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There’s one more Gameweek 17 match to go before Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers get their sole rest day ahead of back-to-back Gameweeks.

Leeds United v Manchester City is the fixture in question, with kick-off at Elland Road set for 20:00 GMT.

It’s almost entirely about the visitors from an FPL perspective, with only one member of Leeds’ starting XI, bench fodder’s Sam Greenwood, owned by more than 2% of Fantasy managers.

Five City assets boast double-digit ownerships, by contrast, but two of them, Joao Cancelo and Phil Foden, aren’t part of Pep Guardiola’s line-up tonight.

In fact, only two of the eight City players who reached the quarter-finals of the 2022 FIFA World Cup with Portugal or England make the team this evening.

It’s John Stones and Jack Grealish who get the nod, with Kyle Walker, Bernardo Silva, Foden, Cancelo and the newly portly Kalvin Phillips on the bench.

Ruben Dias is injured.

Above: FPL assets sorted by ‘effective ownership’ in the top 10k (via LiveFPL)

Guardiola has largely gone with the same team that defeated Liverpool in the EFL Cup last Thursday, making three changes: Stefan Ortega, Aymeric Laporte and Cole Palmer are replaced by Ederson, Stones and Grealish.

Jesse Marsch has got a number of his injured and ill players back this evening, including Illan Meslier and Rodrigo.

Patrick Bamford misses out and Crysencio Summerville, who like Rodrigo has scored three goals in as many league matches, is only on the bench.

GAMEWEEK 17 LINE-UPS

Leeds United XI: Meslier, Kristensen, Struijk, Koch, Cooper, Forshaw, Roca, Greenwood, Gnonto, Rodrigo, Aaronson.

Subs: Robles, Ayling, Firpo, Llorente, Gyabi, Klich, Summerville, Harrison, Gelhardt.

Manchester City XI: Ederson, Lewis, Akanji, Stones, Ake, Rodri, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Grealish, Haaland, Mahrez.

Subs: Ortega, Walker, Phillips, Cancelo, Laporte, Bernardo, Gomez, Foden, Palmer.


GAMEWEEK 17 RESULTS SO FAR

Manchester United3 – 0Nottingham Forest
Chelsea2 – 0Bournemouth
Arsenal3 – 1West Ham United
Aston Villa1 – 3Liverpool
Southampton1 – 3Brighton and Hove Albion
Leicester City0 – 3Newcastle United
Everton1 – 2Wolverhampton Wanderers
Crystal Palace0 – 3Fulham
Brentford2 – 2Tottenham Hotspur

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  1. Gandalf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Got the James, Bueno, Patterson combo..

    A. James > Botman
    B. James > Cucu
    C. KDB > Salah
    D. Roll the free

    1. Stranger Mings
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      A or b

    2. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      James out defo

      I'm leaning Mutd in

    3. Shark Team
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Shaw or Botman I’m at the same place

    4. Under my Cucurella
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Same was thinking either Shaw or Gabriel

    5. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      D. Roll. Play Bueno at home against United. 2FT for more flexibility.

  2. rozzo
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Kepa
    Cancelo Trippier White Patterson Bueno
    KDB Martinelli Rashford Almiron Andreas
    Haaland Kane Darwin

    0itb

    Darwin to Mitro or save and get Mitro for the doubles?

    1. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      AM has Chelx2, Lei A, Tot and New. next up, can't see too many goals

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Mitrovic has great fixtures next two gameweeks. He plays against SOU at home in GW18 and has a double in GW19.

        As long as you are comfortable with the yellow card dilemma, I suggest to get him in. But, one yellow card in his next two and he will miss one of those matches.

    2. The Polymath
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      You must have good team value

  3. statenisland
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    What to do with Darwin?
    Thinking of going to Mitro. Should I do it?

    Ward (Iversen)
    Trippier, Cancelo, Saliba (Bueno, Neco)
    Rashford, KdB, Almiron, Martinelli (Andreas)
    Haaland, Kane, Darwin

    1. statenisland
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Just posted and then seen the previous post! Similar team, same issue. Basically, Darwin is crap.

      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Keep Darwin long term

    2. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Fulham have some really bad fixtures coming up?

      1. statenisland
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Agreed, but Southampton and then Leicester might be worth it and then transfer out back to Darwin?

    3. nerd_is_the_werd
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I am not sure, Darwin still has to prove himself.
      However, he won't get many chances to be a lone striker playing 85+ mins at home to Leicester.
      Surely gets at least 1 goal contribution, part of me might just wait it out until GW19....

    4. MBK 42
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      With his XG stats, I think Darwin could properly punish sellers this week.

      1. statenisland
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        You’ve convinced me to hang onto him. Thx

      2. PompeyUpNorth!
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Agreed

    5. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I am considering to buy Darwin this week.

  4. JBG
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    James to Cancelo easy transfer?

    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I am doing it for a hit

    2. DA Minnion (Former great)
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Not if you have no money in the bank.

      1. JBG
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        4.8itb

    3. Stranger Mings
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Y

    4. Shark Team
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Why’d you want Cancelo? Next fixture great but overall he can be rotated as we saw today so idk I’m not convinced he is worth the price tag

      1. JBG
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Don't want anyone else. Have Shaw, Gabriel, Trippier. Who would you suggest?

        1. Shark Team
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          Botman 4th defender and invest more in mids/fwds

          1. JBG
            • 7 Years
            3 years, 2 months ago

            Happy with mid and attackers.

            Rash-Kdb-Almiron-Martinelli
            Haaland-Darwin-Martial

        2. sulldaddy
          • 15 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          cucurella maybe? Im not convinced Cancelo is worth the salary TBH.

  5. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Anyone good at math or predicting, do you think Odegaard rises tonight?

    He needs 4850 more transfers according to fpl statistics and was already transferred by 80k+ since the start of the GW

    Thanks

    1. Shark Team
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      No, I don’t think that’s quite a big number

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      The rate he is rising I think it is possible his price will rise ( 95.1 on stats)

  6. Hutchiniho
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Most important players to start 2023???

    1. MBK 42
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Haaland (obvs)
      An Arsenal mid from Saka, Odegaard, Martinelli
      Rashford
      Kepa
      Salah
      Almiron
      Trippier

      1. Bluetiger1
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Interesting call

      2. Hutchiniho
        • 7 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Good list.
        Would you drop one of Salah, Kane or Haaland for Rashford?

      3. Pomodoro
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Add Kane to that.

    2. Razer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      How much is Haaland going to cost tho?
      15M?

  7. nerd_is_the_werd
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    a) James + Darwin ---> Trent + Mitro (-4)
    b) James ---> 6.2 DEF (not Newcastle or Man City)
    c) No transfer, play Castagne (LIV, a) for GW 18

    I am currently tending to a), but not sure on this.

    1. Bluetiger1
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      c then do a double in GW19 with more information

      1. nerd_is_the_werd
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Seems sound, think that's the best move and saves on a -4, thanks.

  8. N00B
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    What do you think about Tete from Fulham?
    + 4.4 fullback
    + good fixture in gw18 (home vs Southampton)
    + dgw

    - plays for Fulham

  9. Stranger Mings
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    James to a) cucurella (own Kepa) or b) botman (own trippier)? Thanks

    1. MBK 42
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      B and bank the money

      1. Stranger Mings
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks sounds sensible

    2. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      New really on a gd run. 8 gd fixtures in their next 11

      1. Stranger Mings
        • 5 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Yeh botman it is ! Thanks

  10. OptimusBlack
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    If you have Darwin would u
    A- Keep him
    B- Sell for Mitro

    1. MBK 42
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      A

    2. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      A

    3. OptimusBlack
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Cheers

    4. DARE TO BISCAN
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      A - bound to start taking some chances. Gets at least another week from me

      1. OptimusBlack
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thxx

  11. MBK 42
    • 11 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Didn’t watch the game tonight, did KDB threaten to do anything? Kicking myself I went Salah to him last minute.

    1. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Very quite. old school. assist for the assist

    2. Shark Team
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      He played deeper, created chances as always but fast pace game isn’t his type so he didn’t have such an effect

    3. Qaiss
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Yes he was very unlucky not to get anything. Could of very easily had 2 returns, don't listen to the kneejerkers on here. That being said if Salah finds form, which he's done so far, then he is the better pick.

  12. Hutchiniho
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    More points - Pereira or Gibbs-White or Brenan Johnson?

    1. bombonera
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Pereira

  13. Stavrosplay
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Is James going down tonight ?
    Is Mitro going up ?

    Currently have Trippier, Shaw, White, Bueno

    Best replacement for James

    1. Cancelo
    2, Trent
    3. Robertson
    4. save money and look for a differential

    Any help very much appreciated

    1. Hutchiniho
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Trent.
      Love your thoughts on a few Diffs

      1. Stavrosplay
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Trent looked really good vs villa although Robertson outscored him

        Eustupian
        Dunk
        Perisic
        Akanji

    2. OptimusBlack
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      4

  14. OptimusBlack
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Number of goals till GW 17
    Haaland scored 20 Goals
    Chelsea 19 Goals

    1. Bluetiger1
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      True - his not normal - if no injuries will rewrite scoring charts for one season in the PL - all teams would like a Haaland

  15. The Parrot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Is it mad to try and move

    Kane + Rashford to Mitro + Salah

    1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      wouldnt do it for a hit, they prob score similar

  16. NJ MetroStars
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    kepa

    cancelo, trippier, shaw

    kdb, martinello, almiron, rashford

    haaland, darwin, martial

    (ward, andreas, bueno, james)

    0.9 itb

    a) martial --> mitrovic
    b) james --> newcastle d, arsenal d, etc.
    c) roll

    1. Under my Cucurella
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      B

      1. Under my Cucurella
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Sorry was meant to say A

        1. NJ MetroStars
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          triple united too crazy?

          1. Under my Cucurella
            • 10 Years
            3 years, 2 months ago

            They are in good form, but I'd probably rather Mitro than Martial

            1. NJ MetroStars
              • 4 Years
              3 years, 2 months ago

              think Im rolling it. Im comfortable with all three at wolves, then bounmouth at home the following week if necessary.

  17. Under my Cucurella
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Kepa Ward
    Cancelo Trippier James* Patterson Bueno
    KDB Rashford Kulu Martinelli Andreas
    Haaland Darwin Wilson*

    A: James > Shaw/Gabriel
    B: Wilson > Mitro/Nketiah
    C: Both for -4

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      A because Andreas could return points against Southampton if Wilson is missing again.

      1. Under my Cucurella
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thanskt Banskt! Do you prefer Shaw or Gabriel?

        1. banskt
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          For that team, I prefer Gabriel as there are no other Arsenal defenders.

  18. goosebery
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Does anybody know when Gakpo will show up as an option for transferring

    1. RedLightning
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Not till after the transfer window opens and he gets his work permit. So possibly available for GW19.

  19. banskt
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Kepa / Ward
    Trippier, Cancelo, White / Patterson, James**
    Almiron, Rashford, Martinelli, KdB / Andreas
    Haaland (c), Kane, Martial
    1.2m in the bank

    option 1) James ➝
    A. Botman (2.6m itb -- upgrade Martial to Darwin next week)
    B. Shaw (2.2m itb -- can't use for any meaningful upgrade)
    C. Robertson (0.2m itb)
    D. Gabriel (blocks third Arsenal slot)

    option 2) Martial [not happy with his gametime] ➝
    A. Mitrovic
    B. Nketiah

    1. Lav
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I like the Robbo and Shaw for you. Your team is great with those moves.

      I am in big big trouble after trying to be clever..

      Bazunu, Ward
      Cancelo, Trippier, James, Patterson, Bueno
      KDB, Kulu, Rashford, Odegaard, Andreas
      Haaland, Darwin, Wilson

      1. banskt
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks mate. I do think Robertson is a good move and I could be early on that train -- it may be difficult (money wise) for others to move to Robertson.

  20. Lav
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Who are your favorite Reece James replacements?

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Botman, Shaw, Robertson and Gabriel are my favorites, but don't know who to bring in. See above.

      1. The Parrot
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        I'll add thiago Silva and cucu to this. But that's your lot.

        1. banskt
          • 12 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          Thiago may be, but not Cucurella. He didn't inspire confidence on the pitch and I doubt he will get enough time on the pitch for meaning fantasy points.

      2. Lav
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Replied. My team is in big trouble, no way of getting Robbo easy either

        1. The Parrot
          • 4 Years
          3 years, 2 months ago

          Tbf. Who knows about Liverpool.

    2. Gudjohnsen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      No one obvious

      I tried to be clever and went with Schar so if you like points don't go there

  21. The Parrot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    What about James + KDB to Botman and Salah

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I wouldn't take a hit for Salah. Liverpool very inconsistent at the moment and KdB has a double gameweek coming up.

  22. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Sell recee james for who?
    Cucurella or matip?

    1. The Parrot
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Who do want long term. Short term is the same risk

      1. Letsgo!
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Probably cucu

  23. The Parrot
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    From a poker pov, is it better to wait a week on Salah or just assume he's back and sell KDB

    1. OptimusBlack
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Wait and keep KDB

      1. The Parrot
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thank you. Surely more data needed before assumption of Liverpool back

      2. The Parrot
        • 4 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Just can't help feeling this is the wave to ride. Feel less aggressive than usual

  24. OptimusBlack
    • 12 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    For only next GW would double with Arsenal defense v.s Brigton
    Ramsdale & White
    Yaaay
    Nope

    1. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Im thinking of benching ars defence vs Brighton

      1. OptimusBlack
        • 12 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        I am thinking to sell Ramsdale to Kepa

  25. Gandalf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Any reason to go for Schar over Botman or just save the cash?

  26. Samsonite
    • 4 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    If no Kepa, would you go Chelsea def or Newcastle double up as a James replacement?

    1. Lav
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Newcastle. Chelsea maybe have 1 more cs in them, then we meet City. We also looked awful last 60'

  27. Lav
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    I am in big big trouble here and could use some help. Should I be taking a -4??

    Bazunu Ward
    Cancelo Trippier James* Patterson Bueno
    KDB Kulu Rashford Odegaard Andreas
    Haaland Darwin Wilson

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I wouldn't take a hit. You have a very strong team. It is just unfortunate that Kulu, Darwin, Cancelo and Wilson did not return points. For all of them, I suggest to hold one more week.

      Save your FT and play Bueno this week. You will get more flexibility with 2FT next week.

      1. Lav
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks mate, might do so. Making me feel better…

  28. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    How do u think of tim ream as an option?

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Not for me.

  29. Our Tiny Windows
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Thoughts on keeping Foden?

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Depends on other options but think Foden going to continue to be rotation risk

    2. Pep's Money Laundry
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      I previously owned him for one of his hauls which was then followed up with weeks and weeks of misery, then one further return.

      The first thing I did during the unlimited transfer phase was to do Foden to Odegaard and I feel so much better for it I'll never go anywhere near Foden again when there are better options elsewhere with no headache

    3. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      If you transfer him out then who can we laugh at? Mine -1pt bench boost isn’t going to fill the gap for long. Keep him.

  30. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 2 months ago

    Goals Scored
    Halland - 20
    Chelsea - 19

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 2 months ago

      Halland from Holland?