
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Ruining the world mate

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Need endemic asap

    2. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      2046 when we’re all on booster 175

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        xbooster

    3. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      It will take about 4 seasons from now for it to calm down man

    4. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      What do you mean by 'affected'?

      If you mean general testing, beyond next season.

      If you mean postponements/players missing out die to it, could be okay one GW again come Spring or earlier.

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Yeah postponements sorry

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 14 days ago

          In a GW fairly soon I imagine. Problem of late (other than the spread of course) is that the rules had all become a bit more lax.

          They'll tighten up their club testing regulations etc to halt the spread, so games can go ahead.

          E.g. You've seen teams reintroduce rules in the last day or so to do testing in car before being allowed to train.

    5. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      2069

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        My Big birthday 😉 Yet, there are some risks that I won't see it from here 🙁

      2. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Blimey, that will be well past my (permanent) bed time!

    6. Qaiss
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      When the WHO declare the pandemic over. If mass testing continues, which it probably will, even when such large proportions of the population have been vaccinated, then this will go on forever and ever.

    7. TomSaints
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      World Cup carnage next season

    8. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Haven't been jabbed and I've been fine.. knock on wood.

    9. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      I doubt anyone here is qualified to answer that question.

  4. Scrumper
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Any news on Walkers complete omission? (Asking for a friend :-p)

    1. The Suspended One
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Ill

    2. Ze_Austin
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Walker the Ill

  5. antis0cial
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    KDB now an option or stick with Silva & Foden?

    1. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      He looked great ... but 11.8??

      1. antis0cial
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Very knee jerk but Mount Silva to KDB Ramsey for free…. More than likely won’t but KDB on form is fpl gold

        1. Lieutenant Frank Columbo
          • 13 Years
          4 years, 14 days ago

          That’s more brain fart than knee jerk.

    2. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Look at the space he had for his second goal, won't get that against many teams. That being said he has Newcastle next so...

  6. Tcheco
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Newcastle is the perfect game to rest Salah

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Perfect game to take his scoring chart up you mean, guy loves playing right now, form of his life

    2. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      I think Salah is after some records this yeah. Newcastle the perfect game for it.

      1. Baps Hunter
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        I believe he is and Klopp knows that. He starts.

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 14 days ago

          Also practically the fittest player I've seen. Absolute machine.

    3. Utopsis
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Even if he doesn't start, he should come on and he doesn't need long

    4. Firminooooo
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Hope so. Jota(C) and Foden(VC).

  7. sovietrockettes
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Lol, I took a hit to go from Gundogan to Bilva……just the 10 points there…..of course it’s even more if I had gone for Foden

  8. TomSaints
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    How come Cancelo is on a red flag for the weekend?

    He served his ban today ?

    1. Mr. O'Connell
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      It'll disappear shortly

    2. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Patience

  9. Mr. O'Connell
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Thought I could catch up a bit tomorrow. Look at team and see

    XG merchant Josh King
    An injured Livramento
    2 point wonder Guaita (with dislocated finger)
    And bench boy ESR

    Should be fun

  10. banskt
    • 12 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Too early to call and I am sure covid will throw up something in the next 5 days. But, I am curious to know what would you do to improve this team with 2FTs:

    Ramsdale | 4.0m
    Alexander-Arnold | Cancelo | Rudiger | Lamptey | Livramento
    Salah | Bowen | Bernardo | Jota | Gallagher
    Vardy | Antonio | Dennis

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Vardy to Watkins

  11. Bobby Digital
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Ollie Watkins! What a legend!

    1. Old Wulfrunian
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      First time in my team and it feels really good.

    2. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Only had him and Bernardo Silva playing today so it was looking grim until he scored that late goal. Now got a green arrow.

    3. Van der Faart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Got him in 2 GW ago, he's a good egg

  12. Firminooooo
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Ronaldo and Mbuemo to Foden and Watkins -4 paid off. Happy days.

    1. Rainer
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Move of the season!

    2. Duke Silver ☑
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Very nice. Went for Sterling over Foden to be different. Missing successfully failed.

    3. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Well done mate!!! This was a move I looked at too!! Went for Gallagher and Dennis instead so I’m rather miserable now as you can imagine haha

      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Was For Browhill instead of Mbeumo

    4. FCSB
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      its amazing what a postponed game can do!! well done bobby

    5. Firminooooo
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Thanks all.

    6. fish&chips
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Jimenez and son to the same 2 here. Delighted after a shocking GW16

  13. WVA
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    My rival with KDB Foden has triple city, triple pool and triple west ham, hasn't had a player miss out through covid.

    I have been sensible and not tripled up on any teams and I've had 7 players miss out in the last few gameweeks.

    1. Qaiss
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Yeah but this and last season have been filled with luck. No point getting too agitated about it. It's not a level playing field.

      1. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Omg you cry about luck every day.

        1. Qaiss
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 14 days ago

          Where am I complaining or crying? I’m making a point, that it’s not a level playing field and it’s not.

          Whereas you come on here to say things out of spite rather than say anything practical or useful 🙂

          1. Freshy
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            4 years, 14 days ago

            your rival took the chance

          2. Cok3y5murf
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 14 days ago

            You post about this game being mostly luck almost every day. Typically comes from those having bad seasons from what I've noticed

            1. Qaiss
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 14 days ago

              Go through my posts and you’ll see that’s not true. It has nothing to do with my rank because I’m ranked around 150k and I was at this point last season and the season before and came very close to finishing in the top 10k twice.
              M

    2. jammie26
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      You moan alot don't you?

      1. WVA
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Rightly so, I also spend hours replying to hundreds of peoples questions to try and help them but no-one ever mentions that

    3. Baps Hunter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Yes, if you want to win FPL this season, that is the way to go! Probability to do well with good luck is much higher if you don't have eggs in too many baskets. Not all baskets will be destroyed.

    4. Van der Faart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      If FPL winds you up so much why do you play it? Or are you just pretending to be annoyed?

  14. Tcheco
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Mahrez must be the most annoying teammate to have. Selfish as F

    1. Utopsis
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      It's OK to be selfish when it's 7-0

  15. skeeb14
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    3 City players worth £22.5M in a game they score 7 and record a shutout and I get a total of 1 point. I’m gonna eat a chocolate bar.

    1. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      My rival is on 28 points from his 2 City players lol

  16. Inspector Norse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    ESR to:

    Bowen (have Antonio)
    or
    Gallagher?

    Or keep?

    Cheers

    1. WVA
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Arsenal haven't even played yet

      1. Inspector Norse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Thanks. Neither have West Ham - so not doing anything today, I'm thinking about points over the holidays

  17. GoonerGirl
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    A nice clean sheet and 6 points from Matty Cash. Almost did Foden for ESR but oh well can't get it right all the time.

    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Cash will be big points in the bank at some stage.

      1. GoonerGirl
        • 6 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Hope so, would be nice, especially when I wasn't planning on bringing him in at all and was a last minute decision.

    2. Bruin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      ESR not played in weeks and not missed, why would you consider that

  18. FCSB
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Early thoughts, obviously a lot can change as the week goes on...

    Ramsdale
    TAA James Alonso Cancelo
    Salah Jota Bilva Gallagher
    Antonio King

    Foster Raphinha Livramento Davis

    2FT, 5.0itb

    1. Raphinha >> Foden (bench King)
    2. Raphinha >> Bowen (bench King)
    3. Davis >> Watkins (bench King)

    Thanks all

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      1 and 3 if the 5.0m will stretch that far.

      1. FCSB
        • 9 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        It does with 0.3 to spare but I have no clue who I’d play Watkins over then

    2. Hansel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      3

  19. EL tridente
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Does of you who got in Watkins for Ronaldo, will you keep him now or look to bring in Ronaldo again? I will probably myself keep Watkins and look to invest some of the money in the midfield - most likely some more City and maybe Son.

    1. jammie26
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Keeping with burnley at home next.

      1. Crouching Tiger
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Keeping for now until I can get some FT's to bring Ronaldo back.

  20. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Who scores more point over the next few gameweeks?
    A)gundo Toney Watkins/Antonio
    B)Antonio Watkins raphinha
    Considering all 3 will start most weeks.

  21. El Presidente
    • 6 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Havertz vs NOR
    Bilva vs LEE

    Cant catch a break this season.

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Unlucky today, but I guess the stats weren't actually all that favourable for either player.

    2. Firminooooo
      • 9 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Thats madness. Went also Havertz(C) in that game. Have Jota(C) this GW, If Liverpool win 7-0 with Jota 1 point and Salah haul I will loose it!

  22. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
    • 16 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    One of those shoulda, coulda woulda weeks for me - already.

    Got in Ronaldo in early for Vardy pre covid news. Otherwise would have got Watkins.

    Way back originally planned Watkins and Antonio for this run of games - but the covid spurs stuff made me change track.

    I was even talking up and considering Ramsey (as he was been talked up by the pros) back then but got Gilmour to save the .1.

    Shoulda, woulda, coulda the three best players in any gameweek in fantasy football.

    Well done on getting Watkins by the way!

    1. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Same RE: Ronaldo lad, just laugh about it otherwise will get you down 😀

      Hold on to the dim hope that he gets to play a weakened Brighton team (if United themselves aren't!), even if pushed later next GW, then Newcastle straight after.

      If not, no rush on a transfer given he's easily downgradable.

      1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
        • 16 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        The annoying thing if the United Brighton game is off - guess who my two keepers are?

        Sanchez and De Gea. 😀

        At this stage all I can hope is that ground can be regained in future gameweeks for the players missing games now.

        On the plus side re - Ronaldo he is getting a rest.

  23. The-Red-1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Time to ditch James and Guaita for Targett (or another villa) and Ramsdale?

    1. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 16 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      I would have Targett as your fourth fifth defender if you could.
      Keep James.

      1. EL tridente
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 14 days ago

        Probably also as the 4th defender. Villa Got some really nice fixtures coming up

  24. Lord of Ings
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    *Who scores more point over the next few gameweeks?
    A)gundo Toney Watkins/Antonio
    B)Antonio Watkins raphinha
    Considering all 3 will start most weeks.

  25. gooberman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Bought Watkins in GW10 and he has averaged 6ppg for me. Benched him for the Liverpool game. Nice little buy but just like Silva thats pretty much the end of him now as a differential. It was good while it lasted.

  26. jonnybhoy
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    The absolute pain of forgetting to do Ronaldo to Watkins is horrible

  27. Feloh
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Were it not for FFSCOUT, I wouldn't have made the ronaldo to Watkins move, I would have gone Kane like a fool to try and get ahead of the curve. Thanks a bunch everyone who suggested Watkins.

    1. Bruin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 14 days ago

      Did you need Scout to tell you not to go for a team that was down with Covid and might not play this week i.e. 10 days isolation. Watkins was the only obvious transfer

  28. Dthinger
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Well I started this week feeling good about my cup match against a dead team…but they have KDB and Ake…so…

  29. FCSB
    • 9 Years
    4 years, 14 days ago

    Hard to take tonights games...

    Bilva owner instead of Foden,
    Had Davis >> Watkins FT lined up to play over Raphinha... but bottled it 🙁