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We’ve got a £4.0m goalkeeper who we hope will start in the medium term. The same with a £4.5m forward. Several £4.0m defenders will make their teams’ starting XIs in Gameweek 1.

But what about the last Fantasy Premier League (FPL) bargain bin: the £4.5m midfielders?

It’s slim pickings at the cheap end of the midfield scale but one or two names have emerged from the 65-strong group in pre-season.

We assess them all here.

£4.5M MIDFIELDERS – PRE-SEASON GAME-TIME

Thanks to our Pre-Season Minutes Tracker, we can look at the minutes racked up – or lack thereof – by the £4.5m midfielders.

As we did in yesterday’s £4.0m defenders piece, we have to insert a caveat here.

Line-up information wasn’t available for a small number of friendlies (ie those played behind closed doors and kept quiet by the clubs involved), so the true number for some of the names below may be slightly different.

All that said, here are the leading names for (known) pre-season game-time:



POTTS + KING THE STAND-OUTS?

midfielders £4.5m

In the words of Tyrion Lannister: “If you want nailed £4.5m starters, you’ve come to the wrong place”.

Two of the early hopes are Fulham’s Josh King (£4.5m) and West Ham United’s Freddie Potts (£4.5m).

Central midfielder Potts started the last three West Ham friendlies to suggest he may line up in the middle of the park in Gameweek 1.

Graham Potter has shown plenty of faith in youth over the years. He did so most recently with left-back Ollie Scarles (£4.5m) in 2024/25.

You do wonder how long Potts will stay in the side if there is a bad performance or two, however. Tomas Soucek (£6.0m), Edson Alvarez (£5.0m) and Guido Rodriguez (£5.0m) were all on the bench on Saturday and will have designs on a central midfield slot.

As for King, he started all three of the Fulham friendlies in which line-up information was available (there were at least three other warm-up games when it wasn’t). He has earned plaudits, too.

He even started alongside one of his positional rivals for the number 10 role, Emile Smith Rowe (£6.0m), in two of them. Smith Rowe was on the left.

King bagged two goals in pre-season, underscoring the extra attacking threat he’ll bring compared to Potts.

With Andreas Pereira (£5.5m), Alex Iwobi (£6.5m), Harry Wilson (£5.5m), Adama Traore (£5.5m) and Ryan Sessegnon (£5.5m) all competition in the attacking midfield positions (eg Sessesgnon, Iwobi or Traore could start out wide with Smith Rowe coming infield), there are of course no medium-term game-time guarantees.

THE REST

Lewis Miley (£4.5m) got more minutes than any other £4.5m midfielder this summer. With Sean Longstaff (£5.0m) gone and Joe Willock (£5.0m) sidelined, Miley is next in line in central midfield at Newcastle United should any of the three who usually start in the middle of the park pick up an injury. Expect reinforcements to arrive, however.

With Justin Kluivert (£7.0m) struggling with injury, there’s a chance we could see Bournemouth’s Hamed Traore (£4.5m) fill in in the number 10 role against Liverpool. Andoni Iraola split his squad across two friendlies at the weekend, so no clues there, but Traore did at least start two of the three matches in the Summer Series. Longer term, of course, Kluivert will return.

We’re down to the dregs already, so here’s a brief round-up of the 61 other £4.5m option:

£4.0m midfieldersClubNotes
Lokonga, KabiaARSWay down the pecking order in central midfield and out wide respectively and didn’t feature at all in pre-season. Lokonga has been loaned out in each of the last three campaigns.
Broggio, Jimoh-Aloba, Dendoncker, YoungAVLThree rookies and a senior, Dendoncker, who is surplus to requirements. Attacking midfielder Jimoh-Aloba got by far the most pre-season minutes of any of them and with Villa shorter on numbers than they were last season, he could even be on the bench in Gameweek 1.
Sadi, Silcott-Dewbury, Winterburn, FaivreBOUWinterburn and Faivre – who was loaned out last season – were bit-part players in the Summer Series, with the other two youngsters even more peripheral in pre-season. Given the current unavailability of Messrs Cook and Christie in central midfield, Winterburn could feature off the bench this weekend.
Donovan, Konak, Maghoma, Peart-HarrisBREFour young prospects, three of whom (all bar Maghoma) have been around the summer’s three first-team friendlies, albeit without starting any of them. Peart-Harris has actually been coming on up front, too. None of them got off the bench in the final warm-up game, however.
Knight, Mazilu, MoranBHAAll of these are some way off first-team contention. Moran featured a fair bit in the warm-up games but, crucially, was with the reserve side when Fabian Hurzeler split his squad across two friendlies on the final weekend of pre-season.
Tresor, Banel, Adewumi, RamseyBURRamsey is FPL’s most-owned £4.5m midfielder and is one to watch if he can work his way back into Scott Parker’s plans after a long spell out: he missed almost the entirety of last season with a knee injury. Tresor barely played at all in 2024/25 in mysterious circumstances (injury, illness, other?), while Banel didn’t play once in the league after signing in January. All three have featured in pre-season but none of them were involved in the final two first-team kickabouts of the summer, which looked very Gameweek 1-y in terms of personnel.
Santos, EssugoCHEBack-ups to Messrs Caicedo, Enzo, James and Lavia in central midfield.
Devenny, Agbinone, Ahamada, Rak-Sakyi, Franca, Rodney, UmehCRYFranca (injured) and Rak-Sakyi (never been able to make the leap from promising youngster to first-teamer) may be the more attacking of this young lot but Devenny has the better game-time prospects. He featured off the bench in the Community Shield and will likely get minutes as a sub this season – he was brought on 19 times in 2024/25.
Heath, Ebere, Bates, ArmstrongEVEEven with Everton’s thin (but slowly expanding) squad, Armstrong is the only one with any senior prospects. Even then, the arrival of Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall pushes him further down the list in midfield and a loan move could beckon.
Godo, ReedFULReed has fallen down the central midfield pecking order over the last year or two, while Godo is similarly down the list out wide.
GyabiLEESurplus to requirements and has been linked to Cardiff.
Bajcetic, McConnell, NyoniLIVYoung prospects with very little chance of starting a Premier League game. Nyoni got minutes at both centre-half and in central midfield in pre-season but is down the pecking order in both positions, while Bajcetic is working his way back from injury and potentially on his way out.
Collyer, Fitzgerald, Fletcher, Kone, MoorhouseMUNThis young lot were pushed nearer the first-team squad towards the end of last season, when Ruben Amorim was protecting his big guns for Europe. Collyer is the closest to the senior set-up but is still well down the pecking order in central midfield.
KuolNEWHas never made the grade since signing three years ago and has been loaned out twice.
Da Silva Moreira, StamenicNFOMoreira made only two sub apps last season, while Stamenic was loaned out. There’s been a slow dribble of minutes in pre-season but nothing to suggest they’ll be threatening the starting XI.
Ba, Browne, H Jones, Ekwah, Matete, TriantisSUNPlenty of minutes for Jones, Browne and Triantis in pre-season, with Jones operating at left-back amid the injury crisis in defence – until Reinildo arrived. Ultimately, though, they’re second-string players, as shown by their involvement in the ‘reserve’ team when Regis Le Bris split his squad across two friendlies last weekend.
OlusesiTOTYoung midfielder who barely featured in pre-season and who won’t be anywhere near a Spurs starting XI.
Earthy, Irving, OrfordWHUCan Earthy emulate Potts and get a chance under Potter? The West Ham boss reportedly wants Earthy, who is currently injured, to stay around the first team squad this season, so that’s one to monitor. Irving is no rookie at 25 and made only one start in the whole of 2024/25, while Orford looks set to be loaned out.
Chirewa, Edozie, GonzalezWOLGonzalez is rehabbing from a long-term injury, while Edozie is some way from the first-team picture. Chirewa got two half-hour run-outs in pre-season and was an unused sub in the final friendly of the summer, so could be involved in the Gameweek 1 matchday squad.

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  1. royals forever
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Which combo do you prefer for the few first GWs of the season (possible FH in GW4)

    a) Tarkowski VdV Anderson Wirtz Evanilson
    b) Williams Andersen Stach Gapko Watkins

    Any ideas would be welcomed

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 12 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      A

    2. The Tonberry
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      A

  2. Dynamic Duos
    • 12 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    VDV or Diouf?

    1. Bobby Digital
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      VdV better opening fixtures, but Diouf a lot more exciting to own.

  3. mattyb09
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Trying to find an extra 0.5 to go from King to KDH...

    Does Tarkowski outscore VVD over the first 4 weeks?

    1. Dynamic Duos
      • 12 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Who else do you have in def?

      1. mattyb09
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        VVD Neco Diouf Dorgu Reinildo

        1. Dynamic Duos
          • 12 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          Yeah I would do it

    2. g40steve
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Don’t see CS for Pool too open.

    3. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      you would expect so

  4. g40steve
    • 8 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    First time in years this games is wide open

    1. martynteresa
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Why do you say that.
      My 1st time playing

      1. keefy59
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        So many big signings for many clubs .
        Some new to the league .
        The rest transferred in from other Premier League clubs .
        We can't be sure how they perform at their new clubs.
        Plus a big price gap between Salah & Haaland and the other midfielders & forwards .

  5. DCSpurs
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    RIght!

    Kelleher/Dubravka
    N.Williams, Konsa, Van de Ven
    Fernandes Salah Odegaard Palmer Kudus
    J.Pedro Watkins

    Rodon Esteve Guiu

    1. iFash@FPL
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Check on the fitness of both your goalies.

  6. Deulofail
    • 10 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    King is currently my GW1 BB midfielder (with early WC). As I posted on the last article:

    I just watched the most recent Fulham highlights and on another day, King could have had 2A 1G. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJzTH76MsU0

    My only concern is the fixture [compared to KDH and P.M.Sarr], but Brighton are not exactly tight at the back.

    1. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      These are my options for GW1 only

      A) P.M.Sarr + Rodon/Reinildo
      B) KDH + Rodon/Reinildo
      C) King + AWB

      Leaning towards C, but need to weigh up the doubts over King's minutes and fixture

      1. fantasyfog
        • 11 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Why AWB, choose another 4.5 imo, even diouf should be better if it's west ham you're set on

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          He plays Sunderland. Is there a better 4.5 for GW1 besides Diouf?

          1. fantasyfog
            • 11 Years
            11 months, 8 days ago

            No, just Diouf, personally I'd go for him

            1. Deulofail
              • 10 Years
              11 months, 8 days ago

              I have him already, but don't want to bias people against AWB by announcing it!

              1. Deulofail
                • 10 Years
                11 months, 8 days ago

                I'll take your answer to be C! 😉

    2. martynteresa
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Why would King be starting this season or GW1 specifically

      1. Deulofail
        • 10 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        "As for King, he started all three of the Fulham friendlies in which line-up information was available (there were at least three other warm-up games when it wasn’t). He has earned plaudits, too.

        He even started alongside one of his positional rivals for the number 10 role, Emile Smith Rowe (£6.0m), in two of them. Smith Rowe was on the left.

        King bagged two goals in pre-season, underscoring the extra attacking threat he’ll bring compared to Potts."

        - this article

        Maybe they will get a new signing to kick him out, but seems good for GW1

  7. ae
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Finding it harder than ever to pick a team this year...

    Pickford (Dubravka)
    Gabriel, VVD, Walker (Moreno, Hoever)
    Salah, Palmer, Zubimendi, Xhaka (Ramsey)
    Gyokeres, Watkins, Bowen

    100 on the nose. Any thoughts?

    1. fantasyfog
      • 11 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Gabriel, no pre season, VVD, pool defense is new may need a little time to bed in, Keeper great, if Everton don't start slowly again, love your from 3 and palmer salah

      1. ae
        • 9 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Fair points, appreciate the feedback

  8. Deulofail
    • 10 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Skonto Wrongo! Just a correction: In the table, it says "£4.0m midfielders" instead of "£4.5m midfielders"

    1. Skonto Rigga
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      So it does! I've put it rigg-ht.

  9. martynteresa
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Why do Villa defenders have almost zero DC points for last season

    1. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Villa utilize a high defensive line, aiming to win the ball back in midfield and launch quick counterattacks.

    2. Revival
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Also defenders really need 90 minutes to get DC points, if Digne is constantly replaced by Maatsen on 70 minutes he ain't hitting the threshold.

      1. martynteresa
        11 months, 8 days ago

        I was thinking about Konsa

        1. Revival
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          plays 90 and Villa have nice opening fixtures so is still a good pick

        2. theshazly
          • 3 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          Konsa is good for CS not for Defcons due to their fixtures till GW7 or 8

  10. Dynamic Duos
    • 12 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Too much Forest?

    Sels, Murillo, Williams

    Get Sanchez and Munoz or just one or none ?

    1. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Not too much, but I wouldn't go for Williams unless WCing early-sh in case a replacement/competition comes in

      1. Dynamic Duos
        • 12 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Get Lacroix?

        1. Deulofail
          • 10 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          Seems a good long-term bet

  11. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Any reason everyone with Salah instead of Haaland?
    Thought that Haaland looked better in preseason while Salah continued to be poor as he was during the run in?

    1. fantasyfog
      • 11 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Fear factor, it's one of the 2, and either could smash it

    2. Ruinenlust
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Haaland is finnish

      1. fantasyfog
        • 11 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        He's a finnisher

        1. el polako
          • 9 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          Pukki was both.

      2. Revival
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Haaland was born in Leeds

        1. JBG
          • 8 Years
          11 months, 8 days ago

          Leeds, Finnishland

    3. teddy.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Salah's GW1 record:

      17/18: 11pts
      18/19: 8pts
      19/20: 12pts
      20/21: 20pts
      21/22: 17pts
      22/23: 12pts
      23/24: 8pts
      24/25: 14pts

      25/26: ?

      1. Jaws
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Rub it in, Teddy!

    4. Conners
      • 7 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      I'm starting with Haaland over Salah.

      I don't like Liverpool's fixtures much at all, with the exception of GW4 when I intend to use the first FH.

      As far as captaincy is concerned, I'll have Haaland, Palmer, Watkins and Gyokeres to cover that 😉

  12. Ruinenlust
    • 8 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Murillo, Milenkovic or Neco?

    1. 2008 Antony
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Probably Milenkovic due to goal threat.

  13. AC Pilkington
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Reijnders or Anderson?

    1. martynteresa
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Reijnders

    2. el polako
      • 9 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      First can be exciting pick but comes with a risk of Pep’s special.

      Second is a boring, safe pick for pensioners and insurance agents.

      1. martynteresa
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Yeah, my granny has got Anderson in her team

    3. Feanor
      • 17 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Rudolph

  14. 2008 Antony
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Anderson or Minteh? Am struggling to decide my pick for the budget midfield spot.

  15. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Bowen reijnders
    Or brunoF guiu?

    1. iFash@FPL
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      B & R

  16. AC Pilkington
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Thoughts on this BB1 strategy (FH2 and WC4) so no long term picks:

    Sanchez • Verbruggen
    Porro • N Williams • VVD • AWB • Gudmundson
    Salah • Palmer • Kudus • Minteh • Reijnders
    Watkins • J Pedro • Fulkgrug

  17. DagheMunegu
    • 5 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    What do you guys think ?

    Sanchez
    VDV Munoz Williams
    Salah Palmer Wirtz Bruno Pape Sarr
    Watkins Larsen

    Dubravka Andersen Guiu Rodon

    1. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      I like it.

  18. Emiliano Sala
    • 10 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Mancity team doesn’t look strong to me
    Rejinders is the stand out treansfer
    Everyone seem pretty average

    1. 2008 Antony
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Cherki is quality as well

  19. DavvaMC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 5 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Still not sure on VDV. My current defense is below. Worth downgrading one of the 4.5's to a 4M defender?

    Sels
    Van De Ven / Williams / Ait-Nouri / Richards / Gudmundsson

    So I can upgrade Williams to Munoz or VDV to another 5M defender?

    1. The Tonberry
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      VDV is fine and rotates well with Richards at that 4.5 price point.

      Spurs have a good opening run of fixtures and he can always be benched in the tougher games

      1. DavvaMC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 5 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Thanks

  20. Feanor
    • 17 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Better 5th mid/3rd fwd combo

    A) Dewsbury-Hall and Fulkrug

    B) Kudus and Guiu

    1. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      A.

  21. Silecro
    • 8 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Good to go?

    Sels
    Munoz, Neco, Van de Ven
    Salah, Palmer, Wirtz, Minteh
    Evanilson, Watkins, Mateta

    Dubravka, De Cuyper, Konsa, King

    1. One for All
      • 7 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Looks good nice balance

  22. martynteresa
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Fullkrugs a good call. He will end up with same assists and goals as Bowen and 2m cheaper. Maybe more goals cos probably on pens

    1. Letsgo!
      • 9 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Hes not on pen lol

    2. 2008 Antony
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Paqueta will be on pens

    3. Pumpkinhead
      • 11 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      I disagree. I don't think Fullkrug will even come close to Bowen in points + I'd much rather the proven asset. I get the hype as he's played well in preseason but this is a 32 year old striker who has started 6 games in the prem.

  23. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Cucurella, vvd or saliba?

    1. The Tonberry
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      The one with the frizzy hair

  24. Billy Whizz
    • 3 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Hiya. Does anyone see any downside on playing BB in week 1? My current draft is

    Sels Dubravka
    Frimpong, De Cuyper, VDV, Mings, Diouf
    Salah Gakpo Saka Rice Mitoma
    Watkins J Pedro Beto

    Your thoughts would be really appreciated

    1. bitm2007
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Only that the money spent on Beto & a third 4.5m D could have been used to strengthen the starting 11.

      1. bitm2007
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        What scores more over the coming GWs ?

        Salah (c), Mitoma, and a bench boost this GW

        or

        Salah (TC), & Bruno (or Writz)

      2. Billy Whizz
        • 3 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Thanks. Didn’t think the starting 11 was that bad but take your point

    2. The Tonberry
      • 2 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Mings, Frimpong, De Cuyper, and Beto could all be benched and because it's GW1, we don't know for sure who will start.

      Would prefer to use BB after GW1 when we have a clearer idea on who is starting and who is performing

      1. Billy Whizz
        • 3 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Get you! Thanks

      2. iFash@FPL
        • 2 Years
        11 months, 8 days ago

        Why will De Cuyper be benched? Who for?

  25. keefy59
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    The answer to the topic question is
    Just buy KDH @ £5M
    Put your £4.5m & £4m players in defence & goal .
    Spend the rest of the funds on your attack .
    I don't see the point in having a £4.5m unlikely starting or scoring striker.
    When you can get a decent defender for the same price .

    1. Jaws
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Starting to suspect you're on his payroll

  26. One for All
    • 7 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    A)

    Jose Sa
    Anderson
    Bowen, Strand Larsen

    B)

    Sels
    Mitoma
    Fullkrug, Wood

    A or B guys?

    Thanks

    1. 2008 Antony
      11 months, 8 days ago

      B

  27. kysersosa
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    Thoughts on draft number 81

    Kelleher (assuming fit)
    Cucurella, Milenkovic, Williams
    (S)alah, Palmer, Bruno, KDH, Rejinders
    Watkins, Gyokeres

    Dubravka, Rondon,

    1. kysersosa
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Guiu, Hartman

  28. dshv
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    1. Cucurella and Rogers (triple chelsea and double villa)
    2. Milinkovic and Gakpo (double nottingham and pool)

    1. DavvaMC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      1.

  29. tuvok
    • 8 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    If Neale ever leaves to create his own site that isn’t ad-ridden, it’s just pure insights like this, you’ll be finished FF scout!

    1. tuvok
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Pure insights + game of thrones references

    2. Deulofail
      • 10 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      I’ll lock in a forever-price membership immediately!

  30. flashcheeks
    • 9 Years
    11 months, 8 days ago

    BB GW1

    Sels, Dubs
    Frimpong, RAN, Konsa, Diouf, Reinildo
    Palmer, Wirtz, Gakpo, Reijnders, Anderson
    Haaland, Gyokeres, Beto

    Any improvements?

    1. G Banger
      • 8 Years
      11 months, 8 days ago

      Not far off my team on the next page. Like your defence more than mine.